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The Rambling Man
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Request concerning The Rambling Man
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Jusdafax (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- The Rambling Man (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 1/21/17 Despite recent warnings not to edit in an insulting way, TRM has once again violated the spirit and letter of his sanctions re: WP:ITN with his declaration that those opposed to his views in opposition to a proposed ITN blurb, regarding the current Donald Trump protests, are "obsessive." In my view this statement is gaslighting, in that the goal is to cast doubt on the mental health of those supporting the proposed ITN blurb. Worth noting: the consensus swang against his increasingly strident opposition to the Trump protests news blurb, which is now featured on the Main Page.)
- 1/21/17 The first edit by TRM to the 'Trump protests' ITN blurb discussion is TRM's oppose. Note the derisive and dismissive editorial tone, "all very nice" and "meaningless," the latter repeated in the edit summary.
- 1/21/17 As consensus begins to swing against his position, TRM sees fit to deride the position of a supporter, thus violating his sanctions' instructions to disengage. Note the uncivil and mocking disparagement towards a view other than his own, designed to chill discussion.
- 1/21/17 Three minutes later, another mocking retort, showing unwillingness to walk away as his sanctions require.
- 1/21/17 Two minutes later, still unwilling to let the matter rest, TRM posts on the back of his last. This example is notable for TRM's unnecessary POV editorializing shown against protests in general.
- 1/21/17 Again refusing to disengage with the editor, TRM derides their position in violation of his sanctions. Note the needlessly smug superiority in his edit summary, "please." Keep in mind, this is how he acts after resigning his adminship under a cloud, as noted in his sanctions, and which sanctions of October 2016 require civility and for him to disengage, and a subsequent block and further warning 5 weeks ago.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions
- 10/13/16 As shown in the diff, "The Rambling Man is prohibited from insulting and/or belittling other editors." Yet he now does so, using the perjoritive "obsessive."
- 10/13/16 Again, as shown in the diff, "If The Rambling Man finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve." Yet after his initial ITN !vote, TRM edits the 'Trump protests' nomination section, as shown in the diffs above, seven more times, clearly unwilling to disengage as consensus began to swing against his position, and clearly in direct violation of the sanctions directing him to avoid this type of WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior.
- 12/16/16 The Rambling Man was the subject of an ArbCom enforcement request only five weeks ago, and was again warned, after a three day block at the time of his violations, regarding his previous sanctions.
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Given the evidence presented, a block is required per the sanctions of 10/13/16 and the final warning given 12/16/16. Taken as a whole, the diffs show that TRM continues to be insulting and combative, creating an unwholesome editing environment at ITN for the discussion of sensitive topics. New editors, and even seasoned ones are discouraged by his ongoing repetitive battling to get his way. TRM has been the subject of countless hours of discussion and remedies that remain ineffective. Enough is enough.
- @User:Sandstein Please read the above, and the linked case and sanctions carefully. The sanctions are specific and direct, and the violations are outlined in my presented difff. Jusdafax 12:34, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning The Rambling Man
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Statement by Harrias
- Sure, TRM can be insulting and belittling, that is without question. But if these diffs are where we draw the line, then we might as well all give up now. In the majority of these diffs, all TRM is doing is offering counter-arguments. Yes, they are perhaps slightly pointed, but in discussions/debates sometimes it is necessary to try and make a point. Saying that he thinks there is an obsession to get something Trump related on the MP is simply not offensive or belittling, it is a statement of opinion. Most of the rest could be construed as belittling, but of the women's march, not of other users, which is a key distinction. This request just seems like a waste of everyone's time. Let's come back and do this all again if TRM does something actually offensive, eh? Harrias 12:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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Result concerning The Rambling Man
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Please specify the remedy or sanction of the case that you think is violated. Sandstein 12:16, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
- I would decline to take action because the requesting editor does not indicate which remedy of the case, if any, is to be enforced. Sandstein 12:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)