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Criticism section?

Why isn't there one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.82.12.210 (talk) 14:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The incompetence of the MTA is so criminally extensive and such a fundamental characteristic of its nature that an honest article about it should include at least some gesture towards its incomprehensible failures on an hourly basis. You would be hard pressed to find a New Yorker who actually uses the transit system to say "I think the MTA does a good job." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.225.177 (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I would start with the MTA board's free EZ passes. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/05/27/2008-05-27_kalikow__mta_cronies_get_passes_for_life.html Then discuss construction delays. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/report-faults-mta-for-delays-in-big-construction-projects/ And then fare increases, their unacknowledged regressiveness, and de facto service cuts. http://gawker.com/5409464/new-york-city-just-gives-up-on-subway-service Jewpiterjones (talk) 04:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is a NYT article on contractor performance and a Post article on signal inspection . MakeBelieveMonster (talk) 17:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

External map

I love the map from Columbia.edu, but the man who produces it has said he will no longer be updating it, might not it be worth it for some wikipedian to take it over? mbisanz

Tunnel dwellers

something should be said about the people who live underground

MTA LOGO

There should a mention on how the MTA logo looks like Pac-Man —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.165.132 (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

For that, they'd really need to add some more letters and adjust the angle of the text shrinking, so it meets up at no more than one point on the other (right) side. However, I have herd the term 'pacman scheme' describing their bus livery. Jason McHuff 05:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

MTA museum

There should be a link or even an article on the MTA museum: http://www.mta.info/mta/museum/ 66.65.95.56 (talk) 17:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Related agencies

From other articles, it sounds like there might be no difference between a "subsidiary" and an "affiliated agency". Also, various articles refer to the SIRTOA as a subsidiary of the NYCTA. Can anyone verify with a reference? -- Beland (talk) 01:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hopelessly confused with The Bronx

I'm sure that there are purely innocent, well-intentioned, good-faith mistakes involved, but this has become hopelessly entangled with an article I've been editing for months on The Bronx. I removed the MTA stuff from the Bronx, but now the MTA article has a Bronx infobox and footnotes. Can somebody research the history and unsnarl this mess? —— Shakescene (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've removed the MTA article from The Bronx and The Bronx from the top of this article. I hope that nothing has been lost in the process. –— Shakescene (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Orienting map

A map at least showing the counties served would be a useful addition. -- Beland (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York) → Metropolitan Transportation Authority – Looking at MTA (disambiguation), I don't see any other agencies that use this name. Even if it is, NYC is the primary use. LACMTA can be a hatnote. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 14:28, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose You've also got Maryland, Massachusetts, Erie County, Pennsylvania, and Miami-Dade County, Florida. Additionally, the last line of the Chad Mitchell Trio novelty song "Super Skier" refers to another "MTA."----DanTD (talk) 11:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Maryland is "Maryland Transit Administration", not "Transportation". MTA would still be a dabpage. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 18:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose: I once fiddled around creating disambiguation pages and hatnotes for Metropolitan Transit Authority, Municipal Transit Authority, Metropolitan Transport Authority, Metropolitan Transporation Authority, Municipal Transportation Authority, etc., etc., but someone rather wiser just cut the Gordian Knot and put them all into MTA. The average reader who's always heard and said "MTA" (or even sung it in MTA (song)) often can't remember, or doesn't even know, what the "M" or the "T" stand for anyway; just to make it marginally easier for those New Yorkers who happen to know the full, correct name of their own MTA, you'd be adding a lot of possible doubt, confusion and misdirection for many others. The purpose of article titles is not precision or even accuracy, but (1) to aid navigation and (2) to identify and distinguish articles readily (in an unbiased way) to the non-expert reader. In a parallel case, Metropolitan Transport Corporation used to redirect automatically to the one in Chennai (Madras), India, until I created a disambiguation page for some transit-related MTC's with some very similar names. —— Shakescene (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Transit Police

The article should mention that the Subway system had its own Transit Police. In the 1980s, the Transit Police was merged into the NYPD. 206.192.35.125 (talk) 19:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Lamest edit war of the....

Epic -- please stop edit warring to hide the FA section under a lower level header. It is one of the more important subjects in the article. Should be at a higher level. That also allows readers who only see the higher level to know the content of that section. "Issues" doesn't do it. And issues/controversy are deprecated anyway as headers ... not that that matters. Frankly, this is one of the silliest and most juvenile and most ILIKEIT edit wars I've seen in a long time. Please cut it out. --Epeefleche (talk) 05:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Epee, why don't you post the issue on my talk page if you have an issue with my editing in particular?Anyway, they are both issues that are high-profile, so I guessed that the two budget and ads subsections could be placed under one larger issues super-section. Epic Genius (talk) 16:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with MTA Capital Construction

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to not merge

I feel there is not enough information to hold up another article and it would make it easier for the reader to have it on one page RES2773 (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

i oppose this, since capital construction is a separate department of the MTA, like the LIRR, MetroNorth, and NYC subway is. 156.111.111.81 (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Although it may be a separate department, I feel that (a) There is not enough in the article, and (b) If on the main article it may be updated more often. RES2773 (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2015 (UTC)RES2773

Re revert 00:02, 4 August 2015‎ Epicgenius

00:02, 4 August 2015‎ Epicgenius (talk | contribs)‎ revert good faith edit, this broke markup and violated WP:MOS. Change was "Service animals, including service dogs" to "Guide dogs ]". Reason for my change was Overview of ADA page "Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA." I dont see a WP:MOS reason why this should be reverted.

Photo montage should include one subway (underground) pic

Such as the nice E train image with new rolling stock on the New York City Subway article. B137 (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2016

The request to rename this article to Metropolitan Transportation Authority has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

• Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York) → Metropolitan Transportation Authority
• Metropolitan Transportation Authority → Metropolitan Transportation Authority (disambiguation) (Could also be Metropolitan Transit Authority as per comments below. epicgenius (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC))

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CONCISE; all of the other entries at the disambiguation page "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" are either named "Metropolitan Transit Authority":

• Erie Metropolitan Transit Authority, Pennsylvania
• Metropolitan Transit Authority of Harris County, Texas
• Metropolitan Transit Authority (Miami-Dade), Florida
• Nashville Metropolitan Transit Authority, Tennessee
• Topeka Metropolitan Transit Authority, Kansas
• Metropolitan Transit Authority (Victoria), Melbourne, Australia

Or "XXX Transit Agency Metropolitan Transportation Authority":

• Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, California

Also, this MTA serves Connecticut too, so the title is inaccurate. The proposed new name is shorter and doesn't have any of the inaccuracy problems associated with it. epicgenius (talk) 00:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support moving this article as proposed, since it's the only one using the exact title (or primary use if you count the L.A. article, but that is more likely to be searched for under its working name, "Metro"). However, the dab page should be moved to Metropolitan Transit Authority rather than the proposed title, because all the other entries use "Transit" in their names, as shown above. Of course, a hatnote must be added to this article. Station1 (talk) 01:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Station1 - clearly the dab page should be split according to the name. Perhaps my only concern is whether we will need to retarget the hundreds - maybe even thousands - of incoming links to the page to avoid double redirects and the such. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 02:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Weak support The only ones there that use the word "transportation" are the New York and LA County agencies, true, but the difference between "transit' and 'transportation" is easy to confuse. As Station1 noted, the LACMTA is either referred to as that or just as "Metro", so that one is pretty naturally disambiguated. I agree with him that if there are page moves, the the disambiguation page should be at Metropolitan Transit Authority. (As an aside, I would disagree with calling the current disambiguator inaccurate, though, as the MTA is a public benefit corporation owned by New York state and Connecticut has no governing authority over it. The New Haven Line in Connecticut is operated by Metro-North under contract to the Connecticut Department of Transportation, which owns that portion of the line (the MTA owns nothing in CT) and while it would be exceedingly illogical, it is possible that CDOT could contract with a different operator, leaving Metro-North to operate its own trains on only the Westchester County portion of the line. Incredibly unlikely, but it illustrates that the MTA is a New York state agency, not a Connecticut one.) oknazevad (talk) 02:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Good point. CT isn't really a naming problem; it's more like disambiguation is not really needed for this article. epicgenius (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Personally, I think the reasons stated prove otherwise. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 12:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
      • A hatnote from here can go to Metropolitan Transit Authority, though. epicgenius (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose, for the reasons stated by oknazevad. Furthermore the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority was once called the Metropolitan Transit Authority. If anything, the only redirect that should take place is Metropolitan Transportation Authority → Metropolitan Transportation Authority (disambiguation). ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support MTA (New York) to MTA. The MTA has operations and owns cars and equipment used in New Jersey and Connecticut through Metro-North. It doesn't matter who owns the tracks and stations, so long as the MTA operates in those states. I also support moving Metropolitan Transportation Authority to Metropolitan Transit Authority. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 16:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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