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14 Year Old Girls

I see you removed the prod template I added to this page. I did not notice the prior AfD. Do you know whether prior AfDs automatically preclude proposed deletion? The proposed deletion page does not appear to answer that question. I understand that this is not at issue with your removal because prod can be removed for any or even no reason. I'm just curious. As to the article itself, I'm looking into a second AfD. It does not appear that the band passes the MUSIC criteria, but I'm not currently sure whether or not a second AfD would be proper. At any rate, many thanks for your guidance. Erechtheus 22:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• According to the record label, 14 Year Old Girls have appeared on G4 Tech TV's X-Play, The Screen Savers, and Players... been written up in GamePRO, EGM, GameNOW... Maximum Rock'n'Roll called them "Quite endearing" and Punknews.org declared them "the inventors of Nintendo punk." That's TV coverage (which I have cited in the article) and multiple coverage by non-trivial media (harder for me to track down and cite, maybe someone with more experience in gaming magazines can lend a hand). That clinches it for me, and this link shows you all the videos of these appearences. Maybe this will help? See you on the AfD! PT 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Blueser

I removed the speedy delete tag you had at Blueser. This article is junk, but it's not patent nonsense. I believe that refers to text that is absolute gibberish, like "alkjdf lkjsdf sdfjl" or the writings or Ann Coulter. eaolson 00:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting point. I guess I applied my deletionist POV to the speedy delete tag you added because of your inclusionist viewpoint. Heh. eaolson 01:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

List of automobiles that were commercial failures up for deletion

Hi,

You have taken part in the AfD process for List of successful automobiles and voted delete. The decision was unanimous and the article was subsequently deleted. Now a corresponding article, List of automobiles that were commercial failures, is up for deletion for the same reasons. It would be only logicial and just to have them both deleted, so I cordially invite you to take part in the new discussion.

Regards, Bravada, talk - 09:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to your message

Thank you for your message. I try not to tag articles for deletion unless I think that the subject matter itself is non-notable (such as a high school garage band or a vanity article written by a graduate student). In such cases, the progress of the article is irrelevant: no further information will justify its inclusion per WP's notability guidelines. However, I do need to spend more time commenting on users' talk pages to explain why I've nominated their article so that new users can be aware of WP policies and learn from the situation. Your message reinforced this notion: I hope I can be better at helping new users, too, instead of just tagging articles. Thank you. -- Merope 14:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Re : Minal Nygårds

Thanks for your message. The reason for deletion is given as per in the AfD itself. You may wish to know that standards have changed and these days non-notability is no longer a reason for deletion, but unverifiability is. That means an article has to be backed up with external, reliable sources, or be deleted. There isn't really a need for a source tag, given that unsourced/unverifiability was a concern that was raised by at least two editors during the week's AfD. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 00:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Google for it. That's where I get 90% of my sourcing needs. - Mailer Diablo 00:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, GHits itself doesn't really represent anything much these days, you have pick specific websites that are able to back up your claims/assertions. For example, if you know that "Joe has done A" in the news, then you have to quote the source of the news agency (say BBC News). Refer to WP:V and WP:CITE for details. - Mailer Diablo 00:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

List of you know what

Hello and thanks for your message! I think I am being misunderstood here - I am making this as impersonal as I possibly can, which is why I can be perceived as rude and unnecessairly persistent. I want to focus on arguments and not the people putting them forward. Therefore, whenever I see an argument that I believe can be countered or is somehow invalid in this debate, I will comment on that. I think that an AfD should be decided based on the substance and not the number of people who "vote" this or the other way, therefore I want to give the closer the overview of the arguments and counterarguments - even though I can presume he or she probably won't read it and close based on the "votes" and his or her personal view on the subject. Funny how you can submit the same article two times, get the same comments from the same people and two different results! I guess if I were really mischevious here, I would just need to get the right admin to close ;)

As concerns the most impudent part of my comment, I have explained that I am a little familiar with the subject and can't possibly think how one can establish such things based on the data avaliable. If you could provide me with an explanation, it could surely change my mind on that and possibly even make me withdraw my explanation, so this is not just being impudent as you might see it. I understand and fully accept that you do not agree with the nomination, but I want to keep the discussion based on arguments. Regards, Bravada, talk - 00:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what advanced qualifications correspond to in our system, but I do believe you know what you are talking about, this is why I asked you to elaborate. As concerns myself, if we are to reveal the cards, I meant a double master's level studies accomplished in both business administration and finance, but I think it is rather my practical business experience that I meant. I am not sure whether what I was dealing with were the full and complete versions of British accounting statements according to UK GAAP or whatever you call it (I hate those accounting terminology and stuff, I am a business guy not an accountant, I read statements not compile them), but from what I remember and what I know of statements compiled in most parts of the Western world, they hardly ever contain the data on profitability of given products. If they did, my work would have been so much easier. Sometimes you can infer something from combining financial and some other publicly (or not so publicly ;) ) available data, but that's usually in case of companies with a relatively simple business model.

I have browsed through some financial statements generated by automakers (though I have more experience with heavy truck makers to be precise) and I didn't find any data that would allow me to make even tentative statements on model profitability. Moreover, how about accounting systems? When appraising an investment project, you can apply methods quite liberally. For example, Chrysler in the 1970s accounted for development costs in a separate budget, allocated for every year quite irrelevant of anything else, and the profitability of the model was appraised only based on more direct costs, such as tooling. Therefore, by these managament accounting standards, Chrysler could see the model as profitable before overhead (where the development budget presumably went) - this can be one of the reasons why they almost went bankrupt, and I am starting to believe it after reading Iacocca once again.

The bottom line is - I would say that even if you could find such data in the UK accounting statements, I doubt it whether you could in statements of companies based in other developed countries. So, the list would have to be narrowed down to UK cars only. Bravada, talk - 01:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

4 Minutes

Hi, I removed Category:Singles because this category should not contain any articles about singles. If you view the category page, it states in bold font "Individual songs should not be listed here Instead, songs should all go under subcategories of category:Songs by artist". According to Misplaced Pages's song categorization guidelines, singles belong in a subcat of Category:Songs by artist (In this case, Category:Avant songs, which does not exist) and a subcat of Category:Singles by year (I don't know what year it was released in as the article does not state this information, but I will search for it). But under no conditions should individual song articles be placed in Category:Singles or Category:Songs. --musicpvm 02:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It's no problem. I just created Category:Avant songs and also added the article to Category:2006 songs, so it is no longer uncategorized. --musicpvm 03:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Note on listing comics-related items for deletion

In the future, when listing a comics-related category, template, or article for deletion, please list it at WP:CMC/NB. This allows the community to come to a better concensus and feel like part of the process, and we have examples for you to just cut and paste and add the appropriate information to. I'd really appreciate it, and I am sure I'm not the only one. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris, thanks for the heads up about that message board. I didn't know it was there. I've been doing a big overhaul of the categorisation within the Science fiction film category. I don't think there's anything else comic-related that needs to go but I will let you know of anything I find. Mallanox 20:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate the work you are doing; I just think you will find more support for what you are doing by posting to that page. A number of editors watch that page and contribute to the delete/merge/rename discussions on it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Monster movies

Hi! Yes i'm aware of the ending things with "Film" cat. And i was just thinking of the common shlocky term of "Monster movie!" at the time when making the cat. Then after I made It i was thinking "oh geez..this should really be film shouldn't it?". Feel free to change it. :) (even though I still think Movie sounds better in this case! But we should be consistent) Andrzejbanas 01:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Please help - inclusionism is "absurb" now

Sorry to bother you, but as an things are getting desperate and I need to appeal to your for help. We are facing a situation where a deletionist admin is free to declare inclusionist arguments "absurd" and ignore them at will. If you don't agree with this situation, please share your opinion here. Kappa 02:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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