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S outhern forest-products and forestry: developments and prospects has been deleted. See Misplaced Pages:No original research. NawlinWiki 17:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

merge to Bioremediation

Hi,

please consider merging your article Bioremediation. into Bioremediation. Kpjas 08:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Say what?

To quote your edit on triphenylphosphine "DEAD) converts an alcohol and a carboxylic acid to an ester in carbon respiration." Vandalism or ridiculous or am I missing something?--Smokefoot 21:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Saw your note. I just couldnt figure out why anyone would insert a comment about respiration into an article on an organic reagent. It would be unfortunate if you ceased contributing just because of me, because you appear to have a lot to contribute. I am no administrator or anything official, just another person focused on inserting content for the common good. I also am still learning how to interact.--Smokefoot 15:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You again?

Hello, Mattisse! -999 (Talk) 17:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Your unconstructive role on Athanasian Creed

Dude, if you have have any dispute about anything specific in that article, please question it SPECIFICALLY at an appropriate specific location, instead of adding a generic unspecific blanket "unsourced" template to an article which in fact is moderately well-sourced (certainly more so than hundreds of thousands of other articles on Misplaced Pages), or mechanically adding a "citation needed" marker to every single fricken section (including to the rubric of the text from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer!!!). AnonMoos 02:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Unconstructive

It is very rude to shout like that, AnonMoos! However, I agreed that Timmy is being a bit of a pest and hope he can get a life elsewhere, soon.

Vernon White 07:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If he just adds unspecific templates to the whole article (or indiscriminately to every single section thereof) -- when those who probably know a lot more about the Athanasian Creed than he does seem to be moderately well satisfied with the current state of the article -- then he's not using the templates in a way that can reasonably be expected to result in useful improvement of the article. And if he can't tell the rubric of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer apart from the actual article text, then maybe he shouldn't be trying to edit the article in the first place... AnonMoos 11:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree too that Timmy12 "is being a bit of a pest" and I too "hope he can get a life elsewhere, soon". His normal (or abnormal) modus operandi is to insert citation requests throughout an article, usually when they are quite unnecessary or, more childishly still, when they are already satisfied (cf the reference to the work of J.N.D. Kelly, for example)! He has similarly vandalised the article on Billy May, for example requesting a citation for the simple, factual statement that May was signed to Capitol Records. His actions are just puerile. (Sorry, Timmy, I suppose I need a citation for that) For the record, Misplaced Pages's own guidelines are that "Attribution is especially needed for direct quotes, information that is contentious or likely to be challenged, and superlatives and absolutes." Shouldn't need spelling out, really. I guess that Timmy's rather bitter and twisted comments on his User Page give the game away. Or does his user name indicate his age? Gervius

However, Timmy's interventions led me to improve Davies Gilbert and learn about Creeds from AnonMoos. Perhaps he/she will dialogue with us about his reasons for trying to wind us up (need for disambiguation of this term!).

Vernon White 15:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Timmy12 repeating his mistakes

Some of the responses to your actions are "unfriendly" in tone because you consistently persist in your inadvisable actions, regardless of what advice or help people try to give you. Instead of constantly repeating your same old mistakes again and again, and ranting away on your User page, why not discuss and try to explain your actions here on this page (your User talk page)??? That would be much more constructive... AnonMoos 13:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I see the "Sock Puppet" accusation below and also ]'s comments. I feel that Timmy77 or whoever he/she is, may be responding to the adverse way in which WP initiates newbies. It's something of a wind up, to use a British slang expression. In my own case, I had spent a lot of time and energy drafting articles and checking sources and then was suddenly accused of being a multiple vandal. This was because I was using a public library internet terminal and some naughty boys on other terminals had been vandalising WP articles and blackened the name of the library service's ISP.

My original Username is now, effectively a "sock puppet" as I was advised to get a different ISP and Username. Eventually my old Username was unblocked but I had already transferred my contributions list to the new Username. The whole process was deeply unpleasant and co-incided with as complicated long-distance house move and job change. Can WP moderate this painful process or will it always be run by uptight thugs who speak gobbledygook? This is a question that Timmy12 and Wikid77 pose. I hope that the induction process can be smoothed and a discipline learnt in easy steps by all newcomers.

Perhaps the best advice is to take a break from editing and do something that is as far away as possible from the Republic of Misplaced Pages. I'm digging a big hole in the ground. I would particularly like to thank Timmy77 and AnonMoos for reminding me that there are better things to do thank responding pettishly to aggravation. . . BEST WISHES Vernon White 21:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, and I can't force Timmie to do anything, but if Timmie wants to get along, he should work towards cooperating to produce better articles (rather than making a point, or leaving his mark, or whatever it is that's motivating him now). AnonMoos 06:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sometime in the early hours, Timmy12 put a "cleanup" template on my User subpage headed "Draft". He/sh clearly has more spare time than me! Back to digging my hole.--- Vernon White 06:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Cole Porter refs

Hello, Timmy12. I agree with your user page: "Very unfriendly place around here" (amen). I saw your citation recommendations for the article "Cole Porter" and have begun adding references. I have noticed there are some Wiki gangs of cohorts forming cliques ("Cliquipedia"): they got me on the 3-revert rule ("Misplaced Pages:3RR") and disabled my user-id for 24 hours. I recommend the following tactics (which you might already know):

• avoid popular topics: articles where contributions get reverted or twisted by clever edits;
• make changes slowly: when rewriting an entire article, spread changes over 2 weeks or so;
• beware cliques: if attacked by multiple cohorts, leave the article or try just a small edit;
• find a niche: look for good topics that aren't popular targets of edit mania.

I have had many hours of "23" changes erased by flat revert, and also I have had an entire 10-page article deleted (within 9 days) by a collusion of "5 Delete votes" so I sympathize with your user-page comments. Perhaps the Wiki management will change some day to better encourage decent behavior; meanwhile, they haven't deleted all the useful information: feeding Wiki articles to ad-companies is too beneficial to remove all good information from the Wiki world. -Wikid77 00:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Hello, Mattisse. Looks like I'll have to open another sockpuppetry case when I have time. Ciao. —Hanuman Das 13:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Hanuman Das 13:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page

I deleted your message intentionally. Do not restore it again. Goodbye, Mattisse. I may not be able to prove it this time, but your "repeatedly" gives you away. I can only repeatedly have accused you of sockpuppetry if you really are a sockpuppet. Doh! —Hanuman Das 02:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the actual giveaway terms were "constant" and "obsessive". I've only accused you once. How is that "constant" or "obsessive", hmmm? —Hanuman Das 02:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Harrassment by Timmy12

I have asked Timmy12 to stop posting to my talk page. I have stopped posting to his, but since that time he has repeatly posted uncivil messages, at current count, seven times. Please intervene. —Hanuman Das 03:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• But you only stopped posting today. Give him a little time, maybe. In the meantime, you can delete uncivil comments if you like. I'd bet he'll give up real soon. Herostratus 03:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You wonder that I am irritated at Hanuman Das? And that makes a complaint to you? He has put the following on my user page (which is still there and I will probably get blocked or something if I remove it):

It is suspected that this user may be a sock puppet, meat puppet or impersonator of Mattisse. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd) for evidence. See block log Notes for the suspect Notes for the accuser

And the following on my talk page:

--Sockpuppetry case--

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Hanuman Das 13:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Then he makes an administrative complaint you you about me because I get a little upset? What is going on? He has singled me out for some reason to harass. Why? I have never done anything to him and don't know why he has it in for me. I would like to complain about him and his behavior.

This Misplaced Pages is a rough place and not very nice to people who don't know all the ropes. Yes, I am beginning to feel hostile and not very friendly. No one has been friendly towards me here since day one. Timmy12 12:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Am I allowed to remove any of this abuse from my pages, or will this result in further accussations from Hanuman Das and attempts to get me discipled or banned? Timmy12 12:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. again. He also put this on my talk page some days ago so you see his harassment of me is ongoing:

-- Sockpuppetry --

Hello, Mattisse. Looks like I'll have to open another sockpuppetry case when I have time. Ciao. —Hanuman Das 13:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Please get him to lay off me and stop calling me names. Timmy12 12:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S.S. And this from my talk page earlier:

-- You again? --

Hello, Mattisse! -999 (Talk) 17:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is why I don't read my talk page. Everything is unfriendly and/or doesn't make sense. Calling someone Mattisse is a slur at Misplaced Pages I can see that.

Please get these people to lay off. Take a look at my talk page. I can't even read it. Are Hanuman Das and Hanuman Das sockpuppets? Timmy12 12:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I would advise all parties to cool it, and make no more sockpuppet accusations until there is available Checkuser evidence. In exchange, Timmy12, I'd recommend leaving no messages on Hanuman Das' page. The best solution to this dispute is for all parties to disengage. Captainktainer * Talk 17:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd)

See Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd); note that at least one univolved editor does not see a sockpuppet relationship. Please do not accuse people of being a sockpuppet unless you have substantial and credible evidence, prefereably in the form of a CheckUser. Guy 15:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I re-read the comments and you are quite right, I was not clear enough. My intention was to suggest in the strongest possible terms to those others posting here that one needs decent evidence to support allegations of sockpuppetry. In this case CheckUser shows that there is almost certainly no sockpuppetry.

By way of excuse, one of our recurrent problems right now is blocked users coming back with new accounts and resuming the behaviour for which they were blocked. This tends to erode our ] and make us (the admins) trigger happy. Mistakes do happen. They are only mistakes, honest errors made by ordinary folks trying to keep the project from being damaged by those with abusive intent, so let me apologise on behalf of the admin community but at the same time ask your understanding. As one of the highest ranked websites in the world we are now probably the top target for trolls, vandals, spammers, scammers and all other forms of lowlife. Guy 14:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing references

Please stop removing references to rosencomet.com. It is not a personal website, but a website of the organization that the articles are about. Thanks. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, they weren't. Please leave Rosencomet and his articles alone. You are engaging in harassment. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

They are not simply price lists. They are lists of performers who performed at each event, and serve as documentation of the performance. Removing references is not proper Misplaced Pages behavior. I assume you will be back tomorrow adding "fact" tags. Your behavior disgusts me. Phew! Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

yawn... Ekajati (yakity-yak) 18:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)