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Revision as of 09:09, 13 October 2006

Advice on royalty pages: Misplaced Pages follows a strict formula for royal pages, in terms of content, layout and naming. The basic rules are:

• All monarchs and royal families are named using their highest ranking title; for example, King Edward VIII, not the Duke of Windsor.
• Styles are not used in articles; instead, a style box is always used.
• The image goes on the top-right hand side of all pages.
• For past monarchs and their children, the royal house template is used.
• For current monarchs and their descendants, the royal family template is used.
• Both templates are never used together.
• Because many articles are quite small, with the text sometimes smaller than one template, the royal house template for both houses is not used. Instead only the template of the senior parent (ie, whichever was the monarch, not the consort) is used.
• A royal consort has the template of the royal family they marry into, not of the family they were born into, on their page. However once they die, their birth family template replaces the marital royal family template.

  With thousands of articles on royalty, and hundreds of contributors to them, the same standard format needs to be used across each article. Any inadvertent content, layout or naming that does not match that format is deleted to restore the article to the agreed format. For full details on royal naming rules, see Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (names and titles).

  Any changes that do not follow the Naming Conventions are automatically reverted on sight. FearÉIREANN\ 23:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologise. But so much stuff that broke the MoS and NC rules had been added in that I had to revert to the last page compliant with the MoS and NC. That is standard, unfortunately, when so much POV and MoS-breaking stuff is added. Please do add in information. Just be careful to source it and write it in an NPOV way. WP's job is neither to be pro- or anti- Leka, republicans or monarchists. Edits that appear to push one side fall foul of NPOV. FearÉIREANN\ 19:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Vittorio Emanuele - Crown Prince?

I disagree with how you have interpreted the guidelines above on this page, please see Talk:Vittorio_Emanuele,_Prince_of_Naples and respond there if wish to progress this. Also, I don't know where the guidelines above come from and whether they are valid and binding (as far as any rule or guideline on Misplaced Pages can be binding, that is). --SandyDancer 13:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you look here...Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (names and titles).? You will find it supports what I have said.--Couter-revolutionary 13:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can see, those guidelines simply don't support what you have said. Can you actually explain, specifically, how and where the guidelines support your view? --SandyDancer 14:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• Hi I just need your assistance on this issue can you be kind and revert the page content for the principal VE page and revert to the last content ( its because ive done it to many times , you know the 3rr rule , so please move ahead for me) thanks for your assistance --Netquantum 16:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I, on the other hand, would suggest that you shouldn't assist others in violating the 3RR. - Nunh-huh 17:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• you phoney you are the one who first came in because of someone's request. Sandydancer. this is no violation of wikipedia and has nothing to do with kosher , anyone can vote and call for voters--Netquantum 17:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"phoney"? See Misplaced Pages:No Personal Attacks --SandyDancer 17:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

You've mistated the facts. If your advice to Couter-revolutionary is that he re-do your indiscriminate removal of information, that's bad counsel. - Nunh-huh 17:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• its not bad counsel its just that eventually Counter revolutionary will and is undertsanding that the article was full of false facts and comments. please stop waisting our time with unnessesary comments and atitudes.--Netquantum 17:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'm afraid I was away and unable to contribute. I shall read through the rest of the article to see what the problems are, thanks goodness, however, he has now come to realise that VE should actually be referred to as Prince of Naples, or at least I think he has.--Couter-revolutionary 17:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me be totally clear - I don't agree he should be referred to as that, and you have not advanced any arguments to support your view that he should. I just don't see any point in arguing the point with you anymore on my own, and will wait for someone else to get involved. You are, I think, adopting a deliberate tactic of trying to confuse the issue by misrepresenting what I have written, and pretending to offer explanations for your view when in fact you are doing no such thing (i.e. you keep referring to the guidelines on royal naming conventions as if they support your argument, but refuse to demonstrate that they do, because you know your claim is false). --SandyDancer 17:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• not ist just that now I want to revert the article ( i am not the one to do it because ive done it a lot today and need thrid party opinion) , so what is your opinion and the revert so that we can move on with clear content and not carbidge populist false claims. --Netquantum 17:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Why do you keep obsessively (mis)using the word "populist"? You appear to simply want to obscure the issue by constantly referring to the same tired mantra, hoping it will shield the fact you have deleted half of an article to whitewash the past of the subject. --SandyDancer 17:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with you Netquantum.--Couter-revolutionary 17:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• please revert the article and bring it back to the clean content . thanks. the point is still the same most of the article is false. so i suggest cleaning. even if this man is unpopular, there is no reason on posting false reports on wikipedia.--Netquantum 17:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• Examples which support my viewpoint Sandydancer include Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece and Leka, Crown Prince of Albania.--Couter-revolutionary 18:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't convince me at all. If anything, those articles should be edited to reflect the fact that they aren't Crown Princes because the thrones they are claiming to be Crown Prince in respect of have both been abolished. I note on the Leka article you are one of the main contributors, by the way, so using that as an example is somewhat circular. It runs contrary to common sense and is extremely POV to refer to members of former royal families by titles they would hold but for the abolition. It is as if we are endorsing their claims. If these are merely "courtesy titles", recognised on royal circuits and by die-hard monarchists, they doesn't justify their inclusion when they have zero legal value. --SandyDancer 18:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with you Counter-revo. did you see my comments explaining the true historical fact in his Belgian passport it says : HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS PRINCIPE DI NAPOLI, DUCHI DI SAVOIA

I simply do not accept that in any country in the world the subject of the article is legally recognised as being royalty. The Belgian Government do not accept that Italy is still a monarchy. No country does. End of story.--SandyDancer 18:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Counter-revo. do you agree to revert the article to the previous page ...!--Netquantum 18:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• I have had a go at a clean-up of what I think is not NPOV, what do you think.--Couter-revolutionary 18:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• I have done a few clean up as well :)--Netquantum 18:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I don't agree that Vittorio Emanuele should be referred to as "Prince of Naples" as if that is settled fact - it is a nonsense to refer to him as such. However, it is clearly preferable to referring to him as "Crown Prince of Italy", which is considerably more ridiculous. Vittorio Emanuele no longer has any Italian royal or noble titles, as such titles were abolished under the Italian Constitution in 1946. I am just not willing to argue the point any more as another user has pointed out that doing so is an uphill struggle, and not one I am currently interested in undertaking. --SandyDancer 10:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I hope you are aware that User:Netquantum is stating that you agree with his deletion of sourced and unbiased material from the Vittorio Emanuele article. I cannot imagine you do in fact agree with this - your edits to the article were largely to do with naming conventions, but he is involving you in the broader dispute about whether the "controversies" section of the article should be blanked / NPOV tag placed on the article. --SandyDancer 12:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No, actually I've been here for the long haul so to speak. And you are quite a serious user. Frankly I don't care who you are either. An American created Misplaced Pages... and I am from Adelaide, Australia!!!!!. You will encounter James III again if you continue to write grammatically incorrect sentences in any articles pertaining to the Zogu dynasty... an area in which I have a great deal of knowledge (and NO, I don't want to argue with you over who knows more... I'm sure you have done your research). As for being a monarchist... you don't really give them a good name. -- James III