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What is going on?

I came on here to figure out where she was actually from, and was shocked by this article. I can't figure out for the life of me, why it is so extensive. This person's influence is limited, and will probably be nearly forgotten in a decade or two. Can we whittle it down to what is actually relevant in a encyclopedic historical context? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.51.146 (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

But on the other hand she has one of the largest amounts of archived talk pages of any WP articles - and the article has often seemed to be (and remain) a bit, er, sanitized by her fans. Did you get the clue? ;) 83.254.154.164 (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Yep. Still another reason to reduce all of it.Jimmuldrow (talk) 00:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

The 'See also' section

I'll be adding the 'See also' section, with one bullet item. Guidelines are that main items in the body of the article do not have a 'See also' entry. With this in mind, when her 2016 run for the presidency is dominant the 'See also' entry about her positioning can be removed. Feel free to add other 'See also' references to other pertinent WP pages not linked in the body of the article. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Once again, all I see is an offhand remark to a reporter being deemed a "news story", and hence being used to justify "evidence" of a candidacy where no other evidence exists. Hey, everyone, I declare myself to be a candidate for the Silly Party nomination for Archbishop of Canterbury. So, if I con a "reliable source" into publishing such a "fact", does that mean that I'm allowed to bludgeon Misplaced Pages with it and ignore all evidence to the contrary, or do those rules not apply because I'm not Sarah Palin? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm... I wonder how desperate some editors are going to be to avoid acknowledging the existence of that, to the point of making it appear that WashPo is all of a sudden not a reliable source because they ran a piece which isn't complimentary. Particularly relevant to the point I've been making are the following: "Still others expressed concern that the GOP is damaging its own prospects by treating Palin as though she is doing more than promoting herself and her various ventures" and "As for her presidential ambitions, Palin said she was merely answering a question lodged by a 'pesty reporter while I was promoting my Sportsman Channel show'". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Section = 109 BLP articles labelled "Climate Change Deniers" all at once. This article was placed in a "climate change deniers" category. After discussion on WP:BLPN and WP:CFD the category was deleted. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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2016 presidential campaign and Trump endorsement mostly gossip, trivia

The whole "2016 presidential campaign and Trump endorsement" section is mostly gossip and trivia. The fact that she endorsed Trump is, i guess, relevant, but reporting on *speculation* that she would be the vice presidential nominee? Then following it up by claiming that Ben Carson is somehow a surrogate for Trump is absurd and not backed up by the source cited. The back and forth about her and Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are all minutiae that have no real place here. Perhaps there is some page about Trump's presidential campaign that this could be worked into but here its just trivia. I am going to offer a new edit that cuts to what actually matters. Bonewah (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Sophieloeb (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC) unnecessary detail regarding Palin's spending on a private chef.

Sophieloeb (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)185- Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol, comment is a bit random in the whole theme of that paragraph regarding Palin's VP race.

Environment Section

In the environment section of her political positions It says she was against "cap and tax." That should be "cap and trade." "Cap and tax" is a idiotic rhetorical device that opponents for carbon pricing use to describe cap and trade. There are no taxation going on in cap and trade. Please change this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.107.145 (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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