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Mywayyy

Hi Aldux, the Greek geo articles were recently unprotected again, but Mywayyy hasn't given up and keeps reverting twice or three times daily. Would you consider re-protecting? Please see User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Mywayyy for the details to-date. -- As for something different, the posting above is by a new user who was trying to make some changes to Macedonians (ethnic group) but was reverted, by Telex and others. It might be good if someone kept an eye on it to make sure he understands the rules of NPOV, but also that he doesn't get bitten. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Slavery

Is it really? I thought I recognized the style...Bridesmill 13:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

There are very little doubts IMO.--Aldux 15:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

New user

Hello. The contributions of a "new" user SemiProtected appear to be directed at you. Perhaps you want to take a look. Jonathunder 17:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Indo-Greek kingdom

Hi Aldux, please await PHG's reply to the debate before reverting the image. Regards Vastu 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

In reponse to your revert comment, there is indeed no reason it should remian - and until the debate is resolved, no reason the original should either - yet you have favoured keeping that. Vastu 11:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The awnser is very simple - PHG's map has successfully passed through a Featured article nomination, your's has not, and generally speaking PHG is the main author of several featured articles. So don't be surprised I tend to value PHG's opinion particularly highly.--Aldux 12:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

So have you read the article and decided for yourself, or are you mearly going on this 'reputation', which im sure a person like PHG neither desires or requires, as they obiously consider scholarship paramount to dogma. I shouldnt have to remind you that wikipedia is open to anyone - you are engaging in vandalism of someone's legitimate edit, which has not yet been disproven in any argument. Indeed, I am still awaiting PHG's reply - I am unsure whether he/she plans to reply at all, as they are usually punctual - until then, your reversion amounts to vandalism. I am beggining to suspect ulterior motives here, i.e. Hellenic bias, else why did you revert the image, and not allow PHG to decide? Vastu 18:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You will be glad to know that the issue has almost been resolved, and by the latest comment from PHG, will likely end with the general outline of the latest map, with some minor alterations (thinkening of the campaign line. Vastu 10:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Albanians in the Republic

Per request, regards. I'll be watching it. Perhaps apply for mediation? - FrancisTyers · 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Now what republic would that ^---^ be? Ha ha. Thanks Al, for the note. I responded accordingly. Feel free to LMTO! :NikoSilver: 00:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Eluchil404's RfA

Thank you for taking the time to express an opinion in my recent request for adminship. I have withdrawn my self-nomination because there seemed little prospect for further productive discussion or the formation of a consensus to promote. Many commentators offered constructive critisism that I will use to improve myself as a user. Others suggested that the nomination was premature and that a re-nom in a few months would be more likely to gain consensus. You suggested that I did not yet have enough experience for adminship. If you have the time, I would be curious as to what level of edits or time on wikipedia you consider sufficient. As there is a wide range of opinion on these matters I want to do my best to gauge the rough consensus on these issues. Ciao! Eluchil404 20:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you so much for voting in my recent RFA. It passed on the relatively narrow vote of 38/8/8. It was also one of the least-participated-in RFA nominations in several months, so pat yourself on the back, and join the party on your left, but first, take your cookie! NOTE: I can't code HTML to save my life. I copied this from Misza13. I guess I should write him a thank you note as well. Cookies sold separately. Batteries not included. Offer not valid with other coupons. May contain peanuts or chicken. Keep out of the reach of small children, may present a choking hazard to children under the age of 3. Do not take with alcohol. This notice has a dark background and therefore may be eaten by a grue at any time. The receiver of this message, hereafter referred to as "Pudding Head" relinquishes all rights and abilities to file a lawsuit or any other litigious activities. RyanGerbil10, Jimbo Wales, and the states of Georgia, North Dakota and Wisconsin are not liable for any lost or stolen items or damage from errant shopping carts.

Thank you so much! RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 04:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Chad-Sudan sign an accord...again

Title says it all. I dont have time to put up a page... but might I suggest 2006 Chad-Sudan Accord? Tchadienne 17:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

N'Djamena Accord sounds good - as a title, not in practical terms. From what I've read the accord does not differ at all from the last one so its significance is highly questionable. Regarding Janjaweed, it seems as though the Sudanese government provides money and arms to the Janjaweed, but their actual control and oversight over Janjaweed incursions is unknown and debatable. Janjaweed and the Sudanese Government have similar goals but have fought against each other, according to HRW's report, during this conflict. Tchadienne 22:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

my RfA

Request

Hi Aldux,

First off, congratulations on your successful RfA. :) It appears that Mywayyy is reverting articles again. Could you please protect Pharmakonisi, Gyali, Gavdos, Fourni Korseon, Arkoi, and Agathonisi? I doubt anons will normally go to those articles anyways. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 17:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. —Khoikhoi 18:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Asteraki

User:84.164.* are Asteraki in case you were wondering :) — see Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Asteraki. - FrancisTyers · 16:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Darn, I always confound Asteraki and Kamikazi, maybe because they're so similar ;-)--Aldux 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

inappropriate behavior

Your changing of someone else's comments on User:Jkelly's talk page is rude, and vandalism. Please don't do this again.--Vidkun 14:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Vidkun is quite mistaken. Aldux left a message on Jkelly's page and Vidkun Yabafh vandalized it — his first ever edit. Aldux merely undid the vandalism. Why he didn't block the vandal, I can't imagine. (I have now rectified that!) AnnH ♫ 14:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So, while we are in the midst of pointing out honest mistakes, you want to fix yours, up there?--Vidkun 14:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Vidkun, thanks for trying to keep my talk page from being abused. It is appreciated. Clearly you haven't met Aldux yet, so you wouldn't know that there is really no danger of vandalism from this account. Jkelly 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for not checking the history, Aldux.--Vidkun 14:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry Vidkun, nothing's happened :-)--Aldux 16:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

And thanks for correcting my error, Ann.--Aldux 16:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Iasson

If Iasson is a banned user, then the thing to do is to rollback every edit from a sockpuppet (even any good edits). It is annoying, especially when other editors who don't know the situation get worked up about it (this happens especially when rolling back messages to user talkpages). But it is the only way to enforce a ban, and it is also the only way to make sure that attempting to create new accounts and continue disrupting Misplaced Pages is not rewarding. I don't know who Iasson is, which suggests that it might make sense to make sure that you have a summary of the situation handy to link to and to ask more admins to help out. Welcome to adminship! Jkelly 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Getting blocked for enforcing policy is a danger (in fact, I've just gotten myself involved in a case of it -- see WP:AN/3RR and WP:AN/I). Just make sure that lots of other admins know what is going on so that someone clueless doesn't think that you're abusing admin tools in a content dispute or the like. Jkelly 16:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

With checkuser-confirmed socks of banned users, one should delete any articles that they created and are the only real contributor to. Just make sure that the deletion summary gives the reason. As for obvious, but not confirmed, socks, it is probably a good idea to bring up the matter at WP:AN for discussion and so that more people know what you're doing. Jkelly 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocking policy

Sure, if there are two sides which are just blindly reverting without any discussion on the talk page, even if they haven't violated the 3RR it would be fine to block them both for a few hours to calm down. At least get them to stop reverting while you try and calm the situation down. Of course, remember blocking is preventative rather than punative, so if you do block them, watch their talk pages, and point out that you will happily unblock them if they agree to stop reverting each other and start discussing things on the talk page. - FrancisTyers · 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind. Ciao--Aldux 23:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

My RfA and your vote

Hello Aldux, Thanks for participating in my RFA! Ultimately, no consensus was reached, but I still appreciate the fact that you showed up to add in your two cents. You can feel free to talk to me about it or add some advice on my improvement page. Sincerely, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me)

List of Chad-related topics

List of Chad-related topics. I think you're last edit to the WikiProject may not show up on the Chad-related topics page. From now on add the articles there. I'm not sure if thios kind of page is supposed to be listed somewhere... I just saw List of China-related topics and I tried to emulate. Tchadienne 13:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Another request

Hi Aldux, Could you please semi-protect Kos? Some anon keeps adding spam and I keep reverting it. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 17:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, would you mind helping me out with Bonaparte? He's trolling again? —Khoikhoi 18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again Aldux. :D I'll make sure to let you know. —Khoikhoi 19:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Gauthiot Falls

Thanks for adding the template. Tchadienne 20:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Please protected arcicle: Rapcore. User:Egr / 85.18.14.4 is vandal. Some users reverted edits by User:Egr / 85.18.14.4. Please protected arcicle and bloch this user and IP. LUCPOL 20:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol

Well, I guess it hasn't been that long—could you semi-protect the Artsakh article? The banned user Rovoam is editing again. —Khoikhoi 22:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Grazie! —Khoikhoi 22:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

*Sigh*

Sorry I keep asking you for help, but Bonaparte keeps trolling the Romanian county articles, deleting the Hungarian names. Could you semi-protect those pages? Thanks... —Khoikhoi 16:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I cannot thank you enough...if there is any favor you need from me, just let me know! —Khoikhoi 21:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Homosexuality in ancient civilizations

Why is it that you are one of those that support that rediculous myth that there was homosexuality in ancient Greece and Rome. Homosexuality was not commonplace back then and there is no credible evidence to suggest that it was. People such as yourself instead misinterpret greek literature in such a way as to support your rediculous theory. ~~66.53.98.122 5 August 2006

Sockpuppets

Could you please do something about permabanned User:LBakraceski's sockpuppet on Accession of Bulgaria to the European Union. He keeps inserting an unsourced POV fragment, and if he inserts it again, he'll have violated the 3RR. If you want proof that it's a sock, check the IP's contributions. He adds an interwiki to an article that he worked on at fyromwiki by mk:User:LBakraceski. --Telex 15:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, User:125.244.186.2 just violated the 3RR at Macedonia. --Telex 16:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Dakar Accord

Earlier today I created the Dakar Accord. Unfortunately, I've had a bit of a tussle with a few rogue users and my account is blocked. Could you move it to Dakar accord (lowercase "a")? Thanks. P.S. I'd appreciate it if you could unblock my account, though I realize this might upset the admin(s) who blocked me. Tchadienne

Satu Mare County

Hi, I saw that you protected the page because of Bonaparte's actions. The only problem is that with your move exactly that version was protected what Criztu and Bonaparte like to see - the one without the Hungarian name. I don't know whether you noticed that Criztu launched a campaign against Hungarian geographical names in Transylvania, and this debate was part of that campaign. I would like to kindly ask you to restore the name "Szatmár megye" in the lead. Zello 21:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I dont remove the name by which hungarians refer to an administrative division of ROmania, i remove it from the lead section and moved it to the paragraph dealing with Demographics of that administrative division, where mention of a hungarian minority Criztu 15:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Tchadienne

The 72-hour block is a result of repeated use of anonymous and new (i.e. sockpuppet) accounts to evade the original 24-hour block; the bloc was reset twice before it was extended to 72h. The block evasion includes repeating the tendentious edit which got him blocked in the first place, as well as some pretty blatant trolling. I don't think there is likely to be much support for reducing the block. Just zis Guy you know? 22:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Tchadienne's block

I understand Tchadienne's many good edits, and have no issue with those. However, sockpuppeting to evade the block is specifically against policy, and we shouldn't just ignore it by letting the block lapse. When Tchadienne actually stops evading the block (without us having to range block his/her entire ISP), I'll be happy to consider undoing the block. Until then, I think a cooldown is necessary. Ral315 (talk) 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: I have no problem with having Tchadienne's block removed (or reduced). However, since I didn't place the range block personally, I'd prefer you go to JzG and advocate for the removal of the range block as well as the block on Tchadienne. I'll put in my two cents on his talk page as well. Ral315 (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

88.218.47.184

88.218.47.184 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) We don't normally block an IP indefinitely. At the very least, you could "block anon only". No reply needed, just pointing this out. Cheers. --kingboyk 14:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, thanks again for helping out. Actually, Mywayyy (under the .47.184 IP) was just engaged in what might become a halfwayyy reasonable discussion about how to overcome this silly situation, so now you semiprotected the articles you might actually unblock the IP so we can continue there. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Apart from greek island articles, other articles have also suffered similar attacks: Trabzon, Malatya, Izmir (just to list some of them...). i think that semiprotection for these articles is also required... --Hectorian 14:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

As a follow up and for your interest, I would guess that User:88.218.47.184 is the same as 88.224.7.113 (talk · contribs). I think that trigger-happy user might need to be familiarised with certain procedures (if only they adopted a proper username), otherwise we may find our selves runnin round every city in the east Mediterranean to rvt his/her enthusiasm. Politis 15:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hm, looks more like his mirror-image. But you're certainly right about running round every city in the east Mediterranean. Not that I would mind doing that in actual practice if WP would cover my travelling costs... :-) We should get a centralised discussion and then a final strawpoll some time, to settle this stupid thing once and for all. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't act as I would with Mywayyy's socks, as he isn't a sock and has only just started; but I'll keep an eye on the articles in question.--Aldux 15:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Settle this thing once and for all? Well, everything is possible, though it might be quicker to walk round the east Med than finalize some issues... :-) Politis 15:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems like about four years is the historical benchmark :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

What i meant with my previous comment is that during the past 2 days, various new registered users (User:Mehter, User:Zeytin, User:Manicotti) and even more IPs are vandalizing articles like Trabzon and Izmir. ...and although in the case of Thasos and Kalymnos the articles were immediately reverted and semiprotected, the admins are surprisingly missing from Malatya, Conflict in south-eastern Turkey, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922), Ottoman Empire, etc. by checking the contributions, noone should doubt that they are sockpuppets of (probably) banned users. comments like this one are personal attacks and nothing more. i did my best to rv the anon in the greek islands' articles, and i am in danger of violating the WP:3RR, although i do nothing more than reverting vandalism. if i do the same in the articles of turkey's cities, will i get blocked? so far only User:Alex Bakharev has protected one article... either the admins will take the actions required, or everytime the greek name is removed from a turkish city, i will remove the turkish name from a greek island (hope that noone will be hypocritic enough to make any comment about it...). PS: this comment is not against Aldux (since he seems to had been offline during that time), but i had to talk about it to an admin... --Hectorian 15:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right, those three editors look like they need to be watched. Did you notice Manicotti's edit you pointed out had a strange technical error omitting all the Unicode characters? Either that person is using a very very out-of-date browser, or it's a sign of an open proxy? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I did notice that, but i have no idea what that may be... btw, i left him/her a notice . when i said that i see nothing more than question marks on the page he/she suddenly stopped reverting (or maybe this happened cause of somethi ng else, who knows...). the point is that i still see those articles not semiprotected. anyway, i will be watching, hoping that they will be, when the vandals come back... --Hectorian 16:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The reason is very simple: it's extremely simple to detect Mywayyy, as all his IP's use 88.218.xxxx. Don't think that I revert and semiprotect out a love for Turkish names; if it was for me, Turkish mame should be in the lead only in Western Thrace, Rhodes and Kos, as only there can you find Turks, and I have difficulties understanding why we put all these Turkish mames, except for some sort of diplomatic reciprocity. You say they are socks of banned users; but I can't use my admin powers on simple suspects, and I have very little knowledge of editors active in Turkey related articles, so I can't use the tags I use for Mywayyy, i.e.socks of banned users. If you can identify a sock and the sockpuppetter with certainty, that's another story, I'll be happy to act. I'm read to help you as a simple editor, as I said, especially for keeping Greek names; for this you can always ask my help. As for being offline, if I had been online it wouldn't have changed much, because I'll tell you a secret ;-), I don't have any Turkey-related articles on my watchlist, only ancient anatolian ones.--Aldux 16:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

As i said before, i am not saying anything against u. believe me, not even once i thought that u discriminated greek articles in favour of the turkish ones. as for Mywayyy i had no idea that he is so easy to be detected, but i also know that articles can be protected when they are vandalized by IPs (or just registered users), regardless if they are sockpuppets or not. thanks for your help, i am sure i will need it;). Ciao --Hectorian 16:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

That IP is based in Ankara (this is no insinuation against our learned Turkish contributors, we all have our share of unhelpfull editors). But how can you tell the IP of a user who has a name, i.e. how can you tell that Mywayyy's IP is 88.218 etc...? (ps. should'nt that be Myyywaaay; what would Sinatra make of it :-?) Politis 16:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's an easy one; Mywayyy's has often said, while entering with 88.218.xxxxx accounts, that he was Mywayyy, as is the case with 88.218.47.184 (talk · contribs); and obviously there's the contribution pattern, with his obsession against Turkish names. I also believe that the link between Mywayyy and 88.218.xxxx has been certified by checkuser. More important, until now, he has ALWAYS used for his IP's only 88.218.xxxx. This makes much easier identifying then, say, Bonaparte.--Aldux 16:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Aldux, this is the message that I wrote about the city names to admin Bastique - "if Khoikhoi wants to display the former names of the cities, he should do it in the history section. When he places it in the introduction section, it makes a messy look. In addition, he displays the modern day Greek name in the introduction section which would not be appropriate. Because, if we display all of the foreign names (French, Italian, Korean, etc.), can you imagine how the introduction will look like :D So, in case of displaying foreign names of the cities, it would be more appropriate to create new pages. And, put the link to it in the 'See also' section." - Aldux, the users Khoikhoi, Hectorian and their gang are Anti-Turkish. They have updated the Turkish pages with misleading, pseudo information (This is not related with the city names issue, but wanted to give heads-up). And, when another user comes to the page, corrects the information with NPOV or asks for reference, the edit war breaks up. And, they find an admin to protect the page and blame the other with vandalization. As Jimmy Wales stated in one of his emails, if a reference is not provided for the displayed information on a request, it should be removed aggressively. Jimmy's email So..let's get back to the city names issue. I am sorry, but you are the fooled one in this case. They played you a little game. Before you, they asked Bastique to get it protected. It is not protected and they came to you. Ding Ding Ding, you are the winner! ;) Btw, do not ask me to discuss with these Anti-Turkish people. There is no way to reach a common point with haters. The best solution for this issue will be to provide the above solution that I wrote to Bastique. Thanks. --Zeytin 02:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree I wont revert again unless a dispute resolution procedure starts. From my stance, I ll stick to whatever solution is finally presented. That is democracy after all. This should start immediately, let me know please. I believe this process should involve all the Greek islands of Eastern Aegean where this phenomenon is observed plus some cities such as Alexandroupoli, Serres, Kilkis etc. I would like to add a comment to Aldux. I dont think its proper, especially from an Admin to say things such as: 'Mywayyy should remain blocked cause he hasnt done a decent edit in his wikipedian life'. You should know better Aldux. And if you dont know let me tell you that i ve done edits (not so many by your standards but at least some..) regarding various topics and especially aviation topics since im an aerospace engineer and aviation is like my second nature.Mywayyy88.218.47.184 11:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, as I promised I'd advocate a lifting of his ban if he responded positively, I think we ought to give him a chance, and use the opportunity to set up a centralised discussion somewhere to solve the Greek and Turkish sides of the issue together. I'm also posting to FrancisTyers if you don't mind (as he first instigated the Mywayyy ban) - maybe the two of you could hammer out an arrangement, with whatever conditions on Mywayyy you see fit, and a plan to proceed for the dispute resolution? Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC). P.S.: There's also now some parallel discussion with Francis on my talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Aldux, the stuff you say about me, prove (apart from other things) that your judgement is not fair (the best word I can use). After the phrase Mywayyy should remain blocked because he hasnt contributed anything worthy in his entire wikipedian life' now you add a new shameful phase: ' considering his hate of anything related to Turkey'. Aldux, I dont know you and you certainly dont know me, but i can assure you I absolutely dont hate Turkey or any other country. If you find something bad I ve writen about Turkey show it to all of us. In the meantime maybe you should ask yourself why you hate ME so much and why you say things that are not correct and more important things you cant prove.Mywayyy88.218.41.233 15:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't hate you; I'm only considerably annoyed by all the time I have to lose keeping an eye on socks of banned users. As fo "anything worthy in his entire wikipedian life" that was too strong I recognize it, but I've been keeping an eye on you since you've been banned, and since then I haven't seen all these fantastic edits, that, I confirm, will be reverted mercilessly, because, as a veteran admin told me, the only way sockpuppetters cease vandalising is when they see all their edits reverted. The word "hate" was deliberately strong; but certainly you are biased on the issue of Greek-Turkey relations, and seem to see Turkey like Reagan saw USSR in the 1980s, i.e. "the Great Satan". But the point is you can make the most fantastic edits in the world, this doesn't count, because you cannot edit, and till know have shown no intention of respection the rules; even when you just said that, you violated them by removing Turkish names by Greek islands and editing other articles.--Aldux 16:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek/Turkish placenames

Just, Aldux, have in mind that in Alexandroupoli there is no muslim minority (not to mention no turkish) at all. the minority is concentrated in Komotini and Xanthi. the only reasons to have the turkish name in the first line are historical and the proximity to turkey. Remember this, please, when the discussion for the whole issue will begin... Ciao --Hectorian 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

U are right, muslims form about 7% of Evros Prefecture, and although i know that they live in villages northern of Alexandroupoli, i won't revert the article about the capital. the only valid reasons i see for the inclusion of the turkish name of the city are the 2 that i mentioned above. we'll see what the outcome of the discussion about it will be. for the moment, under Francis permission , i will rename and expand this:Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Islands in the Eastern Aegean). --Hectorian 15:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

JzG et cetera

His actions on my talkpage are blockable offenses any way you slice it. Tchadienne 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Unprotect my talkpage. Tchadienne 23:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

How am I supposed to archive my talkpage when it's protected? Blocking him is not necessary but he has no right to protect my page, alter my comments, or delete the comments of other users as his last 4 edits do. This is harassment. I expect you to take the most minimal of action. He had no right to block me in the first place. Tchadienne 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Alexander

OK, i did not know that it is a controversial topic (i've always known that he was born the night of the destruction of the Temple of Artemis). I did not not know that it was u who had reverted it when i firstly added it... otherwise i would had been more curious to at least ask u why. feel free to revert my edits. btw, who knows? maybe his tomb will be discovered some day, and this, along with more enigmas will be solved! Ciao and thanks for the info;-) --Hectorian 16:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Are you online right now? —Khoikhoi 02:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No, nothing right now. I'll let you know when I need help. —Khoikhoi 01:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser

It looks like you tried to file a checkuser case but you never created the subpage. Do you need some help? Thatcher131 (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sourcing

You are right in general, but for your reference, thats not always the case: Misplaced Pages:OR#Synthesis_of_published_material_serving_to_advance_a_position.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No no, I agree with your revert, but what bothered me is that the reason you have is "because it is sourced". My point is just because something is sourced it should not necessarily stay, it has to be coherently sourced as well, as the policy says.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Deletion, do you think you could delete User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece along with it's talk page if possible (it's no longer needed - all info is at Minorities in Greece). If I wait for the CSD team to get down to it with that backlog, it could take weeks, and Greek nationalists will hate me if I keep it in my userpage ;-) --Telex 12:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Deucalionite

Wouldn't it be better to have a different admin deal with Deucalionite? You have made substantive edits to the Arvanites page... --Macrakis 20:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, actually I concur with Macrakis here. No need to expose yourself to any later complaints about admin abuse. We can deal with it through a simple 3RR report if necessary, even if he should game the system in such a way as not to technically touch 3RR within 24h. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re. your question to Macrakis, apparently the blocking policy says that "sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in a content dispute". Whether that counts for cases where you've only previously reverted in order to stop disruption seems a bit unclear, I've seen it interpreted that way, but I've also seen some of the rouger admins get away with blocking nevertheless. Anyway, I've now done a regular 3RR report - actually he had broken the rule already. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Two questions

Just two requests: first, could you have a look at Talk:Arvanitic language#Requested move - there's been very little response, but if nobody objects within another day or two, maybe you could help us with the move? (Desired target has an edit history, otherwise I'd just be bold). Second, what shall we do about the Greek/Turkish names discussion? The discussion has died down, but no very clear consensus has yet been formulated. Maybe we should get someone to try and synthesise a proposal from the discussion and put it to a final straw-poll? I'm afraid I haven't got too much time myself right these days. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, if you want to do the move I'll take care of the double redirects. As for the discussion, I'll try and see about it later. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I've adapted the text accordingly and marked the poll as closed too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Ooops! I notice the talk page is still at Talk:Arvanitic language. Shouldn't that be moved too? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Gotse Delchev

Can you please erase the redirect Gotse Delchev so that Goce Delchev can be moved to it. Gotse Delchev seems to be the right transliteration according to Britannica: . Also see Romanization of Bulgarian. Thanks.   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Check out those searches: Goce vs Gotse. Just about the same, even if you dont eliminate wikipedia results. Is it because Gotse tends to bring more Bulgarian websites and Goce - Republican?   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Same thing for google scholar: ,   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

What I meant with "just about the same" is that the results dont change even if you include wikipedia mentions. Gotse is about 2.5 times more popular than Goce. Straw poll it shall be then.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Aldux. In a response to your message:
QUOTE: Comments like yours violate two fundamental principles of WP, that is WP:CIV and WP:NPA. You must understand this isn't a forum, and strict rules of civility must govern discussions

RE: I'm aware of that and I do apologize, but I really wonder why you don't point that out to these guys for example: Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia/Related_disputes. doesn't look much as an 'academic debate' to me, but rather as a drunk party (most of it). So don't blame me, as a naive rookie I 'learn' from what I see.... I thought that first of all those 'veteran' members are supposed to obey the rules and to be sort of role-model for the newcomers such as myself, right?!

QUOTE: Find good, reliable sources, possibly in English or French, if you wan't to be considered. As for giving importance to the positions of the Macedonians, do it; I've read that Hristo Tatarchev also wrote memoirs, it could be a useful source. And it's only an example.

RE:

1. I do agree with this, but first of all I suppose you have to 'practise what you preach'. Judging by some of your recent changes to the Greek Struggle for Macedonia by putting back some of the stuff that I removed as unveryfied, you haven't provided sources to justify your changes neither (for example: you still stick to the unveryfied claims that those greek armed groups 'fought the Turkish army', which the ideological 'father' of that greek struggle for macedonia germanos Karavangelis himself denies in his own book telling openly how well they've collaborated :)ok there were two accidental irrelevant skirmishes between them with 1-2 dead but the struggle itself was as i wrote primarily against VMRO, which was the only force completely dedicated to fight the ottoman authorities at that time (I mean Ilinden Uprising, The Krushevo republic, the bomb attacks in Thessaloniki and so on and so on,what more would one want? Even Karavangelis himself admits that VMRO were 'masters on the terrain' in his beginnings in Macedonia). You don't provide any record of any significant battle, operation, diversion etc. of the greek forces against the ottoman authorities in THAT particular conflict (except when Turks shot Pavlos melas by mistake being intentionally misinformed that he is Mitre the Vlah from Konomladi..well, if that can be called "struggle against the Ottomans")

2. Now this is quite questionable: First, what is actually a "good" and "reliable" source? In problematic case with topics such as Macedonia, where there is a pro-greek and pro-macedonian (fyrom) POV, do you really think that quoting lets say a british source will neceserily keep the article unbiased, because a third-party "neutral observer" was cited?

Also should all non-english or non-french sources be disregarded? Misplaced Pages says: QUOTE: However, do give references in other languages where appropriate. If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it.. BTW, in accordance to these rules, I have suggested some books and stuff as a veryfible source on the subject: HERE
But now another problem, some members have doubts whether it is reliable obviously because among other things the books are published in Skopje and thus there's a concern that the book may be biased. You can see the posted quote from a review of that book published on a Greek website. Why should sources published in Skopje always be dubious and questioned just because they r not in accordance with the greek pov and why should a review on some greek website be a good enough reason for suspicion? However, I also received questions concerning the academic credibility of the author, the sources used in the book which is of course OK, but scepticism towards the reliability of the book based on nationalistic prejudice and probably biased reviews? At the same time, the tourist map that i suggested as a source and which is published in Greece was not questioned :) Double standards?
Also,related to this subject, you mentioned Tatarchev from VMRO for example, actually I have the Memoirs of many of the VMRO leaders incl. him and I would gladly cite them, but all of them are published in Republic of Macedonia and not in english and thus their reliability may be again automatically questioned by the pro-greek and pro-bulgarian members.
For all these reasons in the particular case of my additions in the article Greek Struggle for Macedonia I've intentionally referenced a greek source with it's original greek title so I wouldn't be attacked by the pro-greek biased members for 'spreading "Skopjan propagandha". Cheers.--Vbb-sk-mk 05:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Faethon sock

Hi, am I right in thinking that this HarHar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is another Faethon sock? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Weird case, isn't it. Do you know the earlier history? I've seen some incarnations of the guy making pretty good edits at times. Why were they banned in the first place? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Bulgaria

It seems you removed too much information from the lead section of Bulgaria — you should have left the year 681. My {{fact}} was about whether it is the oldest in Europe. Any arguments against putting 681 there? As far as I know, that year is supported by most historians. --Cameltrader 14:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, at first I didn't notice that 681 was in the "History" section below (better worded there), so no information was lost. --Cameltrader 15:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, why do you keep vandalizing the history section of Bulgaria?!

Let me think: maybe because you are blatantly pov-pushing, violating two fundamental wikipolicies, WP:NPOV and WP:V? Stop violating these policies, and I won't have to revert your edits.--Aldux 10:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I hope you are happy now :) But please don't use the sourcing requirements to object against anything you don't like. Sources are not required for widely accepted general facts. Asking for sources for every statement shows really bad discussion culture.

Italian History Project

Hello, I see that you've made some edits on Italian history articles, and I'm currently starting an Italian History task force (no page yet) at the Military History WikiProject. We need five or so editors to pledge support before we can actually begin, and I was hoping you could join. The project may or may not include Roman history, post your opinion on this topic at the military history talk page, (link straight to it below), and won't necessarily focus on "military" history specifically, but will likely have to pick articles that have some relation to some war, for instance we could edit Giuseppe Garibaldi but it'd be a little harder to really collaborate on one like Giuseppe Mazzini. Anyways, if you have any questions post them on my talk page, or if you're ready to sign your support of the upcoming project, do so at the military history talk page. Thank you for any help or comments.-KingPenguin 00:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Ok, I hope you are happy now :)

I know you're busy with trolls and all, but...

Could you semi-protect Template:EU countries and candidates? Bonaparte keeps editing it, thanks. :) —Khoikhoi 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Grazie, I didn't know you were online. —Khoikhoi 10:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, there's a bit of a content dispute at Satu Mare and Oradea. Anonimu just broke the 3RR, but wasn't warned and therefore it doesn't count. Perhaps you could fully protect the pages? —Khoikhoi 10:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Also it appears Bonaparte has decided to join in on the fun... —Khoikhoi 10:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that helped. —Khoikhoi 10:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Gia sou!

Ha! I am so fed up with all those Italian tourists here, that I decided to greed you in Greek for a change! I know you are one of the greatest contributors of Macedon. The map included there, along with the adjacent text, could justify the first clause that needs citation in Macedonia (terminology)#In history. I saw the books of Borza and Hammond, but have no access to them. Can you please add the citation? Efharisto! :-) :NikoSilver: 14:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Grazie (ok, ok, nobody can ever get fed up with Italian, anyway!) :-) :NikoSilver: 15:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Grazie per il Barnstar. Sei molto generoso. Mi pare che non merito tutte quelle medaglie. Se avevo assegnato medaglie rispettive al tuo lavoro, la tua pagina sarrebe troppo lunga per WP! Συγχαρητήρια! :NikoSilver: 20:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ciao again. Do you have by any chance any reference for the Ancient Macedonians' height? I'm sure I've heard it before that they were tall. Also, since I know you contributed to the etymology section in the region article, could you also cite the unatested 'bahuvrili' hypothesis please? :NikoSilver: 08:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Homosexuality in ancient Greece and User:Cretanpride

Aldux, you may have already spent more time dealing with this than you wish, but I initiated a request for investigation into User:Cretanpride's editing a couple of days ago. No action has yet been taken. I think you're allowed to add your own comment if you wish. In addition to being a jerk, our sockpuppeteer is violating a clear consensus of editors in his edits, so admin action is definitely warranted. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Ellinas might not be a sock, but he meets the definition of a meatpuppet. Personally, as long as he behaves himself, I'm willing to have him stay; but it does look like he's already in violation of policy. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up about Cretanpride and his socks, Aldux. I feel pretty abashed that I was fooled, but I suppose you're right that the article benefited. Do you think that 48 hours is a sufficient block for Cretanpride? I'd be inclined to block him for longer, but maybe that's just my bruised ego talking. I don't want to do it myself, since I've now become involved in editing the article. What do you think would be the best forum to get a broader discussion of this — AN/I or some page dealing specifically with sockpuppeteers? Sometimes it seems like Misplaced Pages's bureaucracy is growing faster than I can keep track of it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether I trust my own judgment after being duped by Cretanpride, so I won't alter the block either. I do think it would be a good idea to get an outside admin's perspective on this, so I think I'll put something up at AN/I (unless you can think of a more appropriate place). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I've put a notice up at WP:AN/I#User:Cretanpride and Homosexuality in ancient Greece, asking for an outside view from another admin. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:History of Greece

Hi Aldux. Shall i rise some concerns on what is going on in that template? And perhaps about the article Ottoman Greece? I doubt if there is anyone who could say that Greece was not invaded and not occupied by the Ottomans... There are other examples as well. e.g. in History of Iraq u can see this along with this one. In History of Syria u can see this. I do not think it is historical to present it as if Greece was just an incorporated part of the Ottoman empire. since it was independent before (in the sense of the Byzantine Empire) and is independent after (in the sense Modern Greece), meanwhile it was occupied, right? --Hectorian 14:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Administrators

Hello :)

You may remember me, I'm the guy that asked you about the milestones template. I have another question. I'm sure this is all explained on some page on Misplaced Pages, but I can't seem to find it. What's the difference between a user and an administrator? Can anyone become an administrator? If so, what is the criteria for becoming an administrator, and who makes the decision? If you could provide me a link to where all of this is explained, or just give me a short explination yourself, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance,

--GOD OF JUSTICE 21:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ellinas and Cretanpride

Since I cannot log in I am obligated to write anonymously. There is a difference between using the same computer and being the same user. Cretanpride's IP addresses were blocked so he used my computer. We are not the same user. You should have been able to notice that, all the other users seem to have. Thanks.

Getica

Hi. Charmed. I vote for Getica. It is short, simple, and known by everyone interested. The others are good too. I don't have to say, but I will, redirects from all possible variations make life easier on the Misplaced Pages researcher. Later.Dave 11:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Write. There might be a few obscure Getica's around and I bet there is a modern rock band or some other modern use of the title. Ah yes, I do a search under Google and I find Getita Software, Getica Tour Guides, and who knows what I else there is to find. So, maybe Getica (Jordanes) would be the best. What do you think?Dave 00:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Romanians in Spain

I left the half a million people mention intact. It was already in the article. Instead removing it, you may consider adding {{fact}} in case the person who originally added this can comply. Regards, E Asterion 20:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

According to FEDROM – Federaţia Asociaţiilor Româneşti din Spania, the number of Romanians living in Spain is around 500,000 people. This tags well with the 100,000 people increase during year 2004 , when you consider that the quoted 312,099 figure was for mid/late 2005. Your thoughts? E Asterion 21:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Asterion for awnsering so late. Personally I'd oppose putting the FEDOM number in the box, because it is a partisan source (in the most obvious sense of the world). Also, when we have official data, the rule observed in the boxs is to almost always put only that; while the sourced claims should be elsewhere in the article, probably in a Romanian diaspora section. To repeat myself in the box census and other official data, but partisan sources can be mentioned as pov's. When there are no census obviously, the box has to be filled with what can found; possibly independent esteems.--Aldux 21:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I understand. I added the FEDOM figures as a footnote as for the USA entry, leaving only the 2006 padrón (local municipality census) numbers in the infobox. I hope this is OK, if not revert or edit out. Off to bed now. Cheers, E Asterion 21:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Just in case you hadn't noticed...

...I left you a couple of messages above in the #Gia sou! section...:NikoSilver: 21:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Al. I think I've found something. I'll post it there. Please comment.:NikoSilver: 20:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The Bulgarian

Hey man, I'm keeping an eye on that page, certainly there is some stuff that is clearly nonsense, but I'm at least impressed that it has "Citation needed!" next to it. It says it is a work in progress (isn't everything!) so I'll leave it for a couple of days then take another look. The principle problem is that he seems to be swaying over to representing the "Bulgarian view" as fact in some cases. Of course this can be fixed. Thanks for the heads up - FrancisTyers · 23:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Cretan socks

If Cretanpride is still using sockpuppets, I'd say a block of a week or even longer would be entirely appropriate. And if he tries to evade that block with more sockpuppets, I think it would be appropriate to lengthen the block (and, obviously, block any sockpuppet accounts or IPs indefinitely).

Just because I want to remain civil to him doesn't mean that I'd excuse further violations of policy on his part. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 13:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

And it turns out that he was using another sockpuppet. I've blocked him for a month, and put a note up at AN/I to allow anyone to comment in case they think it's excessive or based on a conflict of interest. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Northern Epirus

LOOOOL;)... apparently u are right! --Hectorian 02:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Your heritage... ;-)

Hi, do you, by any chance, "claim descent from the Ancient Romans"? If yes, follow this link to find out you were wrong... -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Really, in Tuscany we generally claim descent from the Etruscans... ;-)--Aldux 13:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hippias Minor translation

Hi, Aldux. You're very welcome. I just completed the translation, and would be grateful for your input. Nice to see how quickly the work was appreciated. I stupidly undertook the translation without noticing the sheer length of fr:Hippias mineur -- so it took much more brain power & time than expected. Going out now to get some brain lubricant. Cheers! --Storkk 18:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)