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edit It is essential to provide reliable sources when editing this article. For examples, see the references section. Unsourced or unreliably sourced additions will be removed immediately. The list is frequently edited in good faith to update the certified sales figures; however, claimed sales figures need to be supported by reliable sources, preferably from news organizations. Artists with claimed sales figures below 75 million may not be added to the list. Whilst we encourage editors to be bold, it is highly recommended to discuss changes on this talk page before editing. Below you can get an understanding as to when certifications for songs are added to the total certified sales of the listed artists. One lead artist and one featured artist. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both, the lead artist and the featured artist as both will have almost equal amount of part). Two lead artists. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both lead artists as both will have almost equal amount of part). Two lead artists and one featured artist. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both lead artists as well as the featured artist. Both lead artists will play a significant part in a song and the part of the featured artist also should be significant enough). One lead artist and two featured artists. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of the lead artist and to the total of both featured artists as almost all should have equal amount of part). The year next to markets below indicates how far back the certification systems go in each country. The percentages stand for the global market share based on a 2007 IFPI report. USA: RIAA (1958) (31.6%) Japan: RIAJ (Physical certifications since (1989)(16.5%) UK: BPI (1973) (10.6%) Germany: BVMI (1975) (8.4%) France: SNEP, Infodisc (albums), Infodisc (singles) (1973) (5.8%) Australia: ARIA (1990) (2.23%) Canada: Music Canada (1975) (2.22) Italy: FIMI (2009) (1.95%) The Netherlands: NVPI (1978) (1.52%) Spain: PROMUSICAE (1979) (1.48%) Austria: IFPI (1990) (1.10%) Mexico: AMPROFON (1999) (1.08%) Brazil: PMB (1990) (0.97%) Belgium: Ultratop (1995) (0.91%) Norway: (Archived certification-database) (1993) (0.86%) Switzerland: Schweizer Hitparade (1989) (0.84%) Sweden: IFPI (Archived certification-database), Sverige Topplistan (Chart-database) (1987) (0.81%) Denmark: Hitlisten (Chart-database), IFPI Denmark (2001) (0.67%) Ireland: IRMA (2005) (0.52%) Poland: ZPAV (1995) (0.51%) Finland: IFPI (1971) (0.49%) Argentina: Capif (1980) (0.48%) New Zealand: Recorded Music NZ (1978) (0.37%)

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Nicky Minaj

Harout, need your help. How many of her certification sales so far. As I remember from our last discussion last year, she only need less than 5 million to gain the 85m-claim sales (http://www.caribpress.com/2013/06/07/nicki-minaj-signs-up-spokesperson-and-investor-for-moscato-wine/). And how about Maroon 5? we could bring them to the list now?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Since our last discussion Nicki Minaj's certified sales have changed quite a bit. She now has 71.3 million certified units. That figure is safe enough to put her on the list considering the over certifications due to streaming. She needs 65 million certified (or 76.6%) as she's begun charting in 2010. So I will go ahead and put her up on the list today.

As for Maroon 5, they are still stuck at 53 million certified units being short of 400,000 units. Pretty much it's unchanged since our last discussion.--Harout72 (talk) 16:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

ABBA

Harout, I need your opinion. Please look at this source (http://don411.com/the-arcadia-performing-arts-foundation-concert-season-begins-on-january-9-2016-at-8pm-when-abbamania-and-night-fever-perform-at-the-arcadia-performing-arts-center/#.WbZ0iDsxXIV), inside it's talk about ABBA's 140m-claim, but I'm not sure that source is reliable although the website claim they are a news service. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't view that source reliable enough for our list. Although, the sales figure is more reasonable than the 200 million that we have.--Harout72 (talk) 11:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

But Harout, if that source is a legal news service, then we can use that source to put ABBA at 140m-claim. Again, I need your final opinion. If that source is a legal news service and not a blog or a private diary. I will use that source, because ABBA is too much inflated their claim sales and is our responsibility to open the fact about their real sales. Need your consideration...Thanks Politsi (talk) 12:31, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Harout. I've change my mind, that's source is not reliable for the list... We should maintain the highest quality of the source in the list. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 15:08, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Mariah Carey

Mariah's total certified sales has increased from 118 million to almost 136 million... Is it time to increase her total sales claim to 225 million? fidelovkurt 17:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

When we had a discussion about Mariah Carey back in January 2016, she was already at 131 million with her certified sales. Now it's at 135.9. The difference isn't big enough to re-visit that discussion. We shouldn't consider using the 225 million claim unless her certified sales get close to the 175 million mark, which is our lower listed claim figure. There is still some 40 million units of gap standing between her certified sales and that figure. That gap needs to be eliminated first.--Harout72 (talk) 19:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Green Day

Harout.. How far of their certification sales total so far? is there any significant increase?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

They're still 2.2 million certified units short. They are at 47.6 million, they need 49.8 million (66.4%) as they've begun charting in 1994.--Harout72 (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Drake's Certifications

Where does Drake's certification lie. Is it enough to add him to the list? As well as Mary J Blige, TLC and Toni Braxton. I have read somewhere that both of them have claimed sales of 75 million and over. Can a check of their certified units be done.

Regards (190.80.50.137 (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC))

Certifications and Sales claim for P!nk, Beyonce, Sade and Rihanna

Can we please have a list of certifications for P!nk, I'm pretty sure she can fit into one of these categories and don't you think it's about time we move Beyonce to the 100 million section, I know because of the time she began charting that she needs between 75-80 million certified units, she's at 78 million right now, even if we decide that she needs the maximum certification which is 80 million, she's only two million away. Can we also have Rihanna's sales claim updated to 270 million and can we add Sade to the 75 million records list, providing that she has the certified units to back up such claims of course. (190.80.50.137 (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC))

Beyonce

Harout, I think it's time to bring Beyonce to the 100m-club. she's already in 78m-units. And we should not kept the source from Daily Mail in a long time. I'll bring Beyonce to the 100m-club but please undo it if you think she's still not deserve it. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:20, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Isn't there a source that claims 90 million. Moving her immediately to the 100 section might not be right. We should at least wait until she passed the 80 million mark with her certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 03:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

No, I'm pretty sure on that. I've been searching for years to find the 90m-claim for Beyonce, but zero. My concern is that the source we use for her 85m-claim is Daily Mail and is not good keeping a gossip news website for years in the list, beside she's in 78 million certified sales, at least better than Rod Stewart for now. We should let her entering the 100m-club. Again, I believe you're better than me on this. Please revert it if you feel is not the right time for Beyonce, but from my personal view it's time for her to claim the 100m-seller status...Politsi (talk) 04:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Ok, it's fine, I'm sure it won't take her too long to pass the 80 million mark.--Harout72 (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

BIGBANG 빅뱅

Harout,Can you please add BIGBANG 빅뱅 they sold up to 140m, here is some realible sources : SRC1

+ i Have a Sources of 120,976,099 million certified units Exactly https://en.wikipedia.org/Big_Bang_discography Please review those numbers i believe they are 100% accurate.

MRAU-vip — Preceding Hamza.A comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 16:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Those are not certified sales, those are download sales figures. This list requires certified sales. Only Japan has certified sales for Big Bang, and the total there is 2.115 million. However, out of curiousity I went as far as adding up all the download figures for all singles that appear on Geon charts. I put them all on a single file. My total for Korean figures comes to just over 45 million units. With Japan's certified sales it's about 47.5 million. The total for China taken from the singles table is 22.8 million, I'm not even gonna bother with verifying those. How can anybody claim 140 million records sales for them. Clearly that is just an inflated promotional figure.--Harout72 (talk) 03:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry Harout but the list you added is incomplete, you have not added many songs that have certifications, you said I'm not even gonna bother with verifying those. How can anybody claim 140 million records sales for them you need to verify them because they sold 140M+ its not depending in your opinion, the rules are clear if i give you certified link of these numbers you need to accept them, + BIGBANG IS VERY KNOWN AND THEY ARE BIGGEST BOY BAND IN THE WORLD, if you don't know them that's its not my probleme, i see 140m is VERY LOW compared to their achievements, so you need to do what this page is about and you need to put them in the list , because if i started calculating all artist in this list so some of them they gonna be out of the list because they have inflated promotional figure in thier Source link, do your research next time Correctly, i just calculate thier numbers based on the rules on this section and here is The real Numbers : 71.572 Million in Total, FORBES Last Year Stated : BIGBANG EARNED 44million in 2016 Only (https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2016/07/06/bigbang-theory-how-k-pops-top-act-earned-44-million-in-a-year/#6da108315830), Think of it logically they can earn 44M in one year and they can't sold 140M in their whole career ? Read THIS https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/21/bigbang-biggest-boy-band-world-you-probably-havent-heard/83197506/

DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THIS A SMALL GROUP AND THEY CAN'T SOLD 140M ? btw Here is the list with Sales and certifications : https://en.wikipedia.org/Big_Bang_discography#Singles So Please if you can't calculate their sales, i can do it for you ^^ — Preceding comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs) 16:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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