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* This content dispute is about Iran‘s nuclear weapons activities. How does this relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Iran isn‘t even an Arab country. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 06:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | * This content dispute is about Iran‘s nuclear weapons activities. How does this relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Iran isn‘t even an Arab country. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 06:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | ||
**Closing as not actionable. Even insofar as this content might be seen as broadly relating to the geopolitical conflict between Israel and Iran, that conflict isn't part of the ''Arab''-Israeli conflict. The article about Khomeini is covered by the ] sanctions only insofar as it relates to Khomeini's or Iran's involvement in the Arab-Israeli conflict. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 20:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
*I agree, I fail to see the relation to the Arab-Israeli conflict. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 15:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | *I agree, I fail to see the relation to the Arab-Israeli conflict. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 15:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | ||
**{{u|Icewhiz}} Yes, it's true that Iran has involved itself at times in the Arab-Israeli conflict. So has the United States. But that does not mean that ''every'' action undertaken by the Iranian or US military is now ARBPIA-related. Of course, actions undertaken by any country to directly intervene in the Arab-Israeli conflict are covered under ARBPIA, but ''only'' those particular ones. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 16:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC) | **{{u|Icewhiz}} Yes, it's true that Iran has involved itself at times in the Arab-Israeli conflict. So has the United States. But that does not mean that ''every'' action undertaken by the Iranian or US military is now ARBPIA-related. Of course, actions undertaken by any country to directly intervene in the Arab-Israeli conflict are covered under ARBPIA, but ''only'' those particular ones. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 16:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC) |
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Resnjari
No action taken. Sandstein 15:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Resnjari
Taunting editors about past blocks. This is very common.
Yesterday, another Albanian user, Ilirpedia (talk · contribs) posted extremely offensive material on his userpage denigrating an entire ethnic group. I removed the material, and then Resnjari not only edit-warred to restore it, but he also referred to me as a troll: Note that Ilirpedia has been blocked indef and User:Ymblanter deleted his userpage, so I can't provide diffs of edits of the userpage. Resnjari also persistently brings up my old username, even though I have repeatedly told him not to. This is nothing new, he's been doing this ever since I changed my username. He also bad-mouths me to other editors, here he refers to me as "the usual types" "otherwise we get disruptive edits from the usual types" This behavior by Resnjari is persistent and has been going on as long as he has been editing Balkan topics ( ). Many of his comments are clearly intended to get under the skin of Greek editors without crossing the line into overt name calling. It has helped him avoid incivility blocks so far, but taken as a whole, his talkpage behavior contributes to a permanently charged and highly negative atmosphere to Balkan topics. Any discussion where Resnjari get involved quickly devolves into a circus where such snide remarks and taunts are bandied about. I find it particularly bothersome that when told not to do something that he knows bothers other editors, he doubles down.
@@Sandstein:, you don't think some kind of civility parole or injunction from casting aspersions and revealing my old username is in order? Because if not, you can rest assured this behavior will continue unabated. You will also notice how he doesn't think there is anything wrong with his behavior.
Discussion concerning ResnjariStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ResnjariApart from the character assassination provided by the filling editor, certain comments are cherry picked and taken out of context like: was in response to a discussion about Albanian Misplaced Pages. The editor in question said some unbecoming things , , , , about Albanian wiki administrators (who were not informed of the discussion) accusing them of "extreme nationalism", "stubborn", "childish behavior", "childish excuses" and so on. That editor made their own block part of the discussion . The editor also kept persisting with that wording and i said i was not surprised by their block by Albanian administrators. I did make offers to that editor for a solution and did reach one with another Greek editor in a civil way , . I am all for keeping civility in a discussion, but editors that cannot give a right of reply while having their reputations tarnished through allegations on other Misplaced Pages projects, what then of civility in that instance? On privacy issues, the filing editor has no qualms in bringing up issues over the past in reference to myself (as shown here), while sidelining his own behavior toward me due to him changing his username. Both accounts are linked and there is multiple edits of that kind. His past actions have been highlighted because they were uncivil like questioning my cognitive faculties, deleting my comments on talkpages when they violated no policy or guidelines -as it was in relation to dealing with POV related content in an article. Then there was calling my comments "rants" and even accusing me once of violating a 3rr rule and then had to withdraw because i did not. And that's just with me. To the filing editor, i ask how is that conducive to establishing good rapport? To the administrators, if i place links to all that evidence here, because it’s his old username will i get sanctioned? That is what he is inferring i guess. Or is a change of username considered a clean break? Those interactions of the very recent past with the filling editor, i found it all quite offensive. In the Ilirpedia case, the filing editor took unilateral actions of deletion instead placing something on the new editors talkpage so i personally thought it was a repeat of past interactions i have had with him. In the talkpage, the word "trolls" was in the sentence as i pasted the title and weblink to a wiki guideline which has that term in the title . If its an issue, then Misplaced Pages itself should remove it. In the end i asked the administrator for advice and clarification on the matter, it was resolved . I cannot go back in time and stop what happened and neither can he. All one can do, well on my part is reflect and importantly be careful in the future from now on. If i have caused offence within the Misplaced Pages community i sincerely apologise. My purpose over the nearly 10 years that i have been a Misplaced Pages editor is to above all else bring the quality of content on articles that i can make an actual contribution to a level befitting of an encyclopedia. That is my aim. I have only ever once been blocked in that whole time (for 24 hours) and it was over a trivial matter very recently, as is pointed out. Statement by (username)Result concerning Resnjari
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Tillman
Blocked for one week. GoldenRing (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC) |
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WP:CIV and threat of intimidation:
Pete Tillman has made a substantial number of contributions to Misplaced Pages, yet seems unable to keep himself from running afoul of controversy. He has an extensive history of tendentious editing on climate change, which has led to an indefinite sanction for articles dealing with those topics. His topic ban has not been appealed, and remains in force. However, and inexplicably, he still lists himself as being a member of the Climate Change Task Force. Balancing out his positive edits, he is habitually uncivil to editors he disagrees with, issuing threats to make things unpleasant for them (such as to myself, and for example, Jess, , ). Since he’s been a long-term and generally productive editor, I’m not sure what additional sanctions would help Mr. Tillman move past his counterproductive attitude, apart from having a time-out.
Discussion concerning TillmanStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by TillmanWhat appears to have brought this on: A note by me at the complainong editor's talk page, :
I'd suggest that those interested in this request read editor HidariMigi remarks at the Ross McKitrick BLP talk page and following sections. My recent involvement there has been minimal. Respectfully, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Tillman
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E.M.Gregory
Closed per filer's request. GoldenRing (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC) |
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The remedy states If an edit is reverted by another editor, its original author may not restore it within 24 hours. That has happened at multiple articles, with E.M.Gregory declining to self-revert. E.M.Gregory is disruptively removing what nearly every single source says in the introduction of an article about this attack, that it took place in a settlement in the West Bank. He is removing from the article of the settlement that it is in the West Bank, using such completely asinine phrases like "pre-1967 Jordanian occupied terriory to describe its current status (for those wondering that's currently Israeli-occupied West Bank). This is not a complicated or POV issue. This place is a settlement, that is a factual statement backed up by countless sources. Things like saying it is partially in pre-1967 Jordanian occupied territory, cited to a source that says nothing of the sort (the source cited, which I added to try fix the issue for the record, says it fits a dual description of a settlement and a community, never once saying anything about Jordanian occupation, at all, with or without reference to the location of the territory), are, and I may be overly blunt here, propaganda. All this effort to scrub the words "West Bank" and "Israeli settlement" from an article. There is no dispute that this place is a settlement or that it is largely in the West Bank. None. I waited more than a few minutes, and asked that the user self-revert prior to making the report. They declined. That they did so at about the same as I was pressing save makes this moot, but I did wait for the user to self-revert prior to coming here. But as it stands, I think this is moot. nableezy - 04:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC) @GoldenRing:, moot I think, though the use of such things as "previously Jordanian-occupied territory" is classic non-neutral POV-pushing, that can be dealt with through the talk pages until it gets to a level of disruption that merits coming here. nableezy - 16:31, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning E.M.GregoryStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by E.M.GregoryStatement by Coretheapple(EM Gregory talk page stalker) I note that EM Gregory self-reverted at about the time of the filing of this AE. I don't think waiting a few minutes before filing this would have killed anyone. Coretheapple (talk) 22:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I'm not even sure that the edits in question were reverts. The shooting article edits do not appear to be. Coretheapple (talk) 12:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC) Statement by HuldraWell, since E.M.Gregory posted I don't know wht you're on about but, just go ahead and fix it. I'm logging off now. (with the edit line fed up): I don't blame Nableezy for filing a report. Nothing in E.M.Gregory reply indicated that s/he would self revert. That s/he has self reverted after that, is a pleasant surprise. Actually, I spoke a bit hastily: E.M.Gregory has not reverted their edit on 2017 Har Adar shooting, only on Har Adar. There is a clear violation in their editing on 2017 Har Adar shooting Huldra (talk) 23:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Statement by IcewhizRegarding 2017 Har Adar shooting Nableezy admitted he was wrong in the content dispute - 2017 Har Adar shooting diff: 19:54, 26 September 2017, and did not request a self-revert on E.M.Gregory's talk page, nor is it clear which version E.M.Gregory should've self reverted to. In Har Adar E.M.Gregory did self-revert as requested. As for the content dispute - Har Adar (as Oranit) is different from the "typical" settlement in that the green line (whose exact location doesn't have "laser accuracy" - the line has a "width" (in additional to previous NMLs)) runs through it (and the separation barrier - beyond it), and that "functionally in real-estate terms" it is an upscale suburb (as opposed to a "far off" location inhabited by ideologically motivated residents). Some international sources used a short one-line of "Israeli settlement" others expanded on this (e.g. NYT) and mentioned it is an upscale suburb that straddles the line.Icewhiz (talk) 05:34, 27 September 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)My mistake, for which I apologize. In a bit of cosmic irony, I had just finished making this comment and was about to log off (because I was running late for a real life obligation); I responded hastily but sincerely . I honestly did not immediately see what he was on about, so I urged him to fix whatever it was. As I packed up what I needed for my relal life obligation, I thorough through the fact that I had noticed a discrepancy between info in 2017 Har Adar shooting and what Isabel Kershner was reporting in the New York Times, info that was also appearing in the Jerusalem Post. I had changed to the wording according to those 2 sources from (paraphrasing here,) in the West Bank to straddling the Green Line, or something of the sort. Then both of us had gone to double-check, and both had added info from the same university press book to Har Adar page, but to different sections on that page so that I had not seen his edit at first, and had then consolidated the two citatoions and left what I thought was good wording on the page. As soon as I realized that the changes I had made to Har Adar must have been what Nableezy was complaining about, I logged back in, reverted what seemed to have been the offending edit, and rushed off. I just logged in to discover that this had been taken here. I confess to being guilty of carelessness, of forgetting the arcane rules that apply to I/P while editing what felt like routine facts in yet another terrorism article ( I do a lot of editing of terrorism attacks), of forgetting that in I/P even in a minor wording dispute you have to not revert - these rules do not apply in other controversial areas where I work, (like American politics) or even in the case of very similar articles where the attack occurs in Australia or France. Mea culpa. mea maxima culpa. I cannot promise never to make another mistake or never to forget or to not be aware of a rule, but I do promise to try harder and, especially, to remember my recurring resolve to stay out of the Middle East. E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC) Result concerning E.M.Gregory
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Avaya1
Not actionable. Sandstein 19:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Avaya1
On 13 September 2017, a discussion started on Talk:Israel#Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2017 to remove an image from Israel article.
It's not the first time Avaya1 pretend to not see other editors' rationale (see below). Then, on the talk page Avaya1 stated that I am forcing the change and no one else supporting it, although clearly it's another user who initiated the request.
Was a subject of Arbitration Enforcement on 9 January 2014 for similar behavior with the following result: "Avaya1 now subject to 0RR on articles related to Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted."
Overall, for a user, who's on Misplaced Pages for over 10 years with 20,000+ edits, Avaya1's behavior is very unprofessional and disruptive. He's often ignoring other editors, leaving no edit summaries, and making technically clumsy edits like a newbie. I went through some of his latest contributions: In Kurds, he blatantly ignores other editor, like he did in Israel:
In Valerie Plame, he made 75 (!) edits in one day, most are without summaries. Look how insignificant the result is, and keep in mind that there's almost no changes by other users in-between: --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC) As I understand from this notice, Israel is in the WP:ARBPIA topic area. Previous Arbitration Enforcement states: "Avaya1 now subject to 0RR on articles related to Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted." --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Avaya1Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Avaya1Statement by (username)Triggerhippie4 ignored the only kind of consensus in the talkpage about the image, and removed the image. He has deleted the image and without yet gaining a new consensus at the time of his edits. The image was re-inserted according to and after we had got explicit consensus that is on the talkpage, which is within the 0RR restriction. The 0RR restriction states that there needs to be consensus for the revert- and there was. I'm not sure how Triggerhippie4's write-up about unrelated articles and edits on Valerie Plame or Kurds is relevant to the dispute, it appears more like border-line wikistalking. I used edit summaries for any notable edits on the Plame article, and likewise for the Kurds article. The image of Oz is included in the Israel article - again, only because it was according to the only consensus in the discussion page we yet have about it and because there is no new consensus yet. Also I am not sure how Oz (or the Kurds or Plame) is directly relevant to Israel-Palestine conflict. Avaya1 (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2017 (UTC) Result concerning Avaya1
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Psychonot
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Request concerning Psychonot
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Mhhossein (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:45, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Psychonot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 25 September 2017 The reported user added a material and made a new subsection.
- 27 September 2017 I removed a part of the material per WP:SYNTH.
- 27 September 2017 I removed another part per WP:SYNTH
- 27 September 2017 He reverted me and restored his material, less than 24 hrs after I had done the edit.
- 27 September 2017 I notified him regarding the sanction being applied to the article and asked him for a self-revert.
- 27 September 2017 At first he accepted and made the self-revert.
- 27 September 2017 He again restored the disputed content.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
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- I had notified him regarding the sanction.
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The mentioned user has apparently engaged edit warring on other pages, too (see the warnings removed by him).
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Discussion concerning Psychonot
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Statement by Icewhiz
As someone involved in Ali Khamenei in general, and Mhhossein's activities there in particular, I'd like to make a few comments:
- I don't think Psychonot's violated 1RR, as some 48 hours elapses between Psychonot's original edit and the revert. I might however be wrong in interpreting the rule.
- Mhhossein himself clearly violated 1RR quite recently in Ali Khamenei ( + , revert here - 12 hours later), and it took quite a bit of explaining on his talk page (without threatening to bring this to AE) to get him to self-revert - . I'll note that this warning was both due to the "original author" clause (which Mhhossein has cited Psychonot for), and for the original action being a revert.
- Mhhossein's actions in filing an SPI investigation against me and attempting to open an SPI investigating against User:Dr.K. after a content dispute over whether Newsweek was RS (!!!!) on Ali Khamenei - were a recent subject at ANI - ANI archive: Open an SPI: A new form of disruption at an article covered by WP:ARBPIA.
- In the past two weeks in Ali Khamenei Mhhossein has been edit-warring with several different editors, and to my opinion is not acting per NPOV.
- Mhhossein has quite recently 12:39, 27 September 2017 WP:CANVASSed a single editor to support his views on the talk page.
- While some of Mhhossein's edits are constructive, I think WP:BOOMERANG should be considered.Icewhiz (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Addendum - I just got accused by Mhhossein of HOUNDING - 06:10, 28 September 2017 - presumably (6 minutes after) for posting this AE comment (which is on my watchlist) on Ali Khamenei (which is on my watchlist as well, as well as being involved in the on-going editing and discussion there) - and this from an editor with whom I've actually had fairly little interaction with outside of Ali Khamenei Icewhiz (talk) 06:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@Seraphimblade:, @Sandstein: - Talk:Ali Khamenei (as well as topics such as Talk:Nuclear program of Iran) has an Arab-Israeli arbcom notice. While Iranians are definitely not Arab, post 1979 (and particularly post-1988) Iran has been an active side to the conflict - supporting Islamist Shia (Hezbollah) and Sunni (e.g. Palestinian) factions at various times and has allegedly been involved in various proxy/espionage/revolutionary-guards/etc conflicts with Israel. Iran is stated by many sources to be Israel's chief regional adversary from the decline (1991) and susequent fall of Saddam's Iraq - so I could see why this would make sense, even if the name is not appropriate.Icewhiz (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
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Result concerning Psychonot
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- This content dispute is about Iran‘s nuclear weapons activities. How does this relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Iran isn‘t even an Arab country. Sandstein 06:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Closing as not actionable. Even insofar as this content might be seen as broadly relating to the geopolitical conflict between Israel and Iran, that conflict isn't part of the Arab-Israeli conflict. The article about Khomeini is covered by the WP:ARBPIA sanctions only insofar as it relates to Khomeini's or Iran's involvement in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Sandstein 20:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- I agree, I fail to see the relation to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Seraphimblade 15:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Icewhiz Yes, it's true that Iran has involved itself at times in the Arab-Israeli conflict. So has the United States. But that does not mean that every action undertaken by the Iranian or US military is now ARBPIA-related. Of course, actions undertaken by any country to directly intervene in the Arab-Israeli conflict are covered under ARBPIA, but only those particular ones. Seraphimblade 16:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)