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I never had an account other than this snowlands.

I have an idea ...

Now archived by highly verbose editor on one of their own subpages. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
... let's not use rollback automated multi-edit reversion for indiscriminate bulk reversion removal of non-vandalism edits (e.g. this rollback reversal of 12 edits by ~6 editors spanning a period of 29 days with no explanation beyond a glib edit summary). Drmies, as I see you're an experienced editor who has committed to taking on a responsibility for exemplifying Misplaced Pages best practices (i.e. as you've been editing for a fair stretch and have been carrying an admin's mop for multiple years) I'll skip looking up and citing specific 'WP:ACRONYM' shortcuts and presume you're already aware of relevant policy-&-guidelines regarding the use of rollback forms of automated bulk reversion (and reversion in general) and simply chose not to follow such in the instance linked above. If I've presumed in error and you're not in fact aware of such p-&-g ... I suppose then my concern would shift to questions as to why someone such as yourself—who has chosen to accept expanded powers and responsibilities within the community—has not become better versed in the tools and practices associated with the role they've accepted. Thanks for your time and attention, --–A Fellow Editor– 12:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC) Hmm that's a lot of words. Do you wish to make an argument for the encyclopedic value of "Evergreen garnered national attention in 2017 for student protests that escalated to violent threats and public lawsuits" in the lead of an article, taking into account NOTNEWS and UNDUE and RECENTISM and the fact that the alt-right just eats this kind of stuff up? Drmies (talk) 15:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC) And while you're at it, you may not have noticed that this edit, by a helpful IP, removed a bunch of BS based on video posted on a questionable website, but failed to remove all of it and thus suggested that the remaining content was verified in this article, which it wasn't? I don't want to be "glib" about anything, and you simply may not have realized that particular problem, but in the meantime refrain from this kind of silly rhetoric. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC) Sigh ... I'm taking your preceding responses as an indication that you still haven't bothered to give each of the twelve edits individual consideration (even after your use of rollback as an indiscriminate bulk reversion tool has been called into question) ... 'Cause if you had so reexamined and considered, it ought to be blatantly obvious which I might have been personally inclined to object to (heck, even just looking at the individual edit listings in page history ought to bring such to light). Hint: It might be the ones whose removal breaks proper functioning of a redirect page. --–A Fellow Editor– 17:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC) Perhaps I can guess at your personal inclinations in any following responses? Drmies (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC) Still not willing to invest a bit of 'due diligence' even after having been called out, eh? Not even so far as to look through the segment of page history entries (usernames with timestamps and edit summaries) encompassed by your 12 edit rollback reversion? Hint #2: Which one(s) might be seen as encompassing my actions? C'mon, man, you're sharper than this; didn't expect to have to 'spoon feed' someone of your experience. --–A Fellow Editor– 18:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC) It's my recollection that Misplaced Pages's policies-&-guidelines suggest that bulk rollback reversion functions have primarily been put in place to deal with overt vandalism and that, wisely IMHO, p-&-g strongly discourages using bulk reversion tools as a shortcut-of-convenience to avoid putting forth effort that would otherwise be required of one to implement more considered changes—i.e. changes which make an attempt to retain the efforts of others in some manner. IIRC, WP p-&-g recommends editors avoid using automated reversion even for single, non-vandalism, edits – giving preference instead to manual adaptation when there's some part of another editor's offering that may be reasonably retained. Drmies, do you concur that this seems to be a fair summary of Misplaced Pages's stated best practices? Or do we now proceed to digging up 'WP:ACRONYM' links with quoted passages from policies, guidelines, and established essays to narrow it down further, one-way-or-the-other? --–A Fellow Editor– 18:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC) I think you should go clamor elsewhere, Fellow Editor; surely you have better things to do. Drmies (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC) Hi Drmies, I apologize for turning my preceding entry into an 'either or' proposition rather than letting it rest on a straightforward question. In hindsight, after a break, I can sense how such phrasing was likely to be unproductive and I've struck-out the bit that now seems gratuitous. ... While on phrasing, FWIW, might "I have an idea: let's use reliable sources." – placed on its own as a bulk reversion summary, without talkpage elaboration – have possibly conveyed an impression of tone reflected in the tack upon which I arrived here to your page (it came off to me as kinda' snarky and 'superior' when I encountered it)? Something to consider perhaps ... Anyway, moving on, regarding: It's my recollection that Misplaced Pages's policies-&-guidelines suggest that bulk rollback reversion functions have primarily been put in place to deal with overt vandalism and that, wisely IMHO, p-&-g strongly discourages using bulk reversion tools as a shortcut-of-convenience to avoid putting forth effort that would otherwise be required of one to implement more considered changes—i.e. changes which make an attempt to retain the efforts of others in some manner. IIRC, WP p-&-g recommends editors avoid using automated reversion even for single, non-vandalism, edits – giving preference instead to manual adaptation when there's some part of another editor's offering that may be reasonably retained. I really am interested in receiving your impression of my preceding 'best practices' summation. Off-the-cuff, do you concur? Do you feel I've made a fair/accurate summary of the en:Misplaced Pages community's stated position regarding reverts and rollback automated mass edit removal and suchlike relevant to the edit under discussion (de jure, if not de facto)? Or might you perhaps have some other contrasting impression you'd be willing to put forth for comparison? Where are you coming from, man? I confess to having arrived with some assumptions; however, I'm willing—and would appreciate the opportunity—to listen to you speak for yourself on this. --–A Fellow Editor– 21:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC) Hmm, perhaps as thoughtful considered and polite hasn't elicited a response let's try presenting the tenured gentry-man with his own words (I happened to scroll up after leaving my preceding inquiry) ... “The least you could do is … respond instead of … snark …“ “… Hint: if you up, cop to it. If you make needless edits that piss people off, people who have contributed significantly to the project, stop making them and apologize. Your responses … rude and hostile … OK … more pissy and condescending, but really, you could have gone up since then, not down. … “ — User:Drmies Thanks in advance for your time and attention, --–A Fellow Editor– 12:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC) References "User talk:Thewolfchild: Difference between revisions; Revision as of 04:16, 1 December 2017". en.wikipedia.org. WMF. Retrieved 7 December 2017. § sorry but: the point was that I asked you a question. … The least you could do is fucking respond instead of fucking snark … "User talk:Drmies: Difference between revisions; Revision as of 04:57, 1 December 2017". en.wikipedia.org. WMF. Retrieved 7 December 2017. *Well, I don't need your bullshit attitude … didn't want your bullshit … you never bothered … to apologize. It's your fuck-up, and your rude response … that brought me to your talk page. Hint: if you fuck up, cop to it. If you make needless edits that piss people off, people who have contributed significantly to the project, stop making them and apologize. Your responses are in fact rude and hostile--OK, your first one … was more pissy and condescending, but really, you could have gone up since then, not down. I've worked … for years, as have a bunch of others, and I don't understand what you think you were doing (you never answered anyway). … grrr … Man, you're like a dog with a bone here. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 12:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC) That is really nice formatting, but I'm afraid this goes way over my head, esp. since our coffee maker has been inoperable for almost a week now. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC) ~~~~ alack and alas how shall the vessel regard itself with mouth aplenty and no eyes to see ~~~~ ––A Fellow Editor– 00:57, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Yes, you certainly do have mouth aplenty, A Fellow Editor! Anyone can see that looking at this thread. Softlavender (talk) 01:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Yes Softlavender, I do. And FWIW, when I placed the illustrated poem I did notice that it offered me an opportunity to self-reflect as well. But regardless, thanks for drawing my attention back to it again. Perhaps yourself and others may find it useful at some point as well. ––A Fellow Editor– 12:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC) A Fellow Editor, Drmies didn't use rollback, which is a technical feature that rolls back all edits by one editor without leaving a real edit summary. He used Twinkle's reversion tool and left an edit summary that accurately described what he was doing. That is perfectly normal. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Just noting that it is still WP:ROLLBACK under the policy It is also possible to use rollback with an explanatory edit summary and that I don't think it should be used casually, but in this case it does appear unsourced changes were made. Some other things were also rollbacked like filling in bare refs, which is not ideal, but I think it is pretty normal that experienced editors will reach for rollback if they see a lot of changes, some of which are dubious/unsourced. Seraphim System 02:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC) That is a see also section for tools beside the standard rollback feature. The policy on using it only for vandalism only applies to the MediaWiki standard rollback permission/tool. Reversion using an edit summary does not count as "rollback" under the policy, and that is made clear by this sentence When in doubt, use another method of reversion and supply an edit summary to explain your reasoning. Reversion that includes an edit summary is covered by the edit warring policy, not the rollback policy. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC) (edit conflict) No, WP:ROLLBACK is specifically undo (revert) the last user's consecutive edits on a given page with a single mouse click. What Drmies did was use WP:TWINKLE to revert to a specific version of the article (while of course leaving an edit summary). Softlavender (talk) 02:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Well the policy says it is a rollback. Its not a "standard rollback" and Tony is correct, it can be used in situations other then clear vandalism. It doesn't implicate the policy in terms of standard rollback limitations, but other policies are in effect. Its misuse can be a proble, because it often undoes constructive edits along with problematic ones. The issue the editor is raising here seems to be that constructive edits were undone along with changes that are unsourced. To avoid this, I would simply suggest that in the future you make sure all edits are sourced, as many editors will justifiably rollback when they see unsourced changes. Seraphim System 03:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC) No, the "policy" does not "say" it is WP:ROLLBACK. Not sure what WP:POLICY you are talking about; you need to name and quote the "policy". I have already quoted to you exactly what WP:ROLLBACK specifically is. You seem to be confusing it with edit-summaried WP:TWINKLE reversions. Softlavender (talk) 03:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC) I did quote the policy above which in plain English says that rollbacks with edit summaries can be made using various tools and scripts. If this is incorrect, then the language in WP:ROLLBACK should be changed after a community discussion. However, in plain English, I don't see any problem with using the word rollback - you still have to be careful, but it will likely undo constructive changes and make discussion more difficult. If the rollback is likely to be challenged, it is a bad idea, because you will be asked to justify the reversion of constructive edits. Personally, I would not use it on a regular editor, unless the edits were really wild. You can do what you want, but if it is more likely to escalate a situation then build a consensus, its use is hard to justify. However, back to the matter at hand, if you are adding unsourced content you don't have a leg to stand on. Seraphim System 03:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC) There's been some discussion about the various indirect uses of rollback, and I am all for clarification: I've criticized plenty editors who (on Recent Changes Patrol) simply hit revert, without explanation. BTW I wasn't aware that I did it via Twinkle--I seem to remember that I used "restore previous version" before I installed Twinkle, but I could be wrong. Not that it matters much here. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Seraphim System, WP:ROLLBACK isn't a policy, it's an editing feature; and you did not quote anything relevant to Drmies' edit. Rollback, however it is done (either via rollback rights, Twinkle, or admin rights), is specifically "undo (revert) the last user's consecutive edits on a given page with a single mouse click" (emphasis mine). That is demonstrably not what Drmies did; he reverted to a prior version of the article (while providing an edit summary), and that did not violate any "policy". Softlavender (talk) 03:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC) There is a helpful tag which shows when rollback is used. For example, the "(Tag: Rollback)" in diff means rollback was used. By contrast, the diff in question did not use rollback and the edit summary "let's use reliable sources" happens to be an accurate summation of policy and a perfect reason to revert. Johnuniq (talk) 04:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you for explaining, I had not noticed that feature of Twinkle before but now I understand why it was not a rollback. Seraphim System 04:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Hopefully this adjustment will help clear away some semantic mire. Seems my colloquial use of the term "rollback" as a way to refer to a class of methodologies and effects (i.e. as a synonym for 'automated bulk edit reversion', a restoration of a previous state) opened up room for confusion with a more narrow specific en:Misplaced Pages technical use of the term to refer to a specific Wikimedia software tool (and its use). Sorry 'bout that y'all, ––A Fellow Editor– 12:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Subsection break to ease thread navigation User:A Fellow Editor, thank you for your comments. Please don't make anymore on this talk page, unless it is to summon me to a dramah board. Drmies (talk) 15:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

You're getting a rap sheet a mile long. Softlavender (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• I know. It's very exciting. Did you see the Nazi troll I blocked? The encyclopedia that everyone can vandalize. Drmies (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible paid editing at Yoshiki (musician)

Hi again Drmies and Drmies talk page stalkers/watchers. I am wondering if someone might take a look at User talk:Gibmul#Paid editing, etc. Gimbul has stated he/she is being paid to update Yoshiki (musician). The editor is also working on a number of other sandbox drafts, but it's not clear if he/she is being paid for those as well. Then, there's also this edit to Silent Siren which is a pretty major addition to the article and seems rather promotional. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

• "Rather promotional" is a very diplomatic statement on your part: I don't have that skill, haha--it's poorly referenced bio-fan-fluff... Drmies (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
• The Yoshiki article needs a lot of pruning as well. PAID operates on good faith. If you think it's not working here, please post at COIN, I guess? I have doubts about the notability of Alex Cubis as well, though there is disclosure there... Drmies (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for taking a look. For reference, I've started WP:COIN#Paid editing by User:Gibmul. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Was wondering if you'd mind taking a look at this? Gibmul seems to be doing things backward by making major revisions to articles and then "proposing" the edit on the talk page asking others what they think, instead of vice versa. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Since you and I both see problems they shouldn't be editing the article directly, it seems to me. Sorry, I also removed your tags. I strongly object to the phrasing in the lead, as I noted in an earlier edit summary. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
      • Don't worry about removing the COI tag. I was reluctant to do a full revert myself because I have been (apparently unsuccessfully) trying to engage this editor on their user talk and didn't want it to seem like a WP:BITEy knee-jerk reaction on my part; so, I added the tag to bring it to the attention of others. Anyway, I've made another attempt to try and explain things on the article's talk page, so maybe they will decide to use the talk page first from here on to discuss their proposed changes instead of simply declaring they've been made. I am also not sure how much a paid editor needs to disclose about their employer. Can they simply just say "Paid by Yoshiki's agent" or do they need to be more specific than that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
        • I saw that "agent" bit--and I think I saw a template that hadn't been completely filled out, parameters missing, but I don't remember where. I'll be honest, I don't know how much disclosure we require--I think we don't ask for the bill, but I would think we'd like to know who's paying. Jytdog, is "paid by agent" enough? Drmies (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
          • Better than nothing, but not really enough, no. It is hard when people are half-good citizens. I will try talking with them if you like... Jytdog (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
            • Dog, look at you: talking with them! ;) Drmies (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
              • better than barking at them? Jytdog (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
                • You know it. Barking is about all I do these days... Thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
                  • Thanks Jytdog. I will say Gibmul is pretty prolific for someone who claims they just sometimes do paid editing. Sandbox #8 in less than a month. Maybe I’m too critical when it comes to this kind of thing, but I am a bit leery of those who state “there are so many people out there who warrant a Misplaced Pages article but don’t know how to get it online” because it kind of indicates a misunderstanding of WP:N and WP:42. It also sounds like a sale’s pitch to a customer who might not fully understand that they are paying for something that they will not own, they can’t use as they please and they can never be sure won’t be deleted or vandalized someday. Personally, I think they’d be better off spending their money on something else. — Marchjuly (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Marchjuly, I think you and I can do better than that windows insert sandbox (help me out--I can't seem to find the right phrasing), and maybe we can make some money on the side. Some more money, haha. You hear that, Amit? I'm rolling in cash these days. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

184.0.142.164 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I see you've visited this person's talk before and you told him you'd cautioned another editor not to call him a troll. Per NOT SUICIDE, I find there is no other term to use. I've had enough of cleaning up his incredibly trivial and useless additions. I sure don't see any useful edits. Any chance you'd swing the mop? I just reverted again an addition of some trivial comparison he added at Charleston, West Virginia for at least the third time. I've also reverted similar additions at Annapolis, Maryland and numerous other editors have reverted equally trivial crap from numerous state articles. Enough is enough. I don't know or care whether we're looking at NOTTHERAPY, CIR or just NOTHERE, but this person is becoming a serious drain on community resources. John from Idegon (talk) 05:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• John, I haven't looked at this yet, but I typically employ "please don't call them a troll" to invoke AGF and to not let editors get carried away and thus fall into personal attack territory. As you hinted, AGF is not a suicide pact, and if you have no other words for such an editor, you simply don't have other words. I'll have a look. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oh, that editor. Yes, I tried and looked at their edits in a charitable light; I wasn't really disagreeing with the substance of 331dot's and other's edits. I thought progress was made but I guess not... Drmies (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
• OK, yes. BTW you saw I had blocked them before, right? I don't think I was aware that Oshwah had given them a month-long block afterward. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey hi howdy, Doc. The overwhelming love and respect you command around here amazes me. I seriously don't know how you do it. The "schlong" kiddies were enough to make me consider giving up, but I thought better of it. I really think you should make a user box for "Misplaced Pages Bitch" and add it to your user page. When the foolishness around this joint starts to get to me, all I have to do is look at your talk (or Oshwah's) and I feel much better. Hope you and the misses have a very wonderful Christmas, and thanks for relieving me from the duty of having to remove "Indianapolis has the highest number of hookers while having the least organ grinders of any US state capital". You're a prince (bitch). :). John from Idegon (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Ha, I'm going to take a shot of bourbon with that, if that is the properly bitchy thing to do. I'm afraid there was little hope for the IP editor at this time. You, I think, edit a lot of those geographical articles and I'm sure you're keeping an eye out for any possible socking. BTW fun fact, Grinder Organ will play in the White Rabbit in Indianapolis on Jan 10. The Indianapolis Museum of Art has a fine etching of an organ grinder after Ludwig Knaus. And you know, of course, that the Paramount Music Palace in Indianapolis had a "Mighty Wurlitzer". I don't know about the hookers: I think Judge Moore got the state of Alabama to filter out such internet searches. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

A third party endorsement of Jaishankar's founding of Cyber Criminology - reg

Drmies, Now a third party subscription and endorsement of jaishankar's founding of Cyber Criminology is available at http://ci2a.us/services/cyber-crime-investigations/ Is it fine to include that he is the founder of Cyber Criminology at https://en.wikipedia.org/Karuppannan_Jaishankar

• Phew, that's a weight off my shoulders. Drmies (talk) 15:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Joseph page

I don't need to be above your status. I figured why my post was deleted and Misplaced Pages confirmed my belief. I understand no references. I've looked since the TCM promo and there isn't one so far. I've thought about emailing TCM and the band. Or what else can be done? Some way that mention should be on their page. They didn't perform but still. Personally I feel I knew knew them before they were made famous by Fallon. And I know I'm bad at grammar.Jschantz86 (talk) 23:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)Jschantz86 (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Jschantz86 (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI

Sigh. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 11:00, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Jimbo-talk about you

Since you have been no-pinged there and not alerted, FYI User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Beyond_reproach? seems to be about you. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: See above. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 00:14, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, lovely. Didn't see that. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Yesterday (a couple of hours ago) I found a tiny little snow man at a local bar. Maybe it will cheer you up. It worked for me. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

• What can I say. Over there in Barrytown they do things very strange. At least they found time to edit an article also, with some fancy needlepoint. I wish I could do smart things like that, but when I had computer education in high school we filled out stacks of single-command bubble card to construct some sort of basic code. You know, with all the money I get FROM INTEL FOR THAT EDITING OF THEIR ARTICLES ABOUT MYSTERIOUS CRYSTALS I could take a class, I suppose Drmies (talk) 16:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
• That is a funny snowman--thank you! Drmies (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

All my computer training was done on a PDP-11 at uni, in the seventies. Just sayin. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 16:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

• • Did you sit in the classroom filling out bubble sheets that were sent off to some center somewhere and came back two weeks later with a big red mark cause you made a tiny error in one of the bubbles on one of the sheets? I think I got one thing to run correctly--it probably added 1 to 2 or something like that. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

{{talk page oligarch}} Oi Drmies, 'give me some of your filthy lucre and then

>20 GOTO 10

>SerialNumber54129 17:38, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I got the "speculaas" part, but the rest of your message is just too complex for processing. Did you actually use a #2 pencil? Drmies (talk) 17:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

He wants you to give him money, and to keep repeating that action. In BASIC "10 GOTO 10" is an infinite loop (yes we used line numbers in those days while programming. Don't ask me why). My computer training was me sitting in my moms basement banging my head against the wall until I understood XSLT and achieved enlightenment. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

...and I didn't even mention spicy biscuits!!! >SerialNumber54129 18:26, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The Dutch committed genocide in order to have spicy biscuits. We take our speculaas very seriously. If we see the word "speculates" then our mouths start to water. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Beware of scallops--das nasty!

Must admit...having one's intestines embedded in one's gonad is a pretty shitty deal, but having eyes all around your body makes up for it. 19:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:A Fellow Editor/Archive/Drmies talk, December 2017

I created this with Twinkle, so not sure if it pinged you as I intended.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Well this is interesting. Pinging Bbb23 too since Drmies can't speak ... er, type, for himself. Softlavender (talk) 08:37, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Softlavender: Very thoughtful of you I'm sure, but if I'm going to watch reruns, I prefer shows like I Love Lucy and The Dick Van Dyke Show.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oh poor User:Premeditated Chaos... they got dragged into this as well... Drmies (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

• All in a day's work for the glory of the cabal, ya know? How long until the gold-plated mop arrives at my house again? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Lazy Drmies will be shirking any and all on-wiki duties until next week (this is real)

Hey all, Drmies contacted me to say that he fell off his horse while going to the polls in Alabama yesterday, and has now decided to take some time off to spend with the ostrich on his userpage. </joke>

More seriously, Drmies has undergone surgery on his shoulder, and it turns out that such a procedure makes it just a bit difficult to type stuff. He's planning to be back on or around this coming Monday to resume his reign of tyranny. Ed  22:22, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh, no - we warned him to stay out of WalMart - his shoulder must've hit the floor first. A little time off should be good for him...as they say, time wounds all heels. Seriously, take care, Drmies. Don't push the healing process. 22:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I thought Drmies was discovered to be a big bag of pecans.--Mr Fink (talk) 22:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Really, take as much time off as you think you need. And let visions of little ArbCom' ers screaming in frustration dance in your head as you nod off to sleep. I don't think anything untoward is likely to happen in your absence, he said grinning evilly. John Carter (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

And talking of screaming ArbCom'ers, enjoy the sand, I say! Just rock out, why dontcha. - "Up sand creek without a ballot paper" 123 (talk) 23:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Rest and take it easy, Drmies, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

• Be well Doc! And don't eat Gulf scallops! (You heard it from me!) Softlavender (talk) 01:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
• Skiving again. Tsk. Jimbo should dock your pay for the month. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • He did... Drmies (talk) 22:16, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
    • You get paid? John Carter (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
      • Y'all should unionize. "International Brotherhood of Encyclopedic Janitors" has a nice ring to it. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:51, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
• Poor Drmies, get well soon. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
• Daily physical therapy, percocet, ice packs... I'm making progress. Look, I can type! Pity, though--I really enjoyed not reading email for a few days. Thanks to all of you, Drmies (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
• Ouch! Shoulder injuries are no fun, I can attest to that myself. Glad you are on the mend and get well soon. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Could be worse, NorthBySouth. I'm getting the other done in the spring. Hey, at least I have health insurance... Drmies (talk) 22:16, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
• I'm glad to see that your recovery is progressing. I hope you're completely better soon. All I got for my shoulder was a steroid injection. If you have any leftover Percoset®, you know where to send it.BTW, checking out your user page reminded me.... Have you seen the Samsung® ostrich commercial? This is so much more than the best commercial ever made. It's a beautiful, Oscar®-worthy short film. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM™ 00:04, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Ha, yes, I did see that--quite impressive. What a pleasure to see you again, Mandarax. Drmies (talk) 02:06, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 25

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Issue 25, October – November 2017

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Happy Saturnalia!

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:53, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks Ealdgyth! Very kind of you--same to you. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Wake me up when it’s over!

	Don’t Mix Your Meds
	Maxine says: ‘’Getting old is so hard at times. Yesterday I got Preparation H mixed up with Poli-Grip. Now, I talk like an asshole. ...but my gums don't itch.’’ Drmies, no matter how hard you try, you can’t hide Santa from the kids. They can see you’ve healed enough to be on the computer, and they know how Amazon works. 14:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

• Ew. Yeah, my arm works again--it was nice to pretend not to be able to read email... Drmies (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Payroll

Don't worry Drmies, apparently I'm on the payroll too. Oddly enough, the funds haven't made it to the bank account yet, but Reddit says so, so I must be corrupt. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

• Yep, that's how it goes. HR asked me if I took money. I said if I did, I wouldn't be working for this joint. (Yeah, he filed a complaint with my employer: the a-hole is taking harassment to a whole new level.) Drmies (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
• I wondered if you'd seen that, Tony Baloney :) Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, I am clearly on the payroll for a firm I've declined AfC drafts for, pruned biographies, and argued with over the meaning of the word advertisement. I just don't see why the wire hasn't come in yet.</sarcasm> Drmies, sorry you've had to deal with this shit :( know that I attempted to write you in on the secure poll, but for some reason it wouldn't let me. Perhaps that is all for the better given that they've taken this to real life. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it's pretty low. But it's just one guy, mouthing off, and even on Reddit he's getting laughed at (haven't looked at any recent threads). There's only one guy who's egging him on, that DarkenedKnight character--I forgot who he is, but it's another indef-blocked Wikipedian who can't seem to get a date. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to Blocking tools consultation

Hello,

The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team is inviting all Wikimedians to discuss new blocking tools and improvements to existing blocking tools in December 2017 for development work in early 2018.

We are specifically contacting you for your ideas because you are one of the top users of the blocking tool on en Misplaced Pages. We think that your comments will help us make better improvements. You can post to the discussion in the language that you are most comfortable expressing your ideas.

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If you have questions you can contact me on wiki or send an email to the Anti-Harassment Tools team.

For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 21:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

• Please let us know if you wish to opt-out of all massmessage mailings from the Anti-harassment tools team.
• User:SPoore (WMF), I am one of the top blockers? I don't know if that's an honor or not! Drmies (talk) 22:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

  Pooh, you're only #40 on the Billboard chart. I'm #14 and have more than twice as many blocks as you. How come I didn't get one of these notifications? --Bbb23 (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Tekno Miles

Hi. I noticed your edits on the above stated page. You added structure and neatness to the page, however you took out some valuable information. I will be adding some of them back, you can kindly check out the page later to lend your guidance, thanks Aghachi7 (talk) 08:01, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Aghachi7. My guess is that Drmies may be asleep at this time, so I will offer an answer which he is free to correct upon awakening. Any "valuable information" that you intend on "adding back" must be supported by a reference to a reliable source. Please do not add unreferenced content to the encyclopedia, since verifiability is a core content policy, and is not negotiable. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I have only made changes to a few countries' articles at this point

I have only made changes to a few countries' articles as of this post on your talk page, as you can probably see. Michihiro Yumoto Soga (talk) 01:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• OK. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Just wanted to wish you....

...a Happy Holiday season. Are you glad that your term on The Committee is coming to an end? Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:56, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey, just saw that you had surgery. I hope it all went well and you're happy with your recovery. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Shit, someone just brought me to EWN, so now it's gonna look like I posted here to pre-canvass you. Damn. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:34, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• You edit warring again? Tsk tsk. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Sigh...

insert eye rolling emoji here CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• Izno, thanks! Drmies (talk) 14:23, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

  I live to serve. --Izno (talk) 15:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Sad

Is there a procedure to deal with stuff like this? (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Closest procedure I know of is revdel and oversight. It is sad, but Misplaced Pages is not the place for them to seek help, and definitely not the place for them to post personal information. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Pretty much. It's not the case here, but if there were threats or other concerns of bodily harm then emergency should be emailed as well. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I had to do that once. That sucked. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Writ! (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

No problem, QP. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. :) psst: you gotta oversight this diff too Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:38, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

But I don't wanna! Primefac (talk) 18:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Here, to cheer us all up a bit (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you all. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Revdel Request

I reverted an unsourced edit listing the residence address of a BLP here. Would you be so kind as to revdel the edit by the IP? Many thanks and Vrolijk Kerstfeest! Geoff | 22:54, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The location mentioned -- described in the edit as an "area" -- is an entire market town with tens of thousands of other residents. Not that I know much about what needs to be revdeleted or not, but just thought I would mention it. MPS1992 (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• Sure, but this talk page isn't the best place to drop this kind of request--the walls have ears, you know... Drmies (talk) 00:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

No fancy template,

DrM, but just to wish you fijne kerstdagen en een pretige nieuwjaar 2018. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:46, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

• Haha, thanks, and you too!--we may well be tied today! It's still 69 in the living room, at 10PM. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

• We don't wish to know that :) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:10, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Drmies: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

• Winkelvi! That is very nice of you--thank you so much. All the best to you and yours. Drmies (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

A carrot for you!

	Happy New Year Drmies.
	They said make your own barnstar... All best wishes. SPECIFICO talk 17:08, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oh that is really cute. Thank you SPECIFICO. All the best to you and yours! Drmies (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

	Happy Holidays
	Wishing you a happy holiday season! Times flies and 2018 is around the corner. Thank you for your contributions. ~ K.e.coffman (talk) 00:26, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Explain

Hi. I noticed you reverted the edits I made on one "Tekno Miles" page. The edit contained citations which clearly the page (and especially that section of the article) needed because it was written boldly. Well guess what, after you deleted the citations, the "citation needed" tag has added back on the page. Kindly place back the citations Aghachi7 (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey @Aghachi7:, I think what's wanted is citations that are not download links. MPS1992 (talk) 01:53, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

PAID editing

There """""Appears"""""" to be a certain amount of paid editing going on. Do you have some time on hand to look through some articles? EU Business School for example, the history log need a critical eye, as well as the contribution of a one "AuditGuy". There are also some other articles I am a bit suspicious about. Ty Elektricity (talk) 02:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)