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| :::::::Not taking ] ideas serious, has been a major mistake, I think, but Misplaced Pages is a good medium to get acquainted to these ideas. If not, what is Misplaced Pages good for, anyway? Then we'll just look up an old encyclopedia to read what we have known already for ages. And to my question: why so many people find the theory exciting, I will give the answer myself; not because it's ridiculous, but quite the opposite: because it at least gives plausible, logical answers to questions that in the Mediterranean setting can never be answered and, I think, does even reveal the mystery of Iliad and Odyssey. ] 23:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC) | :::::::Not taking ] ideas serious, has been a major mistake, I think, but Misplaced Pages is a good medium to get acquainted to these ideas. If not, what is Misplaced Pages good for, anyway? Then we'll just look up an old encyclopedia to read what we have known already for ages. And to my question: why so many people find the theory exciting, I will give the answer myself; not because it's ridiculous, but quite the opposite: because it at least gives plausible, logical answers to questions that in the Mediterranean setting can never be answered and, I think, does even reveal the mystery of Iliad and Odyssey. ] 23:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
| == Go on, Antiphus, fighting for NPOV in WP ! == | |||
| I stumbled by chance on your following post : | |||
| "Mr. Dieter A. Bachmann from Zürich, why do you believe that it is necessary to be insulting? I take it that you refer to the ideas of Wilkens, or do you mean Mr. Wilkens personally? And Mr Akhillleus, why do you think it necessary to call in the help of Mr. Bachmann? Antiphus 11:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)". | |||
| so, I found necessary to encourage you in your fight against the "pack of wolves" lead by Mr Dieter Bachmann, who are presently trying to impose '''their POV''' in Misplaced Pages on lots of matters. These guys, whose pseudos are "Dbachmann", "Akhilleus", "Scabbers the Rat", "Pmanderson", "Gbrunner", to cite the most active of them, have discovered that, when you are acting like a pack of wolves, each biting the adversary in alternance, you may impose your POV on Misplaced Pages. So, each time one of them wants to impose his POV, he calls the others in at the rescue. This is why Mr Akhilleus has called in the help of Mr Bachmann... These guys are killing the WP NPOV spirit, and are spreading around hatred and resentment by their dictatorial manners. But they don't care : what counts for them is to control the WP !... What can be do against that ? I don't know, and I am not a WP-administrator... But be sure that tens of WP-users would be glad to see Mr Bachmann and his pack out ! | |||
| In the name of all these anonymous users, I greet your courage. Please receive our kindest regards and best wishes. (An anonymous WP-user). | |||
Revision as of 11:13, 30 September 2006
Iman (if you are Iman?), if anything I did was wrong, you can correct it yourself. You don't need me to do it for you! Isn't the Herodoteans a student society? It was when I was a member. Isn't it true about the Four Went Ways? I must admit I haven't read the book (too expensive now!), I rely only on newspaper reports at the time when it was published. Sorry if I was wrong there: I'm sure you know best. Where does the book say that Troy was? It's an interesting detail and it wasn't in the article. Best wishes Andrew Dalby 19:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's good, Antiphus. I was only a few miles from the truth, wasn't I? I've never in my life called anyone a crackpot, and all your guesses about me happen to be wrong (even the library)! Keep on editing Misplaced Pages, and so will I. Best wishes Andrew Dalby 20:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your reply, Antiphus. I'm sorry too for mistakenly guessing that you were Iman Wilkens! But take it as a compliment. His theories are really interesting, I think. Andrew Dalby 11:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for your gracious message - I only had small items to change - I certainly shall remember you when I need help (who knows when?) Dank U wel
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Of course I can. You're in the right; "Ismarus" is the better name for it.--Cúchullain /c 20:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
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Iman Wilkens
Antiphus, in case you are not aware, there is a Misplaced Pages policy, Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources, that tells us what types of secondary sources we need to use for Misplaced Pages articles. If you read this policy, I hope you'll see why I say Wilkens is not a reliable source. Thanks. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- The where-abouts of Odysseus in the Atlantic is an opinion of Wilkens and the whereabouts of Odysseus in the Mediterranean is another opinion and not a fact. Antiphus 15:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're misinterpreting the policy. Anything anyone says can be characterized as an "opinion". But not all opinions should be included in Misplaced Pages, especially ones that don't come from a reliable source. I'm quite sure that someone has the "opinion" that Homer's poetry is actually an encoded form of Basque. But the Homer article does't report that, because no reliable source says anything close to that. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- There are no secondary sources for the opinion that Homer's poetry is a form of Basque, which you gave as an example but there are secondary sources for Wilkens ideas, such as M. H vosz, C.J. de Grave, Th. Cailleux and E. Gideon. Antiphus 17:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're misinterpreting the policy. Anything anyone says can be characterized as an "opinion". But not all opinions should be included in Misplaced Pages, especially ones that don't come from a reliable source. I'm quite sure that someone has the "opinion" that Homer's poetry is actually an encoded form of Basque. But the Homer article does't report that, because no reliable source says anything close to that. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, there is a source for the Basque idea, the work of Edo Nyland. Look him up on google, it's fun stuff. But it is very far from mainstream scholarship, and not a suitable source for Misplaced Pages.
- I'm not familiar with the authors that you name, but they don't seem to be notable scholars; scholar.google.com doesn't turn up much. --Akhilleus (talk) 17:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- So, scholar.google.com doesn't turn up much. I never claimed that these people are notable scholars. The world is a lot larger than the scholar community. This section of society doesn't hold the monopoly as far as knowledge or research is concerned, and thank God for that. Was Schliemann a notable scholar? Antiphus 17:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, regardless of what you think about academia, the Misplaced Pages policy on verifiability states "Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources." Since google scholar doesn't turn up citations for any of the writers you've named, it's easy to conclude that they don't meet Misplaced Pages's standards for "reliable and reputable sources."
- Schliemann himself doesn't fit the profile of a notable scholar, but it's obvious that his work has had a massive impact on scholarship: pick up any work on the Mycenaeans, and Schliemann will be mentioned; his books are still cited in scholarship. Wilkens cannot claim the same level of fame, and I doubt that he ever will be able to. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Not taking Wilkens ideas serious, has been a major mistake, I think, but Misplaced Pages is a good medium to get acquainted to these ideas. If not, what is Misplaced Pages good for, anyway? Then we'll just look up an old encyclopedia to read what we have known already for ages. And to my question: why so many people find the theory exciting, I will give the answer myself; not because it's ridiculous, but quite the opposite: because it at least gives plausible, logical answers to questions that in the Mediterranean setting can never be answered and, I think, does even reveal the mystery of Iliad and Odyssey. Antiphus 23:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Go on, Antiphus, fighting for NPOV in WP !
I stumbled by chance on your following post : "Mr. Dieter A. Bachmann from Zürich, why do you believe that it is necessary to be insulting? I take it that you refer to the ideas of Wilkens, or do you mean Mr. Wilkens personally? And Mr Akhillleus, why do you think it necessary to call in the help of Mr. Bachmann? Antiphus 11:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)". so, I found necessary to encourage you in your fight against the "pack of wolves" lead by Mr Dieter Bachmann, who are presently trying to impose their POV in Misplaced Pages on lots of matters. These guys, whose pseudos are "Dbachmann", "Akhilleus", "Scabbers the Rat", "Pmanderson", "Gbrunner", to cite the most active of them, have discovered that, when you are acting like a pack of wolves, each biting the adversary in alternance, you may impose your POV on Misplaced Pages. So, each time one of them wants to impose his POV, he calls the others in at the rescue. This is why Mr Akhilleus has called in the help of Mr Bachmann... These guys are killing the WP NPOV spirit, and are spreading around hatred and resentment by their dictatorial manners. But they don't care : what counts for them is to control the WP !... What can be do against that ? I don't know, and I am not a WP-administrator... But be sure that tens of WP-users would be glad to see Mr Bachmann and his pack out ! In the name of all these anonymous users, I greet your courage. Please receive our kindest regards and best wishes. (An anonymous WP-user).