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Khuzestan

Dear Heja,

I appreciate your attempts to counter Zereshk's Iranian nationalist slant in the Khuzestan articles. I spent months trying to get Zereshk and Southern Comfort (now gone from Misplaced Pages) to admit other POVs, but since it was one against two, I always got shouted down and out-reverted. (And threatened and called names ... )

If you have the determination for the long haul, I think that together we could make the articles more inclusive. I am totally over-extended on Misplaced Pages (working on various Bollywood and Islam-related articles) but I will see what time I can make. I have been intending to do rewrites for a long time -- frex, the article on Sheikh Khazal is terrible, and contains claims refuted by a PhD dissertation I purchased.

Please keep in touch. Zora 19:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Heja,

Thanks for contributing. I dont have much against what you have put in for the time being. I will read your sources in Iranica when I find the time, and make any amendments, if necessary. But it would be good if you could fix the sentence structure and grammar of your sentences for now. Phrases like "it is interesting to know that" arent very standard in encyclopedia writing because it gives the sentence a heavy subjective color. The rest is fine, except for a few pieces which I will slightly fix. For example, although it was mostly a Islamic vs non-Islamic thing, and the lines were heavily blurred during and even before the conquest like you say, but we must strive to keep a sense of balance and refrain from leaning too much to any one side. There is a plethora of Arabic text describing the conquest events in an Arab vs Persian way. Yet I tend to think the Persians were more upset about the religious aspects of things. The racial discrimination aspect came on a bit later. So I do agree with what youre saying basically.

Also, please keep in mind that Zora is an anti-Persian racist. I hate to put it that way, and she will deny it of course, and she will email you in private to tell you all sorts of things about me and how "nationalist" I am and what-not. But it is true: She supports Arab separatists and her entire record of editing on Misplaced Pages has been against Iranian culture and history: to minimize its significance, to dismiss any contributory aspects. She even denies the existence of "Persian culture". Initially she started pasting material out of the British al-Ahwaz friendship secessionist website, and declaring it as factual. Then she engaged in an edit war with us claiming that Iranians had no historical connections with "Arabistan", trying to sever all ties of ancient Khuzestan to current Iran. She engaged this war on several fronts (for example on the Elam page she desperately tried to portray the Elamites as "non-Iranians").

She will vehemently deny all Im telling you now, but her record says otherwise. There are so many quotes from her that I can show you. She is truly one of the most original Persian haters I have ever seen. Even when me and other Arab editirs are collaborating on making pages, she still insists on keeping the flames of hatred alive.

However, unlike her, I support Arab causes as well as Persian ones. You can take a look at the number of pages I have composed or edited on promoting Arab history and culture as well. e.g. Arabs intermingled culturally with Persia extensively. So they are not entirely distinct. However, for the case of Khuzestan, it has become a ground form Irano-phobists to attack Iran.

She is basically echoing Michael Ledeen's calls for the breakup of Iran inorder to "observe the rights of Iran's ethnic minorities". When people who know nothing of Iran's culture advocate such destructive policies, then yes, I become highly defensive. If she was truly after the rights of minorities, she wouldnt be calling Shias (another minority group attacked by Zora) as liars, and constantly try to suppress them.

The al-Ahwaz propaganda movement is an unfortunate brainchild of Saddam and Gamal Abul Naser's nationalist policies. It is thus the opposite: Zora is the one who is a pan-Arab nationalist. I am simply defending against her antipathy against Iran.

Best wishes.--Zereshk 23:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Zereshk, no matter how many times I tell you that I am against nationalism of ANY kind (including American), it doesn't penetrate. If I don't think the Iran-related articles should contain only a Persian nationalist viewpoint, you assume that I'm an Arab nationalist. How I could be an Arab nationalist when I'm an American of Scandinavian descent and live in Honolulu truly passes human understanding. Zora 03:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank goodness your record of editing is there as evidence. I suppose British colonialists that support Arab nationalists truly pass your understanding as well. The fact that you openly dont even recognize Persian culture speaks volumes.--Zereshk 16:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Zora is Arab. Race and language and born place are not important, even Britis can being Arabs by supporting Arabs. As Hitler was originally Austrian and Alexander(your great) was originally Macedonian, Zora is a racist.additionally no one of you know Arabs better than me, I'm living in Khouzestan, Arabs in Khouzestan want more and more and nothing can be enough for them, they even want to regain Spain and then France, they proud to al-quade and other terrorist groups in Eraq, Israel, and Afghanistan, they're against human rights, they know only the force not the rights, and why Zora is supporting them? Answers: Zora is Arab.On the other hand, Zora loathe nationalism, why Zora believe that nationalism is against globalization and peaceful living of different ethnics together? if she\he really lives in west, it's possible to find both nationalism and respect to immigrants at same time, and also we Persians never tease anybody, 1400 year ago Arabs attacked Persia. Arabs also trying to outbreeding Persians, every Arab family have more than 8 children.Sasanjan 07:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Kurdistanica

Wow, this sounds like a really fascinating source... I wonder if it sheds any more light on this article Wives aboard the Ark? ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 23:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Kurdistan

Hi, Hêja. I'm having trouble with a number of Turkish editors who keep removing Category:Kurdistan from articles on provinces of Turkey. Do you think it would be possible to compromise with a category called something like Category:Kurdish areas? I only ask because I'm fed up of the abuse I'm receiving from these editors. --Gareth Hughes 14:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Kurdish people

Hi, thanks for paring down the list on Kurdish people :) - FrancisTyers 18:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject

Hi again, would you be interested in starting up a Kurdish, Kurdistan or Kurd related WikiProject? - FrancisTyers 22:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Ajam

Slaw, ew katet bash!

Please help me these Ajams are vandalising this page.

Hi Heja helweda.

I explained for Diyako that there are a lot of sources regarding Kurds call Iranian people as Ajam.[I found this one! It's in Ajamish language.

Mesopotamia 14:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Adiabene

Hi

First of all, romans called Adiabene for Assyria, secondly those who lived there called themselves as Syrians readSyriacs, And if you want more information about Adiabene please read adiabene. Queen Helena was one of the first who converted and she was a Syrian

Kurdistan Category

Hi,

Please notice that the Kurdistan term is officially recognized in Iraq/Iran. However, I do understand your view on the Kurdish inhabited areas of Turkey, since the term Kurdistan isnot recognized there. Please kindly leave the Kurdistan category in the Kurdish areas inside Iraq/Iran unchanged. Thanks.Heja Helweda 07:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

You will have to cite sources for exact boundries including those provinces to a kurdistan. Do not ask me or anyone to leave any subject alone. No one owns articles. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. Content you provide MUST be verifiable or it will be removed. --Cool Cat 11:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan category

Hi again, Thanx for reply. Here are some official links,

Cultural Heritage Organization of Kurdistan Province in Iran(Local Branch of the Iranian Cultural Heritage Organization)

Contact Info.

Habibi avenue, Imam Khomeini street, Sanandaj - Iran Tel: +98 871 2255440,2264440, Email: info@kurdistanmiras.ir

The cities in this province Sanandaj, Saqez, Marivan,Baneh, Kamiaran, Ghorveh, Bijar, Divandareh, Sarvabad.

Kurdistan region in New Constitution of Iraq

Iraqi Kurdistan covers the provinces of Dohuk, Arbil, Sulaimaniya: Information&SiteID=3 Kurdistan Regional Government (Arbil/Dohuk Administration)

Kurdistan Regional Government Representatives Worldwide Worldwide&SiteID=35

Sulaimaniya in Global SecurityHRW report on Iraqi Kurdistan

Sulaimaniya

Heja Helweda 19:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I wont accept any random tagging of region or provinces with kurdistan as its borders are loosly defined. However:

1. Iraqi Kurdistan as you put it is just borders of KAR. you are welcome to suggest it being the borders of KAR or however Iraqis put it, do not mark it as a part of the great kurdistan.
2. Kurdistan is any region where kurds happen to live, its borders cannot be drawn artificialy. This really is inaproporate. The tagging as you are doing means the province is a territory of a kurdish state. Do not use categories to jigsaw a country out of the blue. I cannot comprimise in that area I am sorry.
3. We just dont mark pages like that with categories even if borders are defined this is like saying california is a blue state for voting democrat majority. I however dont mind a Categoy:Kurdish inhabited regions or something along the line. I still would need citation on its borders.

Why not write about kurdish culture etc rather than competeing over this? I am sure there is more about kurds than their nationalism/seperatism etc... I am beeing blunt but I think I have to.

--Cool Cat 19:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The issue is currently under consideration whether to delete or keep it and people are voting on it. With all due respect, one person can not decide on the content of Misplaced Pages. Until a democratic decision is declared on this matter, it cannot be deleted. Again, the name Kurdistan does not imply a country or independence or anything like that. About Kurdish inhabited Regions, that's again something to be voted upon. Majority of Kurds don not like such a term the same way that you do not like the term Kurdistan. The borders of the three provinces(Arbil, Dohuk and Sulaimaniya) in Iraqi Kurdistan are well defined and they are governed by a state (KRG), its official name isnot Kurdish Government but Kurdistan Regional Government. The name of the province in Iran is not Kurdish province but Kurdistan Province. I amnot pushing any POV, these are the simple facts on the ground. Heja Helweda 19:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. The categry will eventualy go away I can assure you that. Pov categories such as that one eventualy get deleted or get renamed. Name kurdistan is a declaration of a country as far as I care, usage of an alternative naming for whatever you are trying to convey will not have any resistance from me. KRG is not the legitemate successor of the historic Kurdish nations mentioned on wikipedia. I dont care what the province is called. I wont swallow the establishment of a kurdistan on wikipedia. If you strictly want to talk about areas where kurds are living do so and dont call it kurdistan (aka land of the kurds). I am not alone in this. Use alternative naming please. --Cool Cat 20:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

With little effort you can get me banned from editing articles related to kurds and kurdistan. I am under mentorship and my mentor can block me if you think my edits are disruptive. If your intention is to simply to get me banned form the articles pelase mention this to user:Tony Sideaway. If you are however interested in creating wikipedia articles that are not intended to infuriate people such as myself I am more than willing to offer my cooperation. --Cool Cat 20:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

First of all, take it easy. It is not a matter of life and death to me. I did not say KRG is legitimate or not, as many Assyrians agree with you on this matter, I just said it does exist, take a flight to Arbil to see it for yourself. Kurdish inhabited areas are called Kurdistan and that's not my POV, it is KRG's POV. Contact them to change their name. About the province, if you don't care, why do you care about the word Kurdistan? I told you, I'll keep Turkey out of the matter and I agree with you on this. But for other areas, there is concrete evidence on the use of the name. We are not here on Misplaced Pages to decide or change the realities on the ground, just to report them. Heja Helweda 20:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not willing to discuss this. Category kurdistan is unacceptable. --Cool Cat 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

From Classic

When I started Kirkuk's article it was objective and especially the well known personalities from Kirkuk, you keep adding insignificant people to the list ..I am from Kirkuk I 've never heard about farhad shakaly and kazal, are they your freinds?? please quit the habit that section is only for very famous people in Kirkuk's history Classic 971 12:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Anon comment

An anon (User:69.196.139.250) came by and posted the following on your user page. I moved it to this page:

What are you views on Kurds in Iran? Do you agree with the fact that Kurds are an  Iranian ethnic group? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.139.250 (talk • contribs) 

History of Khuzestan

Please see Zora's ignorant comments against me on Talk:History of Khuzestan. She attacks any sources other than her own unpublished dissertation (from a Persian, which itself is filled with errors) and continues calling me a "Persian nationalist." Our disagreements aside, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the history, so your input would be much appreciated. I would like to get as many other editors involved since I am tired of this nonsense - it's been going on for almost a year. SouthernComfort 08:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish flag in Iran

Hi, if you had time please cheque this.

Thank you very much. Diyako Talk + 19:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. but the problem solved. User Tombseye corrected it. Diyako Talk + 20:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ew katet bash

Hi, You know Arabic? This reference explaines disputes on the Kurdish origin, also shows that most of them confess Kurds have non-Iranian origion. Iranian origion is only one of several hypotheses.

Diyako Talk + 18:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

It is not a hypothesis that Kurds are of Iranian origin it is a reality. It has been the traditional explanation of Kurds themselves that they are Aryans like other Iranians and also scholars, so do not try to repain the Kurdish identity with your claims that Kurds and Jews are one race. 69.196.139.250 00:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

rojbas

Rojbas heval, i have created a new babel userbox für the kurdish wikipedians.

here is the link

This user is a Kurd.

enjoy it KureCewlik81 01:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Correction

Just a minor correction, I couldn't help but notice that on your user page, it says "I have initiated the following articles". The correct English in this context is "I have started the following articles". ;) --Khoikhoi 06:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Kermanshah

Hi Heja helweda, Maybe there are sources in English too, but here is the official website of Kermanshah province, which clearly says Kermanshah province is part of Kurdish-inhabited areas of Iran. :

استان کرمانشاه از مناطق کردنشین سرزمین ایران است Diyako Talk + 09:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Assyrians and Kurds

I believe in Independence for both people.

Kurd-related stubs needing attention

• Kurdish blogs
• Ibrahim Pasha Baban (actually, this isn't even a stub yet)

Also, please consider adding a Kurdish Babel tag to your user or talk page (see Category:User ku. --Joe 23:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Your contribution

Many thanks for your contribution to my page of translations. :) - FrancisTyers 00:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Please, spare me the slander attempt

Saying that you hate Iranians is not a personal attack. It's a fact, plain and simple. And it can be verified by the several users who have complained to me about your anti-Iranian edits (all of them Iranian). Your hatred is so evident that even Iranian Kurdish users are against you on this.

Nice try.--Zereshk 02:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is unfortunate. I have Kurds in my family. My aunt is from Sanandaj. She is the sweetest. The level of anti-Iranian hatred you exhibit actually hurts many Kurds. Iran is their home.--Zereshk 02:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Respect the truth. It is okay to want a seperate Kurdistan, that is free will but by fabricating information and trying to re-write and create a false history with your Israeli allies is only victimizing the Kurds themselves. Kurds are an Iranian people and there was a time that the ancestors of the Kurds, the Mede were the most widely recognized people of Iran and people called all Iranians, including, Persians by the name Mede. You are helping rape Kurdish culture and truth and you are well aware of it. Have you no shame?

I am of some Kurdish background and have been raised with Kurds so please stop fabricating about Kurds. Especially, in Iran where they are treated better than anywhere else. Where they were always allowed to speak and write Kurdish or where there is Kurdish radio and broadcasting. Let me ask you where did Kurdish refugees originally go? Always Iran before Europe and Cyprus. You push false ideas like Kurds are not allowed to learn Kurdish in Iranian schools but you play with the truth. Kurdish is not funded as part of the public system, but there are Kurdish private schools. You never bring up the facts that Iranian Kurds are traditionall the most educated of the Kurds......you only spit propaganda!

So we both agree that Kurdish is not funded as part of the public Education system. Thanx.Heja Helweda 02:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

You can add any info about the Gilaki articles you want. As long as mutually opposing sides are BOTH represented on any page, I have no problem at all. I'm not an ethnically driven bigot like you and your twisted friend. Go ahead and post any evidence. I'll post evidence as well. Let the reader decide in the end.--Zereshk 02:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't like personal attacks. In fact difference among people should be appreciated in order to promote tolerance. Gilakis may have a different tongue than Persians but that does not mean they can not live together in peace and harmony. Heja Helweda 02:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

What are you so enraged about?? I see your edits on and off Misplaced Pages. You have quite a hatred against Persia and Iran. A bigot by definition is someone who is "obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices". Im sorry, but that is exactly the behaviour you exhibit. Youre obsessed with trying to downgrade and debase Iran in every possible manner and article. What will you say next? That Achaemenids slaughtered Kurds? Or how about "Isfahanis speak another language and have been oppressed".

In case you havent noticed, your editing pattern is pretty obvious.

Celebrating differences is one thing. Promoting racial antipathy whilst separatist agendas is another.

Dont like the name bigot? Well tough. Then change your attitude. I have a list of 10 people that have complained to me about you.--Zereshk 03:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

This is the fourth time. About bigot , One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. Where is my intolerance?. I take that as a personal insult. Moreover, I don't hate anybody.Heja Helweda 03:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Every Iranian editor is insulted by your Iranophobia. Leave us alone!--Zereshk 04:18, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

YOU ARE MAKING FALSE INFORMATION UP & KURDS ARE ETHNIC IRANIANS

Respect the truth. It is okay to want a seperate Kurdistan, that is free will but by fabricating information and trying to re-write and create a false history with your Israeli allies is only victimizing the Kurds themselves. Kurds are an Iranian people and there was a time that the ancestors of the Kurds, the Mede were the most widely recognized people of Iran and people called all Iranians, including, Persians by the name Mede. You are helping rape Kurdish culture and truth and you are well aware of it. Have you no shame?

I am of some Kurdish background and have been raised with Kurds so please stop fabricating about Kurds. Especially, in Iran where they are treated better than anywhere else. Where they were always allowed to speak and write Kurdish or where there is Kurdish radio and broadcasting. Let me ask you where did Kurdish refugees originally go? Always Iran before Europe and Cyprus. You push false ideas like Kurds are not allowed to learn Kurdish in Iranian schools but you play with the truth. Kurdish is not funded as part of the public system, but there are Kurdish private schools. You never bring up the facts that Iranian Kurds are traditionall the most educated of the Kurds......you only spit propaganda!

Hi

have you read this? Diyako Talk + 20:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I would appreciate if you take a look at the page of the Baloch. The article is one-sided and promotes pro-iranian perspective. Please if you have time take a look after that. I have explained the reason in the baloch talk page. Thank you very much. Diyako Talk + 17:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

SHADDADID

BTW, you can see my page on shaddadid coins on :

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/armeniannumismatics/

and then here:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/armeniannumismatics/shaddadids.html

Persian people

Thanks for your help in that article. I didn't want to be explicit and suggest that Persians are genetically mixed (I don't like talking about these stuff), but to somehow suggest that some unknown "Aryans" moved into Iran more than 2,500 years ago and that they have since remained isolated from the rest of the region is just historically, culturally, and linguistically absurd when you look at modern Persians. Regards, Aucaman 21:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Semitic-Turkic people

regarding the page Persian people (the Farsis) some people who are totally biased even remove valid and well-cited text from pages in the name of Vandalism. They are among the most racist people. It's against wikipedia policy. The modern Farsis are a semitic-Turkic people. We should prove this to the world.Mesopotamia 22:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Al-Khwarizmi

Hi Heja, I want to thank you for your info input to the Al-Khwarizmi article, regarding The Arab settlements in Khwarizm. Jidan 03:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

You have been reported to administrators --Kash 14:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

rojbas

thank you for the link. it is very interesting. have recieved my userbox for kurdisch wikpedians? another question. wher are you from and what exactly is the meaning of your nick name? see you KureCewlik81 22:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

The ethnic group template which is wrongly used in the linguistic article of Iranian peoples is too odd. It is not needed and certainly should be removed. The template is only for ethnic groups like, Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians not Speakers of linguistic families. What's your idea? Thanks. Diyako Talk + 01:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Do NOT add information before talking in the Iranian people's talk page. --Kash 01:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Your research

I believe your research belongs to Kurdish people, please state how Semitic these people are, and very strangely speak Iranian languages which must have been forced to them among much of their Iranian-like culture, by the Iranians, thanks --Kash 02:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

3rr Violation Warning

Please be forewarned that you are about to violate the 3rr policy in the Iranian people article, and perhaps elsewhere too.Zmmz 02:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing Privilages Warning

Hi, please know you have submitted numerous amount of writting in many, many discussion pages that relates to an article; Misplaced Pages is not a chatroom. Please know that according to Wikepedia`s policy, in good faith I have to warn you and any other user before I report them to an admin for violating any of the policies. Over-excessive writting in these discussion pages may be grounds for a temporary, or a permanent block. That would be up to the admin in question.Zmmz 01:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Arabs of Khuzestan

Since you helped add sources to the Khuzestan article, please see Talk:Arabs of Khuzestan. Those sources are being questioned by Zora (as usual). SouthernComfort 13:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Minorsky

Dear Heda,

Do you have book on Shaddadids by Minorsky? It is very good. Regards, (Hetoum 22:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC))

Welcome

Youre very Welcome.--Zereshk 04:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Perry article on Bani Ka'b

Heja, do you have a copy of the 1971 Perry article on the Bani Ka'b? SouthernComfort is citing it, but he hasn't read it and neither have I. He says that either you or Zereshk introduced it as a reference. It's possibly out of date, but I'd like to see what it says. You could post the article on my talk page, or email me a PDF, whatever. Zora 08:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Roj bas

I am glad to see the effort you are doing to cover Kurdistan related issues on Misplaced Pages. However, there is still a lot of work to do. One urgent article to be written is about the Demokratik Toplum Hareketi, which still doesnt have an entry. Please dont let you be knocked down by the unpleasant nationalist remarks you get, and I hope you dont answer back in the same way. Oh, the reason I came to your place was because of a little confusion. On the article about the city of Wan, the city is also referred to as Tushba. is that zazaci or what?? Could you please have a look and sort it out. Bertilvidet 21:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian people

Keep an eye on this article and make sure they don't remove the dispute tag. Aucaman 06:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurds in Turkey

The first Kurdish woman ever to serve in the Turkish parliament, Zana took her parliamentary oath in 1991. But when she insisted on speaking Kurdish, Turkey was outraged. She and three other lawmakers were later barred from the assembly. Then, in 1994, she was jailed for alleged ties to Kurdish separatists. Over 30,000 people died in the early 1990s, when Kurdish rebels fought for an ethnic homeland in south-eastern Turkey.

In Iran the Kurdish representatives took their oaths in Kurdish. In Iran there are Kurdish Universities. In Iran Kurds are a respected part of society and never seen as outsiders. In Iran there are Kurdish politicians and cabinet ministers. So why are you targetting Iranians (from Persians, Kurds, and Lors to Georgians, and Armenians, etc.). Iran is a multi-ethnic state and the first recognized multi-cultural empire and state even in history.

It is ironic that you named your-self "homeless (Kuridsh:helweda)" in context of a missing Kurish state, but many homeless Kurds have always been invited and taken into Iran as fellow Iranians. Don't forget or deny it. Before the rest of the world knew the story of the Kurds it was the various households of Iran, learning via Easter/Old Kurdistan in Iran, generations ago that shed tears for their ethnic kin and their struggles.

Even the founders of pan-Iranian movements were Kurds.

THE MISNINFOMRATION AND TWISTING OF FACTS BY USER:ACUMAN AND YOU IS VERY SAD AND WRONG.

69.196.139.250 19:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurd stub

Have you seen?

• Misplaced Pages:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurd-politician-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdish_politician_stubs

--Mais oui! 06:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi hewal

Hi, I would appreciate if you edit or add information to the article Newroz. Spas, Newroz pîroz be! Diyako Talk + 11:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Chunni?

Newroz piroz be!

I would like to further know on what grounds you have taken the liberty to empower yourself to change the definition of Aryan. I also want to solicit you in concerns to your qualifications as a subject expert. Do you have a formal degree or are you working on any form of post-secondary or certification in these subject areas? I will be giving an in depth testimony on Kurds and I want you to critique it as I want all editors to do so likewise. I merely ask you to be objective. I have read your work while analyzing your comments, discussions, and input. It seems to me that you are part of the Kurdish Diaspora either in the United Kingdom or North America and that you have been raised outside of Kurdistan naïve of its true nature. I could be wrong, but I believe you are most probably a refugee or the children of refugees from Western Kurdistan, most probably Turkey, but with a minute chance of Syria.

In conclusion I am taking this space to offer my mediation and intentions to you for reform of the Kurdish articles. Although I believe it will be a very minute chance that I will make everyone happy, I will try my best, but that is not my goal or objective. My objective is to form a practical, accurate, and concise Kurdish related field of articles that are neutral and factual, which they are not. Manik666 08:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Aucaman, Diyako, Heja helweda, Muhamed

You may want to comment on it. --Cool Cat 13:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Mutual aid

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board

I have set up a notice board to give collective support to those facing racism, nationalist bigotry and group intimidation while editing articles related to Middle Eastern issues. There are a growing number of people who are coming across the same problems with the same users, but are outnumbered and over-ruled. It is plain and simple bullying. They are being turned off Misplaced Pages because of this behaviour. I hope that we can all support each other.

The title is "Hurriyya", which means "freedom".--Ahwaz 17:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board

Ibn Khaldun

Keep an eye on this article. Aucaman 20:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdistan

Hey Heja! You made a comment on Talk:Kurdish Turkey that as far as I can see fits in the context of the discussion 'what articles to tag Kurdistan' on Category talk:Kurdistan. Maybe you could copy/paste or cut/paste it there? Cheers, --Hippalus 20:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamic conquest of Persia

I was just directed to some recent edits you made on this page, and I just wanted to let you know that you've been coming fairly close to violating the 3 revert rule a couple times, so I just wanted to make a friendly suggestion. In my days in wikipedia, I've never once seen an argument resolved when it's taken up in edit summaries. So, if you put something on a page and someone reverts it, you might want to try asking why and supporting your version on the talk page before anything else. --InShaneee 02:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Please try and keep a cool head, despite comments people may make against you. Personal attacks and disruptive comments will only escalate a situation; please keep calm and action can be taken against the other parties if necessary. Your involvement in attacking back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors, and lead to general bad feeling. Please try and be civil. Thanks! (CJ) Computerjoe's talk 09:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

My apologies if this, in anyway, has offended you. I was simply reading up on you, and I read at times you are incivil. Sorry! Computerjoe's talk 08:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Mazandaranis

I've actually heard that the CIA did this on purpose as to lower the number of ethnic Persians. I know it may sound weird, but for example, you'll also notice that even though Burma changed it's name to Myanmar quite awhile ago, they still use the old name there. Anyways, I think we should wait at first before making changes. I'm going to ask some other editors when they get online. Also, "Mazandaranis" only gets 397 Google hits, which makes me think that it's not that common of a term. --Khoikhoi 04:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Safavids

Usually, it's always safer to keep references to books because links usually have a lifetime of only a few years, if not less, before they are broken or moved or erased. Books however are permanent record. So it's good to have both, especially that they are not exactly the same author and source.--Zereshk 22:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Zoroastrians among Kurds

Hey, I believe you know Kurdish and Persian? well if you believe that there are no more contemporary Zoroastrian Kurds can you tell me what this guy is talking about then?

On this page the audios: Persian and in Kurdish.

Let me know about your opinion, Kash -- - K a s h 22:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I know a Zoroastrian Kurd through a mutual friend whom I have to talk to about this -- - K a s h 10:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right - I'll talk to him. --Khoikhoi 02:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Evidence of Compromise

H, can you please go here, and see if you feel like leaving a short comment there?; it is very important to me. ThanksZmmz 09:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Şehrîbana Kurdî

Here is an image for her article. --ManiF 04:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

It belongs to kurdishmagazin.com, you can either contact them and require permission or use it with a mention of the source, under fair use policy. --ManiF 04:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Persian people#History

Could you take a look at the first sentence in this section? It claims that Persians are descendants of some "Aryan tribes" migrating from Central Asia. Sounds like outdated racial theories to me. The same source (Britannica) says Persians are of mixed ancentry, but when I try to add this in people remove it. I don't think this is consistent with WP:NPOV. Could you take a look at this and leave some feedback on the talk page? Thanks, Aucaman 07:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Zoroaster and Kurds

Hi Heja. :) I'll have a look, would you like me to mediate the dispute? I'll promise to be neutral. —Khoikhoi 07:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

"Qualifications"

Regarding this edit: Misplaced Pages is a 💕 that ANYONE can edit, regardless of their skills or qualifications. Please show some respect to these other users and work with them to build consensus, rather than turning them down outright for reasons not valid here. --InShaneee 02:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I see what you meant. Yes, that does seem like a problem. If it continues, you might want to consider opening an RfC on the article (or maybe just on the issue of that source) to get some outside input into the mix. --InShaneee 20:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar award

		The Barnstar of High Culture
		I hereby award this barnstar to Heja helweda for impressive work on articles about Kurdish poets. Conscious 19:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Great work! And a quick note: it is generally discouraged to add an article to a category and its subcategory. For example, if you add some article to Category:Kurdish poets, you don't need to add it to Category:Kurdish people, Category:Poets, Category:People and so on. Conscious 19:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/In many languages...

Thank you for the Kurdish translation --Cat out 19:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you also provide the dialect? --Cat out 20:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples

I didn't add that to the article as I agree it's racist. Ever since it became a featured article and then was put on the main page as the 1000th article, a lot of people have been coming in and arbitrarily changing it or criticizing it constantly and making changes that I frankly don't always think are accurate or fair. Lots of nationalist crap too that I and others have to keep reverting. It's a shame because I think the article won't remain a FA for long given this type of notriety and the behavior of people who think they can insert things often without any citations whatsoever. Tombseye 16:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Hêja,

It was apparently added by User:Mani1 after it became a featured article, but I've just undone all of his changes, as they appear to be controversial. Hope that clears things up. —Khoikhoi 17:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, what did you think of the rest of it? BTW, I recently saw Marooned in Iraq, very good! (but sad) —Khoikhoi 17:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, that one is in Turkey, right? —Khoikhoi 18:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

OK

Ok, I agree with your suggestion. Look at this article : India and click on the star in the upper right corner of the article. What do you think if we nominate the Kurdish people article and Kurdistan article for good articles. They are sure among the best written and cited articles of whole of the South Asian-related articles. Jalal.

Silaw

Silaw héja, sebaret bew risteyey axir wa xistewe ser Kurdish people, wabzanim tewawi ew sheru helayey ew farsane le ser ew risteyeye ke alerjiyan pey heye, zor rune hemu care keye lay deba. Ewane xoyan zor pe zile, nabe biley kes le beramber dagirkari ewanda rawestawe. Ba yan ley beyn yan ewey ke be coreki di binusinewe. Wirya 19:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hakan Özoğlu paper

Hi, I received your message. Yes, it would be kind if you could send a PDF copy to my e-mail address with the same username as here. cretanforever@mynet.com. Do you have Sherefname in electronic format (and in English) by the way. Regards. --Cretanforever 14:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

POV issues

Please kindly discuss your concerns on the Talk page, so that other editors also become aware of those issues. I believe we can address and resolve them in a constructive manner.Heja Helweda 20:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Negative, I do not consider myself objective enough to determine neutrality. The template requests review from a neutral and uninvolved party and should stay untill such a person stumbles upon. --Cat out 20:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Do you know any neutral editor who is willing to help?Heja Helweda 20:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Well If I asked people I knew, there is a risk that they would lean toward my views as likely they would ask me for input. I want the review(s) to be impartial. --Cat out 21:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Turks

Silaw On original Turks see my comments in my user discussion page. Thanks --Ali doostzadeh 22:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Why?

Why you think we should have a Syrian Kurdistan? Don't we have already one Kurdistan? Why we should divide that into several parts? If this is about a geographical area and not a certain people, then it should (or must) be redirected and merged into the Kurdistan article. Jalalarbil 23:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish title of Turtles Can Fly

I took it from IMDb thinking that since it was a Kurdish film that the title would be Kurdish. Thanks for fixing it. gren グレン 02:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Heja, In my viewpoint except a small portion of Kurds in northwestern Kirmanshan, other Kurds living in that province are not Kurds rather than kurdicized Iranian tribes who lived in neighbourhood of Kurds. Ironocally these so-called semi-Kurdish tribes have been a mean of misunderstanding Kurds, so that many Iranians misunderstand them with Kurds. I belive that this should be either removed or be clarified that they are not Kurds.

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 17:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)