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You were called a Bigot on Radio Show in USA!

On the Jeff Rense Show on Sept 22, 2006 the guest named William H. Kennedy claimed that he got Brad Patrick to remove his entry from Wiki and that you were a Protestant Bigot from Nothern Ireland! Thought you would want to know. Yo Yo Go Go 00:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

A shame really that I don't believe you and that you appear to have all your facts completely wrong as usual. Ben W Bell talk 06:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no Misplaced Pages entry on William H. Kennedy check for yourself. There used to be and now its gone. Brad Patrick caved in -- what a wimp! Kennedy was on the Jeff Rense show on Sept 22, 2006 and did call you a Protestant Bigot! If you are so divorsed from reality that you cannot assess hard facts than you are a typical Misplaced Pages editor! Yo Yo Go Go 11:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

No I mean who says I'm a Protestant? Also I don't believe my name appeared on some silly radio show spouting such incorrect items about me. Did you bother to check that small facoid? Ben W Bell talk 12:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Well Jeff Rense has over 8 million listeners per day and you were mentioned. Check for yourself at www.rense.com -- you can fact check that yourself. If you are not Protestant than you can sue Rense for allowing Slander on his show. I sent the interview to Gerry Adams's group and others who do not like your kind. You are not from a Catholic background and it is for you to prove differently. I hope the Brit rule ends in Northern Ireland and it will as Catholics out breed the frigid Protestant men! Yo Yo Go Go 16:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Who don't like my kind? I'm sorry but you've really got me at a loss here, I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. So may I ask, out of interest, what on earth I've apparently done to earn your animosity? Oh and I find nothing on that site about a show with my name being mentioned. Ben W Bell talk 18:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

You have to pay to hear the interview but millions subscribe. By "you" I mean the Orangeman bigot that you are and that everyone knows you are. Your neutrality nonsense fools no one.

                                                                   "Spirit of Bobby Sands"

24.147.33.121 19:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just re-adding the IP signature of this user. Both users' (24.147.33.121 and Yo Yo Go Go) existance appear to be only to add comments to this talk page (see here and here). I have placed a warning on Yo Yo Go Go's talk page. --Mal 17:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry you appear to have me confused with someone else. I'm not an Orangeman or a member of the Orange Order and I find the thought that you would think I am quite offensive. I cannot stand the 12th July and have no time for bigoted people on either side of the so called petty religious divide that exists just because some people cannot get along with their neighbours. Also you have not been able to tell me anything I've supposedly done. I've been accused of being a radical Unionist, and a radical Republican on Misplaced Pages and I can guarantee you I'm neither of those. I really should have been born Swiss or Swedish, neutral people who can get on with others. Ben W Bell talk 19:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

AvPvM links

But the links I added were relavent to those properties seeing the games does go indepth on the whole Alien and Predator universe in detail. AvPvM is not one of those here today, gone tomorrow fan sites. It has been around for years. The detail in the game (which I do not own or contribute too) goes in detail for Marines, Aliens, and Predator species independantly.

Have you even looked at **AVPVM to claim it does not follow all three species?

Thegrimmling

Useless Edits

You must have a lot of time on your hands. It seems to me that you are wasting your time spending your days changing your things from Ireland to Rep. of Ireland and from Ireland to Northern. This is an obvious political issue for you. According to Misplaced Pages's article on Country, it states that In the English language, the terms nation (cultural), country (geographical) and state (political) do have precise meanings, but in daily speech and writing they are often used interchangeably, and are open to different interpretations. When we are stating the country that a player or person comes from, we are merely stating a geographical location. Its obvious that your actions, are political and you are trying to make a political statement on each page. Frainc 16:27 20 September 2006

Um excuse me? I have no political motivations whatsoever with these edits, merely altering the items in question so the "Country of birth" points to the country article. Do you have a political motivation then to want it to point to the article on the island of Ireland rather than the country of Ireland when that isn't what the information is stated to be representing? Anyway nation, state and country are all Republic of Ireland, commonly referred to as Ireland. Also note that I am not altering the text of the articles, and I presume you're talking about the GAA articles here, to say Republic of Ireland, simply the linking to link to the country it is talking about. I have no political motivations whatsoever beyond striving for some degree of consistency and accuracy of definition on Misplaced Pages and these edits are by no means useless as you seem to imply. Ben W Bell talk 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ethnocentric pro-alcoholic propaganda

Propaganda

Stop using Misplaced Pages as your own personal propaganda medium to promote the campaign of the United States for a world without drugs (that compete with the American Ones). If you want to have a rant against pharmacological dissidents try to make your own article on your "drug controls" which should be called "forced drug (v.gr. alcohol) promotion by the United States". User page Discussion Edit this page + History Move Unwatch Drcaldev 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Prohibition badly named

Ok, I accept your argument. So prohibition should be renamed to Prohibition (Alcohol).

Look, I assume good faith on your contributions and you shoulg do the same on mine. My behavior is not vandalic. Yours would be if you insist in bullying. Drcaldev 08:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I ask for a ban or some stop to the revert abuse of "Ben W Bell", who vandalizes and reverts on my contributions

The statement by Ben W Bell in my User Talk: "Please stop using Misplaced Pages as your own personal soapbox to try and put forward your POV on topics" is a gratuitous personal attack which I responded to. I ask for banning Bell from doing vandalism on my contributions. He is obviously bullying because of his conservative militaristic POV, reflected in the contributions of his. Drcaldev 05:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Magnets

I used to think that my face had become a smoke magnet. No matter where I would sit, my (late) first wife's cigarette smoke would wander directly for me.

Looks like you've developed a loon magnet of late. Illegitimus non carborundum. ClairSamoht - Help make Misplaced Pages the most authoritative source of information in the world 07:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I do seem to attract them don't I. It's like when I sit in the park and feed the ducks, all the local loons seem to come out of the woodwork and sit beside me. If I had a pound for everytime someone told me they had a nuclear bomb in their taty old bag I've at least be a few pounds richer. :) Ben W Bell talk 07:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Popular Alliance (UK)

Hi - you've just sent me a message complaining about my deleting content from Misplaced Pages. What I've actually done is move a biography of an individual on the Popular Alliance (UK) article into a separate article for the individual concerned. What's more I intend to do the same with the other bio. The objective is to make the page more like an encyclopedia and less like a soapbox for the Popular Alliance (UK). I don't see why this is considered vandalism but if you've got any advice or comments on how to do this better then please let me know. Dennett p 11:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry my bad. Reading through the article again I see what you did. Accept my apologies, you are correct, but I didn't see the data being moved anywhere. Ben W Bell talk 11:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't be so one-sided

Ben instead of just targeting me and telling me not remove warnings, which are false and hypocritical,I suggest you take a look at what User:Hkelkar and his accomplice or could be sock puppet User:bakasuprman been up to. They seem to be tag teaming my user talk page and other pages. User:Hkelkar has also removed plenty of warnings from his page also. I have nothing to hide but I will not be attacked by a prejudiced bigot who alters pages to promote his political views. Thank you --Kathanar 14:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

You removed valid warnings, you have been blocked for them last week. Removal of valid warnings is construed as vandalism. Also accusing User:bakasuprman of being a sockpuppet of User:Hkelkar is just preposterous is you spend even 10 seconds looking at those user accounts, they are not the same person. Continuing accusations like that could result in action against you. I shall look into the edits of the others involved but do not remove warnings from your page. Ben W Bell talk 14:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben thank you for taking a look at the situation, I still think User:Hkelkar behavior has been more than unfair and uncivil and I think I'm getting the raw end of the deal, but it sounds like you're trying to be fair, and if thats the case I appreciate that. Note that he continually vandalizes Kancha Ilaiah page by removal of links, I have given him a warnings before and have given him a final warning. I want him reported, tell me if there is anything else you need. Thanks--Kathanar 14:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually my edits there are entirely valid as the links that he placed are irrelevant (Ilaiah is not a Dalit so links to Dalit don't count; Kathanar is trying to push an illegitimate POV here). If you remember our discussion regarding this subject earlier...Hkelkar

User:Hkelkar Your edits are illegitimate, if you are so vehement against Kancha Ilaiah, you would know he is in support of dalits and their rights, hence your attacks against him. You are further invalidated by the fact that on Kancha Ilaiah page it says specifically "movement for the empowerment of Dalits" in the first paragraph.

Ben this in itself should show you what type of person User:Hkelkar is and his tendency just to make trouble anytime he can by biasing anything with his own POV.

Dalits would count him as one of their own also, government of India definitions do not make for what he can support or identify with, he is of the lower oppressed classes and thats what dalits are. If you need to discuss this with me Ben, feel free to. Stop trying to spread lies on wikipedia User:Hkelkar, it should be beneath you and reveals you for what you are.--Kathanar 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kathanar deserves a block as do all the anti-Hindu users who accuse me of being socks behind my back.`Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Really can you explain this. Ikon |no-blast 08:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Bakasuprman if you continue making baseless defamatory remarks, I will recommend actions against you. This should have nothing to do with you, and this is exactly why there were suscpicions of sock puppetry as you seem to team up with User:Hkelkar whenever you get a chance. Ben this is getting ridiculous--Kathanar 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Those pages were on my watchlist. I had edited Kancha Ilaiah in August even before Hkelkar and you ever came on wiki. Please see WP:TROLL and if any "case" is filed against me I will crush it and the cabal who motivates the action against established legitimate users. Unlike Hkelkar I am Heavy handed.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

British Isles

Yeah that was my intention. I guess I forgot to make sure El gringo still had the last edit before I did the revert. Sorry. josh (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Personal atatcks continue

I'm afraid I'm disappointed that the user kathanar persists on his vandalism and attacks in my talk page

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AHkelkar&diff=78325128&oldid=78310749

Pleae take some action as this user is becoming incorrigible with his tendentous vandalism. I'm surprised that admins ignore some user's misuse of wikipedia despite repeated complaints and personal attacks.Hkelkar 21:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of warnings

Ben this fellow User:Hkelkar continues to remove the legitimate warning left for continually vandalizing Kancha Ilaiah page. He continually removes relevant links from Kancha Ilaiah page that I have to re-add constantly. I don't care if he claims a so called "anti-hindu" platform, which is a smoke screen to browbeat people and devalue and try to discredit other people. He has used this as a excuse long enough.

He seems to make a agenda of making harsh attacks against people that might remove bias or add relevant items to biographies of people he doesn't agree with. He is becoming quite a problem and he is hypocritical in that his first actions are to attack and make stupendous claims and warnings but will remove any legitimate warning from his page. He has been warned many times before, actions might need to be taken, as he is not taking seriously what civility means on wikipedia and thinks hes above others in being able to vandalize pages.

He along with User:bakasuprman(who I don't see why he gets involved in this, which what made me suspect sock puppetry) gang up and make attacks against others. Please take a look as admins had no problem taking action against me on his behalf, I don't seem similar fair treatment meted out against him. User:bakasuprman needs to mind his own business also if it doesn't concern him, even if they are buddies, and might need a reprimand for his actions. Have a good day.--Kathanar 13:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Baka is my sockpuppet? yes I see that this Kathanar follows the "time honored wikipedia policy" of everybody is assuming bad faith except for me and my monkey. If you look at mine and baka's edit histories you will clearly see that Baka has around 1000 edits making the claim of sockpuppetry patently ridiculous.Hkelkar 16:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I have nearly 4ooo edits. Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hkelkar has vandalized Kancha Ilaiah page again

Ben I am recommending action to be taken against User:Hkelkar, he has vandalized Kancha Ilaiah page again, by removing the links to Dalit, Shudra, racial discrimination and civil rights. This is not his right to do, and he does it with impunity. Action has to be taken, I recommend he be blocked, his behavior is beyond reproachable.

No he hadn't. Looking at the history logs he hasn't altered this page since yesterday evening, and he certainly hasn't done so since you last left a message on my talk page recently. I've looked at the list of see alsos on that page and removed some that aren't relevant or necessary, see the talk page. And please try and discuss your differences in talk pages rather than accusing each other of vandalism and leaving warnings on each other's talk pages. Assume good faith and discuss your differences of opinions. Ben W Bell talk 15:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kathanar has been steadily harassing me with bogus vandalism tags. Please talk to him or else his actions will go from unbearable to totally intolerable.Hkelkar 15:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, just looked at the logs, you're right he did it yesterday evening, action still needs to be taken as there is a continous history of it, and a history of him removing his warnings.It also happened within a 24 hour period. I've noticed you have not been making any strong condemnations toward him as much as you have toward me, I think you need too see whats fair here also.Tell me your thoughts, thanks--Kathanar 15:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for intervening on this issue Ben.I could use a neutral pair of eyes to root out the fringe lunatics who have been vandalizing the article, and I could also use your constructive criticisms of my edits.Hkelkar 15:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben, User:Hkelkar seems to be gloating, thinking you're on his side, hope you show thats not true--Kathanar 15:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

If he were "on my side" he would not have criticized so many of my edits and I would not have agreed with him on most counts.The more correct statement is that I am on his side because he is an admin and I am more trustworthy of his assessment than a user with a clear systemic bias.Hkelkar 16:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your "edits" were clear unsustainable, I haven't seen any "criticism" yet of your edits, just removals, he needs to make a statement on your activities which he hasn't. I am curious as to why--Kathanar 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

All my edits werre sourced and from qualified links. Your (Kathanar's) edits are sourced from Bible-Thumpers and whack-job nihilists who can't be stated without appropriate qualification.Hkelkar 18:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Harassment by User:Hkelkar needs to stop

Ben I am being constantly harassed and hounded by this User:Hkelkar, he is constantly changing any of my additions to a article to a his POV bias and making threats against me, like he just did on my talk page. This is ridiculous, something has to be done about him, if you can't help me, then refer me to someone else who can. I think if you really have been investigating his actions you would act more fairly. I need a response soon.--Kathanar 19:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Point of fact I have always restricted my comments to content and not contributor. This kathanar chap chooses to interpret the comment as a personal attack and the last time I checked, wikipedia does not run on his interpretation. However, his constant bogus tags and threats of "action", as well as accusing me of being "anti-Christian" does count as personal attacks. Diffs are below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kathanar&diff=prev&oldid=78553249 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Kancha_Ilaiah&diff=prev&oldid=78548521

Looked at both diffs, don't see any validity to his claims, look at history of conversation, and you will see its nonsense. He is targeting me and certain articles of because his personal POV and bias--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary is a personal attack: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kancha_Ilaiah&diff=prev&oldid=78547477

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy WP:NPA says so my dear chap.Hkelkar 20:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

In case Kathanar tries some sort of Drumhead trial against me, I'd very much like your involvement if you could spare the time. I would also appreciate it if you explained to this chap the differences between commenting on content and contributor. he clearly seems confused between the two.Hkelkar 19:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how he can talk about anyone else as his language is more defamatory and insulting than any I've seen on wiki, with the exception of a few, I think serious investigation is needed with his actions--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Insulting towards content, not towards contributor. I actually think kathanr's a pretty nice guy.I don't consider his edits (most of them anyway) to be in conformity with wikipedia policy so I criticized them as is my duty as a wikipedian. I continue to be disappointed at the partisan biases on wikipedia articles which shoot the scholarly value of the encyclopedia straight to the Ninth Circle of Hell guided there by certain wikipedia Kerberoses (being such a Christian-lover, I'm sure Kathanar knows what that means). The reason why I joined up on wikipedia is because of it's reputation for inaccuracy which I am doing my level best to correct. I do not believe that we can let non-knowledgable editors mess up the process until they learn wikipedia policy and learn to do good research in order to make their edits. I am happy to help Kathanar in this regard provided he stops hatemongering and bugging me.Hkelkar 19:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow I've never seen such a change of tune, it is schizophrenic though as User:Hkelkar has not tried to help or correct me in wikipedia, he has been attacking me and harassing me, there is a distinction. He is more than a little heavy-handed Ben and you should take notice of that. I'm glad he claims the he thinks I'm a nice guy, sure doesn't show in his actions <signed by Kathanar>.

Kathanar Might want to look up schizophrenia, as well as the mental diseases such as psychopathology, sociopathy and troll.Hkelkar 03:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

anti-Christian???

In fact, if you look at my edits to Persecution of Christians you will see that I am not an anti-Christian at all (as kathanar alleges), just anti-Fundamentalist-Christian. This entire section Persecution of Christians#Persecution of Christians in Pakistan was created and edited by me only.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Persecution_of_Christians&diff=77902818&oldid=77768717

Hkelkar 20:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually your writings are also anti-muslim and and anti-pakistan, you just use one to justify the other when it suits you. If you were anti-fundamentalist christian, this is you admiting to this label, you seem to paint a broad stroke in who you label as such. You might as well say you're writings and editing are anti-christian--Kathanar 20:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I hope that Ben will take action for another personal attack. This is the third one this day. Good thing Kathanar did it on an admin's page.Hkelkar 21:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your role on Kancha Ilaiah

I have come to know about situation on Kancha Ilaiah through my watchlist of some userpages.I blv you should pull out from that page because what I could see you do have slight inclination towards Hkelkar view , and should stop taking any admin action there because I don't think that will be neutral.Thanx. Ikon |no-blast 06:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well considering you used to go by the username of User:Holywarrior and I intervened in that page before that ended up being mainly against you I'm not surprised you have that opinion. I shall intervene where I see to be necessary to stop disruption on Misplaced Pages. Ben W Bell talk 06:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong to assume ended up being mainly against you your aim should only be that article should not end up against WP:Policy.BTW a little pondered part of wikipedia is gaming part done by admin.Don't forget the version carved before your alleged ended up being mainly against you was fecilitated by 3 admins which I can prove to be gaming by admins.Block on Khatnar wd be just repeat of the same old story paving way for Hkelkar and co. Ikon |no-blast 07:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well you have obviously not read a single piece of my intervention on this particular matter. I have no bias towards either user, and if you'll note I've just warned both users to cut it out or they each risk being blocked due to their edits and antics. As for gaming by admins I have no idea what you are talking about. Ben W Bell talk 07:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes I should have seen both the page.I admit I was wrong to assume you threatened block to khatnar only ,infact Hkelkar's page is in my watchlist because we are editing many common articles and Khatnar's page and Kancha Ilaiah page is not in my watchlist.Sorry for bothering you. Ikon |no-blast 07:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Bogus sock tags by ikonoblast

I should point out that he has placed sock tags on User:Bakasuprman also.Hkelkar 17:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for censuring him.Bakaman _Bakatalk 21:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Plz don't mislead I had tagged only after filing RFCU which is an accepted method, and tag was suspected only.Plz look what tag he had used on Dhammafriend and other page which was not even entertained. Ikon |no-blast 11:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD headers

When closing AfDs, it is advisable to add the closing top template above the header rather than below it. I've fixed it for you : . Please bear this in mind when closing AfDs in future, thanks! :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 08:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You made it Now You proove it

Shame some of the ones you placed are not sockpuppets then. Hleklar-or however you spell it isn't a sockpuppet this has been proven.

Show me the proofs plz. Ikon |no-blast 12:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Also clarify who are others in your some-- To tell you I have spared even Densaguo the request of whom is not decline. Ikon |no-blast 12:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A close look will reveal he is also from the same campus--Wow what a coincidence--- and that will be an interesting situation.3 persons sharing same set of IPs, pursuing same course and having same words and thoughts too!!!!!  Ikon |no-blast 13:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Your silence is meaningful--- I wd say Khatnar or whatever way you spell was right in assuming you are clearly one sided and biased.BYE. Ikon |no-blast 13:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It has been shown and proved that Hleklar isn't a sockpuppet of those you accused him to be. As for silence, well some of us have work to do rather than being on here over the last 25 minutes to reply to you. Ben W Bell talk 13:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It is neither shown nor proved :have a look at RFCU result.I am not willing to accept off wiki medium which are obviously tempered ,lacks in transparency , and involves few ppl .BTW even that does not say he is not.  Ikon |no-blast 13:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Howevr I must appreciate last statement did awake you in real time. Ikon |no-blast 13:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh and for your information I am not biased as you so stated in your edit comments. I have no favourtism towards any users on Misplaced Pages, or otherwise, in my role as an admin. If you have a grudge against me for some reason due to my opinions on the issues when you were the user HolyWarrior then come out and say it, otherwise leave my talk page alone. I have shown no bias in any of these matters as anyone who wishes to view my contributions can see, and the dispute between Hlelkar and Khatanar I undertook only to stop both users from further disrupting Misplaced Pages with their antics on both sides. Ben W Bell talk 13:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comments are almost equivalent to Hkelkar's comment that he is not sockpupeteer.You are wrong in requesting that I sd leave your page---Infact you must not make such proposition being an admin and not after having left a near insulting remark on my userpage.Thanks. Ikon |no-blast 13:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)