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Revision as of 20:48, 1 October 2006

September 2006

Thank you for experimenting with the page Esthero on Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. --- The Bethling 04:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• You, along with everyone else who uses "popups," need to learn how to read the edit before jumping on the revert button. I fail to understand how else a sourced factual correction such as this could be mistaken for vandalism. Yet it happened twice. For goodness sake. Anonymous 57 04:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The changes you made Esthero are really not suitable for an encyclopedia. If you want to correct or clarify the pronounciation, then please do it in a more formal way. The use of the first person is never appropriate in Misplaced Pages. I'm not going to revert it right now, since I do beleive you're attempting to improve Misplaced Pages. --- The Bethling 04:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Where did I use the first person? If you're referring to the text inside the quotation... well, God help this "encyclopedia." Anonymous 57 04:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

That's what I'm refering to. "but i'll settle for es STAIR o....you kinda gotta pronounce the 'th'....i friggin hate ES thero." Is that a quote from the artist? As it stands, it looks like it's a comment about your opinion that'd being put in, and that's why it looks like vandalism to the rest of us. --- The Bethling 04:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • Yeah, it's a quote from the artist, which I thought would be obvious from the use of quotation marks and the source in parentheses directly following, standard procedure for quotes. I should know by now, though, that Misplaced Pages prides itself on its hostility to infrequent contributors such as myself. Shame on me for forgetting. Anonymous 57 04:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

There are style guides to writing in the formal tone that Misplaced Pages editors want. In this case, you'll probably want this one on pronunciation guides. As for the citation, I don't think parenthesis and quote marks alone qualify it as a reliable published source. Find something on the person's website or an interview or something. Random emails just can't be fact-checked. -- Shadowlynk 04:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • Seeing as how the incorrect original pronunciation is just as unsourced (even more unsourced, frankly, than this email quote), I don't see that your reversion is warranted. Anonymous 57 04:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say you HAD to source it (though if the pronunciation of this person's name is this controversial, maybe it should be), I just said that if you do intend to source something you should make sure it's a reliable one that's cited properly, which unfortunately "(e-mail)" isn't. Nor is just the allegation of a Misplaced Pages editor, thanks to "no original research". I won't touch the article any more, as this is hardly an area of my expertise, but others will probably try to clean it up to meet standards. -- Shadowlynk 04:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not controversial at all, except that people with "popups" (some sort of bot, I'm assuming) kept re-inserting the false material, presumably in the name of the War on Vandalism. If you questioned the reliability of the correction, try considering the reliability of the original version (in this case: inferior to the correction) before you revert to it. Sheesh. Anonymous 57 04:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

All popups is is a little bit of code you put in your userspace that gives shortcut links in a tooltip-like pop up window. Not much bot to it, just saves a couple clicks. We DO still read the edits, and as Bethling mentioned, the phrasing and the lack of a proper citation made it look like you were just adding personal commentary. And we are considering the reliability of BOTH versions, right here and now: if we were certain that the original version was correct, we'd just keep reverting your edits. However, we're not sure, and that's why we're trying to talk to you to help you make your edit look good. -- Shadowlynk 05:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Dude, who's "we"? That's really creeping me out. Anonymous 57 05:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Bethling. She started this conversation. :) -- Shadowlynk 05:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Canada

Did you not notice in the References section at the bottom of the page that every section of the article not only has notes but references that back up the section. The page has gone through Featured article status, and is referenced. -- Jeff3000 20:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Under wikipedia guidelines, not every statement needs a ref tag. Your behaviour is disruptive. -- Jeff3000 20:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course some statements are referenced, but there are still many, many assertions that have absolutely nothing at all to back them up. Every single statement must meet WP:V and WP:NOR. Please show me where it says otherwise. Anonymous 57 20:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

And they are, look at the References section at the bottom of the page. The books are there. Also check the archives, it goes though the act of every section being referenced. -- Jeff3000 20:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's the archive Talk:Canada/Archive8#References. -- Jeff3000 20:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Then use the appropriate <ref name="..." /> tags to mark these statements as referenced, if you know which source corresponds to which statement. Anything less is profoundly unhelpful. Anonymous 57 20:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)