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Banned User (specifically meaning me)

Yes, I'm banned, which is supposed to mean I'm bad. Ba ba ba bad to the bone.

Banned apparently forever, because I'm supposed to be just that bad.

Bad not for reasons that apply to any other Misplaced Pages article, but insanely and extremely to this one.

Respectable citations are a minus, not a plus here. So are all the other things that Misplaced Pages claimed to endorse when this began, like including things that are well known, well documented, and so forth. Those things get you banned here.

Endless mass deletions with never any explanation or discussion of any kind are good here. As in, mass delete, mass delete, mass delete, mass delete, mass delete of material with all kinds of cited sources with no reason of any kind ever given.

I don't know of any other article in Misplaced Pages that works that way. It's not that everybody in every article feels that way about my contributions, just this article.

Even the few who tried to explain didn't try sanely. As in, verbatim word for word quotes from Palin were someone else "saying terrible things about her", which was very strongly felt and made less than no sense, and so on.

I know people have different opinions, but I never thought of censoring anyone because of an opinion. With every other article I've been involved with, it's possible to talk to and work with people with all kinds of different opinions. I don't know why this one is so different.[

At least I didn't get any death threats, so some people are even more extreme than Palinistas. But still ... ] (talk) 04:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

What is going on?

I came on here to figure out where she was actually from, and was shocked by this article. I can't figure out for the life of me, why it is so extensive. This person's influence is limited, and will probably be nearly forgotten in a decade or two. Can we whittle it down to what is actually relevant in a encyclopedic historical context? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.51.146 (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

But on the other hand she has one of the largest amounts of archived talk pages of any WP articles - and the article has often seemed to be (and remain) a bit, er, sanitized by her fans. Did you get the clue? ;) 83.254.154.164 (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Yep. Still another reason to reduce all of it.Jimmuldrow (talk) 00:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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2016 presidential campaign and Trump endorsement mostly gossip, trivia

The whole "2016 presidential campaign and Trump endorsement" section is mostly gossip and trivia. The fact that she endorsed Trump is, i guess, relevant, but reporting on *speculation* that she would be the vice presidential nominee? Then following it up by claiming that Ben Carson is somehow a surrogate for Trump is absurd and not backed up by the source cited. The back and forth about her and Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are all minutiae that have no real place here. Perhaps there is some page about Trump's presidential campaign that this could be worked into but here its just trivia. I am going to offer a new edit that cuts to what actually matters. Bonewah (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Sophieloeb (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC) unnecessary detail regarding Palin's spending on a private chef.

Sophieloeb (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)185- Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol, comment is a bit random in the whole theme of that paragraph regarding Palin's VP race.

Environment Section

In the environment section of her political positions It says she was against "cap and tax." That should be "cap and trade." "Cap and tax" is a idiotic rhetorical device that opponents for carbon pricing use to describe cap and trade. There are no taxation going on in cap and trade. Please change this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.107.145 (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Done. --Malerooster (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

You should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Good work, Chief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.107.145 (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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