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Hope your not too busy...

I saw you had some recent trouble on WP:AN/I, so I hope you're not too busy to help an ex-admin, admin-hating, user. I've been blocked on my current account under the most ridiculous of accusations, for 48 hours no less, for merely stating my case on WP:AN/I and insisting sources be cited. I'd appreciate an unblocking so I can start an RFC, but if you're reluctant to help out the infamous... I understand. -Freestylefrappe

You've gathered quite a following, CBD. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the assisstance thus far. Unfortunately, the version you have reverted to on Vicente Fox has vandalism on it - some anon inserted "blah blah blah." Before I am blocked again, please either provide an email or email me at danofalltrades7@hotmail.com. I have some diffs I'd like to show you. I know I'm not supposed to evade a block, but since my talkpage on User:Ya ya ya ya ya ya is protected I have no way of conversing with you. Please unprotect that so I can communicate with users. I promise to remain as civil as can be expected given the circumstances. Regards, Freestylefrappe/Republitarian/KI/Tchadienne/NOBS/Republitarian (freestylefrappe 20:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC))

Quenya on Misplaced Pages

Hey CBD!

Since you have Category:User que on your userpage, I thought perhaps you'd be interested in expanding the test Misplaced Pages in Quenya, located here. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 06:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion about accountability of admin behaviour

Re : I would say an RfC would be best to proceed. I will countersign it if you decide to go for it. --Ligulem 09:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Just to note that I believe your view of the matter is correct. I don't buy that "don't criticise an admin's action". If I see how cases are handled by the ArbCom some admins would possibly be surprised how their behaviour would be taxed by the ArbCom. But I have no intention to blow this thing up either. I just don't like double standards. Anyway, time will tell. --Ligulem 16:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Just for your information. Pschemp simply deleted my notice on her talk (prerequisite for an RfC). Just in case you reconsider the RfC later. I made my opinion. --Ligulem 16:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"block people for things they are doing themselves"

See, quotes like that are really not good. They really do equate long-time administrators with simple troublemakers and trolls. I know you don't have much gratitudude for what we've done, but it still hurts the project to try to drive away the people who actually contribute to it. --W.marsh 14:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Might I suggest that your time could be better spent on something other than tracking my contributions in search of things to complain about? Various admins involved in this dispute blocked for incivility and personal attacks while themselves engaging in incivility and personal attacks. It is thus unfortunately not I who equate them with "simple troublemakers and trolls" as you put it, but rather their own actions. You are entirely mistaken in your accusation that I here "try to drive away" people. I don't want anyone to leave. I just want them to understand that their actions are also going to "drive away the people who actually contribute". You know. People like Tobias Conradi? Or Masssiveego? Shouldn't we be trying to encourage them to positive action rather than deteriorating the situation further by insulting them? I have criticized you, made you angry, and crossed the line of civility as this argument has gone on and for that I do apologize. But I sincerely believe that it would be better for all involved if my 'fellow admins' would examine just how 'beneficial' to the encyclopedia their actions in these instances have really been. --CBD 15:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Meh. I do hope that some day you can see all admins, even yourself, are guilty of "abuse" and personal attacks by your standards, and that chastising them over a single incident while defending troublemakers and turning a blind eye to trolling really, really makes productive users feel bad. But I guess we're really never going to agree on this. See you around. --W.marsh 15:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

For the record, CBD, I totally agree with your point on AN/I that admins just shouldn't get by with making personal attacks because they are admins. It doesn't matter if they "contribute heavily" to the encyclopedia: rules are rules, and should be upheld no matter what status the user has. I'm saddened that the post was removed from AN/I because I think the message was a good one: no one should make personal attacks. These standards aren't particularly high, so I'm not sure why the message was so poorly received by some users. The bottom line is that calling someone a troll repeatedly is a personal attack, and personal attacks never make the encyclopedia better. I wish you much luck in your campaign to get users to just be more civil to one another. Firsfron of Ronchester 19:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)