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Problematic adds to list of Moors

Several of the people listed as "Moors" never identified (or were identified as such) during their own lives. Per wikipedia policy, we should not decide for them. I have removed Abd'l Rahman I (who identified himself as a member of the Umayyad dynasty from Syria; in other words, he was an Arab by self-proclamation) and the historian al-Qutiyya (who self-identified, as anyone with minimal knowledge would be aware from his name, as an Islamicized and Arabized _Goth_ ). Please stop doing OR and reverting to false identities. Duedemagistris (talk) 18:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Cite policy, please. As far as I know the policies surrounding self-identification come into play on BLP, not articles about long-dead historical figures. Pinkbeast (talk) 01:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I just want to add I don't care about your new message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 09:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Change in the lede

I removed the discussion of Sicily in the introduction as the sole reference given directly contradicts the text; the hyperlink does _not_ refer to Moors but to Arabs conquering Sicily. (The same problem exists elsewhere in this article; people explicitly identified as Arabs are, in the article, given as Moors; probably the entire Sicily section should be removed without proper citations).Duedemagistris (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Usual interminable discussion as to whether the Moors were black

Pinkbeast (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

the real truth wiki does not want to show about the Moors being black! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZm4PRhfNg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

So this afrocentrist youtube channel is your reference ? --Aṭlas (talk) 17:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

your eurocentric and eurocentric shalors have has caused more harm to black people. Eurcentics have lied more often in the past let me know when you want exmples. I would like for you answer why you have removed my links. Also, why did you remove other people comments on the matter? What gives you the right to remove what they have said the only thing you're proving that your racist and bias,It was the white that goes around and says that black people have no history. In america they have killed black based on skin color how much more history— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 13:03, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Eurocentrism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 13:31, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

So where is your references for this Black moors ? --Aṭlas (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Please don't ask, we get walls of text from fringe sites, etc. Doug Weller talk 19:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok --Aṭlas (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

So why did you remove my comments a links? why did you remove my youtube link with a what as your reasoning

Why did you remove my links/ I thought you were an educated scholar? I wonder did you look at the those links? One link is from google it self. Yea the moorish coats of arms with so many black people heads why is that? why did you remove my link with a catholic priest talking about saint benedict the moor who was black?

I didn't. I moved them under their own subheading on this talk page because they were not pertinent to the heading you put them under. Earlier discussion has been removed by ClueBot, a bot that removes discussion when it seems to have come to an end. It does so without regard to the content. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

I have added tons of links on the subject of Moors here and I have asked questions you so called scholars failed to answer. But you're too racist to under stand that. There are links I would have loved to posted here could fill this entire page sources why because of this subject I research a lot and don't get paid for it. White people and Arabs who have destoryed black people lives and history with the muslim slave trade and transatantic slave want to me and afro-centric? White people and Arabs have a history of black racism. To back up my comment I will add these links here as proof to back up what I say is true and your have no credibility with your comments towards me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Bz9Cl4zgI&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhx5OHfekk&t=0s

The famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?”

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/06/201362472519107286.html

Doctor John clerk about how white people told black people we have no history! White people who invented the lie called the bell curve so they can kill and blame black people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DPr0JRn0KQ

Just to prove That I could fill this page about Moors I want to add this link here where I have filled the youtube comment proving how black the moors were. At Christmas time when you're with your family I am busy researching and learning about the Moors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Xnc8ijkrA&list=PLqIKEFH3xg-5wdq9X2awaeSUXNHqtO9dE&index=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 14:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Is that all you could do ? youtube links ? afrocentrist youtube channels ? You've disappointed me.--Aṭlas (talk) 16:25, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

First, your previous posts were not removed; they were archived (see links at the top of this page). Second, rather than fill the page with links that are not of use here, please review the policy on reliable sources. YouTube videos, editorials, and "google itself" do not qualify. It would also help if you would learn to sign your posts (add four '~' marks after your comments) so that we can tell when one comment ends and another starts. You could also make a coherent argument, rather than simply railing at people for being racist for not watching the videos you link and crafting the argument for you. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I have removed the IPs last posts, this is not a place to call ethnic groups racist. If there are academic sources discussing racism and the Moors, ok, but nothing else. Doug Weller talk 17:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

who are you to tell me what isn't and who isn't racist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 18:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Besides being a very experienced editor, I'm an Administrator and an elected member of the Arbitration Committee. But I'm not telling you who is or who is not racist, I'm telling you not to use Misplaced Pages to attack an ethnic group as racist. Doug Weller talk 18:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

well I'm calling you out for mod abuse and my experience on wiki has been nothing but abusive. I also notice on a lot of black people subject wiki has been acused of racial bais so I am not the only one.

I have another question are you making fun of my grammer skill? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

What exactly have I said to make you think that? Doug Weller talk 18:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

However, if they were "threaten off of wiki" (sic) because they "don't agree with wiki on moors!" (sic) they should report this in more detail, so the threats can be dealt with. Pinkbeast (talk) 17:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I was mistreated on wiki since the very first-day proof the proof is found in the wiki archives notice my questions and then crossed out comments. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Moors/Archive_2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC) I was threatened off of wiki the first time and I was threaten off of wiki again.

The crossed off comments have nothing to do with you. That was a sockpuppet of a blocked editor, who we blocked when we discovered him and struck out his comments, which is routine. Doug Weller talk 19:11, 31 October 2016 (UTC)No but what that person said to me when I was asking those questions were indirectly offensive to wards black people and very racial. I also want to say that there isn't enough black moorish pictures on the subject. If it wasn't for me wiki would still been telling people Moors were white people and moors means white people. I also was made fun of because of gammer!

It was me that asked the tought questions and got wki to put black images of moors. If it wasn't for me wiki would not have put them there. One more think Jesus wouldn't have been white either Torah is based on Black African fairy tales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xrzFVNVFmu4/USEirDBJDJI/AAAAAAAAqmU/HnQqIA5qkLE/s1600/ausetherutomaryjesus.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 19:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC) I have seen tons of european images of black moors where are they talked about and where are they found on wiki? you people call your self scholars and can barley answer my questions? The very word moor means black and was frist used by the romans! The Moors predate Islam and show me where arabs call them self a moor please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

And more attacks - this time on Jews. Don't believe everything you see on the web. The use of words changes but in any case the Latin word for black is 'niger', which is where the word nigger came from. Again you've been misinformed. The article doesn't say that any group called themselves Moors, read it again. The term we are discussing was mainly used during the Middle Ages, not before Islam. Doug Weller talk

how this an attack on jews please torha take place in africa Egypt is africa! what is a the uv ray chart for that kind of enivrment? egypt is hot country that means your going to need pigmentation to survive there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

According to the torha the sons of ham ruled africa and the middle east or what was once the horn of afria http://kukis.org/Doctrines/genealogies/land-of-ham-and-shem-map1.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I would like you to show me proof of the exdous for me plase as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyMpuTL8Ow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5JnnWvgRjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpSoaj8hfQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0s2n6CQno4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.32.138 (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

don't think the Exodus was real I do think the Torah is Jewish, and true or not calling it a fairytale ale looks like insulting zjrpews. But I give up now. That web site is fringe nonsense and useless, far from anything we'd use as a source. And you will find plenty of groups that e We don't call black living in those temperatures all over the world. If you search for images of Berbers wow will find complexions and hair color can be light or dark. But your link to the Kuki site proves we are wasting our time with you. Doug Weller talk 20:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

explain these links here for me please, in fact explain all the links I just gave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G6D8itOfBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGqrcp-NsLM

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