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Moving articles

Hi there, you moved Fremont Bridge to Fremont Bridge (Seattle, Washington), but it appears you did this simply by cutting and pasting the text of the article to the new article. By doing this, you've sacrificed the entire edit history for the article. While this is not a tragedy for such a small article, it can be dire for large articles with a long edit history. For future reference, if you move articles again, use the "Move this page" link. Using this method will preserve the history for the article as well as move the associated talk page. Thanks, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! --Lukobe 03:04, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) P.S. I subsequently created a disambiguation page at Fremont Bridge, at which you left the Seattle text, and changed Fremont Bridge (Seattle, Washington) to Fremont Bridge (Seattle), since there's only one Seattle.

Peer review

Template:PR-reminder - Taxman 23:40, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

A belated welcome to Misplaced Pages! We can always use another contributor who specializes in topics about Oregon. -- llywrch 20:02, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Tim Hardin

I was very glad to see that we finally got an article on Tim Hardin. (If you came in through Slashdot, this is some measure of payback for all the nuisances we've had with Slashdotters inserting errors in articles just to see how long they stay there.) In answer to the questions you raised on the Talk page, I'd say that you should add basic information about his wife and children if you have it, but we don't need to know a lot of detail about them except to the extent it relates to his work. As for the album listing, I think the best approach is the one you've followed of narrating the biography without mentioning every album along the way. If you want to, you could do as some articles on musicians do and add a "Discography" section that would list everything with just album title and year of release. JamesMLane 21:48, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

creating categories

The easiest way to create a category is to put an article in it. Then you will get a red (or otherwise non-functional) link from that article. If you click the link, you will be taken straight to the page to edit that category. (You can also enter the category name into the address bar of your web browser, perhaps replacing the name of another category to make sure you get it right.)

The category only sort of exists when it just has articles in it. It doesn't really exist until you edit the category page and add something to it, like a description and a category of its own.

If you're working on categories for things like cities and states in the U.S., the thing to do is to look at the other states and see how the categorization looks there. Ideally, no category should be an "orphan"—every category should belong to one, possibly more, other categories.

Does that help? ] 19:54, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Misplaced Pages's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

January 15 Seattle meetup

Just wanted to let you know we are planning another Seattle meetup on January 15, 2005. We're trying to get a sense of who will attend, so please drop by that page & leave a note. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:48, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

OMSI

Hi: I noticed your contribution of the OMSI picutre. Very nice! Tygar 03:31, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Cacophony 03:58, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Oregon Collaboration Project

Hi, Perhaps sometime we could gather some other people willing to contribute to Oregon related articles, and start up an Oregon collaboration project? Tygar 07:41, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

New BNSF lift bridge image

Greetings. Nice image and a vast improvement over the earlier version. Could you send me the full image via e-mail? (E-mail me via my home page and I will send you an address - WP mail does not allow attachments.) I will then de-rotate it in Photoshop to get the horizon level and re-clip it for the two images. Thanks, Leonard G. 16:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I couldn't find an email address, but I will fix that. I needed to resize the BNSF photo anyway. Good job on the Bridge article! Cacophony 05:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

The images are now much improved, thanks. I also used your user page Dalles Bridge image in the Cantilever bridge article. To send e-mail from either the user or user talk page use the toolbox below the search box, item "E-mail this user" Leonard G. 04:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

No problem-o. Thanks for the tip on the email. Keep up the good work! Cacophony 17:44, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Eastbank Esplanade image?

You uploaded Image:EastbankEsplanade.jpg, but you didn't put a copyright status. I kind of assumed you took the picture yourself, but there isn't a copyright status listed. Sarge Baldy 09:43, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not sure how that happened. I updated the source info and added a GFDL tag. Thanks! Cacophony 17:22, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Bridge Categorization

Many bridges are beset with many different views on how they should be categorized. The issue of category duplications has been discussed for many months at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization. I am hoping that you can take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Updating_the_section_on_category_duplications. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 09:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I followed the link and it is somewhat difficult to see the forrest for the trees. I'll comment on the Talk:Cats page, but it dosen't look like anything near a consensus has been determined. I'll go through the archives for more direction but my goal is to get rid of categories that have 1-5 article in them. I really think that each bridge should belong to Cat:<bridge type (Cat:Suspension bridges), Cat:<bridge location by state> (Cat:Bridges in Oregon), and if applicable Cat:<Toll roads by state> (Cat:Toll roads in Oregon). From my experience those seem like the most meaningful categories (from the standpoint of the category page itself, it makes the articles have a lot of categories). Cacophony 17:49, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject bridges

Hi again. You might want to take a look at San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge - it is now a featured article after considerable work by myself and Samuel Wantman. We intend to use this as a prototype for other specific bridge articles (this uses a modified taxobox template that includes a regional map).

BTW, I have self nominated for Administrator status and your support would be especially welcome. - Leonard G. 15:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support of my RfA, which I have formally withdrawn. The full text of my withdrawal and statement of appreciation is on the RfA page. Best wishes, Leonard G. 03:45, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorization

You were listed on the Misplaced Pages:Wikipedians/Oregon page as living in or being associated with Oregon. As part of the Misplaced Pages:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Oregon for instructions. Rmky87 15:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Hi Cacophony,

Thanks for your note, and your contributions of the AWESOME bridge pictures! I've added myself into the Category:Wikipedians in Oregon. Thanks for suggesting that. I'll send a note to Alphalife and have him list there as well..

Ajbenj 03:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Another thanks

Hi,

Got your note, and am following your advice. --EngineerScotty 20:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Bridge Project

I just signed up. LeonardG and I worked on getting the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge to FA quality with the hope that it would be a model for Bridge articles. I've been working on List of largest suspension bridges with the hope that it would be a model for bridge lists. Perhaps we could discuss the pros and cons of these articles at the bridge project page and perfect them as models. -- Samuel Wantman 01:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I received your note. Please furnish the link for the project page and I will discuss there. Thanks, Leonard G. 19:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Hoan Bridge

Hi.. I noticed your tweek to the Hoan Bridge article and thought I'd pick your brain, since you seem to be much more knowledgeable on the subject... most media and engineer references I've seen refer to it as a long-span bridge, and it even won the "Long Span Bridge Award" from the American Institute of Steel Construction. The photo only shows a distinct section of it which spans the harbor, but I can see how it would be categorized as a tied-arch bridge. Can it be both, or is the term long-span just a generic description? Thanks! 72.131.44.247 00:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The term long-span only refers to its length and not necessarily what type of construction/structure is used. Most suspension bridges and cantilever bridges are long-span bridges. Cacophony 00:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Tacoma Narrows Bridge

Hi, I'm wondering if you have a picture of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge and the current construction. The only picture at the article is one of the collapse. -- Samuel Wantman 10:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a picture, but next time I'm in that neck of the woods, I'll stop by and snap one. Cacophony 17:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Over-categorizing

Hi. You reverted my changes to Sunshine Skyway Bridge saying it should be in both Category:Toll bridges in Florida and Category:Bridges in Florida. By that logic, you should also include it in Category:Toll bridges (which is also underpopulated) and Category:Toll roads in Florida. Saying the category is underpopulated isn't a reason to list it in multiple places — that's a reason to get rid of the category and merge it into its parent.

Including in a category and that category's parent goes against the policy in Misplaced Pages:Categorization. Misplaced Pages:Categorization#Creating subcategories: A good general rule is that articles should be placed in the most specific categories they reasonably fit in. For example, Queen Elizabeth should not be listed directly under People, but 'Category:Monarchs of the United Kingdom' might be a good place for her. We know that all Queens of the United Kingdom qualify as Famous Britons and as Royalty, and all of those folks qualify as People Misplaced Pages:Categorization#When to use categories: An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory, for example Microsoft Office is in Category:Microsoft software, so should not also be in Category:Software. wknight94 11:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I would prefer if this conversation took place on the Wikiproject talk page related to Bridge Categorization. As you can see above, I am very familiar with the Misplaced Pages pages related to Categorization and have commented on such talk pages. I somewhat agree with your reasoning, but when you create categories with one or two articles, it makes the categorization meaningless. It would be like your above example, if you were to create a category called Category:Monarchs of the United Kingdom named Elizabeth. Some categories are just too specific to have any value. With your scheme things are broken up too much. This has become particularly troublsome for the east coast bridges. Where does it end, Category:Toll suspension bridges in Broward County, Florida. Part of Wikiproject:Bridges is going to be fixing this problem so that categorization of the east coast bridges has meaning and value. Cacophony 17:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll copy all this to the place you suggested — feel free to delete this...  :) wknight94 18:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I've been trying to work out an agreement with User:SPUI about toll bridges. He's the person who keeps taking the NYC toll bridges out of the NYC bridges category. I'd appreciate if you commented on his user page, and also on the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 03:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Conde McCullough

Hi Cacophony, this article was tagged by User:Kwh on 25 July as a copyvio, stated reason was that it was too similiar to the asce bio. I resolved the copyvio by deleting the article, but kept some of the later edits, which I credited in the edit summary, and create a new article at Conde McCullough/Temp, which then became the article.

In looking back at the deleted history I see that the original edit was a paraphrasing of the asce article, but I wouldn't consider it a copyright violation. I think I made a mistake in deleting it while resolving the listings at WP:CP. My apologies. I've undeleted the history, feel free to restore the old article. --Duk 21:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:NYC Hudson River crossings

Hi, I haven't seen you comment on the Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion page regarding this. I paraphrased what I thought you meant in my comment because I felt it was important that dissenting voices be heard especially yours and other Bridge Project members. I hope you'll consider commenting (whether you've changed your mind or not!!!) even though I do think of the three navigation/listing templates that some of the NYC bridges have now, this is the one to go... Thanks! (watching here if you want to reply here) ++Lar 14:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

cat people

Yes, I totally agree that those people should be in categories more specific than category people. I'm thrilled that you're moving them. My thinking was that it's better to have them in cat people then in uncat. People interested in people categorization (like yourself, perhaps?) will be more likely to find them in cat people than in uncat. If I'm wrong about that, please point me to that relevant guideline, talk, or project pages so I may learn how to be more effective. peace, Tedernst | talk 01:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:UnionStationPortland.jpg

Per WP:CSD I1, when an image is duplicated in Wikimedia Commons, use the {{NowCommons}} template. Regards, howcheng {chat} 07:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposal about categories and subcategories

I've posted a proposal about categories and subcategories here. Please take a look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 09:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox_Bridge

It would help if you would explain in specific terms what was "broken" about my edit. -- Netoholic @ 21:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

First off, I'm using Safari. The images were no longer inside the box and they were offset to from the infobox (the image went further to the right than the infobox. I don't know much at all about infoboxes, I just know that they looked much worse after your change today. Cacophony 01:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. In order to use the template, and move the image to the right place, follow this example. Notice also that the ] is eliminated, so you just give "image= filename". -- Netoholic @ 01:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Recent Changes Camp in Portland

FYI RecentChangesCamp Tedernst | talk 22:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Oregon Highways WikiProject

I've noticed that you have contributed significantly to the wiki pages on Oregon state highways. Are you interested in starting an Oregon Highways WikiProject? If so, please discuss at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads. Thanks! --EngineerScotty 06:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Portland police

Why did you remove the photo?--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 08:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Because there was a concensus to do so on the article talk page. Based on my experience with other city articles, the only other time that I have seen a photo of a police car within the article is when the police department is talked about explicitly. I can think of 2,000 better photos to represent "Portland Government" then the photo of a polic car. Cacophony 18:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello and thanks

Hi Cacophony! You aren't following me around, are you? You followed me with edits on two totally unrelated pages!

Just kidding. Thanks for your assistance on my "categories" problem. I went through the FAQs, but they are sooooooo long!

Sorry about leaving off the edit note on "Baseball home run calls." I usually do; must have not been concentrating at the time. (I did it at work.)

Talk to ya later!

Michael J 00:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Problems with Categories

You seem to be having some problem with categories. I removed the Categories Bridges in Pennsylvania and Bridges in New Jersey, becuas both categories are parent categories of their respective Toll Bridges in "blah". Becaus the toll bridges actegories are subs of the Bridges in Category, the placeing of the articles in both categories is more or less redundant. As per WP:CG guldelines

Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory. For example Golden Gate Bridge is in Category:Suspension bridges, so it should not also be in Category:Bridges. However there are occasions when this guideline can and should be ignored. For example, Robert Duvall is in Category:Film actors as well as its subcategory Category:Best Actor Oscar. See #5 for another exception. For more about this see Misplaced Pages:Categorization/Categories and subcategories.

With the bridges being an example in this case as well, it is clear that this situation would follow the first portion of this guideline. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Bridges#Categorization Cacophony 08:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

My responce, time to redo the guideline, as it does not work, only makes for redundant listings and the dreprecheat sub cats. It basicaly like listing every article about New York City under the category just for New York City and then all the subcats it would be included , and the subs of those, so in the end you get more cats then are need on one article, in other words, inefficient, confusing, and pardon my language stupid . --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The ideal fix for this particular instance would be if Category:Bridges in New Jersey allowed the toll bridges to be marked with a (T) after them. Otherwise I would say the toll bridges by state categories are too close of an offshoot of all bridges by state. Can you understand why one would want all the bridges in Oregon listed in Category:Bridges in Oregon rather than some listed there and others in subcategories. The subcategorization could go on and on, continuing until each article has it's own category, rendering the whole thing worthless. The point is not to create a heirarchy, but to give users different ways to group articles. The bridge category by state is a very logical and useful division. Most states have 10-50 bridge articles, which is a pretty good number to navigate. Also, most major bridges are maintained by the respective state highway agency. In the end I think it is better to give users (category browsers) more options rather than trying to limit the number or categories an article is contained within. If anything we should get rid of the toll bridge by state categories. Cacophony 09:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

The acutes were patients who could be cured and the chronics were ones who would never be. It's mentioned on the page and about fifty times during the novel. Though I agree with your edit, have you read the book? Czolgolz 00:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I have read the book, but I forgot about the acutes and chronics. I'll go back to the article and create links (to the section about acutes/chronics that appears below the main characters) for the ones that I removed. When reading the article from top to bottom it dosen't make sense what that meant. Great book, but I like Sometimes a Great Notion even better. Cacophony 04:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Chew Stoke FA candidate

You have previously kindly edited the article for Chew Stoke, which I have recently nominated for FA status. Would you be kind enough to give your comments or suggestions for improvements. Rod 14:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

{{inuse}}

your edit to Typhoon Chanchu (2006) was reverted by me in updating refs. Please avoid editing an article marked with {{inuse}}. Circeus 17:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

American people by ethnic and national origin

thank you for your concern about this category/its subcategories. See Category talk:European Americans first and we can talk some more. Thanks. Hmains 00:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that various proposals in 'Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion are proposing the deletion of all the super-categories, categories and sub-categories in Misplaced Pages that mention 'ethnic or national origin'. These proposals are receiving various approval and very little disapproval or questions, so I suppose they will be implemented for more countries. I see they have been already implemented for some countries. Thanks Hmains 02:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'll opine on CFD. Cacophony 02:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I have re-added all the subcategies I previously emptied. Sorry about that. Thanks Hmains 14:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon

Welcome to WikiProject Oregon. Please help out in any way you can.PDXblazers 23:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Waterfalls in the United States

Please refrain from removing content from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Category:Waterfalls in the United States. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Category:Waterfalls in Oregon, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Category:Waterfalls in Michigan, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

--William Allen Simpson 02:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You must be mistaken, I didn't remove any content from said page. In fact I created that page, but I did start moving subcategories from Category:Waterfalls of the United States into Category:Waterfalls in the United States. My understanding is that pages should be orphaned before they are listed for deletion. I guess I was being too bold in making a change to this category. I was making the change to have subcategories in Category:Oregon following the same naming patterns, but I later realized that this is a much bigger issue that is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Waterfalls#Landforms_by_country and also Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(categories)#Landforms_by_country. Cacophony 05:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You should never orphan before bringing to CfD. CfD is where we decide whether your proposal is valid. Moving them in advance makes the decision process and cleanup much harder.

There is no issue about Landforms by country, the issue is well decided and settled.

--William Allen Simpson 13:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I read your comments again and, dude, you are way off base. If you are going to threaten to block me you should at least get the article names straight, preferably with correct wiki syntax (it shows that you know what the hell you are talking about). And maybe look at my edit history and edit comments to see if I might be working on something bigger than one or two minor categories. Don't just throw up 3 vandalism templates on my talk page at once. If you do have something to say to me don't act like I'm a newbie and your an admin. Cacophony 06:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Ettiquete

Please read Misplaced Pages:Etiquette, specifically Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith before posting vandalism templates on user talk pages. Thank you, Cacophony 06:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Please read Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#Types of vandalism Avoidant vandalism -- and don't do it again! You don't "OWN" those categories that you created, that are contrary to existing naming convention policy, and were tagged for removal within days of your misbegotten creation.

Several times, several templates. Especially as you are not a "newbie", but write and behave like one. William Allen Simpson 13:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Show a little bit of class. You are 1000% correct and I'm 1000% wrong, but you can communicate such without threatening me. Unlike yourself, I'm going to make mistakes. If you are that hung up about people making mistakes, then it is time for you to take a break. Cacophony 22:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hi, Cacophony. Are you aware that William Allen Simpson has posted about your conflict here, with a request for you to be blocked? Perhaps you would like to comment. Bishonen | talk 23:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC).

Bridge categorization

Thanks for your message. Many of the WikiProjects have made localized decisions that it is impossible to keep track of, so I appreciate the pointer. As a general rule, as you probably know, the WP guideline is that an article shouldn't be in both the sub- and super-category; my edits were based on that guideline.

I don't plan to be making any more edits in this space — it was just something I had stumbled upon. But, for the record, not all of the New York City bridges are categorized according to the system you described. It was this lack of consistency that led me to think (wrongly, as it turned out), that there was no policy per se. Marc Shepherd 17:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The discussion continues at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Category_duplication. I will try to find those pages that are not categorized the same. Thanks! Cacophony 00:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cloud Gate photos

Hi! I don't know if you noticed, but following our previous discussions I have now claimed fair use for the two photos in the Cloud Gate article. I think that in the long run I would like to see these replaced (or perhaps complemented) with photos taken since the polishing of the sculpture was completed—particularly the omphalos photo, which clearly shows the seams. Thanks, BTW for re-removing the unencyclopedic flowery language in the article. —JeremyA 18:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Categories

The categorization system is having growing pains. There seem to be several different view about what our category system should be; a way to browse, an index of articles, a classification system, and/or a database search tool. Each of these views leads editors to different conclusions about how categories should be populated, and many conflicts result. To deal with these problems, Rick Block and I have been working on a proposal to add the ability to create category intersections. We think our proposal will address these problems and add some very useful new features. We are asking editors and developers concerned with categorizaton problems to take a look. We'd appreciate your feedback. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 06:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I will take a look at the proposal and comment. There is certainly some room for improvement. Cacophony 18:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

==Doughnut==

Don't forget to assume good faith. - BalthCat 04:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The sentence that I removed (What was wrong with what he said was a grammatical error similar so saying I am an object rather than a person belonging to a group.) is nonsensical. Even after breaking it up into parts, it is still "so completely and irredeemably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to make any sense of it whatsoever". I feel totally justified in removing it. Cacophony 05:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

That's fine. I agree. It was when you called it vandalism. That might offend some one who was trying to be constructuve. That's all. Ciao. - BalthCat 16:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Template mod requested

The template BridgeTypePix (a bridge taxobox with image) is used in table bridge. Owing to a short introduction, the section divider line writes over the bridge taxobox. Is this fixable?

Thanks, Leonard G. 16:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Never mind - I dropped the section header down one secion level (now three "=") and that fixed it (not a template problem) - Leonard G. 16:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Big Jake

I'm done, if it's of sufficient concern, perhaps an admin should protect the page? I don't know. Doesn't seem worth my time. - BalthCat 03:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

No problemo, thanks for your attention. I'm going to continue to revert because I refuse to be silenced. He will get bored with it eventually. Cacophony 03:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

This may or may not be you, Cacophony, but there are people that believe that their pseudo-authority is important, and they must flex it. I'm sure there are many more important pages out there, more important than my discussion page. Bigjake 15:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Your quest to twart pseudo-authority is hardly more noble. Please note that it is considered inappropriate to remove comments from a talk page without archiving them. - BalthCat 06:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Then it's probably a good thing that I don't care about your idea of nobility nor do I bother with what you consider 'appropriate.' Bigjake 06:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey 'Cacophony', just had to let you know that not only do I not respect your ideas, or ability to 'edit' things, but I found it flattering that you're following me around, making sure that my edits are legit on other articles. Regardless of if I ever get blocked (by other people not minding their business,) I still never cared for your words, and effectively silenced you. How does it feel? Instead of just letting something go, you wasted your time simply based on your power hungry nature. *kisses* Bigjake 22:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Cacophony, please do not continue revert on Talk:Bigjake — lets just concentrate on the main issue here... Which is to write an encyclopedia after all!! Thanks/wangi 23:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism and disruption might be ok with you, but I feel strongly that it hinders our ability to collaborate in writing an encyclopedia. Just because someone is persistant in their vandalism does not make their actions any more acceptable. Your "let the vandals play" attitude is a detriment to Misplaced Pages. So if no admins want to take care of it, I will continue to waste my time on this stupid edit war. Thanks for nothing, Cacophony 23:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)