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Hi Johnleemk, Welcome to wikipedia! I just wanted to point out, in case you didn't already know about it, that there is also a Malay wikipedia and a Chinese wikipedia. If you can read or write any of these languages, why not give us a visit too? Best, -- Kowey 14:08, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Kowey. Chinese isn't really my forte, but I might contribute infrequently to the Malay wikipedia. -- Johnleemk 15:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)~

Table width

The tables youre adding to the various PM articles are too wide (taking over half the page on my 1024px screen and probably almost all of an 800px screen. Note what I did for Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. You might want to try the same for the others. --Jiang 08:34, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Categories

I've been adding the Beatles-related articles into categories because - and I'm not being flippant here - I can. That's the main motivation, we have categories, they're a good idea, they should be used. The album pages are the best example of this; it's not possible to have them listed by year, artist, genre etc without someone slowly driving themselves insane by trying to maintain a list. I've tried to do what I can about fixing the breakages categories cause; but with album pages, they were broken already, and it's going to take a bit of effort to get the tables working right again. Hope that's a satisfactory enough answer. Take care. -- Jim Regan 07:17, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

I've fixed the problem with the infoboxes. -- Jim Regan 09:15, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

How Many Petals Around the Rose?

Greetings John. I thought I'd just mention the paragraph under the How Many Petals Around the Rose? heading on your user page. You refer to dice six times but actually mean die. Don't worry, this is not a criticism. We ALL learn something new every day. Cheers. Moriori 21:28, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

Question re:VFD

Is it just me, or did you do something that resulted (possiby through MediaWiki being buggy) in turning the section on Bible Atrocities into a duplication of the preceding section, and then proceed to delete the duplicate, leaving no resolution to the bible thing? -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 01:26, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Did you take a look at the link? (The Diff implies that you deleted the Bible Atrocities section and replaced it with a duplicate Bergger section. I assume this wasn't something you decided to, but rather some kind of glitch. In any case, if you don't know what I'm talking about, I suppose I can simply restore it. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 02:28, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Changing attribution for an edit

Hello! You should look at the above link, perhaps it can solve your Education in Malaysia dilemma. Good luck. ✏ Sverdrup 01:32, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sysop

Congratulations! You are now a sysop. Please read the administrators' reading list. I know you will use your new powers and responsibilities for goodness and niceness rather than badness and evilness! ;-) Good luck! -- Cecropia | Talk 15:08, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dear Mr.King...

The following group of words from you unfortunately came to my notice. I have added my responses to them.

Hi, you've made some edits to Coca-Cola recently.

May be. Thanks for your notice.

Misplaced Pages appreciates your contributions to our database of knowledge, but we would appreciate it if you had a little Wikiquette.

I never knew wikipedia has appointed you as their spokesperson. I thought everyone is same in this open domain. Anyway wikipedia appreciates your comment. But we dislike subtle arrogance, if you had meant it that way!

The talk page for the article (Talk:Coca-Cola) indicates that this article has been nominated for featured status at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates. The discussion there is somewhat vital to understanding some of the article's contents.

Misplaced Pages appreciates your vital understanding. Keep it up. But I have to call your ignorant remark as preposterous, if you had meant that I did not have a 'vital' understanding.

Therefore, I hope you understand that I am reinstating the mention of Pepsi in the opening paragraph, as I think that if you wanted a quick overview of what Coca-Cola is, you shouldn't need to look further than the first paragraph, and the Coke-Pepsi relationship definitely needs mentioning as has been agreed in the discussion at Featured article candidates, especially since although it is implicitly implied elsewhere in the article that they are rivals, there has been no explicit mention. Thanks, and I hope you'll be able to help us in improving many more articles in the future. Johnleemk | Talk 08:13, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Your higness, there is something I should disclose to you. I have been contributing to this wikipedia ever since its inception. But I have never created an account till now - for it is my humble POV that an opensource and a free domain has no rulers and nobody claims responsibility for the content! Besides, I hate beaurocrats and red-tapism - I myself did not want to become one just by typing word salads in all the pages. Neither I have the time nor I am interested in that. And I believe in the age old fact that 'anonymity is power'. Unfortunately, in the last few months I have been noticing sheer ignorance of this fact amidst the users of this domain and individual users are being sent messages as subtle warnings/intimidations in the name of talk messages. This is absolutely against the policy of a truly open encyclopedia. I am against vandalism. But I am also against this subtle coercion being exhibited by these self-styled kings and queens of a supposedly democratic system. I can assert with confidence that wikipedia will never represent the truth if the healthy 'war of words' is suppressed in any form. If you want to channel the discussion in any way according to your POV, then the entire discussion becomes a piece of garbage. The other thing I wanted to bring to your notice, your highness, is this increasing number of 'monday morning quarterbacks'. My question to them is, instead of criticizing an effort, why not go and change the concerned page themselves? Nobody is awarded the Nobel prize if the article they nominated is featured :)

Just like everyone else, I too consider that all other human beings except me are dumb idiots! And if your message was intended as an intimidation - not to offend you but this has happened before, kindly take note that I consider most of these 'administrators' as the most ignorant morons of this universe. But if your intention was noble, thanks from the bottom of my heart. Also please note that whatever you have written above is not going to change what I feel like doing in that concerned page. Because, I really want this wikipedia to survive. Just like you, I am a strong supporter of all these supposedly/'trying to be' open source endeavours, for a little more number of years than you.

Misplaced Pages appreciates your contributions. Please continue your good effort :)--Drbalaji md 08:52, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

RFA & RFC

Hi, Johnleemk.

Thanks for the admin nomination and thanks for your kind words on that page. I have no desire to become an administrator, but I'm enjoying the discussion, so you'll forgive me if I continue to spectate for a little while longer :-)

As for our friend Drbalaji md, I meant to tell you how impressed I was by your response on his talk page. An impeccable example of grace under pressure. I fear that getting drawn into a long, forensic indictment of his smiley-tinged "bad guy wrestler" shtick might wind up precipitating us all into a YHBT abyss. Hopefully, simply listing the "Drbalaji" persona on RFC will persuade him to concentrate instead on the neglected "Flagfanatic" routine, which has much greater comic potential :-)

chocolateboy 14:04, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ditto here. Johnleemk showed amazing maturity and coolness in responding to DrBalaji. Despite all provocations what he got finally was an ass-word and he had to do with it. It teaches me to be extra-careful as even a single word could be used against you. By the way, why have you said in your user page "my biggest regret is forgetting to login while writing Education in Malaysia". Hope you are aware of this page : Misplaced Pages:Changing attribution for an edit. Jay 15:06, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

RFC

I haven't participated in an RFC before, so I'm not aware of the ground rules. What is the intention of placing DrBalaji in RFC and what are the objectives ? Jay 16:45, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ya I had the other day read through the RFC page written by you. But my questions remain unanswered, what is the intention and the objectives. "It's basically a place for any user to bring up possible violations of Misplaced Pages policy by other users". Fine, then what ? It helps in what way ? Jay 18:53, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Captions

Hi, Johnleemk, thanks for stepping in and captioning images on Coca-Cola. I hope you don't mind that I touched them up just a little to make them full sentences. Please do caption some other articles, too! -- ke4roh 14:53, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I did that full-sentence thing on crushing by elephant, too. Proper attribution of images is excellent information on the image description page, and sometimes it just doesn't seem to fit in the caption. What do you think of it now? FYI, there are some good captioning tips at Misplaced Pages:Captions. Many thanks for your help with the captions project! I certainly appreciate it. -- ke4roh 14:24, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

Template:Vfd top

Hi, I've removed the {{PAGENAME}} link you added to the above template because I found it more annoying than useful and it didn't work properly anyway: it kept saying that Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Foo was the page that had been listed for deletion instead of just Foo. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 21:06, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reply

I've replied at User talk:Matt Crypto. — Matt 17:09, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yesterday

Unfortunately, this article's troubles are still not far away. I just reread the article as requested on my talk page, and it is still rife with problems. Exploding Boy 11:50, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

I would have to agree with Exploding Boy - the article could do with being completely rewritten from top to bottom. I'm going to leave it well alone for a few weeks and hopefully when I come back to it the writing will have improved. ChicXulub 23:06, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Barack Obama marriage date

After doing some digging (OK, a Google search), I found the date of his marriage, or at least the year, according to the unofficial Michelle Obama homepage. Do you think they're reliable enough to put in? How should they be quoted? Best, ] 14:46, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Something

Great article - it's always been one of my favourite Beatles songs, probably equal with In My Life. You're quite the Beatles-song article man, it seems! Angmering 15:04, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hey Jude lyrics

Hi Johnleemk, Thank you for your warning. I wasn't aware of the copyrights because a newbie. I will be very careful in the future. Bye.

Coca-Cola and trade unions

I felt this section of the Coca-Cola article had a very clear political bias, in violation of Misplaced Pages's NPOV rules, so I removed it.

Edit attribution

Hi, John. Edits from 219.95.155.11 have now been reattributed to you. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 08:18, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Anwar Ibrahim

Hello. You wrote about providing NPOV for the article. I somewhat agree with you that the article is somewhat one-side. Therefore, I'll try to balance it out by adding some fact. Later. __earth 21:11, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

NO OFFENCE INTENDED

Sorry you felt slighted by my reply to your helpul advise about using upper case. I do not spend so much time online as to understand such conventions, which seem obscure to me. However I have taken your advise. The point about Swanscombe was the only reference I could think about to reason from whence your message came. Live and learn!

PS I am not really so angry but think wikipedia could benefit from a few new conventions relating to he casual way in which people make clean-up requests. I have like most contributors spent a lot of time prepaing articles for the encyclopedia, and am often gratified to see others work on them, I wouldnt bother otherwise, but wish that others would be a little more considerate before condeming the odd item out of hand.

I am trying to compile a list of items about the lord wardens o the cinque ports, and must admit to getting a bit confused along the way. When I make errors, which I do, I expect someone to pick up on them, but I have found plenty of examples of badly written pages, and if I can I try to improve upon them, not complain about it. The feature of clean-up is a useful tool however, perhaps I am wrong, and should start using it?... Thanks again, I am not so involved in the wiki community as to have much contact with any one, and those people who make an effort to contact me are given full consideration and you just got me on a bad day, having spent the entire week resetting my pc and killing spyware intrusions, I guess. Cheers, all the same. Faedra.

Deleting user subpages

There's a vote in progress at Misplaced Pages talk:Deletion of user subpages. Please consider voting. I have also requested that the proposal be frozen for the period of the vote, but this has met with opposition. Your participation in the process would be greatly appreciated. Andrewa 10:21, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

FAC overload

John - you recently nominated 7 (!) articles on the FAC. As the instructions say Please do not place more than one nomination at a time — if too many nominations exist at once, it is difficult to do the article and objections justice. - we didn't set a hard limit on nominations per user, but 7 is just utterly ridiculous. It's also inconsiderate of others who have nominations there and would like those nominations to get attention as well. As such, I've 6 of the nominations (the 7th already had comments). →Raul654 17:54, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Fugu

Hi. Could you check if the latest changes to Fugu would overcome your objections on Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates? Thanks -- Chris 73 Talk 17:14, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Well, didn't make it ... this time. i'll keep on working on the article, and try to expand the fish part. Maybe I'll nominate it again in a few months. I still think it is feature quality (including the consumption). Anyway, thanks for your comments, they definitely improved the article. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:39, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Newspapers

I posted a query to your article about newspaper articles on Misplaced Pages:Reference desk PedanticallySpeaking 19:24, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Reverting

I noticed that all your reverts have a uniform edit message. Is there a {{}} template or do you have a good memory? Thanks :) - ScribeOfTheNile

Ah, thought it'd be something like that. :P Thanks for your reply. :) - ScribeOfTheNile

Malaysia to do

Would greatly appreciate it if you could help or add to the great Malaysia to do list on

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Malaysian_wikipedians%27_notice_board --Malbear 14:07, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on the Malaysia-related articles, and keep on reverting. The trolls will eventually get bored if none of their oh-so-clever edits stick around for longer than 5 minutes. Jpatokal 09:56, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hard Day's Night (song)

Good contribution on one of my favourite songs, but I must disagree with one of your comments:

"A Hard Day's Night is probably the only Beatles song that is recognisable within two seconds, thanks to George Harrison's unmistakable Rickenbacker 12-string guitar's opening chord."

Well, yes, it is recognisable, but two seconds into Hey Jude, Paul has already sung the title. Help! is another song where the title is the first thing heard. So I wouldn't really say it's the only one recognisable that early!

Grutness 07:43, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Good grief man, I've never see anyone put such a fully featured article together in one hit! Amazing! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:44, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Next featured Beatles article

Would you consider using your prodigious research skills in improving my namesake - Taxman? Actually I don't care if you make it featured, but can you add a bit more than its super stubby current condition? Thanks - Taxman 14:29, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Hey thanks, not bad. - Taxman 20:01, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

Alphabetical order

Saw your revision to A Hard Day's Night (song). Can you tell me how the list of references is alphabetized? It looks totally random to me. --Samuel Wantman 07:09, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your comment on RfA

CyborgTosser is up for nomination for admin again, a month after being voted down. You had a neutral position then, saying he has had little to no interaction on the site with others. That's not to mention his <1000 edits, 150+ of them which were on his talk page. I completely agree with your sentiment, he mostly edits on science fiction and music pages, as well as EE, and rarely ventures even into discussion pages, never mind have an actual discussion in them. This has not changed since you suggested it a month ago. And since he never interacts with anyone - why does he need to be admin? I want to see him try to resolve some contentious page like some Israel/Palestine one or something so I can see if he can deal with being an admin.

Here's his RfA page: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_adminship/CyborgTosser

ADW Vote

The vote for General Secretary of the Association of Deletionist Wikipedians has opened. Please visit the page and vote for who you think would make the best choice. --Slowking Man 03:38, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

links and references

I understand your point. I had the same thought before I made the change. But I think they are both links and references and thus could go in both places. I would venture to guess that a huge number of Misplaced Pages pages have links that are also sources. For scholarship it is great that there are references. For making the page more valuable to users I think it would be better to have links. I bet most people gloss over references but explore the links. It was for these reasons that I put them in the list of links. Alan Pollack's notes are most definitely referred to in the article, and the Beatle's official website a very usefull link. Should they go in both places? --Samuel Wantman 06:46, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Question about Preliminary Deletion

Hi there. I have a question about the corollary for handling a possible caveat of the preliminary deletions policy. It says "that each article must receive at least two "keep" votes before going to VFD." Later, it says that "if 90% or more votes are for delete, then the article will not be listed on VFD until the percentage of delete votes drop below 90%."

So what happens if the article has two votes (which should normally send it to VFD), but the percentage of delete votes is over 90%? If no more "keep" votes are added, and the percentage of delete votes never drops below 90%, what happens to the article? Is it declared that consensus hasn't been reached? Is it deleted? Is it sent to VFD anyways? Will votes by striked out? I tried asking on #wikipedia, but nobody seemed to know :(. Thank you for your anticipated response. -] 03:53, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks :) -] 16:40, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You seem to fairly heavily involved in the proposal for Preliminary deletion. I was wondering why it is that despite the voting having concluded favourably nothing has been yet set up. I was tempted to set up the wikipedia:purgatory page myself to get things rolling. However, it occured to me that there might be some reason that no action has been taken. Is this so? If the inaction is due to lack of will power then I'll happily help set things up next weekend (I don't edit during the week in term time). Regards. Barnaby dawson 15:57, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The photo

Relative to I have no idea where I took it from, sorry: it is a copy of a picture, which used to be considered OK long ago here (that's why I did not include any more info than "copy of a picture"). I apologize for not including the reference when I uploaded it... Sorry for having no information. Pfortuny 17:40, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Keep It Up!

Kudos for doing a good job maintaining NPOV on Malaysian-related articles! Please do continue in your efforts. From fellow Malaysian.

Self-nom. This was one of the runner-ups in Danny's contest. Johnleemk | Talk 14:50, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Interesting...is there something you know that I don't know? Because I have not seen any official announcement yet. -- ] 15:38, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

Danny's contest

Self-nom. This was one of the runner-ups in Danny's contest. Johnleemk | Talk 14:50, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Interesting...is there something you know that I don't know? Because I have not seen any official announcement yet. -- ] 15:39, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for your comment, I will take it on board. Reithy 14:29, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

WP:LCOTW

Template:CurrentLCOTW

Filiocht 10:35, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

FYI: Temp injunction in Reithy's ArbCom case

"Both Reithy and Chuck F and any sockpuppets are to edit only on their respective arbcom case. Edits to the mainspace may be reverted on sight."

--mav 20:39, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucratship

Thanks for your supportive vote of my bureaucratship. Unfortunately, the vote was judged to be too close, but I hope you'll support me when I run again. :) Andre (talk) 15:58, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Wikinews demo up and running

Hi!

I'm writing to let you know that the Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved the first stage of the Wikinews project. There's now a fully operational English demo site at demo.wikinews.org. This will be used for experimenting with various review models and basic policies before the site is launched officially in about a week. demo.wikinews.org will become the English version later.

You voted for the Wikinews project, so I'm asking for your participation now. Everything is open, nothing is final. What Wikinews will and can be depends in large part on you. There already is a global Wikinews mailing list for discussing the project. If you are interested at all, please subscribe -- coordination is of key importance. There's also an IRC channel #wikinews on irc.freenode.net. Realtime discussion can help to polish up articles.

If you're looking for something to do, check out the articles in development and articles in review. Or start a new story in the Wikinews workspace, or ignore the proposed review system - it's up to you. I hope you'll join us soon in this exciting experiment.--Eloquence* 01:59, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Stealing your template :P

I like your little yellow box at the top, so if you don't mind, I'll go off an implement it on my talk page. Peace!--Che y Marijuana 10:20, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Of course by that I mean I am inept when it comes to code of any kind, I'm just using it as a base. I won't pretend to be you or anything :D --Che y Marijuana 10:27, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration Elections

You may remember that I coordinated the previous two elections, for the board, and for the arbitration committee. I am willing to coordinate this election as well, and have asked Elian to assist. However, we would like to have the support of the candidates to do this. Do you support us coordinating the election? My policy is to be entirely neutral, and to ensure this, I will not be voting myself (I didn't vote in previous elections either). All results will be announced following the final count. Please answer on my talk page. Danny 01:08, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Endorsements page

Sorry to bother/spam you, but I thought you might be interested in weighing in on the state of the endorsements page on its talk page. --Michael Snow 01:21, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Strike my previous remark in the discussion on the endorsements page. Mirv appears to have used the transclusion feature on the "Endorsements listed by candidates" section, but not on the "Listing of individuals making endorsements" section. I will fix that now.

Thanks for pointing this out, Johnleemk.

Cheers, --DV 09:41, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK, everything should now be fixed. I carefully merged all of the previous subpages from the second section. Thanks for your diligence, Johnleemk.

Cheers,

--DV 10:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Not even a "super thin mint" is acceptable to the "no announcements" perspective?

I've posted a reply.

Thanks for venturing onto this subpage to post your thoughts. --DV 09:39, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

New feature to control campaign messages

Hi Johnleemk,

Thanks for spending so much of your valuable time discussing the issue of campaign messages on various pages.

And before I forget, thank you for your earlier decision to support the "get out the vote" banner, despite your belief that such publicity is really not necessary. The "get out the vote" banner has been a resounding success, with users adding links to it left and right!

Your remarks forced me to devote some serious thought to finding a creative solution to the issue of campaign messages.

I understand the desire not to politicize elections. But aren't voters wise enough to make their own decision to choose to receive campaign messages and make up their own minds?

I also respect privacy, and if users indicate they do not want campaign messages, there should be harsh sanctions for campaigners who ignore those wishes.

Please check out the proposal at Software and features, and vote to approve a new feature that allows users to control whether or not they receive campaign messages.

I'm hopeful that if users are allowed to explicitly declare their willingness to receive such messages, that others will not feel quite so offended.

If you'll support this effort, I think it will go a long ways towards increasing voter turnout in future elections.

Thanks in advance if you choose to help out.

Cheers,

--DV 12:14, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

P.S.: I've been impressed by the ability of the contributors on Misplaced Pages to find creative solutions to difficult issues, so if you have additional, creative ideas of your own, I would like to hear from you.

Thanks for adding your comments to the proposal, Johnleemk!

There are two separate issues here: pure, get-out-the-vote efforts, and candidate-specific messages.

I'm still on the fence about candidate-specific messages, because I happen to know from real-world experience that they work, and yet I understand the various folks who indicate they are turned off by them.

But there is a time-honored tradition of get-out-the-vote efforts, and even that much was met with a lot of hemming and hawing on the part of several Administrators when I asked if we could do more to publicize the election.

Perhaps I will make this point clearer in the proposal, but I would really like to know how many editors regularly hang out at recent changes, vs the number of editors who just edit the articles they are interested in and would otherwise be unaware that elections are even taking place.

I only became aware of the upcoming election because I saw an offhand reference to it on a user talk page. I very well could have continued editing articles and heard nothing about the election. I think many other editors are in this same boat.

My motivation is this - given the failure of the current administration to improve the editing environment, (many serious and very experienced editors have repeatedly expressed how stressful it is is to work on political or history articles), I insist that we need fresh faces with fresh ideas.

Restricting publicity about the elections to the portal and recent changes pages does not help increase voter turnout. And yet this lack of real publicity is what several administrators have said is "the way it's done around here".

Elections really need to be publicized on many, many user talk pages (in a tasteful manner, of course), to bring in those fresh new faces, or the editing environment will simply continue to stagnate with very slow improvements.

Please let me know if you have other ideas for how to improve the editing environment, but getting out the vote seems to be a critical part of it.

Thanks.

--DV 12:51, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Genghis Khan featured article submission response

There isn't much "all the material" on the topic of Genghis Khan per se. This is all we got and it is good. Can you suggest some more "material"? Try Google-ing "Genghis Khan" and compare the articles out there with this Misplaced Pages one.

Voting tallies == number of active editors?

By the way, per your recommendation on the "Spam" discussion subpage, I looked at the voting tallies for the Deletion policy votes, and it appeared that nothing received over a hundred votes.

Also, the "Three Revert Rule" stands at 152 to 27.

Are there really fewer than 179 active editors on Misplaced Pages?

If so, this project is quite a bit smaller than I thought it was.

For some reason I was under the impression that thousands of editors were working on this project.

If there really are thousands of editors, then your examples only strengthen my argument that elections need more publicity, because most editors have clearly not been watching for polls and elections if only 1% of them voted.

(As a matter of fact, in most countries with free and fair elections, the vote would be disbelieved and annulled as a farce if only 1% of the electorate turned out.)

I myself only found out about this election by an offhand reference on someone's user talk page. And I've known serious, although absent-minded writers who needed to be reminded to change their clothes every day, so this business about expecting any serious editor to check the portal and recent changes seems overly optimistic - hence my suggestions to be more proactive about publicizing elections.

You stated, "I see no point in advertising the election on several thousand user talk pages", so please back up your speculation about why this isn't necessary with some objective data, otherwise I think your assumptions are mistakenly supporting a policy which (un-intentionally) suppresses voter turnout.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss these issues with me.

Cheers,

--DV 13:43, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

John, I think that your personal dislike for me is preventing you from carrying on a reasonable discussion regarding the articles, and I'm unwilling to continue to tolerate the insults I've been receiving and at the same time having my work on articles put perpetually on hold. So I would like to know if you'd consider mediation? Everyking 16:09, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How in the world am I supposed to get community consensus, John? I've tried, I stayed up all night trying, I begged and begged for people to just talk to me about the articles, but you wouldn't, and nobody else would either. All anyone wanted to do was insult me. Now I'm very, very tired, and you probably wouldn't even believe how much stress this has all caused me. I'm going to try to get some rest. Everyking 17:03, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for combining the endorsement pages together. You showed extreme good faith. You voted against it but acted in a very decent way. Thanks again. --Mrfixter 20:36, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

VfD La La

John, last night in entering a comment on VfD I inadvertently removed your reference to America (song) while trying to copy-and-paste it to my comment. It's been spotted and fixed by someone else, but I know it might appear like a hostile act so I'm posting here to apologise. It was a careless error. --] 11:18, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)