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	:I like the suggestion, but the question is where is theism defined as "belief in a God who is both transcendent and immanent." Because, if that is the definition of theism, than it would be pretty close to pantheism? Thanks, ] ] 18:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)		:I like the suggestion, but the question is where is theism defined as "belief in a God who is both transcendent and immanent." Because, if that is the definition of theism, than it would be pretty close to pantheism? Thanks, ] ] 18:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
	::My understanding of pantheism is that it defines God as the Cosmos (which would then preclude transcendence beyond the cosmos), where panentheism is closer to the understanding of God as both transcendent and imminent (i.e. fully present throughout the cosmos, but not the same substance as the Cosmos). Interestingly, the distinction between the two has parallels in the distinction between transubstantiation and consubstantiation (with regard to the Christian practice of Communion), and also reminds me of the distinction between homoousios (of the same substance) and homoiousios (of like substance) in the Christological debates of the 4th century.] (]) 10:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)		::My understanding of pantheism is that it defines God as the Cosmos (which would then preclude transcendence beyond the cosmos), where panentheism is closer to the understanding of God as both transcendent and imminent (i.e. fully present throughout the cosmos, but not the same substance as the Cosmos). Interestingly, the distinction between the two has parallels in the distinction between transubstantiation and consubstantiation (with regard to the Christian practice of Communion), and also reminds me of the distinction between homoousios (of the same substance) and homoiousios (of like substance) in the Christological debates of the 4th century.] (]) 10:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
			::: What about ] then, where the Creator has s formerly transcendent and presently immanent? ] (]) 04:12, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Making a distinction with deism

We need sources here for reducing theism to belief in gods who intervene in the world. Cudworth's definition, in drawing a line between atheists and theists, plainly puts deists in the latter camp, and he is a contemporary of the originators of the idea, in the place of its origin. It would be fair to record deistic objection to being categorized with other believers in gods, but (a) if this distinction is more or less universally observed, we need a source for that, and (b) in any case we need a source for the deist perspective; you cannot just say it on your own authority. Mangoe (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Does the term exclude pantheism and deism?

I feel pretty sure that I once read somewhere that as theism is belief in a God who is both transcendent and immanent, it would be taken to exclude both pantheism (which rejects the transcendence of God) and deism (which rejects the immanence of God). This could be more clearly formulated in the article. Vorbee (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I like the suggestion, but the question is where is theism defined as "belief in a God who is both transcendent and immanent." Because, if that is the definition of theism, than it would be pretty close to pantheism? Thanks, warshy 18:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

My understanding of pantheism is that it defines God as the Cosmos (which would then preclude transcendence beyond the cosmos), where panentheism is closer to the understanding of God as both transcendent and imminent (i.e. fully present throughout the cosmos, but not the same substance as the Cosmos). Interestingly, the distinction between the two has parallels in the distinction between transubstantiation and consubstantiation (with regard to the Christian practice of Communion), and also reminds me of the distinction between homoousios (of the same substance) and homoiousios (of like substance) in the Christological debates of the 4th century.The Famous Adventurer (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

What about Pandeism then, where the Creator has s formerly transcendent and presently immanent? Pandeist (talk) 04:12, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Wiping out all the links on the page?

IP Editor 142.160.131.202 wiped out all the see also links on this page. When I reverted he reverted it back pointing to WP:EMBED. I looked at WP:EMBED and I see no justification for wiping out all the links as he/she is doing it. We can discuss specific links that may not deserve to be on the page, but the wiping out of all links does not seem right to me? Thanks, warshy 19:33, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

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