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	::I'm concerned about using ] as a source most of the time. Often you have to wade through many pages to find what the citation actually says, and there is a price in $$$ and a cart for buying the book. I'm not disputing that ''Halloween'' is an influential film, but both the wording and the sourcing need to be tightened up.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 05:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)		::I'm concerned about using ] as a source most of the time. Often you have to wade through many pages to find what the citation actually says, and there is a price in $$$ and a cart for buying the book. I'm not disputing that ''Halloween'' is an influential film, but both the wording and the sourcing need to be tightened up.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 05:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
	::: The sourcing is perfectly fine. The book is published by ]. It should not have been removed. I hope you're not going around removing sources just because you dislike using Google Books. That would be highly disruptive. ] (]) 06:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)		::: The sourcing is perfectly fine. The book is published by ]. It should not have been removed. I hope you're not going around removing sources just because you dislike using Google Books. That would be highly disruptive. ] (]) 06:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
	::::What I'm looking for here is a plain language sentence that is clearly supported by the sourcing given. I think that's what Volunteer Marek is looking for as well. The sentence that was removed doesn't make a great deal of sense. What are the "Several of Halloween's techniques and plot elements?" Too vague. Nor is it clear exactly how the sourcing supports this.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)		::::What I'm looking for here is a plain language sentence that is clearly supported by the sourcing given. I think that's what Volunteer Marek is looking for as well. The sentence that was removed doesn't make a great deal of sense. What are the "Several of Halloween's techniques and plot elements?" Too vague. Nor is it clear exactly how the sourcing supports this. I read through the mentioned, but it doesn't say anything like what the sentence in the lead says. A person shouldn't use sources to make them say things that they don't clearly say, per ]. The most obvious film that ''Halloween'' is parodying/referencing is Hitchcock's '']'', even using ]'s daughter as the heroine. --'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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trivia about Italian edition

Do you think those information more pertinent to the Italian page or to the English one?:

The Italian public at time the movie was released there (22 July 1979) wasn't yet aware of what hallowe'en is for the Anglo-Saxon countries, so the characters, in the Italian edition, hallowe'en was translated "the day before Hallowmas" or "witches' night". The movie itself was renamed "Halloween-La notte delle streghe" (=the witches' night) in order to make understandable the title to then-average Ausonian audience, and the sequel Halloween II became "Halloween II: Il signore della morte" (=The Lord of the Death). Today hallowe'en is known and celebrated also in Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.59.152.10 (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Both. It's certainly pertinent here, because this is the film's country of origin. Anything that is directly related to this film that occurs in other countries is relevant here as well. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

References

there's another synonym in English for "Italian"?

Verification

My apologies if it's already sourced (didn't see a reference right after the statement though) and I'm not doubting it, but is there a resource/citation to prove this to be true (in the opening paragraph):

The original draft of the screenplay was titled The Babysitter Murders.

? 69.129.170.102 (talk) 02:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It is properly sourced in the Production section. You can repeat statements in the intro without the citation, if properly sourced later in the article. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 02:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Murder of James Bulger

The UK media is currently preoccupied with the Murder of James Bulger after one of the killers, Jon Venables, was recalled to prison. One new piece of information to emerge is that the 10-year-old Venables apparently produced a drawing inspired by the 1978 film Halloween, of which he said:"In my dads I saw howowen is when you a girl and this man and he kiled people especial girls and he has got a mask on that he robed knifes out the shop and the police that it was plce but it was not it was the man." The alleged but generally discredited link with Child's Play 3 has received far more coverage, but this could be worth noting in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ 16:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

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Plot

I think the plot needs either some serious editing, or a do-over. The plot is not written in an encyclopedic style, and seems to be written by someone with not much writing experience. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Comodor (talk • contribs) 20:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Possible FAR

I'm thinking of taking this article to FAR, seeing as how it's one of the older FACs and hasn't been reviewed since its nomination. I'm finding the references are inconsistent, I think all need to use one of the relevant citation templates, e.g. {{cite web}} {{cite book}} {{cite news}} {{cite journal}}, among others. Also there should be less references to the Internet Movie Database, as it's common knowledge they are of questionable reliability. And several references have broken external links, . The television rights section is tagged with needing references, and I also believe the influences section can be expanded.--The Taerkasten (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Proceeded by/Proceeds

I'm just now noticing this in a lot of the movie pages, but in the info box, didn't there use to be a piece at the bottom of the boxes that would say, for example, Proceeds: Halloween II, Proceeded by Halloween 4, or something of that nature? I used to be able to click on them and just smoothly go through the pages without having to go back and look for another link for the next movie in the series. Was there a policy change? Jeremyeyork (talk) 13:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox film#Preceded by/Followed by—"The 'Preceded by' and 'Followed by' parameters were removed on 16 February 2011." Sottolacqua (talk) 13:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

First television airing

It can't be correct that the first televising of Halloween was in October 1981, because I saw it on TV while attending a school which I attended from Oct 1978 to May 1981. I believe I saw it in the fall of 1980. Palmleaf (talk) 07:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

You could be right. If you can find a reliable source for that, we could fix it. Rivertorch (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Original research

I removed some original research from the article. It can come back, but it needs citations to do so. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Missing Cast Section

This article is missing the section on the cast and characters, this should be added to the article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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Michael Myers Character Concept and Creation section

As I have stated on the talk page for Michael Myers, that article is missing a large portion of information on the character's concept and creation which needs to be added to the article. A good portion of this information can be found in the articles on the different films in the series including this one. I have created a userspace in order to add these pieces of information separately before putting them into this article. Anyone willing to work on this would be fine by me. Here's the link to the page: User:Paleface Jack/Michael Myers (Halloween)/Concept and creation--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:35, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

what does this even mean?

"Several of Halloween's techniques and plot elements, although not founded in this film, have nonetheless become standard slasher movie tropes."? Volunteer Marek 04:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I think it's trying to say that the style of the film has been widely copied, which is true. However, it is using fancy language which may confuse the reader. We aren't writing a social sciences essay where there are bonus marks for using fancy jargon, so this should be reworded. It's also unclear whether this is an accurate summary of what the source says, or an WP:OR interpretation of it. Frankly, this sentence could go because it is too vague and unencyclopedic for the WP:LEAD. Plain language, please. I'm also concerned that this may be a shameless plug for the book involved in the lead.--♦IanMacM♦ 04:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

It sounds like it's saying that some tropes weren't originated in this film, but Halloween popularized them. The exact page doesn't seem available on Google Books, but this chapter is. It seems to suggest that the film can't really be viewed in terms of slasher tropes because the genre didn't really exist yet. Instead, the author seems to be saying that Halloween borrowed some aspects from earlier films (such as Black Christmas), established some tropes, and popularized others, all while failing to adhere to some elements that would become slasher film cliches. This looks like an interesting book. It should probably be used further. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm concerned about using Google Books as a source most of the time. Often you have to wade through many pages to find what the citation actually says, and there is a price in $$$ and a cart for buying the book. I'm not disputing that Halloween is an influential film, but both the wording and the sourcing need to be tightened up.--♦IanMacM♦ 05:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

The sourcing is perfectly fine. The book is published by Columbia University Press. It should not have been removed. I hope you're not going around removing sources just because you dislike using Google Books. That would be highly disruptive. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

What I'm looking for here is a plain language sentence that is clearly supported by the sourcing given. I think that's what Volunteer Marek is looking for as well. The sentence that was removed doesn't make a great deal of sense. What are the "Several of Halloween's techniques and plot elements?" Too vague. Nor is it clear exactly how the sourcing supports this. I read through the chapter mentioned, but it doesn't say anything like what the sentence in the lead says. A person shouldn't use sources to make them say things that they don't clearly say, per WP:OR. The most obvious film that Halloween is parodying/referencing is Hitchcock's Psycho, even using Janet Leigh's daughter as the heroine. --♦IanMacM♦ 07:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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