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WLU's wholesale deleations

Again WLU you need to stop editing incorrect information! You are placing incorrect information PLEASE stop adding incorrect and improper information Were you to actually do any real research you would see these facts as I have listed are not only cited and factual, but quite informative.

the facts I'm removing and altering are in many cases either direct plagiarism, or redundant, or unclear.22:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You do not own this page, however IF you are going to edit it, you DO have to be accurate. Removal of accurate and factual information is considered vandalism and editing a page to include incorrect information and eliminating corrected information, just because you cannot stand for someone else to edit over you is also considered vandalism. Please cease and desist. I shall refer this for moderation review--Mystar 13:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Please refer this for moderation, I look forward to their comments. I have not removed factual information, except for the 'investigated in x, x, x, x, country since the 70's. It has been investigated all over the world, so this info is kinda pointless. I'll put in some better references in my next edit. WLU

Further doing even more research you will note that the word liana, is not referenced or used. Also you have removed pertinent information allowing the reader to have knowledge of the topic and places improperly sources indigenous facts, thus making the article to contain fales and misleading information--Mystar 13:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree that the current version reads better. --Alex (Talk) 14:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC) - note that Mystar and I have a...contentious...relationship, neither of us really use good faith with each other's edits. See what you think of the article after I've finished with it today. WLU

Liana is now referenced. It's also a technical term, therefore appropriate. See this if you want the term used in reference to the plant. I don't know what indigenous facts means, please define. Also, one line that I changed didn't make sense - "large, woody vine that derives its name from hook-like thorns that grow up to 30m tall climbing by means of hooked thorns along the vine that resemble the claws of a cat" makes it sound like the thorns are 30m tall, and that the vine resembles the claws of a cat. It now makes sense.

I removed the references to all of the countries because 1) it was a direct quotation from the website and therefore plagiarism, and 2) because the plant will not restrict itself to specific countries - ergo general geographic categories make more sense.

I removed the section "also known as Cat's Claw " because the article is called Cat's Claw. There does not seem to be a need to reference this fact, I think it is prima facie. Similar for the information about the family Cats Claw falls into - it's in the article already in the side box. I did move the sub-family info to the table - since there is nothing attached to the subfamily, no extra info, I don't think it really needs a whole sentence in the article.

I also added references for the info in the text about what Cat's Claw is used for, and has been experimentally verified for. Right now it's unsourced, which isn't good if people are using the entry for diagnosis or health reasons.

The first sentence in the uses section is way too long, I took out the unnecessary info about where it's researched, since it is now researched all over the world.

Added a review article which is recent. Couldn't fit in the sub-family in the table, if anyone wants to put it back. Seems pretty irrelevant.WLU 22:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

We have a consensus; Please do not change what has been considered a better version.

You have one person's opinion besides mine and yours. That person wanted to include a sentence that implied the thorns grew 30m tall (sorry Alex, that's how I read it - your opinion on the new version?). Also, I took out where you inserted the sentence "We have a consensus; Please do not change what has been considered a better version. Your facts are incorrect" into the middle of my paragraph 'cause it screwed up the link which demonstrates the use of the liana term. The link that showed liana is correctly used in conjunction with Cat's ClawWLU

Your facts are incorrect. Liana, may be referenced all you wish, it really has nothing to do with Cat's Claw. Further the simple fact that you do not know what indigenous means is clearly a point to you not being able to properly reference this page. I'm sure if you decided to do some research you would find that the plant’s indigenous aspects are pertinent especially to its history i.e. where it came from. As to your imagined contentious anything, I think you need to pay attention to your facts and less to me. Simply because You edit a page does not mean you own it.--Mystar 23:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I know what indigenous means, the fact that you used it incorrectly in the sentence makes me question your understanding of the term. Do you mean it in the sense of 'native' or in the sense of 'intrinsic'? Did you click on the link where it says "Cat's claw is a large perennial, a woody vine (liana)"? Kinda seems relevant there. WLU

Hi guys, sorry for the wikistalking but I'm very bored today. I don't have any knowledge of botany, so I don't want to get involved in the edits here, but I have to point out that "Uncaria tomentosa (also known as Cat's Claw or Uña de Gato) is a large, woody vine that derives its name from hook-like thorns that grow up to 30m tall climbing by means of hooked thorns along the vine that resemble the claws of a cat." is a very confusing sentence. If you're worried about copying too much directly from the source, how about this: "Uncaria tomentosa (also known as Cat's Claw or Uña de Gato) is a large, woody vine that grows up to 30m tall. It climbs by means of hooked thorns that resemble the claws of a cat." Personally I think the origins of its name are self-evident. If nothing else, change "grow" to "grows" since it's supposed to be modifying "large, woody vine" rather than "hook-like thorns" and put a comma after "tall" to separate the clauses.

Second, in response to WLU, the note "also known as Cat's Claw, should remain in the article because the article's actual title is "Uncaria tomentosa". "Cat's Claw" just redirects to "Uncaria tomentosa". Thus, if the note is removed and someone searches for "Uncaria tomentosa" directly, the name Cat's Claw wouldn't appear anywhere. I hope that made sense. Anyway, good luck hashing this out. -Captain Crawdad 23:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikistalk all you want, I have no problem with you following me around. I trust your good intentions and your suggestions make sense. If you look at the current version (I don't know which version you were looking at, I think it's the version previous to my last edit), it says Uncaria tomentosa (also known as Cat's Claw or Uña de Gato in Spanish) is a liana (woody vine) that derives its name from hook-like thorns that resemble the claws of a cat. U. tomentosa can grow up to 30m tall, climbing by means of these thorns. The leaves are in opposite pairs or whorls of two with a smooth margin. Cat's claw is indigenous to the Amazon rainforest and other tropical areas of South and Central America. Also, I'm not objecting to the inclusion of the term 'Cat's Claw', I'm objecting to the link that follows it - I think it can be taken on faith that U. tomentosa is Cat's Claw, I don't think we need a link to prove it. That's like having a link to say Terry Goodkind wrote the fantasy novel Wizard's First Rule(link), Blood in the Fold(link), and is an author(link). The version in bold still has the term Cat's Claw in it. WLU

I'm all about compramise CD! Nicely worded :) As for Wikistalking...lol... I think you will find it is WLU who stated flatly she was stalking my contribs as a means of checking up on me...I've got the link to prove it.;p But I digress! I've more important things to do that argue with a person who cannot edit, but rather own's a page. I think I've made my point. I'll allow the Admins to handle it.

One thing I woudl like to point out is acting in good faith, on e woudl simply add the quotation marks if one saw that they were forgotten, rather than wholesale deleate the whole set of information. When someone does that is indeed shows the bad faith actions form the one--Mystar 03:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I'm sure you'll imply that I'm stupid for this, but at least explain yourself more clearly so I can rebut. WLU 12:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Reliable sources

1. Referenced article on Cat's Claw
2. Summary article on uses of Cat's Claw
3. a b c Heitzman, M.E., Neto, C.C., Winiarz, E., Vaisberg, A.J. & Hammon, G.B. (2005). Ethnobotany, phytochemistry and pharmacology of Uncaria (Rubiaceae). Phytochemistry, 66(1), 5-29. PMID 15649507
4. NutraSanus article on Cat's Claw

Only Reference no 3 above appears to be a reliable source.

• "The Ashánika are considered the most knowledgeable of this herb, and consider the herb sacred." Please see WP:AWW.
• "Other possible uses include the treatment of AIDS in combination with AZT, the treatment and prevention of arthritis and rheumatism, diabetes, PMS, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, and prostrate conditions." Unless there are PMID studies to back these statements, they shouldn't be inserted based on website claims. Peer review is not the right place for content disputes: see WP:RFC. Sandy 00:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

1. Cat's claw

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