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Howdy from Dallas. I'm just now catching up with wiki stuff; saw your note on a pvs article I wrote, Winterizing a swimming pool. It was nominated for deletion and looks like that has occurred. Better late than never in responding, right? Reading over the dos and don'ts of article content, I agree this was a how-to article which Wiki is not focusing on. Best regards Casey Miller, Dallas, TX 22:09, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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Belated welcome back

Had not noticed until today that you're back. Glad to see you. David in DC (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks :) Legacypac (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy Deletions from Userspace

Hello, Legacypac. I observe that you made or nominated at least 13 speedy deletions today; of the ones I was able to see, only two seem to have met the speedy deletion criteria, but you had already deleted several of them so I was unable to verify that the criteria were met. Could you please undelete the rest so that I can make sure that they meet the speedy deletion criteria for userspace drafts? If they do, I won't object to the speedy deletion. Thanks. Newimpartial (talk) 23:50, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

It is painfully obvious that you do not have a good grasp of deletion policy or process. I only nominate, an Admin deletes. I can't undelete, only Admins can undelete and you need a pretty good reason to restore. If you want get an Admin tool set to check deleted articles good luck. Otherwise take it up with the maybe a dozen or so different deleting admins that have reviewed and accepted my speedy nominations. I'll point them to your misspplications of policy in MfD and demands of me on this page. Legacypac (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Am I not supposed to ask the requesting person first? I didn't mean to bother you. Newimpartial (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

And I didn't vandalize anything. Let's not get into name-calling. Newimpartial (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Runnng around reversing spam cleanup could have series consequences for you. In the first place Indiscovered you took off my promotional tag, you were wrong. I suggest reading that the tag says. It refers to userspace and the current state of the page. I have neither the technical ability to restore deleted spam nor the desire to humor your desires to preserve spam I'm working to have deleted.

I was absolutely within my rights to remove the tag, since it does not apply. Only the author of the article is forbidden from removing it. Newimpartial (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

and I'm in my rights to restore the tag. You are building a heck of a track record preserving spam here. Legacypac (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

You mean, of upholding previously established WP:CONSENSUS. :) Newimpartial (talk) 03:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Funny how you mention consensus when half of the pages you're looking to save actually go against consensus... Primefac (talk) 03:20, 28 May 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Primefac, there is a consensus clearly expressed in WP:STALE against deleting Userspace articles for reasons of WP:N or because they are old (except for Draftspace articles more than 6 months on, with due process). Legacypac has shown no respect for this consensus. Newimpartial (talk) 03:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

If I have to take you to ANi to stop your efforts to sabatage spam cleanup, I'll be sure to tag the 14 differnet admins that accepted dozens of my speedy tags over the last few hours. By your statements and actions you are implying all of them are wrong for accepting my speedy tags Legacypac (talk) 03:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

New Pages Reviewer

Hi,
After your edits, I skimmed a little through your history. You definitely are an experienced user, and you communicate politely. Would you please consider becoming Misplaced Pages:New pages patrol/Reviewers? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, currently wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the right, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). —usernamekiran(talk) 04:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted

Hello Legacypac. Your account has been added to the "New page reviewers" user group, allowing you to review new pages and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or in some cases, tag them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is a vital function for policing the quality of the encylopedia, if you have not already done so, you must read the new tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the various deletion criteria. If you need more help or wish to discuss the process, please join or start a thread at page reviewer talk.

• URGENT: Please consider helping get the huge backlog down to a manageable number of pages as soon as possible.
• Be nice to new users - they are often not aware of doing anything wrong.
• You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted - be formal and polite in your approach to them too, even if they are not.
• Don't review a page if you are not sure what to do. Just leave it for another reviewer.
• Remember that quality is quintessential to good patrolling. Take your time to patrol each article, there is no rush. Use the message feature and offer basic advice.

The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In case of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, the right can be revoked at any time by an administrator. Swarm ♠ 05:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Funktionone/Paul Blanca

Hello Legacypac. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Funktionone/Paul Blanca, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not an unambiguous copyright infringement, or there is other content to save. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It looked pretty close to the linked page, but ok thanks for letting me know. I've redirected it to the existing mainspace page. Maybe someone can use material from it. Legacypac (talk) 16:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Rye Pottery

Thanks for reminding me about this. It does look OK, but I will need a couple of days to to sort out the references Ruskinmonkey (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Awesome Legacypac (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Done already. Might add a few details when I find the sources,Ruskinmonkey (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

AfC helper script

Hey! You recently moved Janine Cossy to mainspace. A cleanup edit needed to be made to the article and to the talk page. Might I politely suggest the use of the AfC helper script when moving drafts, which will make those edits automatically. TheDragonFire (talk) 06:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank-you very helpful. I got pulled away in real life before I could clean up that move. I had the script installed but never used it before and forgot what it was for. It's pretty slick. I can't see a way to select the next G13 eligible page within the script, which is disappointing, but lots of other useful features. Legacypac (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to double down on this - I think if you're accepting drafts you should be using AFCH. Not only does it automatically remove the AFC headers and templates, it allows the option to add categories and WikiProjects, saving other NPRs from adding {{uncategorised}} such as at Juan Pablo Romero Fuentes (which means a third editor will be adding cats). Thanks. Primefac (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not working for me like that. Maybe I need to be added to the list of active Reviewers? Never understood the category system, people are always changing my attempts to categorize pages. I've long preferred that experienced editors in categories handle that. Legacypac (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you would have to move your name from Inactive to Active on the Participants list. And if people change your cats later on - who cares? AFCH also auto-populates the cats if someone has placed something like ] at the bottom of the page, which I like. Primefac (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Name moved to active, will try it on the next move. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 04:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I changed my name to active, but it still does not give me the option to Move a page. I'm now working thru postponed G13 pages to try and save them, and this would be super helpful. Any ideas how to fix? Legacypac (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

You can only "accept" a submitted draft, so a G13-eligible draft will either need to be submitted/approved by you (I generally "mark as under review" and then accept) or manually moved. It's not perfect, but it's what we've got. Primefac (talk) 11:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Aww as in currently submitted. I'm working postponed G13 not the normal submission pending category so they are not submitted. Thank-you I'll try that. Legacypac (talk) 16:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Your moves...

Quite recently, you moved Draft:Sara Sutton Fell and Draft:Hot Chicken Takeover to mainspace.A majority of the sources in both of them are spammy and promotional and is resemblant of paid promotion.Thus,I have undone your moves.Whilst your efforts are no-doubt praise-worthy, please be a little careful while moving drafts to mainspace.Thanks!Winged Blades 10:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I disagree but thanks for telling me. I appreciate your Good Faith effort. The Fell article could perhaps have notability challenged but the sourcing is diverse and to places like Fast Company and a Denver newspaper that are reliable. Hot Chicken has a lot of press for it's unusual business model of employing released criminals, giving a business that would not normally get any attention notability. Both were WP:ABANDONED so relegating them to draft space solves nothing. If your concerned about notability send to MfD or AfD to test so I can defend them and the community can decide. Legacypac (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Josep Lagares

You tagged draft:Josep Lagares with db-copyvio. Can you remember whence it was a copyvio? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry not without seeing the deleted article. I've CSD tagged over 800 pages this month and that one does not stand out in my mind. Legacypac (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I know the feeling. I know the feeling.Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Josep Lagares has just been re-created and I have restored the version you tagged for deletion so you can see that they are very similar. I suspect what you saw as the copyvio source was this - an English version mis-posted to es:Josep Lagares Gamero and now deleted. If you know any other copyvio source, please let us know. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I was working G13 Eligible pages at the time. This one was G13able. I bet my thumb caught the G12 button instead, and I did not notice. I've done that before but noticed before hitting submit. Sorry for the confusion. Legacypac (talk) 18:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For trying to deal with the madness that is Draft space. Dlohcierekim (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion

I wanted notify you that the article Henry Elkins has been listed on the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Henry Elkins. Mitchumch (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

G2

Did you? Did you really tag a whole slew of drafts as, as test pages???? LOL.Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:24, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

After eliminating a 1400 page backlog at G13 elegible AfD (which included a lot of blank ones) I found a whole category of blank submissions. Sorry not much for your reading pleasure! They are either obvious tests of the AfC submit button or some weird sort of vandalism. Delete them now or delete them later as G13 but as G2 they are not going to waste admin time by being "refundable" Legacypac (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Well it's certainly a novel approach.Dlohcierekim (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh look a big SUBMIT button! Let me test what that does... than never come back to type a word. It's not an attempt at an article. Legacypac (talk) 07:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

My Introduction

Hi there legacypac! You responded on talk page of Derby County in NZ. I want to ask why is he reverting my every edit when I have not vandalized any wiki article. I thought he was an admin that's why I did not say any thing earlier. But now you said that he is not and that's kind of annoying. All my edits have been done to update the wiki articles to the present date. I mostly edit longevity related articles and they need daily updating as ages of supercentenarians who are living are constantly increasing on a daily basis.Fydcinnz (talk) 19:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ya I think I've heard about your updates. Everyone's age increases daily. Updates are appropriate when someone dies, or maybe one a year, not constantly. I trust Derby's judgement, especially on longevity. If he is reverting you regularly, you are making inappropriate edits and should stop the type of edits he is reverting. Legacypac (talk) 19:12, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Aaron Gerow

Hi. I re-added the notability tag. I agree he may be notable, but the article as it now stands doesn't quite appear to make the case. Not sure where you are looking up his citations, but google scholar has anemic counts for him (his high is 43). Onel5969 23:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=oo1jM2YAAAAJ&hl=en 45 cites on one piece seems significant to me in such a low popularity topic (at least among English scholarship). From an oft quoted review of one of his books "Aaron Gerow - another man of incontestable credentials thanks to his stints teaching Japanese cinema at the University of Yokohama, Yale and his lengthy tenure as a film critic for the Daily Yomiuri" 9 mentions including thanks for reviewing the manuscript in A Hundred Years of Japanese Film: A Concise History, with a Selective Guide ... by Donald Richie

Legacypac (talk) 01:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

References

1. https://he.palgrave.com/page/detail/kitano-takeshi-aaron-gerow/?sf1=barcode&st1=9781844571666
2. https://books.google.ca/books?id=s7-_Gon5-a0C&pg=PP4&lpg=PP4&dq=japanese+film+expert&source=bl&ots=Z2pJniqp0O&sig=G7jLUeno2436Zytqc9xynv3qiNc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVoojq1rnUAhVJ1GMKHfM2DYsQ6AEIUTAI#v=onepage&q=Gerow&f=false

Draft:Pile of Dirt

"Extremely informative draft". ಠ_ಠ ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

User:AlvonP/sandbox

Hey Legacypac, One of the things about reviewing G13s that makes them a sort of break from harder reviewing like copyvios, A7s and the like, is that you can mostly zone out and just make sure six months is up – rarely do I see any that are not. Just note the one above which woke me up as a decline. <snark>Last I checked, it was June 12</snark>. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

ya I was finding a bunch that were over 6 month but not in the CSD G13 list. Spam must have made me numb and unable to count months. Funny thing is, that page borders on a hoax. None of the claims are backed up by the sources listed except she is a non-notable ex-model. Will ax it next month. Legacypac (talk) 03:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Spam affects us all differently. You get numbing, I get nausea and a strong desire to punch walls. Hawaiians seem impervious.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The most frustrating part of SPAM is that a lot of people refuse to act against it and leave the thrash in place with the argument "spam can be solved by normal editing". Predictable: nothing happens afterwards. The Banner talk 11:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@The Banner: Agreed. On that issue a few years ago we got our first really strong new tool against spam (indirect, but still it targets the user who post it broadly in a manner nothing else does) and no one is using it. The terms of use were amended to require mandatory disclosure for paid editing, broadly construed to mean anyone editing with a financial stake in the subject of their edits – where The COI guidelines is fangless, only strongly "recommending", but now we have a way to enforce something. What has been done? Nothing. I created {{Uw-paid1}}, {{Uw-paid2}}, {{Uw-paid3}} and {{Uw-paid4}} to try to make a path. They are barely being used.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

What tool? And are your templates part of Twinkle? The Banner talk 12:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Request on 14:13:32, 13 June 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Laurarodrigues

• Laurarodrigues (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Barrie (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Legacypac,

Could you give me some advices to improve the "Barrie" article in order to publish it on Misplaced Pages. Which sections of the article should be rewritten ? and why ?

Thanks for your help,

Laura

Laurarodrigues (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll take a run at it soon. It reads like a sales brochure now. Legacypac (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Getting the Ferrier article back

Hi there, you may have forgotten that last year on that page : https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Basicdesign/sandbox there used to be an article ready for publishing, about a ferrier. For the last 3 years I've been in and out of hospital so did not follow any of it. Doing a bit better for the moment (thanks), so I looked for a way to get that article back. Not knowing where to turn, I asked Amantio di Nicolao to help me there. He's having some trouble finding it. Any idea on getting that article back pls ? Thanks. Basicdesign (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The page history starts in July 2016 so perhaps it was somewhere else. A problem with sandboxes is don't have a unique title. I suggest digging through your contributions and look at . You don't have any other user subpages (I checked). Have you searched Misplaced Pages for the title? If it was deleted, someone should have notified you on your talk page, so look at the history of your talk. Legacypac (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the indications, but still can't find anything. Fk it, I renounce finding it and am gonna translate the damn thing again from nil. Whoever deemed the subject "unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace" clearly did not know what s/he was talking about (and did not bother checking it, which adds insult to injury). So now, just one thing : how come my personal sandbox page was deleted when it's not a public sandbox? I'm hoping that you know the answer to that, since it's you who put it up for deletion. I just want to avoid further trouble on that. Thanks. Basicdesign (talk) 07:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I found your missing article https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Basicdesign/sandbox2 It's linked off your userpage. No idea about your other sandbox. I see an article there now and no evidence of it being deleted Legacypac (talk) 14:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

NPP

Legacypac (talk) 06:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

See also:

• Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes, the guideline on reviewing
• Misplaced Pages:Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes
• Misplaced Pages:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators. DGG ( talk ) 18:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer

Hi. I'm just letting you know that following a discussion at User talk:Arthur Rubin, your account has been added back to the New Page Reviewer user group. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank-you for your help. Legacypac (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Tomasz Wójcik draft

Hello, Legacypac. I added two portfolios, featuring graphic works by Tomasz Wójcik as well as his animated posters and film trailers. I hope this will be enough to restore the normal status of Tomasz Wójcik's website. Best regards --Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 07:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

It's at Draft:Tomasz Wójcik now. I'll take a look, maybe submit for review. Legacypac (talk) 07:51, 16 June 2017 (UTC) Ya, I've not done a detailed review, only tagged it for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. When you are ready submit it and one of the previous reviewers will take a look. Legacypac (talk) 07:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Lawless John draft for BestHeating

Hey there Legacypac, I just wanted to enquire about what you meant by the sources 'not proving notability' - an example of a page in exactly the same niche as my business can be seen on Better Bathrooms - they have less sources on their page and some are from the same place as my sources. Can you explain why this would be accepted but my page not? The way that I set it out is virtually identical because I would assume that if their page can be accepted and published that mine would be too. I'm just a little confused. It would appear that I have done exactly what others in my business niche have done, but my page is deemed 'not important' enough even though I have more recent and varied indepedent sources to cite. Please help I'm a bit of a noob. I appreciate it. Thanks. John --LawlessJohn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

First, you should really not be writing about your own business. See WP:COI If your business is truly WP:N someone else will write about it. Second, there are countless pages that don't meet standards here. I rarely compare business x vs y to see what a page needs to be acceptable, I compare against policy. I've looked into the page you reference and just sent it for deletion discussion. That company is not WP:Noteable and fails WP:CORPDEPTH Thanks for reaching out. If it makes you feel better my businesses don't have and should not have wikipedia pages, but we've won major awards and commendations while developing several hundred million in real estate projects. Legacypac (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Legacypac. It's appreciated. LawlessJohn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Still need a hand?

It's calmer around here, do you still need a hand? Can't see my personal email though so it's gotta be onwiki. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes please Legacypac (talk) 08:05, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree that those edits don't look normal, and I don't have a problem posting there to say so, but I don't think it would be appropriate for me to step in and sanction Godsy, given my fairly consistent record of agreeing with your noms at MfD. I know I've never been involved with the you vs. Godsy drama but I still worry that it looks WP:INVOLVED if I do anything more than comment. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:35, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Don't take the bait. I've dealt with editors like that. They love to push buttons in order to get their way, and it's basically what they live for. IME it's quite like dealing with people that suffer a psychological dysfunction. It's quite pitiful actually. Do not engage them or their ilk, but rather, kill them with courtesy and give them all the rope they want. Darknipples (talk) 09:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Topic Ban per ANI

As per the consensus at ANI , you are topic banned from moving any article from Draft:, User: or any other space to main space, regardless of author, and must instead use the WP:AFC system for your own articles. Per standard terms, this ban may be appealed in 6 months and every 6 months thereafter that it is not successful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Here is a list of my promotions . Legacypac (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

• Legacypac, I don't judge the merits of the individual, I just gauge the consensus and implement the will of the community. I have no opinion, for if I did, then I couldn't close the discussion. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:58, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Well the "will" is based on easily demolished false allegations. As a closing admin are you are not required to consider the merits of the arguments and evidence presented? I'm absolutely shocked at your close sanctioning the victim and letting the bully carry on. I'll have to reconsider my involvement here. Legacypac (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with the consensus but missed my chance to comment. If the hounding continues, continue to gather evidence and diffs off wiki and kick it up to ArbCom before considering leaving. With the topic ban in place you've got little to lose - just leaving without kicking it to ArbCom would be denying yourself another chance at a trial and admitting defeat to the hounder. jcc (tea and biscuits) 22:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

As closing admin, I can't read all the evidence and if I disagree with the community, then override them. That would be a "supervote". You know this, or at least you should. If you think I misread the consensus, you can always raise the issue at WP:AN, but they will NOT reconsider the merits there; they will only look at my close and determine if my close is a reasonable read of the consensus based on what the editors were saying. I'm not recommending it, and if you instead try to use it to argue the merits again, it could have negative consequences for you, so understand now you can only ask for a review of MY actions there. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

So this is different then closing XfDs and RfCs... I was not aware of that. You admit you counted !votes while ignoring the substance. I'm disappointed, I had higher regard for your judgment than this decision shows. Legacypac (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

For goodness' sake, Legacy. It is in no way rational for you to expect that an opinion held by one or two admins is going to outweigh an opinion held by half a dozen admins or more, when looking at the same evidence. There is such a thing as being so certain in one's own convictions that one loses track of what is actually going on. (I should know.) Newimpartial (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Not really. When closing XfDs and RfCs, policy considerations are more important because they are the foundation of the actions. When topic banning someone, it is all about whether the community trusts your judgement or not. There are't a lot a of policy considerations to weigh against. If Editor Bob interprets your actions as disruptive, I can't look at your actions and say he is wrong, I can only judge whether his rationale is reasonable or not. The rules for closing are exactly the same. Closing ANI tbans and ibans are very different only because what you are considering is very different. In this case, it was very clear what the community wanted, and there was lots of participation, and the arguments for and against the topic ban were sane and articulated clearly, plus the discussion was open for a very long time. You were topic banned by the community before I closed. By closing, I didn't decide your fate nor chose your sanction; I just summarized what the community had already collectively decided. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)