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• (John Kenney | talk | contributions)

Statement of the dispute

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Description

John Kenney was involved in a revert war on the page in question - John Kenney then

• reverted the page to his preferred version
• locked the page (at 23:27, 4 Dec 2004)
• failed to put a protection notice on the page
• put an abusive summary in the protection log (at 23:27, 4 Dec 2004) AND at (23:26, 4 Dec 2004)

Powers misused

• Protection (log):

1. Historical reconstruction of the sort of person Jesus would be

Warning, the above page is protected in the form of a redirect, please check you are looking at the correct page. CheeseDreams 01:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Applicable policies

• Protection policy

1. John Kenney reverted the page to an edit war version he wanted as his POV
2. John Kenney protected this version of the page despite in the revert war
3. John Kenney failed to put a protection notice on the page despite locking it from editing

• No personal attacks

1. In the protection log summary, John Kenney refers to me as a troll
2. In the protection log summary, John Kenney calls for me to be banned.

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

(provide diffs and links)

1. Talk:Jesus in a cultural and historical background

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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1. CheeseDreams 01:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Response

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To respond point by point:

• Protection policy

1. John Kenney reverted the page to an edit war version he wanted as his POV

I reverted to the redirect version apparently supported by everyone except CheeseDreams, I will agree.

2. John Kenney protected this version of the page despite in the revert war

Indeed I did. It should not have been unprotected in the first place, and CheeseDreams took the opportunity of unprotection to move the page to an entirely ridiculous title.

3. John Kenney failed to put a protection notice on the page despite locking it from editing

Indeed I did - if one puts a protection notice on a redirect page, it does not redirect.

• No personal attacks

1. In the protection log summary, John Kenney refers to me as a troll

Indeed, because I fail to conceive of a definition of troll which excludes CheeseDreams

2. In the protection log summary, John Kenney calls for me to be banned.

Indeed, because I do not think she is contributing in good faith, and don't think that users whose principal purpose here is to get into disputes have any place here.

To speak more generally, I will admit that I probably did not behave within the letter of the law in protecting the page under consideration. If it is felt that I behaved inappropriately, I am happy to accept whatever discipline the community would feel it appropriate to impose. However, substantively, I think that the entire article in question is part of an attempt by CheeseDreams to hijack the Cultural and historical background of Jesus article. Further, I don't believe that CheeseDreams is a good faith contributor to the wikipedia. She has nothing but abuse for anyone who disagrees with her and is completely unamenable to any discussion or compromise. I had no desire for another worthless edit war over this ridiculousness, so I simply protected it again - it should never have been unprotected to begin with. john k 07:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

1. john k 07:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 09:10, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC). This RfC, and the others like it, is an abuse of the dispute resolution process and a waste of everyone's (including CheeseDreams') time.
3. Slrubenstein 18:30, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
4. ChrisO Agree entirely with Mackensen.

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