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Guy Chapman? He's just zis Guy, you know? More about me

Thank you to everybody for messages of support, and to JoshuaZ for stepping up to the plate. I have started to write what happened at User:JzG/Laura. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible. Just zis Guy you know? 19:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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Wikibreak

I'm moving house, don't expect an answer before Monday :-) Just zis Guy you know? 22:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Good luck :-) Stephen B Streater 19:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

re:afds

Yea, usually I do redirect unless it is under and AFD because the community might decide to keep it or not to redirect it at all. I usually don't like to close AFDs early, especially if I'm the only one who has voted. Dinosaur puppy 00:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

You can if you like, though, I won't object. Just zis Guy you know? 06:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Diana Irey

A new user (MRMKJason (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) has taken it upon himself to remove your semi-protection, and say it wasn't controversial. MRMKJason (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is probably the IP that has been hitting it, both focus on only one article. There are two sources from the political spectrum offered that it is a big deal. C56C 04:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

MRMKJason has been involved with that article on-and-off for a very long time; his involvement predated both yours and mine. Before you ever started trying to inject a pro-Democrat POV in the Irey article, I was struggling against him over wording that I regard as pro-Republican. And, since you have attacked three of the articles on which I work (and made reference to the other two (on Madge Oberholtzer and on D. C. Stephenson) in lodging a bogus complaint), you are plainly lying when you claim that I edit only one. —12.72.119.224 23:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

"I have a dream ..."

Note that MarkGallagher does this every so often. I try to do it, too. See also Misplaced Pages:AfD Patrol. Uncle G 09:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Here are two that you can help with:

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Croft No. 5
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hot Rod Surf

Please double-check my reasoning that it is not a sound application of our verifiability policy (given Aladin (AfD discussion), Jamie Kane (AfD discussion), and many other past examples) to take a band's own web site at face value and not to look for sources other than what a band says about itself, and that it is not an application of our verifiability policy at all to accept as a source a book that is not only an autobiography but that hasn't even been published. Uncle G 10:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Evolutionary musicology merger

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Musilanguage

I'm happy to do the merger, by the way. Uncle G 10:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually...

...I probably would, haha. Yes, I disagree with the reasoning and your snow close onn the silly Backstreet thing (at least stop linking the thing, sheesh, heh), and I actually think that it might have been the second AfD pertaining to this meme, and that the first one was under a different name, but I can't find it. Also, with Learn about Easter, I'm pretty sure term papers aren't speedyable yet. Either way, do as you must. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a question of what is better for the editor and the encyclopaedia: a week of people poking fun at their article, or quietly deleting it. On the other hand, I am a wicked rouge admin... Just zis Guy you know? 17:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Chris Robertson article

Tyro nominated Chris Robertson for deletion and it was then speedy userfied by you (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chris Robertson). I was the orignial creator of the Chris Robertson article - and the article I wrote was about the sqaush player Chris Robertson, a former professional player who was once the world junior champion and ranked No. 3 in the world. I suspect that what happened is that Urbanaddict then changed the article to one about a different Chris Robertson (who may well be himself). I've now recreated the Chris Robertson article in a similar format to when I orginally wrote it. I think it should stay as the squash player is, in my opinion, encyclopedicly notable. But the page may need monitoring to stop Urbanaddict tinkering with it. Zaxem 03:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:There is no deadline

I am proposing a merging with this article and WP:GREAT due to the similarity in content. Agree? Please reply on my talk page.

RFA thanks

Redirects

Is there any way to speedy the school and state redirects at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 August 19? CaliEd 21:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I applied a little rouge. It came as no surprise to find that this user's other work includes creating a disparaging category just for Michael Moore, and work on Hyles-Anderson College. Just zis Guy you know? 22:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I made the above redirects, but I never made any "disparaging category just for Michael Moore". Quit making things up about me. You really appear to be acting like a bully. What does Hyles-Anderson College have to do with my redirects? And why do you bring it up? I notice that you have made many edits to that article.

You have also deleted other edits of mine without giving any explanation. --Kalmia 06:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

OIC, so you made up a disparaging category and purely by coincidence put only Michael Moore in it. That makes all the difference... Just zis Guy you know? 17:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You may call it a "disparaging category", but it was really factual whether you liked it or not. I guess you think this is a disparaging article. And it wasn't "just" for Michael Moore. I put many others in there including Jerry Falwell, Dennis Hastert, King Henry VIII, Walter_Hudson and William Howard Taft. Michael Moore wasn't even one of the first to be added, but I guess that is the only one you could read. Why don't you use your admin. tools to go back and look it up. Log is here. --Kalmia 19:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

And what about Category:Overweight people? And what was the reliable secondary source for Moore being obese? Just zis Guy you know? 07:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I made Category:Overweight people then figured that Category:Obese people would be a better category, so I made that one and left the other alone. As for sources, I googled for a list and put some people in there and left it for others to finish. --Kalmia 19:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA message

		My RfA video message
		Stephen B Streater 08:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 11:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Bowser

Remember the bad Bowser move you made a few days ago?? Please note that the Nintendo character, not the tanker truck, is the primary meaning. Georgia guy 13:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

False. The fuel tanker meaning predates the Nintendo character by several decades and is probably the predominant meaning worldwide, whatever Nintendo fans may think. Bowser currently redirects to the dab page which is fine. Just zis Guy you know? 07:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol. --kingboyk 08:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

I just came across the Arbcom case concerning ParalelUni and I would like to offer you my support. Comments like the ones he made have no place in Misplaced Pages, or in real life and I hope his ban will be endorsed by the Arbcom. Anyway, I hope this won't stop you from editing. If you ever need any help to get through a rough patch let me know. I'd be happy to share my recent Esperanza-ness with you. - Mgm| 08:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Countries

What are these two countries?? Georgia guy 17:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Irony

The irony is that if our thousands of investors knew how much time I spent here, I'd probably get the sack. Stephen B Streater 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:o) Just zis Guy you know? 18:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

bolt-free fitting?

Hi. If you're triaging your messages, put this one on the bottom of the pile. I was revising the cage nut article and the phrase "Although most modern rack-mount servers have bolt-free fitting", which first appeared in your revision of 23:09, 14 March 2006, caught my attention. I have never seen, or before now even heard of, any such servers. Before editing it I wanted to check with you and see why you think something is commonplace that I've never heard of. Presumably it has to do with our working in different parts of the business an ocean away from each other, but I'm curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xela (talk • contribs) 04:40, August 30, 2006 (UTC)

Compaq, Dell and IBM all now supply snap-in rack mount rails which require no bolts for at least some products in their range. Some which do require bolts have the threads attached to the rails. I find that when I build racks these days the only things which require cagenuts are switches and UPS. Just zis Guy you know? 10:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

While those are certainly three major manufacturers, I think you'll agree that "most" overstates the case. I'll change the page to say "some". And if you happen to come across a web page with a good picture of one of these boltless rail kits, I'd appreciate a pointer. I'm curious to see one.--Alex 03:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer pages

Hey; thanks plenty for filling the editprotected on the disclaimer; if you could do the same for the risk, medical, legal and content I'd appreciate it quite much (also remember to repoint the header template and remove the first colon from the category upon each copy; take a glance back at my original post if you forget exactly what they're supposed to be). Thanks again. ~ PseudoSudo 13:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, I see; you made the change, just lost track of which page was which. Better. ~ PseudoSudo 13:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Last bits! Category in general; category in risk; kill extra newline just under {{Disclaimer-header}} in risk. Should leave them good to go. ~ PseudoSudo 16:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ees feex. Just zis Guy you know? 16:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

You'rethebestthanks! ~ PseudoSudo 16:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Cent

Please don't mess like that. You may think it's okay but I think you're just being cute. Aqua should display as a light blue or cyan tint. There's no reason for this standard color to cause you physical pain; if that's the case, I think you should avoid the risk and surf with colors overridden entirely. I'd be more tolerant of your bashing my hard work if you didn't have an excessively cute sig; if your complaint is genuine I think you can select a tint more pleasing to your eye. Please do not rm the functional backgrounds. John Reid 17:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

John, it hurt my eyes, literally caused physical pain. Who asked for coloured backgrounds? Not me. Where's the consensus for that? Who defines them as "functional" backgrounds? The new tint is better, BTW, but even so, where is the backing for this change? Just zis Guy you know? 18:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't go on like this. It's very rude. You've invested nothing in the effort; it's in poor taste to come in whinging. You can't possibly be sincere. I'm trying very hard not to be rude myself in return and I'm sure I haven't got much patience left. This is a serious tool for a serious purpose. Don't try to justify yourself; just let it go and so will I. Move along, please; nothing to see here. John Reid 04:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Please remain civil and assume good faith. You made a change to a template which is very widely used, it caused me a problem, and now I'm asking some simple questions: where was the debate? what of accessibility issues? This is perfectly reasonable. I have "invested" a massive amount of time and effort in the project, and I am as entitled as anyone to have a view, to express an opinion or to ask a question. Just zis Guy you know? 08:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Mongo Arb

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO

Generally once a case is opened, statement by the involved parties stay on the main page and comments by uninvolved parties go on the talk page. Do you consider yourself "involved"? If not, you should probably move your statement. Thatcher131 (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm about to stuff some evidence in. As a party to the ED deletion and reviews, and one who has tolerably civil relations with both Jeff and Mongo, I wish to participate. This has not been a problem in the past for me, but I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Just zis Guy you know? 18:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

You can be involved if you want to. I was just checking. Thatcher131 (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Yes, my problem here is that a couple of people I respect - MONGO and Jeff - appear toi eb engaging in a schoolyard brawl where at least one has a conflict of interest, and I'm concerned that Jeff may end up censured as a result. I do not think this would be a good result for the project. Just zis Guy you know? 18:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Why did you move Bowser?

Bowser (Nintendo), bowser

There was a debate, and a consensus in favor of moving to Bowser already. Why should we have to go through a new consensus because you decided that the previous one was invalid? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Because the previous "consensus" seems to have been between Nintendo fans and other Nintendo fans, and because the term bowser is the generic term for mobile tankers, the local term for fuel pumps in Australia and New Zealand, and is the main meaning of the word in dictionaries and treeware encyclopaedias, with around a century of usage to back it up. I said all this already. Having bowser as a dab page is the obvious answer, which is what we do for Hoover. Just zis Guy you know? 08:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I forgot, Nintendo fans' opinions are of no worth. And will you stop using a dictionary entry? The dictionary covers NO FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WHATSOEVER. That is a horrible argument that holds no weight, and is essentially saying that being real is more important than being more deserving of the main article title.

Now, see - apparently, it is not agreed that it is the "right thing to do". Yes, I know, it's just Nintendo fans, and they're less worthy of being Wikipedians than Almighty You, but hey, it's always possible that you might stop thinking that you own Misplaced Pages. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not that Nintendo fans' opinions are of no worth, it's more that you are completely ignoring the established usage in favour of a neologistic one which is hardly a surprise given that all the discussion thus far apears to have been on Nintendo-related pages, there has been precious little input from anyone else. Having bowser as a dab page is a perfectly reasonable solution. I'm not insisting on the century-old term being at bowser, so I fail to see why you are insisting on the Nintendo usage being there, especially since I have fixed not only the links but also the links and double redirects which were broken by the move last year. Please do go back and read Steel's comments. Just zis Guy you know? 08:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This type of discussion comes up frequently when people with a particular narrow area of interest meet up on the relevant Misplaced Pages article. Lots of people agree with JzG's decision on this one. This encyclopaedia is written in a timeless manner. So consider some time in the future - Nintendo characters will have been long forgotten, but the more general meaning will still be in use. Stephen B Streater 08:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Correct. And ask the average person on the street - not the technophile average we have on Misplaced Pages - and they won't give you "nintendo" as the meaning of Bowser. Indeed, I think having a dab page there is actually generous, as far as I'm concerned the word has a primary meaning which should be in that slot - and it's nothing to do with Nintendo! --kingboyk 08:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Even if Nintendo is not forgotten in time, I suggest that historical perspective will not elevate the arch-enemy of the Mario brothers to the status of an everyday household word, which bowser is in Australia, with mainstream news reports like "Are Australian drivers being ripped off at the bowser?". But the most compelling arguemnt for me is that the term is a genericised trademark, like hoover or armco. Just zis Guy you know? 08:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe, JUST maybe, they, like the rest of the people with the exception of a minority of people, DISAGREE ON THE MATTER. Christ, can't it be that they have their own opinions, instead of them being a bunch of stupid Nintendo fans voting to move "kuz dey luv bowser"? Just because you got to the vote late does not mean you can say that it doesn't count. Are you going to do that with every article that you're upset you didn't get to speak your mind in? Wait for people who get a consensus, and leave it at Bowser where it was in the first place.

And maybe - JUST MAYBE - we think that because the video game character is the most notable and recognizable usage of the word Bowser? You argue that being more recognizable in Australia as something other than Bowser is more important than the fact that across the world, Bowser is a video game character, not some gas crap in Australia.

And to you two guys - how the Hell is video gaming a narror interest? Christ, again with you people! At what point does being real overpower the fact that the fictional one is more notable?! Christ! It's not even the debate, it's you being an ass and deciding a consensus is invalid because you happen to think you're the God of Misplaced Pages. You can't freaking say you disagree with a keep result in an AfD and delete it, so why the Hell can you decide that the consensus is invalid because you weren't a part of it?!

Cliff's notes: You're an elitist ass, and the consensus was valid, and you should be blocked for not even bothering to have a discussion before you decided that your way was the only way. I wish Misplaced Pages would have less of you people.- A Link to the Past (talk)

Lol, it's not wise to rant and rave like this on an admin's talk page - see WP:CIVIL. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. We don't have to respect "votes", only arguments and the resultant consensus. As Guy pointed out to you, the "vote" was held amongst editors of the Nintendo page so you're not a representative sample. You now have 3 Wikipedians with no special interest telling you they disagree. If you still maintain that the Nintendo article should be at Bowser you can take it to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves where the wider community can discuss it. On that note, please refrain from cussing or there will indeed be a block issued - and it will be you my friend that gets it. --kingboyk 09:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This is true. But once again we have the asserted "fact" that the Nintendo usage is more notable. No credible evidence has yet been advanced to support that. Much evidence has been advanced to contradict it. Just zis Guy you know? 09:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, Mario goes straight to the plumber. I was kind of surprised that Bowser went straight to the Koopa, but yeah. --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to believe that if you asked a random sample of people what Mario meant they's either say "don't know" or reference the video game. If you asked the same random sample what bowser meant, I think you'd not find anything like as many who would reference the character in the video games. It's possible to have heard of Mario and never played it; that would include in a lot of parents, for example. To have heard of individual characters without having played the game is less likely. Also, there is no dictionary definition of Mario (other than as a proper noun). So: I think we agree. Where's the bunting? :-) Just zis Guy you know? 10:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hah! But yeah, pretty much. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I like to think I'm on the technical side of average, and "Mario" to me is either an Italian name or a computer game. Bowser is a tank or tanker of some description. HTH! ;) BTW, what's bunting? --kingboyk 11:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

A string of small flags used to decorate streets and large structures at times of particular celebration, m'lud. Do we have an article on bunting? Aha! I perceive that we do. Just zis Guy you know? 11:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed that per the lead of the article, the character's name is actually King Bowser Koopa. Shouldn't the article live there? --kingboyk 11:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Haven't a clue, mate. If it should then I will do the needful, it will be easy now all links are consistent. Just zis Guy you know? 11:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm pissed off at the group, Just zis Guy. It is nothing personal. I do not have anything against you. It's your group of people, elitists. I bring up the fact that Mario is the biggest icon in gaming and highly notable all around the world (and by extension Bowser, also known as King Koopa), and you tell me that's not good enough, and your only arguments are awful. You argue that because Bowser appears in the dictionary as the real-life usages and not the fictional character, that they're more notable, which is more an argument that being real is more important than being more notable. And then the fact that it's likely more notable in Australia, yet you fail to understand that the Mario franchise is huge in Australia, as it is in Europe, North America, Asia, etc. While you have select notability and being real, I have worldwide notability. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be blunt but you haven't established much notability at all. You've made some very broad, sweeping comments about the Mario series in general, but (amongst other things), you haven't said anything about how that applies to Bowser. By association or extension isn't good enough, I'm afraid. Mario may well be a well known name, but that doesn't automatically mean that one of his antagonists is equally as well known, which is what you're saying. -- Steel 19:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be blunt, but pointing out that Bowser isn't in the dictionary is an even worse argument. Bowser appears at the end of world 1 (consisting of four levels) in SMB, the best selling game ever made. In all likelyhood, people will have noticed him. Your arguments are that he doesn't appear in the dictionary (an argument that attacks his fictional status, not his notability) and that in certain regions, Bowser is known as gas pumps or something. But Mario is a huge franchise in Asia, Europe, North America and Australia. The majority of people who have played a Mario game likely will have heard of King Koopa or Bowser, but people in NA won't know what a bowser is in reference to a gas pump, neither will people in the EU. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

We're not talking about the Mario series, we're talking about one of many characters within it. You say that Bowser is very well known, but a Google search says otherwise. The fuel pump thing is used in everyday language, and not just in Australia.
One thing I would like to emphasise is that we're not suggesting that the fuel pump term is given the Bowser page. We're suggesting that Bowser is made a disambiguation, where each of the many uses of the word are given an entry. You are acting as though we're trying to remove all mention of the Mario character from the entire encyclopedia. -- Steel 19:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not even that the debate is going on. You know why I am so pissed? It's because Just zis Guy is such an asshole by looking at a consensus and deciding it's invalid because he couldn't input his opinion! I've already dealt with another case of assholery where someone decided to ignore a keep result in an AfD and turned it into a redirect. I am so sick of people like you (not Steel) deciding that they have the right to ignore all rules and be completely disrespectful to people who disagree with them. I'm not showing you any respect because you've chosen to not respect others, and you thusly do not deserve any in return.

Additionally, Bowser (Nintendo) was at Bowser in the first place. Why the Hell should we have to jump through hoops to change it back? If you want to make a change, then you should freaking discuss it, not decide that Nintendo fans are too stupid to acknowledge that Bowser is the name given to a gas pump. The fact of the matter is that no only do more people probably know of Bowser or King Koopa as the video game character based on the fact that most people likely do not even know much about the gas pipes in the first place, but I assure you that there are more people who are going to search for Bowser looking for the video game character on Misplaced Pages, not search for a gas pump or some aviation thing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

And you, JzG, you are such a hypocrite. you decide that the move of Bowser (Nintendo) to Bowser is invalid based on the fact that you and your buddies couldn't chime in, but you then turn around and say that there cannot be an overturning of an AfD despite there being a good reason to do so, based on the fact that I was not able to present an argument, an argument which convinved a few people who voted delete to then vote keep. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Guy, please note that I have blocked A Link to the Past (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for 24 hours. I gave a gentle warning to refrain from incivility and maintain a collegiate atmosphere at penalty of such a block, to which he responded with incivility on my talk page. Please note also that I've temporarily protected the two pages in question from moves. --kingboyk 08:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:BLP concerns

Hello JzG, recalling how you were relative to the Lance Armstrong article I was wondering if you could take a look at this BLP noticeboard discussion? Thanks. (→Netscott) 01:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Moot, since it's now archived. You did piss SlimVirgin off, though, which is probably not too smart. Just zis Guy you know? 08:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Potters House

That's fine, but what about Feldspar and his harrasment, is there somewhere I can get help? Please also state exactly whaere I am off, because feldspar accused me of manipulating the deletion vote and also said I was a liar. Potters house 14:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that you have annoyed Antaeus by your part in the incessant recreation of what is largely a vanity article on Johnny Lee Clary, and by your argufying, and by your rather strong and evident biases, but the comment which caught my eye was actually your unsigned comment to User:Ohconfucius. Not the first time you have used ad-hominem in a deletion debate, either. Absent good and credible evidence of bad faith (of which you present none), you must take all comments - delete or keep - at face value. Just zis Guy you know? 14:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't speak Latin. I am not sure what you are trying to say. I guess that it means you are having a go at me because I added to someones post? I didn't know you couldn't do that. Feldspar was adding at the bottom of many posts, so I just thought that I could?

Ok I just noticed this -

This one seems like a deletion bot see: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=Ohconfucius Also - why the POV? Johnny's Ego has nothing to do with it. It is not a case of whether you like the man or not but an examination of fact - Is he notable? Yes! Why put delete if you really mean merge? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Potters house (talk • contribs)

Sorry, I'm going to trim and interleave here, as there are two separate threads to this.

You are correct in thinking that I warned you because you accused another editor of being a deletion-bot. Ad-hominem is a sufficiently common expression that its use does not assume familiarity with Latin (I have no Latin myself either). So: please don't do that, whatever your personal issues with any other editor. Just zis Guy you know? 15:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

He called me a liar basically and claimed that I would go as far as decieving people to get votes. I am a Christian and aspiring to be a minister, this persons Job is to discredit ministers! I am not making this up! See Rick Ross They make 2500 -5000 dollars each time a person leaves a cult and needs "deprograming."

Sorry if the about seems off base but this guy has been on my back for months now and no one cares. I try to mediate but he refuses. Because I can't speak the Wiki language yet he wins over me and gets everyone off side. Although you have stated that it is POV etc and against wiki policy, did you even look at the evidence I provided? Is there such a thing as wiki stalking or wiki bullying? Do you even care? Potters house 15:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well now. If I didn't care, why would I be warning you about making baseless accusations against another editor? If you have an issue with Antaeus, the correct response is an RfC, citing evidence (in diff form). Reference to your aspiraitons for ministry will not, I'm afraid, cut much ice: we have had bad experiences of people who come here on a Mission. Just zis Guy you know? 15:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Nick, you claim that you have not been lying to people here on Misplaced Pages. You also just claimed that you had some sort of knowledge that I had a "Job ... to discredit ministers!" Now, can you please explain what evidence you have of this alleged job of mine? Can you please spell out for us what proof you had in hand before you launched that smear on my reputation, asserting it as fact? Because if you in fact have no evidence whatsoever that this is the case, but asserted this claim anyways, that is in fact what we call a lie. And you are, indeed, a liar. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I got you mixed up with Tilman who is basically a ross crony like yourself, (be honest). I was wrong like you also were wrong about me and that I was Kev. Shake hands and make up? Potters house 09:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

International Council for Accrediting Alternate and Theological Studies

Crazy nut is talking about his lawyer and adding uncited things about this accreditation mill. And while this person is trying to pass off this accreditation mill as real, see what he did at the criticism of alternative medicine.