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Where did religion go?

Where did the religion parameter go? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 19:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Please try "religion" in the Search archives box at the top first. Johnuniq (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

2016 happened. The case of one popular politician, and the irrelevance of his religion, got an elementary encyclopedic parameter wiped from all articles. -- Lestadii27 (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Burial date?

Is there no burial date parameter, for cases where date of burial is known but date of death is not? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

It would seem sensible to add this, for the same reason that we have date of baptism. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:50, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Obituary

Any thought to adding in some way the obituaries of the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post, and other newspapers of record from around the world, as they are generally seen as helpful and definitive accounts of the person's life? --Flyguy33 (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Those should be used as sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Softlavender (talk) 14:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 March 2017

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Hey. can you please add this code:

{{#if:{{{image|}}}|{{#if:{{#property:P18}}||]}}}}

It will add all pages with an image in wikipedia but without one on wikidata to a category so we can import them all to wikidata. Mikey641 (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Please create the category (probably capitalized as Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata) and then reactivate this request. --Ahecht (TALK
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@Ahecht: created.--Mikey641 (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Done Ahecht (TALK
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honorific_suffix vs. education

Are post-nominal letters (e.g. Ph.D., M.A.) honorific suffixes? The previously-linked articles seem to indicate that they are, so my follow-up question is: do I essentially repeat the information in both the |honorific_suffix & |education fields? — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

No, PhD, MA, etc are earned degrees, not honors. The two articles linked talk about suffixes in general for "position, academic degree, accreditation, office, military decoration, or honour". Honorary degrees can be put in honorifics. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, okay. So you're saying to stick them in the |education field only? Follow-up question, for those in possession of a doctorate, should "Dr." go into |honorific_prefix? — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:55, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

No. And if the person has a doctorate often {{Infobox academic}}, {{Infobox scientist}}, etc. should be used. Listing honorifics seems to be a British thing. See Stephen Hawking vs Kip Thorne who is a fellow in all sorts of things, but Americans don't usually list those after their names when publishing.

You have an article about an academic in your sandbox. I have an essay on how to write one at User:StarryGrandma/Writing an article about a professor or researcher. He meets Misplaced Pages standards as a notable academic. As an external link use his faculty web page, not a profile from PhD tree. His curriculum vitae (CV, academic resume) is linked there. It will provide you with needed information and can be used as a reference. Add information about his work and how it developed over time. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:16, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Tracking category

I propose to get a tracking category created for pages using infobox person having no image of the person. Requesting for comments from others. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 16:37, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Disagree, for two reasons. First, in a technical sense, this would likely miss instances of missing images - for example, some articles use images of a person's gravestone because the editor's couldn't find an image of the person. Second, {{reqphoto}} can be used much more broadly. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I have two practical concerns with the utility of such a category:

1. There would be thousands of Misplaced Pages biographies about people who died before photography was widely available, and who never had portrait paintings or drawings done.
2. A tracking category cannot determine what the subject of the image is - is it the person, their headstone, an invention, the logo of a company they founded etc.

--Scott Davis 10:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Notice of parameter deprecation?

Is there any value to adding at the top of the template some sort of obvious note that explains that |religion= and |ethnicity= were removed, along with links to the relevant RfCs? Might help with questions in general here, but it might also be helpful in the field for editors to be able to point this info out to well-meaning editors unfamiliar with the changes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cyphoidbomb. I think the "information box" just above the TOC here Template talk:Infobox film with the link to the "sequels" discussion might be worth looking at. Even if it isn't exactly what you want it could be a place to start. Other editors will have ideas as well. MarnetteD|Talk 01:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Marnette. Yeah, I don't mean anything fancy, just something to slap on the top of the template to the effect of:

Please note that in 2016, the |religion= and |ethnicity= parameters were removed from Infobox person as a result of this discussion and this discussion.

(Interested parties should double-check that I have the correct RfCs listed.) Looks like RexxS had a similar idea in March. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:24, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Religion in other infoboxes

The April 2016 RfC resolved to remove the |religion= parameter from {{Infobox person}}. I cannot see significant discussion about related infoboxes and am concerned about Mamata Banerjee which I monitor in order to revert BLP violations. This diff changed "religion = Hinduism" to "religion = Secularism" in {{Infobox officeholder}} in that article. That edit may or may not be appropriate (although I cannot see a source), but why is the religion field present? I mentioned this question at Template talk:Infobox officeholder#Religion RfC but I am asking here due to the more general nature of my query. Johnuniq (talk) 07:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, "religion" regarding any person's personal beliefs, is generally disallowed in infoboxes at this point unless their primary notability is specifically due to and related to that particular religion. I suggest that Elizabeth II who appears to be involved in the Church of England does not have that fact in her infobox, and that it is reasonable to follow that lead. Collect (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Na, Liz is a special case. Infobox Royalty doesnt include religion because 99% of the time its largely irrelevant to their notability. Royalty is more than enough. QE2 due to a quirk of British history is the head of the Anglican chuch, the highest representative of God on Earth for Anglicans, akin to the Pope. Its one of the few royals around the world who would justify including religion in their infobox. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

As the closer of that RFC, I can confirm that my close was explicitly only applicable to {{infobox person}}, as the RFC was framed only in terms of that one box. While there was a clear and overwhelming consensus to deprecate the parameter from the main {{infobox person}}, I don't see any consensus there for deprecating the parameter across the board, and IMO such a decision would require a fresh RFC, since had it been an RFC about removing the religion= parameter from all biographical infoboxes, including such cases as {{infobox clergy}}, the result would likely have been different. ‑ Iridescent 14:00, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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