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I think that finding in 2010 was incorrectly worded

• doi:10.1002/anie.201000679
• press release in 12 July 2010 https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/1706-1.174049

Simplest explanation: it can be that "ovocleidin-17" protein was part of egg from "bird that was not a chicken" (or from "proto chicken") but "ovocleidin-17" has been produced after mutation.

We can only speculate in either direction (mutation or not).

So, "Egg came first" is not defeated by "ovocleidin-17" arguments.

"ovocleidin-17" can simplify what we understand as "chicken". D1gggg (talk) 18:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

"The chicken is only an egg's way of making another egg"

Apparently it was expressed in Life and Habit, ch. 8 (1877) w:wikiquote:Samuel Butler (novelist)

I have troubles to find exact quote from Richard Dawkins bibliography or w:wikiquote:Richard Dawkins

For example: "This is of course the old 'a chicken is just an egg's way to breed a new egg' line of thinking, dressed up in fancy hi-tech. It is equally possible to give an account of genetics and evolution from the point of view of the organism ..." D1gggg (talk) 13:43, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

recent edits by Deacon Vorbis

• explanation from Sorensen is removed
• incorrect references about Aristotle by François Fénelon
• illustrations to "Which came first: the chicken or the egg? The egg – laid by a bird that was not a chicken" just removed

I'm not able to get explanation from @Deacon Vorbis: at their user pages... D1gggg (talk) 13:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

They're not my edits; they're yours, that have been reverted. I've already explained: there's a lot of bad markup (colored boxes around words, etc), poor English, removal of content that shouldn't be removed, and a little bit of stuff that looks like WP:OR. --Deacon Vorbis (talk) 13:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

WP:LISTEN to WP:BURDEN

I explained all the additions and all the removals.

It is your time to explain your deletion of correct statements and your addition of incorrect claims, wrong quotations and such. D1gggg (talk) 13:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Deacon Vorbis: why you are re-adding wrong quotation about Aristotle repeatedly?

quotation was discussed 2 years ago D1gggg (talk) 14:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Improving or trashing this article

Hmm... let's think about what to do here. My proposal is that we look for articles in the popular press that talk about this and start gathering good sources. Let's not include self-published sources unless we think it's worth directly attributing them (e.g. NdT's twitter quote).

jps (talk) 15:41, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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