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Regarding Koenraad Elst

I am trying to contact him and have contacted some of his associates to that effect. Please suspend discussion on this topic and monitor the users who are trying to defame him until I can get him to respond, either directly or through me. If you are as non-partisan on this issue as you imply then you should have no trouble providing the benefit of the doubt. Thanks.Netaji 23:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Discussion can be suspended, and I will monitor the use of his name. Please, however, it would be best if when you approached Dr. Elst or his associates, you did not say that he was being 'defamed', but stated the problem as blandly as possible. Misplaced Pages does not need legal problems. Hornplease 23:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

199.64.0.252

I've looked a bit at this user's contribution history, and there does seem to be some long-term trouble -- however, there are also a few constructive edits, which suggests perhaps multiple people are using the IP address. There haven't been any edits for the past 1/2h, but I'll keep an eye on it. You can also report issues directly to admins on this page: WP:AIV, and they'll be able to look at it right away. Cheers, Marysunshine 23:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Problems

Give me a good reason for why you follow me around on Misplaced Pages and try to undo every edit I makeBakaman%% 15:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic Cleansing of kashmiri Pandits

If you are serious about accurate representation of Kashmiri Pandits then assist me in improving the s--tty article on the topic, as well as on Terrorism in Kashmir.Netaji 20:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Savarkar

Hi - I appreciate your advice. Do review the article and give your comments - I haven't finished adding refs. You don't have to fight trolls/POV warriors by yourself at all times - they'll be defeated at one time or the other. Don't make it personal. Rama's arrow 16:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

There will always be trolls, but our main purpose is to build an encyclopedia. Rama's arrow 16:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't vandalize Calif Textbook article

Don't spam links to irrelevant garbage sites or dead links or I'll report you.Netaji 18:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Holywarrior has not edited the page in recent history. He has only ranted in the talk page. You have added a bunch of links that lead to dead web pages. Plz check them. I will assume good faith on your part that thiswas unintentional and am removing the blatantvandal tag. ok? Check your links for dead pages.Netaji 01:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Probably the result of a revert or re-inserting references following the tabbed browsing bug deleting the end of an edit. I havent inserted any new references in that article for ages. Hornplease 02:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Please discuss chowk.com article edits

Please discuss your recent revert/edit in the talk page:

here Thanks. Netaji 00:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Basic Structure

I am afraid your understanding of the Minerva Mills case is in error.

1. Article 368(4) of the Constitution was itself inserted into the Constitution by s.55 of the Constitution (Forty-Second Amendment) Act, which states 55. Amendment of article 368.- In article 368 of the Constitution, after clause (3), the following clauses shall be inserted, namely:-

"(4) No amendment of this Constitution (including the provisions of Part III) made or purporting to have been made under this article whether before or after the commencement of section 55 of the Constitution (Forty-second Amendment) Act, 1976] shall be called in question in any court on any ground.

(5) For the removal of doubts, it is hereby declared that there shall be no limitation whatever on the constituent power of Parliament to amend by way of addition, variation or repeal the provisions of this Constitution under this article.".

2. Therefore, although you have said that a part of the Constitution itself can violate the Basic Structure of the Constitution, this is incorrect. 3. It is the Amendment Act which violated the Basic Structure doctrine. 4. Secondly, Minerva Mills has nothing to do with President's Rule. It is do with nationalisation of Mills without compensation (hence Article 31-C of the Constitution).

I have changed it back and made it clearer. If you have a problem with this please state it on the Talk Page for the Basic Structure Article.

If you wish to read the Minerva Mills case, you can do so on judis.nic.in

In relation to the Basic Structure, it is best not to trust Seervai as he was always opposed to it although it is now recognised as the Law in India.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.176.79.94 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 31 Jul 2006 (UTC)

2002 Gujarat violence

Please see my proposal at Talk:2002 Gujarat violence#Proposal for informal mediation from Bcorr. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Wendy Doniger

I would like to help you, but I'm not sure that I can. There seems to be a limited number of Misplaced Pages editors with academic training or standards, and a large number of folks from various pressure groups who insist on enshrining their POV in Misplaced Pages. To a disproportionate degree. We seem to have more than our share of Hindutva.

Unfortunately, my academic training is in Polynesia and I've devoted most of my self-teaching time, of late, to early Islamic history and ancient Persia. I'm not up to date on Wendy Doniger; I haven't read any of her books.

Plus, I'm having a hard time finding a balance on Misplaced Pages, between caring so much that I lose my temper and exhaust myself, and not doing anything at all. It's hard to believe that the sane editors will eventually wear down the idjits. It seems that the project amounts to educating the whole of net-connected humanity. As a Buddhist, I swear to save all beings. It's possible that this is one way of keeping the Boddhisatva's vows, but it's a hard hard path. Zora 07:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Several users have expressed concern over my block nomination of several college a cappella groups. I would like to apologize for causing a medium-sized ruckus on the AFD page and thereby wasting the time of several excellent contributors. I see now that this was an ill choice for a block nomination. I'll be relisting most of the articles individually as soon as I can double check the list.

In addition, I would like to apologize to you personally for my unecessarily crass and apparently pointless reply to your comment. Again, please accept my apologies. savidan 17:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your note of apology, its rare to encounter that sort of politeness on WP. For what its worth, I think I can understand your motivation here a little. I looked at your userpage; I too for my sins have to spend a great deal of time on the sort of campus where at certain times of year a million a capella groups spring out of the ancient woodwork to sing last year's hits at unwary passers-by. Fall is coming, and every gracious colonnade and awe-inspiring staircase will be crowded with a bunch of kids in tuxedos harmonising happily at me. I dread it. Hornplease 05:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with my alleged personal distaste for a cappella and more to do with musical groups using Misplaced Pages for self-promotion. Perhaps I should propose a new notability guideline: "If no one who isn't a member of your organization would be motivated to (or able to) create an article about it, it's not notable." I think I'll just focus on deleting in-line links to where you can buy their albums for now. savidan 05:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

A useful mental guideline, but I think a little too subjective to be actual policy. Still, I'll keep it in mind. Hornplease 05:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Mahesh Pathak

Well since he is now not the collector of the city, the article can be deleted. But a collector's role is important, and not a minor one. The office of the collector does appear in the papers many a time, so they are notable while in office. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Mani Shankar Aiyar

Hi just noticed you edit on Aiyar.Firstly his own Lok Sabha entry shows his address as Sainik Farm.The ntry is there in the article.The reference to Sheila Dixit came from SUNDAY magazine and Press Council adjudication against him.The willing slave bit was in Rajat Sharma's TV programme Aap Ki adalat. and the bit about Chidambaram was his utterance in Karan Thap

Here is another link http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20001123/nation.htm#4

Regards(Vr 07:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC))

Kirit Shelat

Only persons of Indian Administrative service can become Secretary, Energy Department. He may not have been a direct IAS recruit. He would have been conferred IAS Doctor Bruno 15:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I am fairly sure secretary of the Gujarat energy dept has to be IAS. Certainly the secy of the Bengal energy dept is not. Hornplease 07:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain it a bit _Doctor Bruno_/_{E Mail} 12:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

vandalism

Please do not remove content from Misplaced Pages. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. On the Witzel page, my comments were not even aimed at Witzel , , I was attacking the theory. I will report you unless you reinstate my comments.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think its quite clear what its aimed at. Please read WP:BLP. If you wish to 'report' me, feel free. I think a discussion of the applicability of this new policy is in order anyway.

Also, please refrain from misusing vandalism templates.

Hornplease 07:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Its aimed at "western scholarship". If you wish to misrepresent my comments and then lie, thats your problem.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It is fairly clear from the context that you are referring to a particular western scholar, namely the one you are discussing. Please realise that I do not need to 'lie' about this, as the records of the page are publicly available, and linked above. If you do not learn not to be unduly aggressive nobody on this project will take you seriously. Hornplease 23:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No actually I never aimed it that way. FundyWatching will also make nobody on this project take you seriously.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Did you not read what I said after you used that term on the page you link to above? I have no idea what it means, and neither, I'm sure, does anyone else. Do try and modify your words based on the feedback you receive, if you do indeed read that feedback and understand it.

Further, if you never meant it that way, I am glad, and since I continue to assume good faith about your actions, I believe you. However, it sounds like you did, and certainly most people proficient in the language reading that will believe that you did. Hence I think it's still covered by WP:BLP. Do take it elsewhere for an opinion if you disagree. Frankly, I just want talk pages to be a bit more WP:CIVIL and if WP:BLP will help enforce that, I'll enforce BLP, however little I agree with it.

Hornplease 05:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Mani Shankar Aiyar

Thanks for your note.I was going to do as you suggesyed but am confronted with a familiar problem:Ashprakash who is either Aiyar's relative or a Tamil diehard(I speak as an Aiyar Tamil myself) is upto his tricks again.I very nearly got into an edit war with him as he believed that Aiyar was one of the best things to happen to Tamils despite his conduct which goes against every grain of Tamil decency I know and kept on vandlising by including terms like Brilliant and well eductaed and deleting even the referenced negative bits.You can see the exchenges I had with him.He has deleted the entire controversies section.As you are an administrator I should like you to look into this please.Thanks(Vr 06:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC))

I'm not an admin, but I'll see what I can do. Hornplease 07:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Indian nationalism

you might want to check the indian nationalism page...Kennethtennyson 02:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that you double-check any source cited by Shiva's Trident/Subhash bose/Netaji or whatever name he's going by these days.

He has a history of citing sources that don't actually verify his statements.

In fact, I would recommend that you demand page numbers so that you don't waste your time reading the whole book.

Remember, "the obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it."

In other words, you have one of Misplaced Pages's three official content-guiding policies on your side, so feel free to ignore whatever bullshit accusations of vandalism Shiva's Trident and his meatpuppets may throw at you.

Regards,

CiteCop 13:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I believe you said that he can be cited with qualification. Bear in mind that he (Elst) is notable enough from the point of view of wikipedia to have a wikipedia article on him. He can be quoted with qualification.Shiva's Trident 08:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

First, an article on WP doesnt mean in itself that he is a reliable source. David Irving has an article.

Second, even if he is cited, which I am coming to doubt having read some of his stuff since the discussion, at most he can be cited with qualification in articles specifically about Hindutva, Hindu nationalism, etc etc, which is self-professed area of expertise, and as a representative of a viewpoint that some believe is unfairly excluded from mainstream academia. An article on Indian nationalism has to have more mainstream citations, especially since we shouldnt have any major POV issues there. (I still dont understand why you need to cite him at all; please reconsider the entire drift of that article.) Hornplease

David Irving is frequently cited with qualification in articles about Holocaust Denial (Irving is a holocaust denier). As far as Indian nationalism is concerned, You may have a point abt citing him. It's just that he is the best ref I couldfind regarding the connotations of Nationalism (something that any well-educated Indian can anecdotally confirm).

I find it a bit offensive that you choose to attack Indians on Indian Nationalism, but don;t extend the same treatment on Pakistani nationalism.Shiva's Trident 08:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, the point I was making about Irving - who I know is a holocaust denier, thanks, that was the point - was that he would be cited in a holocause denial article, or even a holocaust article, but not (perhaps unfortunately, as his other work on Nazism was done with access to archives since unread) in more general articles about WWII.

As you say, about the connotations of nationalism, I couldnt say for certain. I will just say that if you cant find a ref that seems justifiable, set it aside, make a note, keep looking, and reintroduce the text when you find one. WP isnt going anywhere.

Finally, I didnt even know that Pakistani nationalism existed. I know about this article because I was around when Nirav created it last year and set it aside for cleaning up when I had time. The Pakistan article seems to have appeared last week. I think its a little unfair for you to be offended under those circs, dont you think? Hornplease 08:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Specially since the Pakistani Nationalism article should, in my opinion, be effectively replaced with a redirect to Two Nation Theory.Hornplease 08:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Church of South India

The source is somewhat shady, but it does deal with the church of south India . The COSI also has bishops. I'm reinstating the info. Bakaman _Bakatalk 15:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hornplease/monobook.js

Please fix your monobook.js file. It's currently showing up in Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion. I suspect it may have something to do with the string "db-" in it. --  Netsnipe  ►  17:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I concur, I came here to say that myself --- Deville (Talk) 23:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think one of your codes are the soure of the problem. Please see this diff, many thanks. --WinHunter 06:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

re User:Hornplease/monobook.js

This page is appearing in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, although there's no speedy tag or category on the page. Do you want it deleted, or what? You can just blank it if you want. Herostratus 05:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixing this now. Thanks, and apologies. Hornplease 08:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism in Robert Vadra

Please refrain from removing content from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Robert Vadra. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Enjoy the Boston Tea Party aand not the Vandals' Revelry. I assume you are not a sock puppet of the Indian National Congress. ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 17:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)