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| Upon getting the worst of it in the technical discussions that he initiated on the CTMU article's discussion page, Byrgenwulf quickly nominated ''every article having to do with Christopher Langan'' (except Langan's bio itself) for deletion. The ensuing AfD/DR debate regarding the CTMU was particularly contentious. Because Byrgenwulf misrepresented the CTMU as "pseudoscience" in order to recruit support for his deletional initiatives at and ], the ''keeps'' were numerically overwhelmed by the ''deletes''. Most of the votes for deletion came from people who knew nothing about the CTMU except that a paper about it had been published in the journal of an organization (]) friendly to ], a set of ideas which many of them despise as "anti-]" (ironic, given that the CTMU explicitly acknowledges the reality of evolution). | Upon getting the worst of it in the technical discussions that he initiated on the CTMU article's discussion page, Byrgenwulf quickly nominated ''every article having to do with Christopher Langan'' (except Langan's bio itself) for deletion. The ensuing AfD/DR debate regarding the CTMU was particularly contentious. Because Byrgenwulf misrepresented the CTMU as "pseudoscience" in order to recruit support for his deletional initiatives at and ], the ''keeps'' were numerically overwhelmed by the ''deletes''. Most of the votes for deletion came from people who knew nothing about the CTMU except that a paper about it had been published in the journal of an organization (]) friendly to ], a set of ideas which many of them despise as "anti-]" (ironic, given that the CTMU explicitly acknowledges the reality of evolution). | ||
| I admit that at several points during the AfD/DR, I became impatient and even angry, and it showed. However, I was given plenty of provocation. For example, those opposed to the article falsely accused those in favor of presenting "forged archives", using big red letters to trumpet their allegation. They also made numerous false accusations of sockpuppetry - ironic, given that they greatly outnumbered the keeps - and incivility, depite numerous examples of incivility on their own parts. They accused me of being Langan, intimating that I had authored the CTMU article and my own biography. They even accused me and DrL of commercial "shilling", apparently for (1) daring to remove slurs and correct falsehoods in |
I admit that at several points during the AfD/DR, I became impatient and even angry, and it showed. However, I was given plenty of provocation. For example, those opposed to the article falsely accused those in favor of presenting "forged archives", using big red letters to trumpet their allegation. They also made numerous false accusations of sockpuppetry - ironic, given that they greatly outnumbered the keeps - and incivility, depite numerous examples of incivility on their own parts. They accused me of being Langan, intimating that I had authored the CTMU article and my own biography. They even accused me and DrL of commercial "shilling", apparently for (1) daring to remove slurs and correct falsehoods in two Misplaced Pages articles (], ]) in full compliance with WP, and (2) writing a couple of stubs regarding a nonprofit charitable-purpose foundation and one of its projects, with which we may or may not be affiliated. Obviously, this cannot be legitimately described as "shilling", and neither DrL nor I owes anyone an apology. | ||
| After Byrgenwulf had succeeded in deleting all of the Langan-related articles, he began to complain that although he had invited me to engage him in a content-oriented debate regarding the CTMU, I had avoided doing so. Therefore, I went to his talk page and gave him the debate he desired. In the course of this , Byrgenwulf - self-described expert in the philosophy of physics - was caught in 70 errors, some of them fundamental in nature. (Of course, he claims not to have made even one of them, but this is unsurprising given his narrow mindset and the low level of logico-philosophical expertise he actually succeeded in demonstrating.) In all probability, his ongoing attack is at least partially a reflection of his resentment over having bungled this debate. | After Byrgenwulf had succeeded in deleting all of the Langan-related articles, he began to complain that although he had invited me to engage him in a content-oriented debate regarding the CTMU, I had avoided doing so. Therefore, I went to his talk page and gave him the debate he desired. In the course of this , Byrgenwulf - self-described expert in the philosophy of physics - was caught in 70 errors, some of them fundamental in nature. (Of course, he claims not to have made even one of them, but this is unsurprising given his narrow mindset and the low level of logico-philosophical expertise he actually succeeded in demonstrating.) In all probability, his ongoing attack is at least partially a reflection of his resentment over having bungled this debate. | ||
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| I have no interest in engaging in a point-by-point refutation of Byrgenwulf's offensive screed, which he posted under the pretext of creating a "record" of his own terminally confused but pathologically aggressive initiatives and their various sequelae. That would be a time sink; since all of the administrative intervention regarding Byrgenwulf's activities has thus far seemed to favored Byrgenwulf and his comrades-in-arms, I am no longer willing to bank large amounts of time and effort on the prospects of administrative understanding and fair treatment here at Misplaced Pages (with all due respect, of course). I now regard Misplaced Pages as seriously "broken" in this respect, the victim of systemic bias, collective naivete, and random purgative frenzies of an intensity sometimes approaching mob psychosis. However, that does not mean that I will sit quietly by and countenance the serial abuse of this highly public site by people who insist on using it as a venue through which to prosecute defamatory vendettas and absurdly bloated claims of "expertise". In this respect, User Byrgenwulf is a viable contender for worst-of-breed, and the less interaction I am forced to suffer with such people, the happier I will be. | |||
| I'll come back and add links and further information as time permits. Thank you, ] 18:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC) | I'll come back and add links and further information as time permits. Thank you, ] 18:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Asmodeus
To begin, please note that this RfC was initiated only after I complained about an attack page recently posted by User:Byrgenwulf. Thus, it is clearly designed to cover Byrgenwulf's haunches regarding that attack page, the culmination of a vendetta by User Byrgenwulf against me, DrL, Misplaced Pages bio subject Christopher Langan, and Langan's theory, the CTMU.
On July 10, 2006, Byrgenwulf, going by the name Stephen O'Grady (as previously provided by Byrgenwulf himself), received a "heads-up" about Misplaced Pages's CTMU article on the website of the Brights, which is controlled and largely populated by militants of an atheist-materialist philosophical persuasion. After declaring that his interest was "piqued" by reading that "Langan is linked to ID", Byrgenwulf proceeded to make numerous disparaging but incorrect or vapid remarks about the theory, boastfully holding his own technical ability superior to Langan's. Immediately afterward - on that very same day, July 10 - he initiated a focused attack against that article on Misplaced Pages. In editing the CTMU and Langan articles, he tarred the CTMU as "pseudoscience" despite the fact that it had always been clearly presented as philosophy, and Langan as a "crank" (something specifically forbidden by the head of the Wikimedia Foundation). This, of course, betrays the fact that his behavior is rooted in philosophical bias and personal antipathy.
Dubiously presenting himself as an expert in "the philosophy of physics", Byrgenwulf also denounced what he described as "logical errors" in the CTMU. Some of these are dealt with in the protracted CTMU debate that he eventually managed to wheedle out of me on his talk page. Of course, arguments regarding the content of a theory are irrelevant to the criteria for inclusion in Misplaced Pages; verifiable notability is all that really matters. In fact, the CTMU is inarguably notable by Misplaced Pages standards; it was described and/or mentioned repeatedly, and seriously, in various high-circulation mainstream periodicals (Popular Science, the London Times, etc.) and broadcasts (ABC, the BBC, etc.), now getting between 10 and 20 thousand hits on google (under Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe). By introducing such forbidden arguments very early in the debate, Byrgenwulf quickly made it clear that he had attacked the article not only because he dislikes its author, but because he disagrees with the theory.
Upon getting the worst of it in the technical discussions that he initiated on the CTMU article's discussion page, Byrgenwulf quickly nominated every article having to do with Christopher Langan (except Langan's bio itself) for deletion. The ensuing AfD/DR debate regarding the CTMU was particularly contentious. Because Byrgenwulf misrepresented the CTMU as "pseudoscience" in order to recruit support for his deletional initiatives at WikiProject Pseudoscience and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Physics, the keeps were numerically overwhelmed by the deletes. Most of the votes for deletion came from people who knew nothing about the CTMU except that a paper about it had been published in the journal of an organization (ISCID) friendly to Intelligent Design, a set of ideas which many of them despise as "anti-evolution" (ironic, given that the CTMU explicitly acknowledges the reality of evolution).
I admit that at several points during the AfD/DR, I became impatient and even angry, and it showed. However, I was given plenty of provocation. For example, those opposed to the article falsely accused those in favor of presenting "forged archives", using big red letters to trumpet their allegation. They also made numerous false accusations of sockpuppetry - ironic, given that they greatly outnumbered the keeps - and incivility, depite numerous examples of incivility on their own parts. They accused me of being Langan, intimating that I had authored the CTMU article and my own biography. They even accused me and DrL of commercial "shilling", apparently for (1) daring to remove slurs and correct falsehoods in two Misplaced Pages articles (Christopher Langan, CTMU) in full compliance with WP, and (2) writing a couple of stubs regarding a nonprofit charitable-purpose foundation and one of its projects, with which we may or may not be affiliated. Obviously, this cannot be legitimately described as "shilling", and neither DrL nor I owes anyone an apology.
After Byrgenwulf had succeeded in deleting all of the Langan-related articles, he began to complain that although he had invited me to engage him in a content-oriented debate regarding the CTMU, I had avoided doing so. Therefore, I went to his talk page and gave him the debate he desired. In the course of this debate, Byrgenwulf - self-described expert in the philosophy of physics - was caught in 70 errors, some of them fundamental in nature. (Of course, he claims not to have made even one of them, but this is unsurprising given his narrow mindset and the low level of logico-philosophical expertise he actually succeeded in demonstrating.) In all probability, his ongoing attack is at least partially a reflection of his resentment over having bungled this debate.
After Byrgenwulf stopped arguing and archived the debate, things died down. Gratefully, I turned to other (off-wiki) pursuits. But just when everything seemed to have returned to normal, Byrgenwulf suddenly attempted to renew the conflagration by publishing his attack page, prompting one of his confederates in the CTMU AfD/DR debacle (User:Anville) to link it to the talk pages of people more or less involved in certain related negotiations. My recent contributions to this site consist almost exclusively of trying to get him to remove it, and his confederate to remove his/her links, in compliance with WP:CIV and other core elements of WP. The timing of this RfC strongly indicates that it was designed and initiated to ward off these attempts.
The problems with Byrgenwulf's self-justificative attack screed include the following:
(1) The page contains numerous examples of blatant incivility and character assassination. DrL and I are called "nasty", "liars", etc. (largely because we dared to call attention to Byrgenwulf's own numerous departures from WP).
(2) The page contains rank speculation on the motives and mental states of DrL and me at various junctures. All of these speculations are counterfactual and transparently designed to slant things against us. These pejorative speculations violate NPOV and fail to reflect the assumption of good faith.
(3) The page contains numerous misrepresentations of other kinds. For example, it labels a certain nonprofit publishing house, which does not accept unsolicited manuscripts and does not charge to publish, a "vanity press". This highlights the author's generally disparaging intent.
(4) Many of the references are given in a misleading way, without sufficient attention to the falsehoods and/or provocations which preceeded them.
(5) Commenting on an unattributed quotation about Langan, Byrgenwulf frankly admits that he is incapable of assuming good faith on my own part (not only a non sequitur, but another blatant violation of Misplaced Pages guidelines).
(6) The page contains remarks which threaten to disrupt certain negotiations now in progress. Similarly, the page contains certain remarks regarding other personal interactions which do not involve Byrgenwulf himself, and these too could easily turn disruptive. Disruptive behavior is against Misplaced Pages Policy.
(Et cetera)
I have no interest in engaging in a point-by-point refutation of Byrgenwulf's offensive screed, which he posted under the pretext of creating a "record" of his own terminally confused but pathologically aggressive initiatives and their various sequelae. That would be a time sink; since all of the administrative intervention regarding Byrgenwulf's activities has thus far seemed to favored Byrgenwulf and his comrades-in-arms, I am no longer willing to bank large amounts of time and effort on the prospects of administrative understanding and fair treatment here at Misplaced Pages (with all due respect, of course). I now regard Misplaced Pages as seriously "broken" in this respect, the victim of systemic bias, collective naivete, and random purgative frenzies of an intensity sometimes approaching mob psychosis. However, that does not mean that I will sit quietly by and countenance the serial abuse of this highly public site by people who insist on using it as a venue through which to prosecute defamatory vendettas and absurdly bloated claims of "expertise". In this respect, User Byrgenwulf is a viable contender for worst-of-breed, and the less interaction I am forced to suffer with such people, the happier I will be.
I'll come back and add links and further information as time permits. Thank you, Asmodeus 18:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)