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Welcome

Please leave me a message below, if you're so inclined. Nandesuka 20:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD that needs sensible closing

I am writing in reply to a message I recieved. I am not spamming in 'Fairy'. The links are links to wikipedia like any other. I consider it unfair that you deleted the posts about the multicultural faerie links, and the anthology. Why are you behaving this way? I corrected my initial mistake.

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chuck Cunningham syndrome

Feel like closing this? I'd do so but I added a second pseudo-subpage to the nomination, so I'm "involved."
brenneman 23:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You are clearly insane, as tht is exactly the close that I would have made. Enjoy your pariah-hood.
brenneman 00:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• FYI: Actually TWO of us cited sources dating the term earlier than its Misplaced Pages article. After I found one source, someone else posted a source that was a year older than that. Wryspy 01:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

  Sure. It's clear that the term had been used, but that doesn't make the particular way it was being used in this article (and all throughout Misplaced Pages, incidentally — you wouldn't believe how much I've had to scrub) was not original research. Nandesuka 01:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice job on the AfD. I now note that the Cousin Oliver page now has a long list of examples, and there's a new discussion on its talk page as to whether the article should also include the addition of new adult characters to TV shows! One suggestion is the creating of a new list-article for adult cast additions. Asa01 02:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Lives! Article Chuck Cunningham syndrome has returned. How can that hapen? Asa01 03:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

TTTS

This is fetal hope and along with the TTTS Foundation, we are the only non-medical foundations that support TTTS. Is it possible to move our external link from the bottom to the top or just under TTTS Foundation? We are the only foundation to have the leading TTTS Treatment centers on our board.

Thank you,

Fetal Hope

TTTS Reply

Thank you for your comments. While you have a good suggestion and one we will take up, we do not appreciate the tone accusing us of using Misplaced Pages as the likes of Google. We request the placement only to help save babies lives. If you could save two babies lives today by getting information to a family, would you? We are asking nothing more than being listed in a means that might provide that hope. Most people do not look at the last links, but only the first couple of ones. The other links are medical resources that are on our site and on our board advisory, so we would not be infringing on their placement. We hope you understand this.

Again your suggestion on the text insert about the role of ours and other organizations is important. We intend, with our medical board, to edit quite a bit because the information can be more detailed and some is outdated.

We hope that you appreciate and understand why this is so important. Twice as many babies die from TTTS as SIDS, yet more of the population is aware of SIDS.

We thank you for yor understanding. We are not looking for Misplaced Pages to be an advocacy or a google!

List of Soul Calibur Bonus Characters deletion

Why did you delete the List of Soul Calibur Bonus Characters? Regards, iswatch19 09:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Soul Calibur Bonus Characters deletion Reply

Thanks for the Reply! but why is the article deleted? I want to known more.

Derek Smart

I am considering filing an RFC against User:Supreme_Cmdr due to conduct and persistently ignoring consensus. Would you certify the basis for the complaint if I filed such an RFC? Stifle (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be great, because then someone who is hopefully neutral will take an interest on the page and see how you folks have blatantly abused your authority and with wanton disregard for policy. So go ahead, file it. The more attention his page gets, the more likely it is that someone will step in and sort it out. In fact, I've already sent a strongly worded email to Wales about this.

Supreme_Cmdr 13:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Supreme Cmdr is now ready. Please review, and sign if you agree. Stifle (talk) 00:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I asked JBKramer about this on his talk page. I'm guessing he is referring to the idea that SC is DS. Addhoc 13:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Guessing wrongly as it happens. Addhoc 13:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverting vandal

Thanks a lot for help in stopping that anon user (actually a reincarnation of

I demand a CHECKUSER or phone call

You have implied that I am James Salsman. I am not. Do a checkuser or tell me how to reach you by phone. Peter Cheung = 69.228.65.174 05:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I resent the implication that I merely implied that you were James Salsman. Nandesuka 12:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, I ran "Peter Cheung's" IP through geobytes and it came up in San Fransisco, right by where James lives, but no where near the real Dr Peter Cheung in Texas. I have emailed the good doctor (the real one), and am awaitng a reply. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 03:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I demand a full head of curly hair!

Or, "How to make people cranky without even trying." As anyone whom has ever been in charge of a toddler knows, making a demand that you can't enforce is certain to mostly make the demand-ee cranky. How about asking nicely? - brenneman 05:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

Hi there! question

Why was Encyclopedia Dramatica deleted? What is it anyway? --66.218.12.190 05:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Dramatica

Just wondering, why isn't there allowed to be an article on Encyclopedia Dramatica? It is an actual website. If there was discussion relating to this, could you please point me to it? --Phantom784 01:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. The deletion discussion is |here. Hope that helps. Nandesuka 12:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Alienus sockpuppet

I think this guy is another Alienus sockpuppet: he deleted an entire block of text from Objectivism, Ayn Rand, and homosexuality and labeled the change in the summary as, "sp," which is similar, I believe, to something an Alienus sockpuppet did before. Anyway, this is the guy: user:Aminotene. --Yossarian 23:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alienus

This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is published at the link above.

Sam Korn 15:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This had two articles up for deletion:

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of manga published in English by Tokyopop--Kunzite 18:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Primetime

I'm less certain that user:Gassali, et al, are socks of Primetime. Primetime stopped by my talk page to disavow those usernames, and there are indications that these other users have verifiable identities. They may be just coincidental plagiarists. -Will Beback 21:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Little Late

The pending ArbCom request reminded me to compliment you: your close of the Encyclopedia Dramatica AfD was absolutely brilliant, the perfect sort of finishing touch that leads neutral parties (of which I was one) to see the wisdom in your resolution. The soundness of that close really helped the matter sail through DRV, and I'm sorry if you've been pestered over it by partisans. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Suckpuppet Vandalism

How am I supposed to dispute this? Doctor Octagon 22:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Your request for a 'thesis'

Simple: Mr. Gilliland is written about and has been working in the field of Interaction Design for 10 years, has been a student, worker and contributer to computer science, Carnegie Mellon, the international art world, and has been photographed, appeared in magazines, newsletters and been a part of a University which has over 150,000 alumnus and 14,000 active community members at any one time. In addition to those sheer numbers of possible friends of Herbert Elwood Gilliland III, there are probably a number of people he knew in high school and other situations which could also explain why users of Misplaced Pages who number in the possible 100,000s if not millions could possibly be interested in mentioning someone whom they know is responsible for a variety of activities which are pro-environmental, product-development-oriented, and generally positive contributions to society. He has left an extensive paper trail in both the University and his work, which has been written about by several national magazines and newspapers whose subscription base is rather large. I dispute that he is not-at-all-notable in the fact that he is a scientist and artist and has contributed to high-profile and locally famous (in Pittsburgh, PA) art groups and shows, was once involved in broadcasting to a listener base of 10,000+ (at WRCT 88.3fm) and has also written a popular add-on for Dikumud. Google would be a great way to find him, searching www.cmu.edu would be a great way to find him. His resume is a great way to find out the information I have listed here, and searching his alma mater's paper files and the general web is another example. Since the community of web users is around 90 million it seems very possible that Mr. H. Elwood Gilliland III could be readily accessible via Google.com searches. Not to mention he has already been mentioned in Misplaced Pages in at least two other articles.

Regarding "why those two unconnected individuals would obsessively insert references to same in articles to which he has only the most tangential relevance" -- this is merely your opinion. I think providing insight into a sudden change in GM's manufacturing trends, and providing insight into the lineage of various products and articles, whose historical versions are readily accessible to anyone who uses the Misplaced Pages, are great examples of why two unconnected individuals would want to bring up censored material from past versions, and to create new citations for them which strengthen the argument or shed light onto existing topics, is a fine way of enhancing the Misplaced Pages and in addition is provided for by Misplaced Pages's design.

One might wonder why User:Atari2600tim is so preoccupied with basically censoring information about H. Elwood Gilliland III as it is borderlining on a hate crime since no one is apparantly allowed to talk about H. Elwood Gilliland III or his exploits it appears that anyone who challenges any of these users is obviously somehow circumventing a bias which has been inserted into Misplaced Pages, such as in the case of User:Jakew, a homosexual from Britain who spends almost every single day monitoring and approving or disapproving of contributions to Circumcision based on his own biased sense of what he feels the article should look like and contain. For this reason, anything written on Misplaced Pages should be considered completely biased and probably worthless for citation because of its inability to eliminate bias, despite attempts otherwise such as by mainly providing a variety of special flags and discussion opportunities to the contrary. I believe a policy against allowing citations of Misplaced Pages in literary work would ultimately benefit any academic or research institution, and it is probably viewed as a fairly unreliable source of information.

Are you jealous or something? It seems like you've joined the bandwagon as far as people who wish to shun or otherwise obscure any of his exploits. I am not a "sock puppet" and I feel that the ability to dispute "sock puppets" is obvious an under-developed portion of this service, since I am unable to dispute this with a greater audience than just the accuser and yourself. Adding an element of democracy would be a much better way of solving this problem, similar to jury-trial, since in this case there is no way for me to form advocacy for retaining my user account, other than to attempt to convince you that I'm not, which is unfair but is the established method, even if prejudicial, and thus the one I am following.

I would also like to add that in the course of creating this thesis I discovered that you have put Mr. Gilliland's NiMUD up for deletion. Frankly, I see this as a veiled attempt at destroying evidence of Mr. Gilliland's contributions, and since I have edited the pages and cleaned up a portion of both the NiMUD and online creation article, you will probably use that as some sort of smear campaign against me. That, I would call, manufacturing evidence, since I am clearly free to edit any article which I choose, as is anyone else.

I would also like to cite here Manufacturing Consent, which may be synonymous with your manufacturing evidence.

In addition to these claims, I would like to also return all search results for "Herb Gilliland", with the results pointing to the "other" Herb Gilliland removed by Google.com:

Herb Gilliland :: Portfolio Herb Gilliland heg@andrew.cmu.edu. EXPERIENCE. Media Designer Electrical and Computer Engineering Department Carnegie Mellon University. Supervisors: ... www.madmerv.com/folio/index.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

Amiga Music Preservation - Herb Gilliland - Interview Amiga Music Preservation - Herb Gilliland - Interview - The biggest & most comprehensive amiga music database. amp.dascene.net/detail.php?view=3297&detail=interview - 34k - Cached - Similar pages

Nine Mile Run QTVR Project assistant Herb Gilliland has created a series of QuickTime VR movies which are ... Outside the Wood St Gallery (248kb) Photo by Herb Gilliland. slaggarden.cfa.cmu.edu/qtvr/index.html - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

User talk:Atari2600tim - Misplaced Pages, the 💕 telerama.lm.com (Herb Gilliland) Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.diku Subject: The Isles 1.0 Date: 29 Jul 1994 01:27:06 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access ... en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Atari2600tim - 56k - Cached - Similar pages

Excerpts from Foerlin's Tome of the Realms Written by Herb Gilliland. Dedicated to Chris Cool ... The ideas contained herein are solely owned by the author, Herb Gilliland. ... www.mugs.net/~theisles/isles/foerlin.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

   Stellar Bodies // Celestial object viewer for Java // // Written ...
   Stellar Bodies // Celestial object viewer for Java // // Written by Herb Gilliland - March 2004 // // Compiled using IBM Jikes compiler using Proce55ing ...
   www.mugs.net/~locke/proce55ing/planetarium/planetarium.pde - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

Lydbury Grammar Clinic: sciencology Is there really a word "sciencology"? I'm not able to find any sitations which hold any weight thus far. ---- herb.gilliland@gmail.com. IP IP Logged ... www.lydbury.co.uk/grammar/forum_posts.asp?TID=14067 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Sidebar Web Design by Noel Hefele and Herb Gilliland art and ecology. slaggarden.cfa.cmu.edu/sidebar.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

Programming Grant C. Carrington, Herb Gilliland, Guy Letourneau, Hank Reinhardt, Edd Vick. Michael Cassutt, James C. Glass, Larry Lewis, Kathleen Richardson ... www.cascadiacon.org/programming/ - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

The Arthur C. Clarke Foundation The other judges are Greg Bear, Joe Haldeman, Yoji Kondo, Elizabeth Moon, Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, Spider Robinson, Stanley Schmidt, Herb Gilliland, ... www.clarkefoundation.org/news/052204.php - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

User:68.162.128.9 - Misplaced Pages, the 💕 Google for Pittsburgh PA Herb Gilliland and result #1:. Herb Gilliland 241 N. Dithridge Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412)726-2403 ... en.wikipedia.org/User:68.162.128.9 - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

Network Archives \ Processing 1.0 (BETA) herb gilliland 07 Oct '04. kaleidoscope Alcys 07 Oct '04. Genetic TSP tatsu 06 Oct '04. 3D Clock (needs Jsyn for sound) Salam Daher 05 Oct '04 ... www.processing.org/exhibition/network_page_7.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

On September 18th, 2003, I met with Electronic Arts Recruiter ... 2002: Escape Online by Martin C. Martin, Herb Gilliland, and others Now take a look at 2004: Screenshots of URBZ: Sims in the City by Maxis www.urbz.com ... www.madmerv.com/urbz/ - 2k - Cached - Similar pages

Rhizome.org: Project Club Allison Bruce, Ziva Borlja, Peter Coppin, Herb Gilliland, Stan Jones, Minna Långström, Martin C Martin, Jean-Nicolas Vandelac, James Yang, Platform Digital, ... rhizome.org/object.rhiz?3331 - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

ART 62425 Interacive Ancient Egypt Herb Gilliland (MUDD), heg@andrew.cmu.edu. Sheila Halter (Archive), shalter@pghmail.com. David White (Flash), knave@sgi.net ... planetjeff.net/VAE/html/courseInfo.html - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

As well as all relevant results for Herbert Elwood Gilliland III:

Mad Merv Real Name: Herbert Elwood Gilliland III web programming and graphic design work My Interests: Computers, Video Games, Music, Art, Engineering and Activism ... www.madmerv.com/frames_1.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages

Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Young Zaphod ... Entire content of article was "Markus Greene was a fictional character in a science fiction tale of survival written by Herbert Elwood Gilliland III in 1994 ... en.wikipedia.org/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Young_Zaphod - 48k - Cached - Similar pages

Chris's Home Page ... no other explanation possible. Herbert Elwood Gilliland III - An old friend; I haven't seen him in a while. He has cool ideas for games and stuff. ... www.watson.org/~tesla/friends.html - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

Doctor Octagon 22:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for demonstrating my point that there are no reliable sources — in the sense defined in WP:RS — that assert that Herb Gilliland is in any way notable. Nandesuka 23:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Octagon's userpage vandalism.

Here, if you haven't seen it yet. Ehheh 00:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Trolling

You are clearly going out of your way to provoke by making the most pusilanimous personal attacks. Stop. --Tony Sidaway 12:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Your characterization of my comments is, quite simply, false. A better example of a personal attack would be this edit, where you refer to a fellow editor (apparently) as "utterly barking mad". Nandesuka 12:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

My mother always used to say, 'if you can't say anything useful, don't say anything at all'. Perhaps everyone involved in this might reflect on her words of wisdom. --Doc 12:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right, Doc. I shouldn't have gotten involved. Consider it droppd. Nandesuka 12:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 (talk) 12:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Derek Smart Talk Page

Please do not delete my "Fan Page Link Textual Description" section heading on the Derek Smart Talk Page and replace it with your own section heading. I would like to discuss the status of the Werewolves link as a link to a fan page. The section heading is meant to make this clear. There are other sections in the Talk Page where they discuss other concerns about the page(libellousness, BLP, EL, etc). AddHoc originally deleted my heading and replaced it the section heading "==Discussion about including potentially libellous link==" and I requested on his talk page that he not do so. 75.30.203.153 15:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You are discussing the werewolves link. The discussion is precisely about how to characterize that link. It's inappropriate to assume the conclusion you want to reach in the heading. Nandesuka 15:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, The section is specifically discussing the werewolves page as a fan page - using Misplaced Pages's definition of a fan. There is already a heading "Wording of the werewolves link" discussing other aspects of the Werewolves page. I'll change the "Fan Page Link Textual Description" to "Fan Page Discussion" - that will differentiate it from the preceeding "Wording of the werewolves link" heading, while keeping the fact that the section is about discussing the Werewolves link as a Fan Page link, but without any appearance of assuming a conclusion.

Photos

I am intrigued, because I looked at them, and I didn't see anything that said to me they'd been photoshopped. And if they had, the person doing it needs a retraining course. But could you pick one and say what the most obvious area(s) is/are, so I can have another look. Tyrenius 01:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You'll find the most obvious spot-heals in Image:Womaninspandex.jpg. Compare that to the "facial" photograph and the touch-ups should be obious. There are others, as well, but that's the most readily noticeable. Nandesuka 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry I didn't realise you'd left it here. Unfortunately it seems not even admins can get to deleted pics, unless you know a way. Are you referring, for example, to the hair on the left hand side of the picture? I had a camera for a short time that did that kind of thing - processed it to remove noise and ended up removing detail, particularly in hair. I'm not arguing a point. I'm genuinely interested in such matters. On some of them (now deleted) they just hadn't touched up blemishes which I'd normally expect to see vanished. The compositions have no slickness in them at all, and pro porn is usually very slick. There's random ugly bits of background intruding. There isn't any decent lighting there at all, as far as the results reveal. And in one facial a highlight on the shoulder is so over-exposed it's whited out. Cropping on the black bodice one is non-existent. She's surrounded by redundant space. The most I can imagine is a self-taught amateur who puts them on a pay site to get some money (lots of that kind of stuff around and some of this kind of quality), which then makes nonsense of putting them on wiki for free. It's a strange world. Tyrenius 03:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Herb Gilliland's vanity stuff in NiMUD and Online Creation articles

Thanks for pointing out where his anon IP block is owned by his university and all that, on the second nomination for deletion of NiMUD. For some of the earlier sock puppet stuff a few months ago it seemed like I was the only one who even looked at it, and there were enough request for checkuser with my signature on 'em that I kinda felt bad asking for more and more checkuser requests every time an admin suggested he might be multiple people. I'm glad someone else other than me is able to recognize some of the more obvious and blatant stuff like that. So anyway, thanks. --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 14:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoops... sorry

Hi, sorry about repeatedly wikilinking the bare month on the Fairchild Channel F and ColecoVision pages... force of habit! I gotta stop that... --Ecksemmess 17:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Ivan Tyrrell - AfD

You closed the AfD on Ivan Tyrrell but left the AfD notice on the article and did not put the AfD closure template on the talk page. I have removed the AfD template from the article but think that the summary on the Talk page needs to be done by you. If I have missed something (always likely :-) ) please put me right. BlueValour 20:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Publicgirluk DRV

Hi,

I have a minor objection to the manner in which you closed this. Jimbo did not invoke jurisdiction in his off-hand comment; he simply expressed an opinion. Personally, I dislike it when editors "read the tea leaves" of Jimbo's remarks as if they were scripture. If Jimbo wants the DRV to end, he may close it, or say "close the DRV." Short of a direct command like that, his opinion is no different than anyone's, and may be less significant than others, given the number of things the man has on his plate, and the probable lack of time he has to invest in little squabbles. Anyway, I don't object to the closing, but I consider it done by you, under your own authority, just like any other DRV closure by any admin. I'm removing the reference to Jimbo, and I hope you understand why. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

As per what Xoloz said, I am highly tempted to unblock the user and may do so soon. If Jimbo thought the user should be indef blocked he should have done it himself. (At this point, I must say that I am highly disappointed in the general behavior on the Wiki about this. The user had multiple productive edits to topics completely unrelated to sexual matters and didn't act trollish at all. Contrast this for example with the crap with Courtney, an actual troll (who is amazingly unblocked at this point)). If the user chooses not to edit at this point, or edits unproductively it will be (in my mind at least) completely understandable. JoshuaZ 22:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have unblocked the user per my above comments. JoshuaZ 22:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have restored the block, even though I am not in favor of it. I have been having an email conversation with Jimbo regarding this situation, and I regard it as unambiguous that under the present circumstances he intends that this user be blocked. Dragons flight 23:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Doctor Octopus

I'm a bit concerned about this comment. Surely he has the right to see the evidence against him? --David Mestel 15:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Why? He's not asking me to "show him the evidence." He's asking me to "prove it," which is an entirely different ball of wax. Presumably, if I actually did post the relevant logs on his talk page, his next complaint would be that I'm unethically releasing personal information about him. So it's really a no-win situation for me if I attempt to "prove it" to the general public. That's why I offered to show the information, in confidence, to admins that are concerned about the issue.

He doesn't need to see the evidence, because he already knows that I'm telling the truth about who he is. Nandesuka 16:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that like saying that someone accused of a crime IRL doesn't need to see the evidence against them because, according to the prosecution, they "already know" that they are guilty? It would be perfectly reasonable to ask him to give consent to the logs being posted. --David Mestel 21:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages isn't a government, and we're under no obligation to play nice with those who would abuse the encyclopedia. Nandesuka 00:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

But it's just someone whom you accuse of abusing the encyclopedia - you've shown no concrete evidence why we should believe you. Why not just file an RFCU to sort things out? --David Mestel 06:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

As I've already noted, not all Checkuser requests go through WP:RFCU. Out of curiosity, have you actually looked at this user's contributions? Nandesuka 12:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry accusation

I think you should post a sockpuppet report and let things flow normally. Without another admin to investigate, he does have a point that he cannot respond to that. Posting a sockpuppet tag and not following through with the report that may incriminate or exonerate him is not really fair. Thanks -- Avi 18:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm already pursuing this through private channels. Not all sockpuppet check requests go through WP:RFCU. Nandesuka 19:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

NiMUD on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of NiMUD. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Doctor Octagon 18:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC).

There is a request for Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Nandesuka, please do not remove the tags until the dispute is settled. Doctor Octagon 18:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Violation of 3 revert rule

There is no overwhelming majority on the talk page, yet you continue to revert this page. Clearly in violation of the Three Revert Rule. As such you are ask to stop, further continuation will result in reporting to WP:AN/3RR.Jigahurtz 20:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

If you believe I am in violation of the 3RR rule, then I encourage you to report me. Obviously, I believe that I am expressing the clearly-expressed consensus from the talk page. Nandesuka 20:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

There is in no way such a consensus. I see three users supporting you, and one of them seems to be doing it due to a previous dispute, not for your reasons given.Jigahurtz 20:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, I disagree. Nandesuka 20:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

How do I contact you, Nandesuka .. I am curious about why you welcomed back James Salsman on the depleted uranium page -and why don't people have e-mail contact points .. - rhelbig AT calif (ornia) dot com.

Please refrain from removing content from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Xbox 360. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Jigahurtz 04:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

If you believe that editing an article in accordance with the overwhelming consensus on the talk page is vandalism, then I encourage you to file an RfC. Nandesuka 04:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: PS3 / Xbox Hardware "list"

I just posted a small note in the article talk page of PS3. I will try to stay in touch with the article, but I am terribly busy with other two WikiProjects, and dead tired. Remember that, if we can't agree, we can always request a straw poll at the CVG WikiProject to determine whether the articles should have literal copy/paste of specifications or converted into prose, even if losing "exact" information. -- ReyBrujo 04:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Massiveego situation

Nandesuka, incivility and personal attacks are one thing. Wheel warring another. Obviously there is dispute on this matter, so I'd ask you to please reconsider your re-re-block of Massiveego. What good is this serving? How does 'punishing' him, on grounds which clearly do not follow policy, make him likely to be a better Wikipedian in the future? You disagree with and are angry with me... that in itself is a good reason not to act, but even if you are absolutely right wheel-warring to get your way is bad for Misplaced Pages. --CBD 12:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Reversing administrator actions is not wheel-warring. We do it all the time and should. Taking administrator actions you know are disputed (whether reversing or initiating) is wheel-warring. Regardless of whether W.marsh's removal of his block was a "tantrum" as you say or not... his initial block was itself wheel-warring... and even had it not been, your re-instatement of a block you knew to be disputed would still be wheel-warring. The point is to not use your admin buttons to enforce your viewpoint when you know there are going to be admin objections / no consensus has been established. --CBD 14:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

"A wheel war is a struggle between two or more admins in which they undo another's administrative actions." That's from the very first sentence of WP:WHEEL, which sets out very clearly what wheel warring is and is not. Hope that helps. Nandesuka 14:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was way down on the fourth sentence, "Wheel wars occur when administrators get too distressed to discuss something, or when an administrator takes it upon him or herself to undo another admin's actions without consultation, or deliberately ignores an existing discussion (often at WP:ANI or WP:DRV) to implement their preferred version." --CBD 16:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Lordkazan

Hi - it seems that while I was making a complaint here you were busily blocking him. You may wish to comment, or if you think the matter's dealt with, delete the complaint. I just wanted to let you know. Jakew 14:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)