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| == Religion == | |||
| Either am I visually challenged, or there is no sufficient information about religion and sacred architecture. Who can help? --] (]) 09:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :The demographics section mentions religion. The architecture section mentions the ]. ] ] 20:42, 9 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Montage == | |||
| This was ], so I'm just looking for input from other editors about the ]. Does everyone prefer it over the ]? The new one includes sites on or near the National Mall (minus the Washington National Cathedral). The old one includes other areas of the city. There's more to the city than the Mall. ] ] 03:17, 23 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, I like the old one. Or maybe a few old sites and a few new sites? --] (]) 04:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Slow to add my voice here, sorry, but yeah, I agree. The new one is nice but kind of skimps on areas outside the Federal district. ] (]) 12:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::I think the new one is good for a montage of the National Mall, but less so for the whole Washington comma the District of Columbia. I think we'd previously discussed spreading out where the images came from, trying to get a variety of locations across the district. In this ] I note the Lincoln in visible in two photos, as is the Smithsonian Building. There could also be some discussion of six verses five photos, and I do think less is more in this case, and ] to my eyes. For the ] I have to mention that the Howard Theater is a bit weak as a photograph, and that there's a small overhang where the Douglass House extends below the other photo, so its not like that one's perfect either.-- ], ] 02:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move 5 January 2017 == | |||
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| :''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ]. No further edits should be made to this section. '' | |||
| The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. <small>(])</small> ] (]) 03:27, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| ] → {{no redirect|Washington, DC}} – ''Washington, DC'' (without periods), is the ] as demonstrated by ; and demonstrates that ''DC'' is the common‐name even in American English. In addition, ''DC'' is used on the District of Columbia government page, the ], the '']'', and the '']''. For these reasons, I believe we should move the page. – ] (]) 22:19, 5 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''', for the same reasons as when this same proposal was made last May (see ]) and before that in May 2015 (]). ] (]) 22:21, 5 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| **At the proposal that was made last May, you opposed because "'D.C.' is the proper, formal abbreviation for 'District of Columbia'"; however, according to ], "Misplaced Pages does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." —] (]) 22:32, 5 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ***'''Comment''' - I would also note that in fact the Department of Justice uses "D.C." when not referring to its own postal address (e.g. press release; note about the D.C. US Attorney's Office; job posting); the AP Style guide prescribes the periods; and the two major local newspapers, the Washington Post and Washington Times both use the proper name as well. Also the free weekly City Paper, as well as the NY Times, LA Times and WSJ. ] (]) 22:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Oppose''' – yes, 2-letter postal codes are common, but they are not the typical or formal abbreviation of states and D.C. in running prose. ] (]) 04:43, 6 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' for all the reasons mentioned the last time this was brought up for discussion. ] ] 04:52, 6 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' for the reasons above. Not much else to say, though a moratorium may be in order. '''<span style="border: 1px #60768E solid;background:#60768E">]</span>''' 04:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Oppose''' as it is District of Columbia. A redirect solves this non-problem anyway. ] (]) 19:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Oppose''': D.C. is an abbreviation for the District of Columbia. ~ ] (]) 23:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Comment''' - Can an uninvolved editor wrap this up, please? Thanks - ] (]) 01:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| ==District Versus City== | |||
| Frequently throughout this article, Washington, DC is referred to as a city, but it is actually a District. It has a District Council not a City Council. Etc...Perhaps this is too pedantic to change the usage throughout the article, but it should probably be noted therein. | |||
| I believe Columbia is the District and Washington is the city within that district. That's why the address is Washington, District of Columbia. In practice the city takes up the whole district (I think - various public monuments are under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service, not the city or district government), but they're two entities, if for no other reason than to be consistent with other US addresses which specify a city or town, then a state or territory. ] (]) 21:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :This comes up periodically. The District of Columbia and "Washington" are the same thing; they occupy the same area and have no separate existence from one another. See (by way of example): ]; ]; ]; and ]. In addition, Washington is indisputably a "]", and the description is correct. ] (]) 22:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::Can we get an FAQ in the banner and mention in this there please? ] (]) 22:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::Washington is a city and Columbia is a district. So what that they occupy the same area? In New York, Brooklyn Boro occupies the same area as Kings County but there is a boro hall and a county building. Kings County is represented in state government in Albany, and Brooklyn Boro is represented in City Hall in NYC. Formerly the city of Brooklyn was the same as Kings County and they had a city hall and a county government as well. The city of Washington is coextensive with the District of Columbia but they are two different entities. There are city cops and city fire department, because cities have those things...Congress does not collect garbage or write parking tickets.... but you cast your vote in federal elections as a voter in DC, a district separate from the states. You don't vote as a resident of Washington, no city has a vote, you vote as a resident of DC. Leave my wording.] (]) 09:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If you go back and read the prior discussions (the first linked one is pretty comprehensive), it should become clear that there is no separate, legally recognized, "City of Washington". Washington, D.C. is a large collection of people living in one place, so it is a "]". The term "city" is a perfectly good, understandable and common description of what the place is. The colloquially described "city" is, however, organized ''formally'' as a federal district. There are no "city" police, no "city" elections - there are DC Police, and elections to the DC Council, and so forth. There is no law or statute that separately establishes a "city" distinct from the District (at least none that I'm aware of) so it is in fact incorrect (or at the very least, unsourced) to describe a "city" of Washington that is "coterminous" with the District. They're the same. ] (]) 12:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'd add that, even if it were sourced and accurate, it's not a suitable lead sentence. Rather than being a succinct statement of the subject matter, it is confusing and likely raises a question in the reader's mind; a question which is not resolved on in the text of the article. So I'd leave it as is even if the assertion were correct, and to the extent there is more to be said about it, cover it in the body, in passing. ("Technically, Washington DC is two entities, the federal district, and a separately incorporated city that is coterminous with it." Like that.) ] (]) 12:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Perhaps we could look to ] for advice. {{tq|The borough is coextensive with New York County}}. There a simple succinct statement. ] (]) 12:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::If it read as it does, then at the end said, "The City of Washington is co-extensive with the District of Columbia" - that would improve on the confusing wording. Except "Washington" and "DC" are the same thing. They are not co-extensive, but identical. ] (]) 13:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::This from the body of the article: "Congress passed the Organic Act of 1871, which repealed the individual charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown, and created a new territorial government for the whole District of Columbia". There is no "City of Washington" or "City of Georgetown" any more. ] (]) 13:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::While that does seem clear, it's buried deep in the article, and if you read ], it's not as clear. According to that article, {{tq|Regarding a city of Washington, it stated that "that portion of said District included within the present limits of the city of Washington shall continue to be known as the city of Washington".}} I'm not sure what to make of that quotation, but I think it might be useful to include a simple line in the lead explicitly stating that calling DC “Washington” is merely colloquial, and that Washington is not co-extensive with DC but rather an informal name for DC. -- ] (]) 17:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::That is a bit confusing, I agree. But the lead now reads, "Washington, D.C., formally the District of Columbia and commonly referred to as 'Washington', 'the District', or simply 'D.C.'". That seems to capture both the formal designation - "District of Columbia" - as well as various other common, or colloquial, terms by which it is called. Maybe the next paragraph could say something about the "City" not being something distinct from the "District", in connection with the Act of 1871, but even there it seems kind of shoehorned in. I have trouble imagining that that really answers a question present in most readers' minds as they're reading the first 2 paragraphs of the article. ] (]) 22:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Ok thanks.] (]) 20:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::I don't understand why the formal name is not used as the title of the article. Is there precedence for colloquial national terms for something to be supreme to the true legal governmental entity? It seems like the article title should be changed and the lead sentence should say "the District of Columbia, commonly known as Washington, D.C...." <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ::::::::::::See ]. ] (]) 17:57, 19 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2017 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Washington, D.C.|answered=yes}} | |||
| ] (]) 21:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == Large map == | |||
| A large map with the caption "Map of city and neighboring jurisdictions" was recently added to this article. There is currently a discussion at ] regarding the appropriateness of that map. ] (]) 02:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2017 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Washington, D.C.|answered=no}} | |||
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