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*'''Leaning towards removal''' / indifference to keeping it. Frankly I don't see a need to provide a number on the street for an office such as this. Should we also provide the floor number? We don't provide the address for the ] or the ]. Why? because it's just not interesting. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC) *'''Leaning towards removal''' / indifference to keeping it. Frankly I don't see a need to provide a number on the street for an office such as this. Should we also provide the floor number? We don't provide the address for the ] or the ]. Why? because it's just not interesting. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, I wrote the article ] so I can affirmatively say the reason I didn't provide the address is because I didn't know it. No other reason. ] (]) 21:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC) ::Actually, I wrote the article ] so I can affirmatively say the reason I didn't provide the address is because I didn't know it. No other reason. ] (]) 21:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Maybe that's an indication of how important it was. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


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RFC: Should location of transition office be provided in "location" section of infobox?

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The infobox template has a "location" field. We have typically used this to put the street address of an organization (see Museum of Modern Art, Blair House, Brookings Institution,) etc. The street address of the transition committee, 1717 Pennsylvania Avenue (which is in the same building as the Clinton transition committee), has been published by Politico and the Washington Post, among others. Should we include it here or should we make an exception to custom to remove it or make it generic to refer only to a general area? An IP editor representing themselves to be a proxy of the transition committee has requested it be removed due to "security concerns." LavaBaron (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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  • Keep Street Address as per convention. If certain articles are granted exceptions to our SOP it becomes difficult to track. There can't be legitimate security concerns with posting the address to Misplaced Pages as long as the address is still listed on the websites of the Washington Post, Politico, etc. Besides, this is located on what is probably one of the most heavily defended and fortified intersections in the world. Any attack on the transition office would have to come from a national armed force, and I'm sure the the PLA's 15th Airborne Corps don't use WP for recce or intel. LavaBaron (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep Street Address - I agree entirely with LavaBaron. Besides, the street address is already a matter of public record - Misplaced Pages does not publish new information; it republishes knowledge already in the public eye. If someone was truly serious about posing a threat to the transition offices, there are plenty of other places where they could find the address. As a matter of policy, I think WP:OWNERSHIP is quite clear when it says "a person or an organization that is the subject of an article does not own the article, and has no right to dictate what the article may say". Specto73 (talk) 21:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Remove street address. Misplaced Pages practice has always been to remove the street address at the request of the organization, should they for whatever reason want to discourage visitors, the most notorious example being the Wikimedia Foundation article itself. ‑ Iridescent 21:27, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Good point. Just one note of clarification - the IP editor in question is not a proved representative of the Trump transition committee. Their IP address geolocates to Iowa. If there is an unambiguous request, and there is precedent, I have no objection. However, there should be a formal request that unambiguously originates with the organization itself, is filed via OTRS ticket for verifiability, and posted here as an administrator ruling. Otherwise we're dealing with things happening in the shadows and smoke-filled backrooms which is antithetical to WP. LavaBaron (talk) 21:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I wrote the article Planned presidential transition of Mitt Romney so I can affirmatively say the reason I didn't provide the address is because I didn't know it. No other reason. LavaBaron (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Maybe that's an indication of how important it was. -- zzuuzz 21:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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