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==Orasis== ==Orasis==
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:* Agree. Don't think we've seen the last of this, though. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC) :* Agree. Don't think we've seen the last of this, though. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Arbitration enforcement action appeal by No More Mr Nice Guy

    Consensus is to grant the appeal. The restriction is lifted effective immediately. Seraphimblade 16:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Appealing user
    No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
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    Banned from WP:ARBPIA-related AE discussions, imposed at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive136#Nishidani, I can't find the log.
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    Statement by No More Mr Nice Guy

    It has been 3 years and this sanction was imposed for a one time incident on my otherwise completely clean record. It is not serving any preventative purpose per WP:BLOCKPREVENTATIVE at this point so can only be punitive.
    I tried to appeal directly to Sandstein here per the instructions at the top of this page.

    @The Wordsmith: I didn't have any particular participation in mind, to be honest. It's just that not only is this the only blot on my record, which I would like removed, I also got a little tired of people trying to use it against me, like here. It's been 3 years, this sanction can't possibly be serving a preventative purpose, if it even did to begin with. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    @Zscarpia: Thank you for illustrating the chilling effect this sanction has had on editors' willingness to complain about certain types of harassment. I didn't connect the two until now.

    Statement by Sandstein

    Please refer to my comments on my talk page linked to above. I haven't followed AE for some time now and leave it to more active admins to determine whether any grounds for granting this appeal exist. I haven't seen any so far.  Sandstein  05:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Kingsindian

    Surely a sanction imposed three years ago ought to be removed without any requirement to grovel. Compare WP:SO. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 12:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Nomoskedasticity

    Perhaps there's no need to grovel, but given the nature of the contribution(s) for which NMMNG's AE ban was imposed, it might help to know what sort of recent discussions NMMNG would have wanted to contribute to if he had been able. I'm not sure AE discussions are suffering from lack of input from highly-partisan editors, and it might well be worth looking for evidence that the nature of the proposed contributions would in fact be different from what we saw. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Sir Joseph

    I think this appeal should be granted. A 3 year ban from AE for a very weak reason is enough time served in my opinion. Looking at past AE actions, I can see many actions that should not have been brought and not sure why this one warranted a block. Regardless, even if it were 100% warranted and NMMNG was a horrible rotten person, it's been three years and it's time to give him a break. Sir Joseph 19:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Nishidani

    I would have preferred not to comment, but Four Deuces below more or less espouses NMMGG's endlessly repeated thesis that I am a Jew baiter. That has been exhaustively reviewed, and dismissed, and protesting the decision is not material to NMMGG's request, which I have no problem in endorsing. Modern legal process, since Cesare Beccaria has rightly buried the religious idea that punishment is eternal, and even permabans, as in my case, can be revoked. I would appreciate however that The Four Deuces read my evidential reply to the nonsense jerry-rigged in the original complaint. This is no place to rehearse it, but it was so unfocused that, NMMGG could claim as evidence of my having symptoms of that pathology things like:

    • Using the term "Chosen People" for Jews is part of an age old anti-Semitic canard,' when he knew, as everybody else knows, that many believe it to be

    the cornerstone of Judaism: the idea of bechira. We believe that we are an am hanivchar, a chosen people, an am segula, a treasured people. I believe collectivist statements like this are incorrect, since it is obvious that there is no such thing as an ideologically inclusive definition of ethnicity, meaning 'Jews/Arabs/Eskimos/Americans/Russians/Chinese/Catholics/shamans all think or do this or that' are hot air, vapidly empty propositions, diagnosed as a category mistake with perduring inciveness by Gilbert Ryle in his masterpiece, The Concept of Mind. For several years, NMMGG has repeated his conviction that wiki arbitrators are tone-deaf to anti-Semitic utterances, most recently here and here, and is keen to rally back users disenchanted with the place, I don't know whether to that end or not. Precisely because sanctions, however harsh, should have a use-by expiry date if evidence exists of an ability to return and participate positively in constructing Misplaced Pages, and because refusal to repeal this would probably only confirm the, I believe, parlously flawed conviction arbs are intrinsically 'anti-Zionist' and complicit with anti-Semitic people (like, in his view, myself), the appeal should be accepted.Nishidani (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Zscarpia

    Speaking as an editor whom No More Mr Nice Guy seems to be currently lining up for accusations of antisemitism , perhaps this is what he means by his current ban serving no useful purpose. (Apologies for the slightly tongue-in-cheek nature of this comment)     ←   ZScarpia   13:47, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by No More Mr Nice Guy

    The original ban does not seem to make any sense. No More Mr Nice Guy had complained about an editor for "Jew-baiting, trolling and soapboxing." In their first example, the editor referred to Jews as the "Chosen People." It was an ironic reference, since s/he was mocking the Jewish claim to Israel. He called the Jewish holiday Purim a "a double story of attempted and successful genocide." S/he makes many other allusions references to Nazi Germany when discussing Israel, thereby implying that what Israel does today is the same thing. While a comparison could be made between racial policies of Israel and Nazi Germany, they are only relevant in a talk page if there is a proposal to add them to an article. Otherwise they are merely intended to provoke other editors.

    I do not know if the edits were so objectionable they should have resulted in action by AE. But at least they were sufficiently inflammatory that a reasonable editor could complain about them.

    TFD (talk) 03:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Result of the appeal by No More Mr Nice Guy

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    • I guess? Never have I heard of someone desperate to get back into the fun of AE discussions. I suppose I'd be okay lifting this since it's been so long, but the filer hasn't indicated what they've learned/will do differently moving ahead. Filing AE requests vexatiously is affirmatively unhelpful. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Tentatively endorse. The weak justification for the initial sanction, coupled with a clean block log and no sign of troublemaking that I can see in the last 3 years, makes me lean heavily towards vacating the ban. Indefinite is not meant to mean permanent. However, before fully endorsing, I would like to hear what sort of participation, if any, No More Mr Nice Guy plans to engage in at AE if the sanction is lifted. The Wordsmith 18:29, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Endorse. I do sympathize with concerns about the motivation for this request but I also think it's valid to say it's just a poor thing to have hanging over one's head. We have ways of dealing with poor behavior if it occurs going forward. --Laser brain (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Endorse. The AE request that led to this sanction could be deemed as valid by uninvolved editors and the ban seems like a disproportionate ruling. --NeilN 15:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    SashiRolls

    SashiRolls topic banned from Jill Stein and related pages for six months. NW (Talk) 19:30, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Request concerning SashiRolls

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    Tryptofish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    1. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms#Discretionary Sanctions
    2. Also Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Genetically modified organisms
    3. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Discretionary sanctions (1932 cutoff)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    These edits are all at Jill Stein (clearly in scope for American politics):

    Violation of 1RR restriction on GMO content:

    1. I make this edit: August 31. SashiRolls reverts addition of a source: September 1, falsely claiming that the source does not contain the cited information. This is because the source is Physics Today, and a scientifically based publication undercuts the POV that what the community decided in WP:GMORFC about the scientific consensus is incorrect. Please note that the specific content is directly about the scientific consensus on the safety of eating GM food, which is exactly the topic of the RfC and the resulting DS.
    2. I restore the source: September 1. SashiRolls removes it a second time: September 1. In that same edit (lower down in the diff), he also reinserts a negative connotation about a journalist, that I had tried to correct as a WP:BLP issue: September 1.

    Against a background of repeated slow edit warring:

    August 31, August 31, August 31. The other editor was actually correct: .

    And POV-pushing:

    1. permalink Does not like a source, so claims that the Washington Post is not a WP:RS. Other editors near unanimous in rejecting the claim as patently false and WP:POINTy.
    2. Then goes on to edit war, to insert a disparaging "ref name" about the source: August 31, August 31, August 31, August 31.

    Continues WP:Battleground after this AE has opened, blames everyone except self:

    1. Opposition research: September 2, September 2, September 2.
    2. More edit warring: September 2, September 2.
    3. Resumes same edit war the next day, making 2 reverts per day to avoid 3RR but maintaining continuous slow edit war: September 3, September 3.
    4. Refactors other editors' talk page comments: September 3. Deflects blame: September 3.
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    August 27, August 30, (also September 1).
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    I leave it to the patrolling administrators to assess how much SashiRolls is self-aware about the issues here, how well TFD understands what was determined about DS for GMOs after such a very long struggle, and whether there is any truth to the silly claims that I have been disruptive at the Stein page. --Tryptofish (talk) 13:56, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Responding specifically to where TFD said: "While the closing adminstrator determined the consensus of the RfC and set discretionary sanctions, those sanctions were not for disgreeing with the determination of facts in the RfC. Ironically, Stein has not said that currently manufactured GMO food is unsafe." The issue at the page was about saying in Misplaced Pages's voice that the opposite of the RfC language is true; there is no objection to quoting Stein as saying the opposite. The page quotes Stein as saying that the existing science says what the community rejected at the RfC, and SashiRolls has opposed citing critics of Stein's statements. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    @Laser brain: Please note that I just added diffs of continued edit warring today, and weigh that in whether a warning will prove effective. Also, although I accept that, in terms of possible sanctions, AP2 is more central that GMO, please consider that GMORFC was intended to put an end to arguments, and without a clear statement now at AE, some editors will continue to argue that anything goes on pages other than the pages listed at the RfC. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    A warning will be fruitless, and ANI would be a drama-fest of arguing content. Either DS mean something, or let's shut AE down. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:18, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

    • Thank you, NW! But before this closes, please someone clarify that the "Pesticides and GMOs" section of Jill Stein, but no other part of the page, does indeed fall under DS regarding "GMOs and agricultural chemicals, broadly defined". --Tryptofish (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning SashiRolls

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    Statement by SashiRolls

    Given Snoogannsnoogans' invective laden and patently false accusations, I will ask until Monday at 17:00 to respond completely, as Snoogannsnoogans hasn't really understood that Tryptofish may well be making a larger WP:Point, not entirely involving me, by bringing me here. Snooganssnoogans first censored me on the 13 Aug, here. Between the 11 Aug and 16 July he made 16 reverts (all of other people). His first revert on the page was the 29th of June. His reverts are of two types: to delete content that he feels support a positive image of Stein, or to do defend as the status quo content that he feels support a negative image of Stein. These are the facts concerning the user's interventions on the article.

    Concerning Tryptofish's assertion that the 1RR applies in the GMO section, I solicited input from the closing admins of the GMO debate who declined to comment. The Four Deuces and I both looked into his assertion and do not find it credible. Tryptofish, who is apparently somewhat famous, is clearly a very experienced Wiki-warrior given his past interactions with the Arbitration Committee. Having learned this from a google search trying to find clues as to what the "trypto" could mean, I decided to proceed cautiously, including the entire "proposition 1" of that debate in the article (3-4 lines of texts with lengthy references), because Tryptofish seemed like he wanted to create trouble in that section. He reverted this commonsense peaceful solution here.

    I'm also not sure why s/he wanted to include this article ("Media coverage thin for presidential candidates’ science awareness and views"), almost entirely about Clinton & Trump (with one sentence dismissing his own Weissmann reference) and pointing fingers at ScienceDebate.org to support his claim that many articles are calling Stein "contrary to science" (diff). This, in the context of a great deal of pushback concerning normal wikipedia spin-off procedures for political candidates pages (afd that he encouraged, but hasn't yet voted in (4 delete, 3 keep, currently)...)

    POV-pushing (ref-name change): Tryptofish's 2nd and 3rd diffs in this section do not refer to my edits (cf. the chaotic (& snarky) removal of material and vast operation of multiple reference renaming, which added confusion to the page (I was not involved in these decision to snark with significant chunks of content). In sum I changed one reference name in the first "diff", waiting for the "stray link fixed bot" to come and pick it up. I stayed on the page to see if it would. It didn't. I fixed what I had done by replacing all 16 references to the same article, introduced all in one edit by another editor here. I admit this was to make a point after having seen yet another bit of (what I consider to have been) trolling cluttering the head of a sub-section that has caused much grief and hard work in the last month with a gossipy quote that had nothing to do with anything: (diff). I figred if Tryptofish could troll with impunity I could draw attention to a serious problem: Snooganssnoogans's particularly lopsided edit here, in which introductions and conclusions of Jill Stein's arguments were cited, but the argument itself strangely disappeared from at least some of the 16 quotes s/he added from the WaPo. (cf. talk here).

    Tryptofish does not mention this context of consistent disruptive editing, nor does he mention his own, somewhat more troubling, history of it: he came to the Jill Stein thread on the 20th of August, with very pointed stated goals (vaccines, GMOs and pesticides interventions in the article) and added lots of "menacing" warnings about AE in his/her participation in the talk thread. I will not comment on the POV that Tryptofish may or may not be pushing, as I don't understand his actions.

    Regarding the diffs that are said to relate to "slow edit warring". In an environment of (occasionally) diametrically opposed viewpoints, and on a page where one editor has been going up to 3RR frequently on a regular basis in July and August (I came to the thread only in August myself), it is not surprising to find that I made 2 reverts on a section recently marked by another user as non-neutral precisely because of the text concerned. Repeated requests have been made to the editor to rework the paragraph he has added and reworked over time, to no avail. . I have likewise had to remove an unreliable source that the user deliberately smuggled back into the article at [15:10 27 Aug 2016, after admitting the source had failed a basic fact-check talk 15:04 27 Aug 2016 and should not be included.


    I do not anywhere say that the WaPo is an unreliable source generally, contrary to the claim made, and two of the four revert diffs have nothing to do with me. There was a great deal of intermediary sniping going on, while I tried to satisfy AndrewOne's concerns about the QE argument in the Education section (from and ). Cf. also these more worrying snark edits diff and diff


    I also think ludicrous (lud = fun), and ridiculous (rid = laugh) are odd word choices that I see a lot on the talk pages. diff1 diff2. SashiRolls (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Response to additional comments from the accused party

    I have responded at length on my talk page and at Talk:Jill_Stein#WP:DUE + cite Talk:Jill_Stein#from_WP:Edit_warring + diff of earlier menacing thousand-year comment from notifier, which I chose to remove from my talk page. SashiRolls (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by clpo13

    I take full ownership of this edit. In my defense, SashiRolls felt that the interview was accorded undue weight, so I figured I'd see what all would have to go if the source wasn't used. Turns out there was a lot. Well, I put it all back and received a (rightful) admonishment about being WP:POINTy, which I've taken to heart.

    Anyways, SashiRoll's original complaint was vague, and a follow-up response clarified that the real issue was WaPo's apparent bias against Sanders (and by extension Stein, I guess). But that still comes across as "WaPo doesn't like my candidate so we shouldn't use it as a reference". It took a fair bit of needling to get any further explanation. I can understand the sentiment that no Misplaced Pages article should rely so much on a single article, but this wasn't a good way to go about making an objection since it wasn't clear to many people what the issue actually was.

    As a final note: relying on the bot to fix the reference names probably wasn't the best idea, since over an hour passed between the first change and my fix, during which time the source was inaccessible to readers. clpo13(talk) 23:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by The Four Deuces

    Jill Stein is not a "page relating to genetically modified organisms, commercially produced agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them, broadly construed." Earlier, it was determined in a request for clarification in which Tryptofish participated, that Bernie Sanders was not a page related to GMOs. (See: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms.) Both Stein and Sanders are or were 2016 presidential candidates who are critics of GMOs.

    Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Genetically modified organisms applies to 11 named articles and "will be implemented, broadly construed, for other articles in the subject area." Furthermore, there is no template for GMO on the talk page, although there is one for "American politics 2." 1RR is not part of U.S. politics general sanctions and would be too draconian for such a wide topic area.

    Trypofish falsely claimed at Talk:Jill Stein, "I want to make it very clear to editors that the content that I reverted violates the Discretionary Sanctions linked above, because it alters the language that was established in the community RfC about GMOs. Editors must not make up alternative language, and doing so will result in Arbitration Enforcement." ] While the closing adminstrator determined the consensus of the RfC and set discretionary sanctions, those sanctions were not for disgreeing with the determination of facts in the RfC. Ironically, Stein has not said that currently manufactured GMO food is unsafe.

    The articles in The Washington Post and others are cited in the article as the opinions of their authors, not as statements of fact. While SashiRolls unfortunately says the paper is not rs, he actually argues that it is biased, and provides an article originally published in Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting ("Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours") as a source. ] The paper's editorial board has called Trump a "clear and present danger." although it has not yet endorsed Clinton. It is not a stretch of the imagination to assume that at least some of the opinions expressed in the paper have a partisan tinge.

    The article by Steven T. Corneliussen, ""Media coverage thin for presidential candidates’ science awareness and views", in Physics Today, does not "clearly agree with the criticism" of Stein, as Tryptofish says. ] It says only, "An opinion piece at Slate dismissed Green Party candidate Jill Stein as “a Harvard-trained physician who panders to pseudoscience” concerning genetically modified organisms, pesticides, “quack medicine,” and vaccine efficacy. If anything it draws into question the extensive concentration on science issues that Trypofish has shown.

    Tryptofish was an involved party in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms. It appears that his interest in that topic has brought him to the Jill Stein article and blurs his neutrality. S/he has not provided edits on any Green-related articles except to add opinions that they are anti-science.

    TFD (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Timothyjosephwood

    I'm somewhat involved, though not deeply. Sashi's enthusiasm is admirable, but unfortunately their experience hasn't caught up with it yet, and disagreements stemming from that gap seem to have grown tensions to the point where assumptions of good faith have started to wane on all sides.

    Mentoring could be an option here, given appropriate assurances by Sashi that they're willing to slow down a bit and take active steps toward being a bit more cool headed about things. TimothyJosephWood 12:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Given their behavior over the past 24 hours, strike all above. TimothyJosephWood 11:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
    User is openly warring on the article, (, ,, , ), being generally disruptive on the talk, mangling formatting and others comments to the point where I'm not even sure what diffs to provide. They've dropped any pretense that this is anything but a personal contest, and accused others on their talk of leading an "offensive" against Jill Stein, and apparently calling me a Nazi for suggesting that they take a break and edit something less controversial for a while.
    Either sanction the user or close this because we would have easily already been at ANI or AN3 were it not for this open complaint. TimothyJosephWood 15:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by snooganssnoogans

    The user SashiRolls has for the last few weeks engaged in constant disruptive editing on the Jill Stein page. I'll try to limit this text to just recent examples of disruptive behavior. The user repeatedly:

    • re-writes text into incoherent word salads full of weasel words. Yesterday, SashiRolls edited Stein's straight-forward position on student debt (she wants to cancel it using quantitative easing) into some incomprehensible mess that also features original research: "Stein has brought the idea of debt relief for student loans, much discussed after the Federal Reserve began quantitative easing, back into the political arena in 2016."
    • adds content of questionable reliability and relevance. The user repeatedly adds WP:OR which does not mention Jill Stein, the Green Party and usually comes from rubbish sources and does not relate to the subject at all. IIRC, the user has added 4-5 OR pieces to the article in just the last two days.
    • cannot or will not tell the difference between a reliable source and an unreliable source. The user has, for instance, fought to include TeleSur, ShadowProof, Mint Press and Counterpunch as reliable sources while trying to get the Washington Post excluded from the page for being an unreliable source. Just today, SashiRolls restored ShadowProof and Counterpunch, which I removed for being unreliable. It's impossible to edit the page when the user cannot or will not tell the difference between a reliable source and unreliable one.
    • acts in disingenuous ways to revert content. On the 31 August, I used up three reverts to revert SashiRolls' demonstrably false edits (the user claimed that a paragraph had nothing to do with Stein's education plan, despite containing the phrase "student loan" three times and being doubtlessly about Stein's plan to cancel student debt), at which point SashiRolls responded, "ok, you are at 3RR for today." The user repeatedly calls out users for approaching or being at the 3RR limit (or in the case of the GMO section the 1RR limit), usually always when reverting SashiRolls' ridiculous edits.
    • casts aspersions on the intentions of other editors. The user has repeatedly over the last few weeks cast aspersions on at least three editors and Misplaced Pages as an institution. user:Neutrality has called SashiRolls out on this with little effect. The user has also repeatedly threatened to sanction me or have me banned, something I've never encountered before despite editing a lot on political pages. Despite being involved in contentious editing on a number of political pages, I have honestly never encountered an editor that has edited in such a disruptive manner as SashiRolls without being sanctioned for it.
    • goes against consensus. SashiRolls created an RfC on 13 August 2016 where he/she proposed re-writing Jill Stein's position on Brexit. This was overwhelmingly rejected. Since having had the RfC rejected, SashiRolls has on three or four occasions re-written the Brexit section in ways that were rejected in the RfC.
    • goes against the discretionary sanctions in the Stein article. SashiRolls has occasionally within 24 hours reverted the same content in the GMO section, which I believe is a violation. Other than that, SashiRolls continues to edit the GMO section in insincere and ridiculous ways.
    • lies about the content of sources, the content of the Stein article and what happens on the talk page. In a particularly memorable talk, SashiRolls willfully misrepresents the user JayJasper's twice comment on the talk page (once after having it pointed out to him/her) and also in the edit summary when SashiRolls proclaimed that he/she had consensus for a particular edit relating to that talk. Within the last few days, SashiRolls lied or pretended to be obtuse about the Stein's education plan, arguing that her proposal to cancel student loan debt through quantitative easing had nothing to do with education or student loans. SashiRolls repeatedly misrepresents the content of sources, there's no point running through the times.
    • edit (one day later): I just want to note that SashiRolls just restored conspiracy and fringe websites twice this morning to the Stein (this is now the forth time in two days that he/she's restored them). Even though the user is on Arbcom, he/she shows no sign of taking the warnings and advice of other editors to heart.

    References

    1. Roosevelt Institute (14 March 2012). "The Next Round of Quantitative Easing Should be a Debt Jubilee". Roosevelt Institute.
    2. McCardle, Megan (6 October 2011). "Debt Jubilee? Start With Student Loans". The Atlantic. Retrieved 1 September 2016.
    3. Brown, Ellen (20 October 2011). "A Jubilee for Student Debt". Yes!. Retrieved 1 September 2016.
    4. The Young Turks (2016-06-08), How Dr. Jill Stein Will ERASE Student Loan Debt, retrieved 2016-07-26
    5. Wisner, Matthew (2016-07-07). "Green Party's Jill Stein on Tax-Free Student Loan Bailout". Fox Business. Retrieved 2016-07-27.

    - Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Neutrality

    I agree completely with Snooganssnoogans and Timothyjosephwood others who have commented. On Stein and Stein-related articles, SashiRolls' sustained course of conduct has been completely unacceptable, and the array of problems is broad: everything from casting aspersions to personal attacks to POV-pushing.

    I also agree with Timothyjosephwood that it would be wise to act on this report relatively rapidly. If this file weren't open, this matter might well be up at ANI for discussion of a possible topic ban of SashiRolls. Neutrality 18:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

    Result concerning SashiRolls

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    • I am concerned both about the behavior of SashiRolls enough to suggest a sanction. I would suggest that SashiRolls comment as soon as feasible. NW (Talk) 18:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
      • Unrelated to here mostly, but I am also concerned about the article being a battleground for people's opinions about politics writ large. Are we really using Counterpunch and Shadowproof (Firedoglake) within the Jill Stein article to criticize the coverage of The Washington Post on Misplaced Pages? NW (Talk) 18:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
        • I'm still stuck on this issue, and it appears that SashiRolls simply just doesn't get it. Quoting from the first draft of their statement, "A brief response to NW, who is concerned about Shadowproof. The article has not been disputed on any grounds, though many people have seen it. Had that subject been opened, I would have responded or withdrawn, if consensus was reached concerning it. This is an article about a US eco-socialist politician, so no, the Washington Post, as wikipedia's own subject on the paper might suggest, is not likely to be a reliable source concerning her politics. Jacobin, Democracy Now!: these are among "her" fellow-traveling media outlets; Counterpunch has frequently published her running mate. They are knowledgeable sources about the Left. Her sources will look different than mainstream news outlets." This is a fundamental failure to understand Misplaced Pages's sourcing and neutral point of view policies, and I do not see how a warning will be sufficient. I am going to issue a six month topic ban relating to Jill Stein under the post-1932 American Politics discretionary sanction. Further requests for action can be brought to here without prejudice. NW (Talk) 19:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
    • I favor a one-time warning. I'm unimpressed by SashiRolls' behavior here, which amounts to POV-pushing in my opinion. I consider this to fall mostly under DS for American Politics—the fact that the content is related to GMO is an aggravating factor but shouldn't be used as a red herring to distract from the poor behavior. I don't quite think we are dealing with behavior that rises to the level of sanctions, though. Further edit warring to push a POV should be met with an American Politics topic ban of some length. --Laser brain (talk) 16:36, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
    • I've had some experience with SashiRolls on my talk page (User_talk:NeilN/Archive_33#Enforcement_request_and_COI - starts about one-third of the way down) which left me unimpressed. Plus there are incomprehensible statements like this. Any warning should highlight WP:1RR and instruct the editor to stop casting aspersions. --NeilN 16:49, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

    Sahrin

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    Request concerning Sahrin

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Jytdog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Sahrin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    The following starters are from the EWN case just a couple days ago the EWN case closed just a day ago

    1. edit note "revert possible vandalism"
    2. edit note "The source is given in the line. Gun zealots are taking over this page. Guys, what is it you hope to accomplish here?"
    3. edit note "Since the section is disputed, I am reverting to the original version of the article before the article was brigaded by revisionist gun types"
    4. here edit note: "Attempting to intimidate another editor is extremely inappropriate" (after getting 3RR and DS notice from me)
    5. in the midst of that, Sahrin gave uw-disruptive1 template user talk warnings to User:Deli nk here and User:Rms125a@hotmail.com here and this warning about "harassment" on my User page. (those diffs not brought in the EWN case)
    6. At EWN, Sahrin wrote this truly strange attack on me. No diffs, not true, and almost incomprehensible.

    The EWN notice resulted in Sahrin being blocked for edit warring by User:Someguy1221. First three contribs upon returning:

    1. 03:11, 2 September 2016 At the article Talk page, personal attacks on me and admin that blocked Sahrin for EW; WP:POINTy suggestion about deleting the whole section; and more or less incomprehensible argument. No questions or effort to discuss
    2. 03:15, 2 September 2016 At Someguy1221's talk page, accusation of abuse of tools
    3. 03:23, 2 September 2016 Further personal attacks now with "whitewashing", and yet more incomprehensible arguments at the article Talk page. Nothing about, say, how the sources support the content or asking what the issue is.

    I took at shot at talking with them, ignoring the attacks and strangeness: dif

    1. and here is the response: dif. This is impossible to follow (really - the stuff about "To suggest that somehow the entirety of the controversy is "AMA wants $10M in the budget for gun violence research, Congress rejects it" is, as I said in my original edit however many days ago spurious. But your brigade/sock poppets/etc continue to insist that it isn't spurious" .... it just makes no sense. And more accusations of "whitewashing", etc.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 24 hour blocked for 3RR on Aug 31
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I have to imagine that this is why Arbcom sets up enduring DS on this topic; I don't even edit gun topics, but I am a "Gun zealot"? It is crazy. Every edit they have made since this started has been laden with personal attack and emotion; typical of these issues that have DS on them. But this is over top; there is no room to work here.

    I don't want to bring content into this, but there is also a WP:CIR thing going on here, as the Dickey Amendment doesn't say what Sahrin thinks it does, - this is really simple;

    • The content Sarhin was trying to add (dif): "The amendment specifically bans the CDC from reporting results that suggest gun control would reduce violence."
    • What the amendment says in its entirety, which is in the article just above where Sahrin wanted to insert the content: "“none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control.” (ref, p 244.

    It is/was not even a hard issue to resolve in some ways. I ~think~ maybe Sahrin wants to say something about the effect of the Dickey Amendment on researchers but with all the aggression, attacks, and demands, and tangle, I can't figure out what that might be. The behavior and approach to other editors makes working it out way uglier than anything has to be in WP and there is no reason to put up with this. This is what DS are for; please apply them.


    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    • From Sahrin's second revert above and throughout their response below they have characteriized me as some kind of "gun zealot" or "passionate about this issue". As I noted above I don't edit gun topics in WP; Sahrin brings zero diffs to support that characterization; it is an assumption of bad faith on their part. I edit mostly health/medicine and this article (Center for Disease Control) has been on my since May (see my contrib history to that article) and I was simply reacting to bad editing (OR/editorialzing unsupported by the sources) as I do across articles I watch, and as has every one else who has looked at the edits Sarhin made to this article (1 IP and 3 editors besides me).
    Sahrin does not seem to be able to manage this simple WP 101 content dispute without viewing and characterizing the people who have disagreed with their edits as being "gun zealots" or "revisionist gun types" (??) who "brigade" (??) and sockpuppet and vandalize. I showed this with diffs above. Sahrin continues to characterize me that way even here at AE. I have no idea what the rest of their editing is like but this has all been completely (and I mean completely) unacceptable behavior on their part, from their first response to opposition to their edits on this article (charactering the IP's revert as "vandalism") and on through their comments below. I don't see how it makes sense that they should continue to edit on gun control issues. Jytdog (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning Sahrin

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    Statement by Sahrin

    I can only laugh bemusedly at this entire affair. From day one Jytdog has behaved aggressively and harassed me. Based on the evidence that is available in the logs, it can be seen that Jytdog's initial and repeated effort was to revert a consensus version of the article that was achieved a few weeks before this incident. He was saved from a 3RR violation only by brigading the article (ie, summoning either a like-minded user, or a sock puppet account to revert so that he did not jeopardize his own account). I admit I was not aware of the "bright line" 3RR rule, but overturning an existing consensus (which contained both the content of the law in question; as the initial 'other side' advocated; as well as the actual cause of the controversy (the effort to censor researchers) seemed grounds for aggressive action. I was banned, and was wrong to revert three times without logging into an alt account as Jytdog did.

    The issue began, though, when Jytdog, after seeing my reverts, initiated an aggressive program of harassment - making three separate edits to my user talk page (all evidenced in his links above so I won't reproduce them) in response to a *single edit.* His every effort appeared to be to entrap me into a 3RR violation, including very strong language in comments in edit notes like "This is not optional." I admit, I was frustrated, and reverted three times. But the notion that anything is being done but normal revision of an article that is being interfered with by Jytdog is absolutely hilarious. His behavior has gone over the line time and again, and when this is pointed out to him (that he is harassing me and brigading an article) he responds with "personal attacks! personal attacks!" That's all fine, but the evidence just isn't there for that behavior. With the exception of the 3RR I have remained civil and results oriented at all times, meanwhile Jytdog seems to be interested in carrying out a personal vendetta against me...why I cannot say.

    There are a number of problems with Jytdog's version of events:

    • 1. He continuously references the original draft of my edit to the article, as if I have not changed in response to the community's feedback. A cursory glance of the edit history will show that I have made *numerous* changes to this draft. One wonders why Jytdog ignores these changes, and instead presents the situation as if I am stubbornly refusing to cooperate with others.
    • 2. After the 3RR, seeing how heated the situation had become, I reached a compromise. It was very clear that Jytdog's faction did not want any mention of the censorship problem presented by the amendment in the article. It occurred to me while I was on 'vacation' that the entirety of the section was a silly thing to have in the encyclopedia in the first place! It's an agency with a $7B budget, without the censorship issue we are talking about (and Jytdog's faction's edit) presented the "controvery" as a dispute between the AMA and Congress over a $10M (million) line item in the CDC's budget for a single fiscal year...This is a controversy? This is worthy of inclusion in the encyclopedia? No, not really. So if we're absolutely certain that there is no evidence for a stronger problem, then let's dump the section altogether! We can 'whitewash' the problem as Jytdog's faction wants, while at the same time maintaining out commitment to notability? This compromise is apparently what set Jytdog off, because he immediately began threatening me with further sanctions.
    • 3. I told him his threats and intimidation wouldn't work, and *continued discussing in a civil and results-oriented manner.* Jytdog responded by submitting this Arb Request.
    • 4. The edit to Someguy1221's user page was specifically not about Someguy1221 or this situation. The comments even say so. I understand why both Jytdog and Someguy1221 would think that is was, except I indicated in the comments that it wasn't. Having experienced the "reporting" process myself now, I can see that it is not something I would willingly submit other users to, even if they are admins...so I can't go into further detail.
    • 5. The sort of "Cherry on top" is Jytdog's last section above which begins, "I think Sahrin wants to say..." Like, dude, this is what you should be saying in the Talk page without all the threats and harassment! That's what editing is, discussing the issue! *sigh* I can admit there's a lot I don't understand about this community, but I have been here for a long time and I've never experienced this kind of behavior from another editor (the aggressive, adversarial, "get mom to intervene" behavior). I'm not the WP police and to each his own, for sure, but what's missing here is any evidence of any kind of wrongdoing except the 3RR violation. But instead of doing so, Jytdog carries the dispute into an enforcement action.
    • 6. All of this behavior is what led me to the conclusion that there is a NPOV issue related to Jytdog.

    In short, I don't have a comprehensive understanding of all the WP:Policy bits. I made an error before in the 3RR situation, and I apologize for that. But what going on here is a very passionate editor has lost perspective on a situation, and is trying to push his own feeling too far.

    I've been editing WP for...13 years now, I believe. If the Arb committee decides it's my time to go, then it's my time. Thanks for the good times, it was a fun project to contribute to.

    (Moved from OID section) I've seen the same kind of cryptic comments from Jytdog. "Nothing else need be said" "I refuse to say any more" etc. What secret mysterious world are you privy to that I am not, which includes this information? It's a child's approach to a situation. If there's a problem, say what the problem is. If you can't articulate the problem clearly, then perhaps there is not an issue and you're just responding out of emotion rather than reason. Sahrin (talk) 15:34, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Added 21:30 UTC: So I have reviewed Jytdog's block log. It appears he has been banned permanently on two separate instances for similar behaviors, only to be unbanned after appealing to the Arb Committee. I can't see into the committee's deliberations myself, but if I've ever heard of a case of misplaced aggression/transferrance this appears to follow it to a textbook. In my entire history with WP I have never had any interaction with Admins or disciplinary groups, until Jytdog. Sahrin (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Added 2016-19-05 1746 UTC: Comment on the admin's page *was not about this issue.* This was stated several times and for the record above. Comments regarding neutrality of other editors were made only after my neutrality was questioned, and repeated reverts were made without substantiation for the revert. As I noted, I became frustrated and committed the 3RR. I have already backed away from the dispute; I made a further comment on the talk page which failed to achieve consensus and have not said anything further on the topic. The evidence for "whitewashing" is readily available - there were repeated attempts to remove factually true information from an article to present a particular viewpoint (that there was no controversy), I must admit I find it frustrating that the admins in question have not seen this in the record; if agreeing to remove myself from the situation is what causes this to blow over then I'm totally down with it. As far as de-escalating, I will not have anything further to do with the topic or certainly the editor in question. I have received messages from several other editors criticizing the neutrality/behavior of the editor in question in the past, and need no further convincing that he is not someone I want to be involved with. Sahrin (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

    Added 2016-09-06 1000 UTC: The editor in question did not follow the editorial process. If it is against Misplaced Pages policy to point this out, it seems like it would be impossible for me to end up in this situation (ie, accused of not following processes). This is the point that is unclear to me, and the reason that such comments can't be 'withdrawn.' The evidence is strong, and while I'm eager to work with all editors I can't ignore strong evidence. My question is: If it is acceptable for the editor in question to accuse me of violating wikipedia policy, why is it unacceptable for me to do the same? An answer from any neutral party could profitably resolve the dispute. Failing an answer, as I have said I will have nothing further to do with the editor in question so it's a moot point in either case. Sahrin (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by OID

    Please note in the above statement where Sahrin accuses Jytdog of socking to avoid 3rr ("I was banned, and was wrong to revert three times without logging into an alt account as Jytdog did."). Dont think anything more needs to be said. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    See WP:NPA. You are accusing another editor of deliberately sockpuppeting in order to game the 3rr violation. Which raises a number of issues, 1. Its highly unlikely you have been around this long and do not know about assuming good faith and not making unsubstantiated personal attacks on other editors. 2. You claimed you were not aware of 3rr and yet clearly aware enough to accuse someone of sockpuppeting to avoid it. (Also AE is one of those pages where comments are restricted to editor's own sections - no threading.) Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:38, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Sahrin

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    • Sahrin's conduct in this is fairly bizarre and I don't believe they weren't aware of the 3RR rule. I think a general warning to avoid personal attacks and avoid future edit warring would be sufficient here. The behavior seems isolated, so I wouldn't be comfortable imposing a topic sanction at this time. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
    • I would agree with User:Lord Roem if there were any evidence that User:Sahrin was willing to back away from the dispute. Sahrin is a long-time editor and it seems correct to describe his conduct this one time as fairly bizarre. A routine editorial dispute doesn't need to turn into a federal case. If people give evidence through the language they use that they may be unable to edit neutrally on a topic such as gun control, it is common to issue a topic ban. There may be time to avoid that. If we didn't want to use discretionary sanctions a one-week block for personal attacks might be considered, which could still be avoided. The thing that's hard to swallow is that he continues beating the war drums right here in his AE response. He has even suggested that he might report the admin who issued the 3RR block for abuse of admin privileges. EdJohnston (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, you can definitely take his "whitewashing" remarks as evidence that they're unable to edit neutrally in the topic. I wouldn't be opposed to a non-DS block for these completely unsubstantiated personal attacks; if a topic sanction were issued, I'd prefer it be on the short side. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 17:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
    • I'm hesitating on whether to accept Sahrin's concessions. What I find the hardest to accept is his suggestion (not withdrawn yet) that Jytdog engaged in sockpuppetry or recruitment of a like-minded editor, and his following text from the article talk page:

    Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Continued harassment doesn't change the integrity of the process, nor does it change the facts of this issue. I'm not sure why you think threatening me is going to help settle an editorial dispute. I'm not sure why intimidation is your solution to an editorial dispute. It'd be great if instead of continually attempting to brigade the article in question and get people "on your side" you'd stick to following the editorial process. Not a single comment on the content...just more threats and intimidation. *sigh* Sahrin (talk) 03:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

    –EdJohnston (talk) 04:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

    Orasis

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    Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:21, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Orasis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 3#General Prohibition (WP:ARBPIA3#500/30):
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 11 August Series of six edits at Ralph Bunche labeling the Zionist militant group Lehi terrorists
    2. 11 August Series of two edits at Lehi (group) labeling the Zionist militant group terrorists
    3. 11 August Series of two edits at Talk:Lehi (group) labeling the Zionist militant group terrorists
    4. 3 September Series of two edits at Ralph Bunche labeling the Zionist militant group Lehi terrorists
    5. 3 September Series of two edits at Yitzhak Shamir labeling the Zionist militant group Lehi terrorists
    6. 5 September Edit at King David Hotel bombing labeling the Zionist militant group Irgun terrorists
    7. 5 September Edit at Irgun labeling the Zionist militant group terrorists
    8. 5 September Edit at Talk:Irgun labeling the Zionist militant group terrorists
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    1. None
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    1. 11 August User:Epson Salts notified Orasis that as an editor with fewer than 500 edits, she/he was not permitted to edit articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, including talk pages of such articles
    2. 4 September User:Epson Salts warned Orasis that if she/he continued to edit articles she/he is restricted from editing, she/he may be blocked
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    Notified

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    Statement by Orasis

    I will not appeal shit, I will change my IP. The fact that only the Israeli view is allowed here is apparent. I will return, eat shit.

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    • Well, this is fairly straightforward. The editor was just blocked by another admin for personal attacks. I think it's pretty clear they shouldn't return to this topic for some time. Their rather... succinct statement makes that readily apparent. Unless there's any objection, I'm ready to close this with a six-month topic ban. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

    Philip Cross

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    Nomoskedasticity (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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    Philip Cross (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    DS 1RR restriction on Jeremy Corbyn
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 5 Sept, 10:57, "Reverted good faith edits by MShabazz (talk)" revert obvious in the edit summary
    2. 6 Sept., 10:04 "+ citation about Corbyn's association with alleged antisemites & Holocaust deniers (*one^ sentence on this issue, plus citation, is not tendentious one would have thought)", is a revert by virtue of restoring mention of Corbyn's alleged "anti-Semitism", previously added twice by Philip Cross on 2 Sept. e.g. here (immediately following deletion by a different editor). The edit summary of this most recent edit shows awareness that there have been previous attempts to add something along these lines.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The second revert uses a different source (i.e., not the same as with his first attempt to add this material on 2 Sept.). But it is a revert all the same insofar as it attempts to have the Jeremy Corbyn article include implication of the idea that he is an anti-Semite (has been accused of, is indifferent to, etc.). Different sources and different ways of expressing the idea don't hide the underlying impulse here. Also worth noting is that the issue is under discussion on the talk page (), where it's entirely evident that there is no consensus to add a particular passage along these lines.

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    Most of the other users on the talkpage opposing any mention of the issue of Jeremy Corbyn and the antisemitism issue are stonewalling in my opinion, and unable to acknowledge any other viewpoint as being valid. The citation ‎Nomoskedasticity mentions was on 2 September, not within the last 24 years. In the 2 September addition, I did not claim Corbyn is "indifferent" to the issue in the article itself, nor make a direct claim about his attitudes. The objection of other users is to a tweet I added by the Times journalist Oliver Kamm (cited to a reliable source) and is a matter of interpretation over which there is disagreement. The issue of Corbyn's past association with (quoting from my edit today which Nomoskedasticity cites) "alleged antisemites and Holocaust deniers" has repeatedly been referred to in the British media, and internationally, yet other editors cannot accept this is notable and should be included in the main Corbyn article. My new mention of this issue consists of one sentence, and a citation. Hardly excessive. There is a related issue concerning the talkpage discussion. Many editors are unwilling to countenance the inclusion in the article of the issue of online sexist and homophobic, as well as antisemite abuse, by people who claim to be Corbyn's supporters. The issue of Corbyn's apparent inability to deal with the abuse issue has again frequently been raised. For instance, by many of the former shadow ministers who resigned from Labour's shadow cabinet last June, other Labour MPs who were among the 172 who supported a motion of no confidence in Corbyn, and commentators in the media. Since this complaint was filed, I have added Corbyn's responses. I usually add opposing views, or opinions I do not share, in such instances. The Labour Party is split over the issue of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, probably the most serious crisis the party has faced in more than 80 years (the party had a major split in 1931, and a more minor one in 1981), with a new split being openly discussed because of Corbyn's leadership, yet this article barely touches on any of this. Philip Cross (talk) 12:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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