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| If anything, modern scholarship on Napoleon's Russian invasion tends more and more to debunk the myth of Napoleon falling to nature and not to the Russians. More and more Western historians these days are crediting the Russians with having waged a successful war of attrition against the French, harnessing geography, economic realities and nature to wear down an opponent that would otherwise have been invincible. It was Russian stamina, obstinacy in combat, generalship and martial prowess that made put Napoleon in a position where nature did the rest of the work. | If anything, modern scholarship on Napoleon's Russian invasion tends more and more to debunk the myth of Napoleon falling to nature and not to the Russians. More and more Western historians these days are crediting the Russians with having waged a successful war of attrition against the French, harnessing geography, economic realities and nature to wear down an opponent that would otherwise have been invincible. It was Russian stamina, obstinacy in combat, generalship and martial prowess that made put Napoleon in a position where nature did the rest of the work. | ||
| Here's an example of the latest scholarship on 1812...written by a world reknown |
Here's an example of the latest scholarship on 1812...written by a world reknown LSE professor: | ||
| Lieven, D. C. B. "Russia and the Defeat of Napoleon (1812-14)" | Lieven, D. C. B. "Russia and the Defeat of Napoleon (1812-14)" | ||
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Due to increasing level of stress involved in editing English Misplaced Pages, I will be gradually moving my activities to sister Wikimedia projects. I would not check my watchlist and may not respond quickly to your queries. The ghirlaphobes are allowed to have their fun for the time being.
Holy crap!Holy crap, you've contributed exponentially! I envy you! Good work. Aaрон Кинни (t) 06:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC) on leavingTake it from me who's been living here in the West for ten years. They look and sound more menacing than they are. If you can, please don't become angry. You can keep any article you like for yourself, but not on Misplaced Pages. They do it to prevent a hierarchy from springing up. I'm not telling you to be awash wtih joy when your article becomes edited, but it wouldn't hurt to take a filosofskaja perspektiva on the thing. --VKokielov 17:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
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Romanesque, Baroque...Quousque tandem, Ghirlandajo?Dear Ghirla... I think that there is a structural problem with our editions. I thank (again) your efforts and encourage you to continue with this project, I think that it is worthwhile. When I first heard about it, I felt so surprised and emotioned thinking in a free, universal Enciclopedia, at everybody´s hands, free and collaborative, I couldn´t resist to form part of it. I don´t know more of your leaving than the messages above, but think it twice. Now...I think part of the problem could be that we cannot think that the only valid point of view is ours. I know that you write a lot (A LOT) in this wikipedia, and it can be tiring to see that your editions are changed. If we change what we think is bad (or false, or incomplete...) somebody else can think that that was complete, or true or fine. THAT IS THE POINT FOR THE TALK PAGES. I say this for several editions and reversions you have just made because that was your point of view, without a simple word, as if you were tired of giving explanations to poor ignorants. Some of them have been already discussed, but now I find: 1- That the article you have made of Baroque Architecture is "untouchable": no word can be added or removed without a reversion. The only explanation is: "Garcilaso, please integrate your additions into Spanish Baroque and Spanish architecture; this article is just a brief overview; it cannot be endless)". Well, you may think that the article is perfect like that, but I think it is not. If it gives the only explanation of Churrigueresque as a superficial, decorative style for plain facades, the vission of the style is incomplete, and not "enciclopedian". After that briliant speech about facades, one can be mistaken. Not mentioning two important baroque spatial structures like Granada`s Charterhouse or Transparente from the Cathedral of Toledo is form my point of view, unwise for a general overview of the style. The same happens to the Madrid 17th century baroque. Who are you to decide about what is relevant or what is not more than other wikipedists? I told you once, and I implore again: Ask before deleting! 2-You didn´t even know about the existence of the First Romanesque and find yourself capable to decide WITHOUT discussing the fact, which is the correct name for the article. As you recognized, there are other wikipedian who know more about that subject. Some have participated in the discussion, and found that the best name for the article is First Romanesque. Please, please, ASK before deleting or moving, yours is not the only point of view in the world, and perhaps others have good documentation too, although their level of English could be worse. I again encourage you to continue with your valious apportations to this project, the only thing I want to transmit you is that listening and talking and improving a poor article is much better that the best of the editions if it is authoritarian, and collaterally, one could learn a lot!. Yours sincerely, До скорой встречи,Garcilaso 16:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Father ArsenyI was wanting to create a father arseny page but lack info. Please help. Thanks LoveMonkey 17:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
You are not to even think of leaving!I leave this site for five fucking minutes, and what do I return to? - Shock! I'm mortified you uncouth bastard Ghirla, you have used the "eff word" in public - what sort of dumb fucking bastard are you? Rude edit summaries too? - it's beyond belief - you should be flogged off the site while simultaneously being tarred and feathered. Well that all seems to have happened, so would you mind now returning so we can all get on with the project in hand, and in future remember some people have very middle class sensibilities and while you and I may periodically say to each other "your last edit was a load of fucking rubbish" some other people are of a little more delicate disposition. I'm glad to see Wetman has tried to talk common sense into you - (he could be forgiven, as the only gentleman on the site, for thinking he keeps some very strange company) - so come on get real and lets get on with it! Oh and if you are now seeing sense, could you please expand Alessio Tramello (no-one else, save Wetman, is likely to have the ability) as per request on my talk page as I have been skiving from a real life job to go and watch football, and now have to spend a few serious days in the real fucking world Giano | talk 20:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go. This is a big loss to the English Misplaced Pages. Good luck with the Russian language version. 172 | Talk 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC) What a Delightful ContributionWhat a delightful contribution, Giano. I'm sure Ghirla will reconsider his thoughts on leaving, especially since you actually left your real life job momentarily, to go and watch football. Dr. Dan 22:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Winter WarYour edit comment for undoing Kurt Leyman's edit on Winter War was "rvv", despite his edit comment and his entry on the Talk page. While I agree with your revision, I don't think Kurt's edit was vandalism. Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. See Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith for the guidelines on this. -- JHunterJ 15:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
TerminalsDon't we all just love Nixer. I could explain him for the zillionth time that what he does in plain rude, but technically he is not violating anything. As long as he doesn't, I just don't want to waste my time on one letter discrepancy, moving stuff back and forth. In this context, it doesn't make one iota of a difference. Unless his moves interfere with work of other editors (and please let me know if they do), I abstain.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC) Lvov familyThanks for the reply. I was in Aleksin and Popovka yesterday. I now know that the last 2 sentences in that little section I wrote on the estate were rubbish. The house burnt down before WW2 having been used as a Dom Kulturi since the revolution. Are there any problems other than that? I think it would be a good idea to have some reference to the L'vov family's estate in Popovka on their page. I belive they were only there from the mid 19th century until the revolution but I still think it's relevant. There are various memorials to Georgi Evgenevich in both Aleksin and Popovka. Thanks again. http://ru.wikipedia.org/АварцыCould you expand Caucasian Avars by translating above mentioned article? I would be very grateful. Regards, Luka Jačov 23:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't bother meAny time you revert without discussion I will be happy to re-revert you. Note that I did not re-revert Mikkalai's revert even though he made the exact same revert because he entered discussion on the talk page. --Ideogram 01:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Remember June 17th? Yes, that was when you had a row over the redirection/disambiguation page Oleg, had a row with Halibutt and supported me against a RUSSIAN user over Pyotr Leschenko. June 17th was also the day when Ideogram proposed to mediate between you and Suicup. The same day, he was at the village pump asking whether sending e-mails to other guys someone had a tiff with before proposing that person for RfC, would be considered canvassing for votes. (archive, so you'll have to search for "Ideogram") Three days later, he is at your talk page, threatening with ArbCom. When you take this off, he suggests an RfC on you at the Russo-Turkish War talk page. All of this within his first month at Misplaced Pages. And now the mediator is in a revert war with you over exactly the same matter! So, forget it, putting up a NPOV disputed tag over that section was the only thing to do.--Pan Gerwazy 12:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Manuel TolsáHi. That's not ridiculous at all, although I admit I should have cited a source for it. It's not my opinion, but an opinion expressed in several of my sources. (I'm not qualified to have an opinion on that question.) Here is one source: "It is one of the finest in America, and, according to Humboldt, second only to the statue of Marcus Aurelius in Rome." The original Humboldt quote is "M. Tolsa, professor of sculpture at Mexico, was even able to cast an equestrian statue of King Charles the Fourth; a work which, with the exception of the Marcus Aurelius at Rome, surpasses in beauty and purity of style everything which remains in this way in Europe." I actually toned that statement down somewhat to allow for the passage of time, for one thing. Both of the statues mentioned in the quote are used as illustrations in the Misplaced Pages article Equestrian statue. Here is a quote from Frances Calderón de la Barca's Life in Mexico:
My intention was to show the level of artistic achievement in Mexico at the time. I think that is an important point to make. I plan to put the direct quote from Humboldt in the article. I don't see how there could be any objection to that. But please let me know what you think. Rbraunwa 17:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC) Hi. I put the Humboldt quote in the article. Thanks for adding the other image, by the way. Rbraunwa 06:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC) DYK, again
Image:Falconet - Pygmalion & Galatee (1763).jpgActually I do not know when the photo was taken. What it would be your advice? (meladina 13:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC))
AvarsThanks anyway. Did you translate the Avarian Khanate from Russian Misplaced Pages too? Two new articles came from this who couldnt be more satisfied. Luka Jačov 16:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Congress of Berlin POV problemsWe seem to be unable to agree on what to leave here, as I've changed it several times now only to have you revert it. Since continuing as we've been is pointless and fruitless, let's see if we can come to some sort of agreement about what to put in. The official name of the city on the Bosphorus has not been Constantinople for several hundred years, since the Ottoman takeover in 1453. It seems like a better idea to me to list the then-official name of the city rather than a Western name, but I am not hard set on that. However, I have a problem with the phrase "Bulgaria and several Orthodox Slavic states were precluded from gaining independence after centuries of the Muslim Ottoman yoke." The whole sentence reads as being negatively biased against Muslims and Ottomans, and positively biased towards the Orthodox Slavs. The word "yoke" in particular has only negative meanings in this context. While some may have/do consider the Ottoman rule of the Balkans to be oppressive, it is not the place of a neutral encyclopedia to decide whether or not it was oppressive. And finally, just to set the record straight, I am neither Turkish nor Muslim, nor do I have any feelings one way or the other about Turks or Muslims. My changes have not been nationalist, rather they are simply an attempt to keep the article neutral. Considering the anti-Muslim Ottoman and pro-Orthodox Slavic nature of this phrase, however, I can't help but wonder if you may have some bias yourself? I don't mean that as an insult, just an observation. I sincerely hope we can work this problem out to both of our satisfaction. Please feel free to post any comments on my talk page as well. Tev 23:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Dafni redirectHi Ghirlandajo, You changed the redirect of Dafni from the disambiguation page to the monastery page, stating that it caused the article to be orphaned. I don't understand this, as there would still be tonnes of links to the monastery page, especially from the World Heritage template you recently changed to reflect the move. The point of a disambiguation page is for people who type a subject into the search box. Preferably, no article should link to a disambiguation page, but directly link to the desired article. So the argument of changing a redirect due to orphaning reasons shouldn't occur. The links that now link to the Dafni redirect (since the exclusion of the world heritage areas) are mostly trying to link to one the towns. I would like to change it back, but would rather wait for your reply. Thanks --liquidGhoul 11:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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OrenburgSchool project (or whatever that is) is back again, I would guess. I wonder if they are going to pillage articles on Russian cities every semester; it's getting quite tiring. I still have a backlog from previous occurences. I wish they at least answered any inquiries, but they never do, which is a pity. If we could show them how to do things right, they could be very useful. Anyway, I copyedited Orenburg, please feel free to review in case I missed anything.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC) AlexandrovWas it? I have nothing to look it up at this time. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC) DYK
SarirYou cited some academics in this article but it doesn't seem to show the source from which you pulled the information. Could you please add that while it's probably still fresh in your mind? gren グレン 07:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC) ДевятаевПривет! Как я выяснил, существует 2 статьи про одного моего земляка. Mikhail Devyatayev и Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev. Нельзя ли привлечь общественнось к разарботке одной и наиболее полной статьи :) Кстати, среди жителей Казани Девятаев считается "сомнительным героем", т.к. как рассказывают, немцы после его побега провели децимацию узников лагеря... зато куда большей его заслугой считается тоЮ, что он испытывал и водил первыые в мире суда на подводных крыльях ("Ракеты"). --Untifler 14:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Russo-Turkish War, 1710-1711I inserted "Russian Tsardom" (the term found in "Muscovy" intro) to avoid the "Muscovy" reference, which sounds stupid in reference to this time period. Could you please split the Muscovy article to make a good reference to a period of Russian history after "великое княжество Московское" and before Russian Empire? Is there a good English term? `'mikka (t) 18:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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что значит by no means typical stalinist?Это как?! Этот стиль - не только высотки в Москве. Такое здание не могло быть построено до революции, ни в эпоху конструктивизма, ни тем более во времена хрущёвок/брежневок. Это типичный стиль сталинского периода. Почему ты думаешь иначе? ----Ъыь <;sup>(mailbox) 11:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC) А это - тоже не сталинский стиль?! ----Ъыь 11:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank youThank you, Ghirlandajo for the explanation of the "peacock language". Now I really agree with you on that. And you really understand about styles of architecture. Drama of songs is when a poet becomes a playwriter and writes a play Juraune 11:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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Once again, thanks for the great article -- Samir धर्म 13:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC) Pella PalaceIt is not the first time I tell you this. You do not have any editorial control over the presentation or content of an article. This revert had no justification whatsoever. Circeus 15:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Invitation to join Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Eastern OrthodoxyHi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Misplaced Pages which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church. You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! —A.S. Damick 18:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC) re:Template:Hero CitiesI'm not sure what is the problem with inclusion. I can see a potential case for not having it at all (that the link is rather coincidental and not necessarily worthy of a navigational template, but I doubt that'll be enough for TFD), but as long as the template exists, I am not sure what arguments can be proposed against its inclusion in Moscow or Kiev. Is there some potential PoV issue that I'm not seeing? I can see one or two ways the template can be refactored, though. Right now, I'm not sure why it should take as wide a space as it does, and the split by countries does not seem to be so relevant. After all, it is their status as Hero Cities that is outlined in the emplate, not their exact location ({{Metros in FSU}}, to take a random example, has no such split). Besides, if I am not mitaken, they were all part of the same political entity at the time they were awarded. Circeus 14:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
KolaRe this. "Of which it is now considered a suburb" implies that there is an official definition of a "suburb" (there is none in Russia). It also suggests that Kola is currently subordinated to Murmansk or is even a part of it, but in reality it is not directly subordinated to either Murmansk or to Murmansk Oblast. It is a raion-level town, the administrative center of its own Kolsky Raion. The fact is that Kola is located in the vicinity of Murmansk, and that Murmansk and Kola residents probably view Kola as a "suburb", because Kola was Murmansk's sattelite for so long. That, however, is just a colloquial expression. I am not convinced that such wording is better for encyclopedic purposes than my version. If you have any suggestions as to how to improve wording without losing essential information, I am quite open to hearing them. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
"Incompetent" move back to Pik Lenina
RE:CongratsHey. I wouldn't speak too soon. The Poles are pretty tenacious, and doubtless will campaign vigorously or find some device to get it moved to a Polonocentric name. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I seem to have stumbled into a historical picture preferenceHi, I noticed your edit comments on the page for Nevsky Prospekt about the "superior" historical image that I replaced. I had not read the Nevsky Prospekt page prior to visiting today but was certainly surprised not to find a modern picture in place. I realized that I had a few, though they were certainly not the most stellar examples. I guess there's no reason to "orphan" one of the historical pictures, but I hope you aren't implying that there shouldn't be a picture there from the last hundred years! Maybe all three can be on there? (I only delinked the one because of the excess of pictures on the page!) If you have a better modern picture, that would also be fabulous. Let me know what you think InvictaHOG 16:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Ethnic slurGhirlandajo, I agree with you that there have been some problems from some members of the Polish Wikipedian community. However, I find this particular comment that you made about Poles being a type of "Holes", offensive . Could I please ask you to reconsider your words, and remove the comment? --Elonka 17:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Hi Ghirlandajo, you have been active since the above request was made, but I see no reply here or on Elonka's talk page. Please respond as soon as possible, see WP:AN/I#Ethnic_slur for more on this subject. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Svetlogorsk photosЗдравствуй Гирландайо! Хочу спросить - чем тебе так понравились зимнее фотки летнего курорта? :) Речь идет о Светлогорске. Если кому интересно, на статье уже есть ссылка на Wikimedia Commons где старые фотки и другие (кстати я туда свои помещу чтобы потом на Русской и других уикипедиях разместить). Еще вопрос - почему ревертал последний параграф? Moonshiner 23:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Yury Velten
Personal remarksThere is never a reason to make personal remarks about another editor, and nationality has nothing to do with editing. If you have a complaint about a specific editor's behavior, that's one thing, but there is no reason to refer to groups of editors by their nationality, as you did here. This is not the first time this has been a problem, see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/AndriyK#Ghirlandajo_warned and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Ghirlandajo. Thus, I am blocking you for 48 hours and warning you again to avoid personal remarks. Friday (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
S volkami zhit, po volchyi vyt. Protiv loma net priyoma esli net drugogo loma. Duraka rabota lyubit. Proletarii vseh stran soedinaites. Ili pan ili propal. Tolko blednolitsy mozhet tri raza nastupit na odni i te zhe grabli. That's all I can say in this respect. `'mikka (t) 22:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
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See also the discussion on my talkpage. dab (ᛏ) 16:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone tell me, or translate for me, the meaning (as a native speaker of English, I don't understand the remark), what the meaning of the phrase the Poles use us like holes is suppose to mean in English. It's seems pejorative on the surface, but I honestly don't understand its intent or what it is supposed to mean. Thanks, Dr. Dan 18:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
DYK reminderJust a friendly reminder to list DYK proposals at the bottom of the relevant date, rather than the top. BigHaz 22:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Alexander PalaceDear Ghirlandajo: It's Bob Atchison from the Alexander Palace Time Machine. I changed, corrected (we have redone many of the online books) and added some links on some of your pages that pertain to the Romanovs and the Alexander Palace, but you deleted them as spam. We have thousands of pages in our site - as you know - and Yahoo named it "Site of the Year" a few years back. Millions of people visit the site every year and our 20 online books are used by schools around the globe. Our discussion forum on Russian History has around 4,000 registered users and 200,000 postings in the 18 months. We are not trying to get more traffic via these links - we have lots already. I posted these from my IP - I didn't get an account until just now so that I could write you.
Rulers of Kievan Rus'You may be interested in this addition, about which purported knyaz I have never heard. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Possible Molobo returnIt is a problem that I cannot use checkuser, as the logs do not go back far enough. Molobo's last edit was so long ago that I get no results, and have nothing to compare the current IPs to (even at Molobo's own request). The IP editor in question, however, is clearly a sockpuppet of someone, and someone who's been in the thick of it before. Unfortunately, it's on many IPs, and so there's no easy solution. I suggest you go to WP:ANI and present the clear evidence that this is not a new user, but an abusive reincarnation of a probably banned user, and see if you can get some admins on his tail. Dmcdevit·t 17:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/WorkshopThank you for your supportive comments here They are appreciated. That Fred Bauder thinks I can be banned instead of Eternal Equinox has caused me to have a severe sense of humour failure. In retrospect, of course instead of making light of Eternal Equinox, I should have taken her very seriously - which is what she wanted - but frankly she and her edits on our talk pages were (at best) a joke - so one could either laugh or cry, and crying has never been my style. That Fred Bauder thinks Bishonen should be "cautioned" is, in short, disgusting. She seems to spend hours and hours trying to create harmony on the site, and takes her responsibilities as an admin 100 times more seriously then most of the others. I think the Arb-com now needs a huge kick, and to rid itself of insulting and incompetent buffoons. I expect I shall stick around Misplaced Pages, but at the moment mu entheusiasm for it is at an all time low. Sorry this is a (sort of) spammed message, but when I saw all of your comments for the first time this evening, I felt a quick response was necessary, but that makes it no less sincere. Thanks once again, it's nice to feel supported. Giano | talk 19:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC) DYK
Baku fire templehi Ghirla - I don't know anything about it, but it looks fairly referenced, and agreement seems to have been reached between editors, so I assume it's ok. The only way to be sure is to check the references yourself, of course. regards, dab (ᛏ) 22:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Pointless editsI was waiting for someone to point out. Hahahha. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
In (the) Bryansk OblastHah, I knew you'd ask! Anyway, first of all, Google is not our friend, it's just a tool that can easily be misused (any common typo would collect a respectable number of hits, for example). Second, your googlefight link is to "Bryansk region" vs. "the Bryansk region", which is not the same as Bryansk Oblast ("Bryansk region" can refer to any area around Bryansk, not necessarily to just the oblast). "Bryansk region" can easily take the definite article, when one speaks of a certain (i.e., previously defined) region around Bryansk. Third, look at this :) Fourth, the number of hits returned in both cases is too small to make an accurate judgement. Fifth, I actually happened to ask native speakers about what they think of this issue—you can find the discussion in my archives here—the bottom line is that while using the definite article before the name of a krai/oblast is not entirely incorrect, it sounds archaic. I ain't gonna argue with an English major on that :) And finally, the majority of articles utilizing the similar construct ("in X Oblast") do not use definite articles, so I removed the one in question partially for consistency sake. Hope this answers your questions.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Cheers!I thought that you may be interested: - - & BTW, like you I too had thought of leaving, but did not as we have miles to go! --Bhadani 17:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Novosil - town statusHi there Andrei! I got this info from the Russian Misplaced Pages. There's also a Мой Город encyclopedia (sort of), which says the same. If you know for sure you can prove otherwise, go ahead and change it, I'm all for it :). KNewman 18:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC) About your edits of Avarian SiteВы пишите по-английски на аварской странице, что "Шамхальство Тарковское съыграло выдающуюся роль в разгроме Надиршаха в местности Андала". Во-первых,не "Андала", а "Андалал", а во-вторых вы всё перепутали. Кумыки (тюркоязычный народ в Дагестане) были не только покорены Надиршахом, но выступили даже в качестве его союзников. что же касается Казикумухцев (кавказоязычных лакцев), то они первоначально попытались сопротивляться Надиршаху, однако были разбиты.Шамхал Сурхайхан сдался в плен. Егьо сын-Муртазаали сумел бежать с небольшим отрядом. Аварские вольные общества вместе с самым крупным вольным обществом- Андалал ('Andalal четыре дня (под трёхдневным проливным дождём) бились с Надиршахом. Никакой помощи от лакского Муртазаали не было. Он явился со своей конницей лишь на четвёртый день, когда исход битвы был уже решён.--80.237.35.135 22:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC) Dear GhirlaDear Ghirla, I'm truly sorry to bother you at your talk page, but if you don't mind to give me just a little moment, I would like to talk with you for a minute. I swear, it won't take long. I wish to thank you for taking the time to take part in my RfA. The fact that one of the greatest contributors Misplaced Pages can boast of having has noticed it, is in itself a flattery to me, and this I tell you from the heart. I must tell you, tho, that your words have left me very concerned. You express that promoting new admins is a threat to hard working editors. I am worried that you, or anyone, may think of me as I threat to your evidently great work. I'm not sure if you're speaking on a general basis, or just about me; the fact that you said this solely at my RfA seems to indicate the latter, which is why I'm concerned. Have I done something you consider wrong, or acted inappropriately, or did something that may lead you to think I could abuse the tools? I'm simply asking you this in order to improve, since I don't want you to change your opinion in the least - I've said at my RfA, and many times, that one should express what our heart really tells us, and that means your !vote should stay as it is. I'm only asking you this because of the concern that being distrusted causes me. Dear Ghirla, I'm sorry to bother you, I truly am. I just wish to make sure that you know you have nothing to fear from me - in fact, the only time that I recall we've ever interacted was when I agreed with a point you expressed once. I hold you in the highest respect, and I'd be extremely happy to talk with you if you wish more information on the matter. Warm regards, and До свидания, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 16:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Olgierd is polonized version of AlgirdasDear Girlandajo, I am lituanizing only Lithuanian names. Algirdas is one of them. Could you provide your arguments, why I am not rigth, stating, that Olgierd is polonised version of name Algirdas. Orionus 11:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry, Ghirlandajo. At the moment I really do not have enough competence to dispute with you Olgierd/Algirdas problem. If you are right, my apologies are here . Children RailroadYes, this stub as it stands now is quite funny. According to this website, although some of the CR became derelict, a lot of them are still functioning and operated by children, including the one in Yaroslavl. Also, interwiki there is wrong and should point here, not to a CR in Minsk. OK, I'll try to fix the article, although I don't know, whether I'll have a time to expand it. Cmapm 18:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Image tagging for Image:Monomakhcap.jpgThanks for uploading Image:Monomakhcap.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Misplaced Pages's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions. 11:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC) World War II controvercyDo you have time please to have a look on the World War II. There is some movement leading to Nazi apology end even saying Germany started the war some users call "bias against German people". Probably I need some support.--Nixer 09:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Battle of TarutinoHi. Thanx for the attention paid to my efforts. I was not able to find out the exact amount of Russian troops who participated in the battle. The original figure 22000 was a mistake and i deleted it. I found in От Тарутино до Малоярославца. К 190-летию Малоярославецкого сражения. / Сб. статей. – Калуга: «Золотая аллея», 2002 that the total amount in the Tarutino camp was 97000 but it does not mention how much did really participate in the assault. Probably you have better sources? Blacklake (Talk) 20:20 August 7 2006 (UTC) NavahradekYou should reconsider your wording, becase it's biased and not based on any facts (ureferenced, and cannot be refernced). it's not only Lithuanian historians who find first capital of GDL in Vilnius - but also, Polish, German, Belarusians. I'm preparing list of references. an dpleas, explain what does mean "traditionaly"?--Lokyz 07:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC) What's wrong with Gediminyds now? Asking for references is nationalistic trolling? Look to a WP:Style for a words to be avoided - it's obvious that "some sources" is not a proof neither reference, and merely an opinion. Any reference would help here. Also not mentioning hypothesis as a brother is neglecting research, and is also a POV.--Lokyz 11:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
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Novodevichy ConventHi, I noticed your two beautiful images of Novodevichy Convent. I have a less lovely picture, but one which is in the public domain. I was thinking I might replace one of the fair use pictures but thought you might have some feelings one way or the other (or even have a superb picture of your own!) InvictaHOG 02:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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Stalin PrizeThere exist category "Nobel Prize winners" and even "Heroes of Socialist Labour" why do you oppose the category "Stalin Prize winners"?--Nixer 17:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Georgian-Abkhaz conflictPlease list me the phrases you feel wrong and I will deal with them. I do agree the article is biased. Unfortunately I have no knowledge here. `'mikka (t) 18:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Nikita Khrushchev's estimates on Winter WarI reverted your edit because 1,000,000 is sourced here. Search with Khrushchev and you'll come up with "According to Khrushchev, 1.5 million men were sent to Finland and one million of them were killed. 1000 aircraft, 2300 tanks and armored cars and an enormous amount of other war.." That's a very high and unrealistic estimate but if that's true that Krushchev said that then it should be like that. Show a source that shows 270,000? I was not able not find. --Pudeo 19:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Slavic dragonMany sources in Polish. But check out this: Is it enough? Lajsikonik 23:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Igor, father of Svyatoslav?Hi there, Ghirlandajo. You seem knowledgeable in the area, so I'll ask you if Igor was the father of Svyatoslav. If so, then there should be a clear statement of this in Svyatoslav's article. --Jugbo 17:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC) DYK
Thanks Ghirla. Tweaked the tagline a bit, hope it's ok. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 23:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC) DYK redux
And another. Thanks kindly for your work at DYK! -- Samir धर्म 06:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC) BorodinoThis was your reply On January 16, 2006 when I suggested that the result should read "Marginal French victory:" "It's OK with me but I would like to know what other editors think." In your last edit, you spoke about "consensus," but no such thing exists among the editors involved. There are basically two camps: those who want to label it "indecisive" and those who want something like "Pyrrhic victory." There's no consensus; don't try to suggest there is.UberCryxic 15:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC) DYK
Vyborg vs. ViipuriI returned Finnish name to Vyborg at the time when it was refered officially in Finnish (in a similar manner it is still referred in it's Swedish form of Vyborg's Swedish era. It is used in the similar way as in the article of Byzantium/Constatinopolis/Istanbul or Tsaritsyn/Stalingrad/Volgograd, where the historic names are used when explaining their periods. In fact, I'm not satisfied how the history is presented currently, it gives too much space to the last century, and highlights it against previous centuries. Also, after the Winter War, the town was incorporated to Karelo-Finnish SSR and it retained it's Finnish name. Only after the Continuation War was the town (with Priozersk) incorporated to Leningrad Oblast. (BTW, should we also stop talking about the Siege of Leningrad and talk about the Siege of Saint Petersburg instead?) And I truly like to see more text about current Vyborg. --Whiskey 13:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
How busy are you?I was just re-reading Palladian architecture this evening, it realy does need a brief section on Russian Palladianism, that picture dumped at the bottom of the page looks all wrong - please write just a few words for a section on the subject - if you don't - I will, and it will be all wrong, and then all you Russians will pile in on it - so in the long run it will be more simple for you to do it in the first instance.........please? .........nice begging pretty please? Giano | talk 19:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Orlov trotterThe Khrenovsky stud is situated near the town of Bobrov in Voronezh oblast', not near Novomoskovsk in Tula oblast'. See here. Also thanks for the image and for the two DYK nominations. Probably you can find some more images for this article? Blacklake (Talk) 11:38 August 16 2006
ochen harashoand thank you for the honor. You seem to be well in control of your material, I will defer to you any decisions. Regards, Haiduc 11:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Do we?. Do we really require links in other languages? Thanks. --Bhadani 13:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC) DYK
Coordinates TemplateHello, I propose that we use Template:coor title dm instead of Template:CoorHeader for geographic coordinates of cities and towns. The latter one requires seconds, which are useless to indicate for large objects like towns. The seconds are normally omitted, which results in a treble apostrophe with the latter template.
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Unreferenced templateI'm sorry about my edits. I will stick the template on the talk pages. Thanks for pointing this out to me. -- Underneath-it-All 17:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC) Image:Tiziano Vecelli.jpg listed for deletionAn image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Tiziano Vecelli.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 22:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)GhirlaHi! Could you please support our request at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages (Belarusian - Orthography Revision of 1959). Thank you! -- 82.209.xx.xx 10:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look if you have timeThanks for standing up for the truth here: ] Apparantely this user does not desist and now claims Ossetic is not an Indo-European language! Please see Ossetic and its talk page. That is why I have complained against this user and ask you if you have time to also complain: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Barefact --Ali doostzadeh 01:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Crests of Vladimir, Yaroslav and others rulers of RusIf you dont belive that members of the Ruriks family, pat. Svyatoslav, Volodymer and Yaroslav, had been using "trident"-like symbols as personal crests on coins and seals, you should look through e-net pages (even russian pages http://russianchange.narod.ru/ or http://geraldika.ru/) about the early "heraldry" or Rus. The Rurikids used "trident" not because they were Ukrainian nationalists, but because it was their family symbol. Regards--133.41.4.47 13:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC) "Trydent" of Vladimir (Volodymer) and CoIf you dont belive that members of the Ruriks family, pat. Svyatoslav, Volodymer and Yaroslav, had been using "trident"-like symbols as personal crests on coins and seals, you should look through e-net pages (even russian pages http://russianchange.narod.ru/ or http://geraldika.ru/ or http://www.gerb.bel.ru/pages/russia/retro.htm) about the early "heraldry" or Rus. The Rurikids used "trident" not because they were Ukrainian nationalists, but because it was their family symbol. Regards--133.41.4.47 13:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Please take a lookAnother OR by the same user: http://en.wikipedia.org/Masguts --alidoostzadeh 09:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Welcome back!When you've unpacked, take a look at Château de Maisons, which is just a translation of French Misplaced Pages. --Wetman 07:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Thank you for welcomeThanks for the welcome note. Have actually been here for sometime, but only recently configuring this username. Nice to have your note! —Antonios Aigyptos 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC) On Andrea Del SartoJust a comment. On Andrea del Sarto you stated that wikipedia entries should not be "Critical assessment and legacy - WP is not image gallery; you can't list all of Sarto's paintings here)" . I disagree in part. I think an entry can list all of painters works or if not, in the future such an entry can be made into its own category. I would not want an entry to have all his images, but references to these is often a useful resource for someone to have. I thinks we need to set a balance here also, some modern artists have thousands of artworks, for them such as list would be impractical, but for most of the artists from the Renaissance, at most some of them have a hundred or so works worthy of recollection. I would vote for allowing such lists or if not, rather than deleting them, making them a linked category. Thanks. Re: your edit to VilniusBefore accusing anybody, first please investigate. Note the date when it was written. Renata 11:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC) Ghirla, explain this statement made by you, you are accusing me with something? M.K. 19:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC) Please tone it downHi, Cowman109 has alerted me to the following cases of gross incivility and what appear to be trolling or deliberately inflammatory comments: I hope you'll agree that we cannot improve Misplaced Pages by encouraging that kind of warfare and personal attacks. Please tone it down. --Tony Sidaway 15:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Gross abuse of admin tools by User:Tony Sidaway against a wikipedian with about 50,000 edits. Tony Sidaway is involved into a dispute with me over the results of Carnildo's failed RfA. --Ghirla 15:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Not today. It is already dark here in Russia. I have always known Mr. Sidaway for a bully and his latest escapade strengthened my negative opinion of him. Neither of my comments was "trolling" or "deliberately inflammatory". I just pointed out that Carnildo's case is a perfect example of how Misplaced Pages works nowadays. Mr. Sidaway has been known to profess that he regards RfA as "beauty pageants" and would like admins to be appointed by a Monarch and his coterie (which consists of five to six persons, you know). That's the direction that Misplaced Pages has been taking last months. Carnildo's case only exposed the general trend. I prefer a more democratic approach of the German Misplaced Pages; and my block is a result of my criticism. It reminds me old Soviet days. --Ghirla 16:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Arbitration caseHello, there. This is a note to inform you that there is an arbitration case concerning you at WP:RFAR#Ghirlandajo. Thank you. Cowman109 16:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC) Kudos for Russo-Polish War (1654-1667)For what's it worth to you, I think that's a good article. In writing such new articles is were your streght lies. Keep up such good job.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Хорошее утро (I know that's wrong)I concur with this edit of yours here . I, however, have given into the pressure from your mate and altered my banner, anything for a quiet life. When it is too late people here will wake up and realise Misplaced Pages is just a collection of rules and regulations that nobody follows because there is no-one left actually writing the thing. This project could be the best thing in the world, if people would just get down and write it. Anyway you have my support - good luck with the arb-com thing. I'm flabbergasted no-one was brave enough to unblock you yesterday. It is getting very sinister here indeed. Giano | talk 09:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
PraiseI've just come across your work and have been browsing through learning a lot about Russia! Thanks very much for your articles, which have really improved Misplaced Pages's coverage in this area. 86.136.92.2 14:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC) TsarHi, could you please explain which of my edits to Tsar you consider to be OR? And, for that matter, how "my version" is substantially different from yours, except for a slight change of the order of statements? --194.145.161.227 20:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC) And BTW, my condolences for the unreasonable warning and unjust block by Tony Sidaway. --194.145.161.227 20:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
RFAWell, I did notice you had forgotten about your contact with the proposer, so I started on a little piece, but it got longer and longer. In retrospect, I should have said earlier that Piotrus was only chosen because they could not find anybody else, perhaps Bishonen could have taken that on too when he invited the proposer to withdraw it. I am sorry about this because in any case it means you (and Giano) will have less time to really work on Misplaced Pages - as for me, I am on a learning curve which does not go so steeply up as Ideogram. The age, I suppose. As for the dwarf remark, oh, I do not know, I have a job and five kids, so any time here is really stolen from them and my wife. Da, idu spat'. Spokoynoy nochi. --Pan Gerwazy 22:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC) FYIPlease see Talk:Sukhumi. :( —Khoikhoi 17:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
Nice nom! --Srikeit 18:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Early conceptions of the Channel TunnelI've already sussed one bogus duke from the above page (see talk) now it's your department, was there a Duc de Lille in 1702? - I can't find any evidence of one but it is not my subject. I have a feeling half this article is a hoax, but I'm not sure. You know this sort of thing, can you have a look. I know for sure there was a mid 19th century attempt to dig a tunnel which failed, and Naopoleon thought about a tunnel, bit I think that is it, the rest of the page I suspect is a load of bolox, what say you. Giano | talk 19:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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We appreciate all your hard work at DYK and elsewhere in the encyclopedia. Don't let others get you down -- Samir धर्म 05:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Pochayiv LavraI saw you originally wrote this page, some major aspects have been changed since you wrote it, but I don't have sources to check for their acuraccy, maybe you can take a look.--Milicz 15:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Please trim your statement on Requests for arbitrationThank you for making a statement in an Arbitration application on Requests for arbitration. We ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Please trim your statement. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence. Neat, concisely presented statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the arbitrators. For the Arbitration Committee. -- Drini 18:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC) RfAHi Ghirlandajo,
Thanks for your support! – but cautious...? Did I unwittingly ignore you at some point ("I felt able to say hello...") but, per the smiley, you (thankfully!) don't hold it against me...? If so, my apologies and assurances that it was unintentional. If not, sorry to misunderstand; please enlighten...
St. Michael's Golden-Domed MonasteryHi Ghirla. Sorry about that. I thought that you saw the nomination that I had posted on the Ukrainian announcement board. Or do you not check there? But thanks for your great work on the article, which helped a lot in getting the article to featured status. Thanks again, —dima/s-ko/ 20:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
The Kwen Kven Queen Kwene arbitration caseI did not know which title to give this, so I addressed it to you. Hope you do not mind. Have a nice holiday. Er, I mean that. --Pan Gerwazy 09:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
your request, and WP in generalhi Ghirla -- I am myself on a wikibreak, compared to my usual wikitime anyway, right now I'm just looking at my talkpage and doing the odd minor edit. I've also been away and coming back to a pile of work so that I really do not have the leisure to address complicated issues on Misplaced Pages. For this reason, I do not have the capacity to deal with subjects I am not intimately familiar with, such as Mongol invasion of Rus, sorry. I see, however, that you are yourself being given a rather hard time at the moment, with some rather opaque RfAr (not that I had enough time to look at that either...). I'd just like to assure you of my support, both moral and practical, should you require it. Regarding cases of bad blood that turn Misplaced Pages sour for us, I'd just like to remind you to take a step back before you get worked up enough to walk away from the whole project in anger -- as you know, I have myself ample experience with the smelly underbelly of Misplaced Pages: I took it upon myself to deal with a number of obnoxious cases, as a service to the project, in order to make the point that "Misplaced Pages works" and even persistent dishonest practices will not prevail. But it would be a mistake to over-exert oneself in this area, because these are very thankless efforts. If you feel harassed by the bad blood over a certain topic enough to think about quitting, remember the satisfaction to be got out of building articles on more obscure topics and walk away from the bogged down dispute to enjoy the clear air of virgin articles on minor rulers, obscure birds or forgotten folk-songs (or whatever may catch your fancy). regards, dab (ᛏ) 21:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Illegitimi non carborundum. (I am fine one to talk, though.) If you need a break, please take one, but please come back: you write such interesting articles. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC) You seem like a reasonable person . . .. . . and as they say, "if you want something done, ask a busy person." Would you please take a moment and take a look at the Lion article and see if what is going on there is as it should be? I will not sign, so as to not seem to want to sway the discussion. 23:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC) Fire of Moscow (1547)Am I allowed to put http://www.sgu.ru/rus_hist/img/x1-VMosk.jpg.jpg on the Fire of Moscow (1547) page? The author died 350+ years ago and this image doesn't appear to be copyrighted. Can you please double check on that for me. --Ineffable3000 11:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC) Tsarskoye Selo/PushkinHi, Ghirla! I would appreciate your comment regarding the recent move resulting in this and this. While it's obvious these new titles are a no-go, perhaps it's possible to re-organize and re-shuffle some sections to avoid confusion in future. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC) Well, I used to think that the Pushkin (town)/Tsarskoye Selo separation was already sufficiently cross-referenced, but apparently I was wrong. My suggestion would be to further improve the cross-reference. Perhaps if we put a dablink at the top of Tsarskoye Selo directing the readers to Pushkin (town) "for the article on the modern town", and then place a (very brief) History section in Pushkin (town) with the "{{Main|...}} link leading to Tsarskoye Selo, that would make things more obvious. What would you say to that?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC) Vladimir on the KlyazmaWhile I can readily believe that Vladimir patriots may have spouted all sorts of nonsense about the city's founding, I respectfully suggest that you look at the reference I inserted before you assume that you yourself know everything about the founding. To put it simply, Karamzin said that it was Monomakh and almost everyone has thought so ever since. Karamzin was a fine historian (better than many scholars realize), but we all make mistakes and the evidence for Monomakh's founding is really quite weak. For details (and they are many and complex) see my reference. Your own entry contains no references (even to the Vladimir patriots, who deserve to be cited no matter how silly they are, or else not mentioned at all) and is certainly not verifiable in any sense. -- Eesl Yakov Polonsky
As always, many thanks Ghirla -- Samir धर्म 17:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC) LeadershipMight I inquire as to how I've disappointed you? We haven't really interacted much, so I'm not quite sure what your concerns are. Kirill Lokshin 15:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Battle of KrasnoiGhirla: I see you've been editing my Battle of Krasnoi article...you added Hess's famous painting of the battle yesterday. I have read a great deal about Napoleon's 1812 Invasion of Russia, and I'd like to collaborate with others in creating/maintaining articles on the 1812 war in Misplaced Pages. I'm interested in Russian sources regarding these battles, as they have been traditionally overlooked by western historians who write about the 1812 war. Contact me at my home email. Regards, Kenmore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenmore (talk • contribs) 16:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Ghirlandajo: I was trying to edit and improve my "Battle of Krasnoi" today and you left a "no weasling" message for me, in addition to undoing my edits. Perhaps you didn't realize it was me working on my own article? Please advise. Kenmore— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenmore (talk • contribs) 14:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC) To: Ghirlandajo and others Re: Battle of Krasnoi edits of 9/12/06 It is very difficult -- in fact even confusing -- to attempt to summarize the Battle of Krasnoi "succinctly" in terms of who won or lost. This is because it was a succession of individual skirmishes more than a single, all-encompassing battle with a single, discernible, easy to describe result. Right now, the summary box for the article reads as if Napoleon in person was defeated at Krasnoi. Such was not the case...not at all. The Russian victory was over the individual corps of Eugene, Davout, and Ney. Napoleon himself remained at some distance from Eugene, Davout and Ney as they were being mauled by the Russians. Further -- to simply define Krasnoi as nothing more than the Russian victories over Eugene, Davout, and Ney -- is also to skirt the truth, because on the fourth day of action (Nov. 17th) Napoleon did indeed lead his guardsmen in a general attack on Kutusov, the result being that Napoleon accomplished his goal of fighting the Russians off temporarily so that he could extract as much of his army from Krasnoi as possible. This temporary rear-guard activity of Napoleon's was an important part of the events of Nov. 14 - 18th. Let me explain some more. Many Western historians -- generally Francophiles or worshippers of Napoleon -- describe Krasnoi as a French victory over Kutusov, focusing only on the events of Nov. 17th. The Russian historian Tarle, in fact, in his account of Krasnoi, dwells on the actions of Nov. 17th to the detriment of the rest of the battle (Nov. 14th - 18th). The great Napoleonic historian David Chandler ("The Campaigns of Napoleon") ignores all the action at Krasnoi except that of Nov. 17th (Napoleon's brief counterattack), and calls Krasnoi a French success. All of these pro-French views, in my opinion, are misleading and erroneous because they totally ignore the disastrous defeats suffered by Eugene, Davout and Ney on the Nov. 15th, 16th, and 18th. On the other hand, certain Russian accounts of Krasnoi I am familiar with summarize it as just Miloradovich's rough handling of Eugene, Davout and Ney...without paying Napoleon enough credit for his counterattack on Nov. 17th. My aim is to explain Krasnoi in a way that takes into account all of the action, from Nov. 14th through Nov. 18th, and which emphasizes that the Russians very much got the better of the fighting even though Napoleon did save part of his army by counterattacking successfully on Nov. 17th. Perhaps it would be best to summarize the "result" as follows: "Russian victory over the corps of Eugene, Davout, and Ney"...and to leave it at that? That way the "result" does not convey that fallacy that Napoleon personally was defeated. The best historians of the war, in my opinion, tend to call Krasnoi a "partial Russian victory". Right now, I regard the Krasnoi article as a work in progress. I would like to upgrade it in the future with references to excellent history books, fully accurate counts of casualties, artillery pieces lost, maps, etc. Kenmore— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenmore (talk • contribs) 18:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Russo-Kazan WarsКлассно!!! :))) Предлагаю в дальнейшем развить последнюю секцию до полноценной статьи, благо что материала много.. + добавить последнюю главу про походы против партизан 1552-1558 годов! --Wiki 14:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC) зы. А не более правильно было бы назвать статью Muscovite-Kazan Wars? Ведь начались они до окончательного объединения Руси? Ekaterina GeltserThanls for the feedback. If you would like to get rid of the photos that is fine, but considering my VAST collection of antique ballet photos from Imperial/Early Soviet Russia that none but me and a few others might see, I thought, after seeing the article, that Id rather share them than have them sitting in my albums and on my PC....... :) I suppose my need to share the photos got the better of my judgement regarding the short article - it is a bit much for such a short article, but the photos are so great! Mrlopez2681 15:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Re: Category:Wars of IngriaAnd Category:Wars of Karelia, too. *sigh* I've listed them both for deletion. Kirill Lokshin 19:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC) The Death of AchillesI just sort of finished the article on The Death of Achilles. What would you pick as DYK-entry? BTW, I would hate to see you leave this wiki, or reduce your activity here. Rest assured you have also many friends here. Errabee 22:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboardHi Ghirla, I thought you might be interested in this which is lifted from here
Tony Sidaway then removed my last comment with this startling edit summary . Seems there really is one law for some, and another for him. No one liftes a finger to stop him. Giano | talk 14:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, I have seen this striking exchange but, as you know, I am intimidated from posting my comments on Bcrats' board and I don't want to deal with Mr. Sidaway any more. May be others have been intimidated too. If I perpetrated anything like this, I would have been blocked by multiple admins simultaneously. Let their conscience be the judge. --Ghirla 15:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/KvenHello, An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kven. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kven/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kven/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --FloNight 23:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC) ResponseTo keep it all in one spot, we can communicate on my talk page or via email if you prefer...I have left a reponse to that affect on my talk page.--MONGO 07:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC) QueryHi. I noticed you removed Louis-Alexandre de Launay, comte d'Antraigues from Category:Russian diplomats. He was Russia's ambassador at some point, so wouldn't you say the label qualifies? Dahn 10:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Feodor II of RussiaHi. I hope we can agree that "most foully" is intrinsically a POV statement. Could you source that he died from having his testicles crushed? Thanks, Storkk 15:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC) Did you know
Ancient European Historywould appreicate a dialogue. my aquaintance Billy Meier has given us some information about the ancient Giants not heretofore given. i just dont want to post it because it is only from one source. but would like to share it. where can i post it to where only you will get it? wiki editor mlhooten mlhootenATgmail.com hellohi. in my country (israel) there are great concerns that russia is no more democracy but authoritarian regime. you are live in russia, so do you think it is correct? and you think putin is effective president? Superzohar 18:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
WP:NC(GN)I apologize for spamming your talk page, but since you had contributed in the past to the WP:NC(GN) proposal, which is currently ready for a wider consultation, I thought you might want to give it another look now and, hopefully, suggest some final improvements. Thanks. --Lysy 22:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
Hosios LoukasHi, thanks a lot for expanding my Hosios Loukas stub. Looks much more competent now! Darn it, I didn't even find the right English term for that cross-in-square thing. :-) By the way, maybe you can satisfy my curiosity. That English language external link I had described the architectural pattern as "tetrastyle", but our Tetrastyle article describes something rather different, a type of classical portico. Do you happen to know how that term is used? I mean, it would sort of make sense as a term for a type of dome, I guess. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
You and I have only crossed paths a few times on Misplaced Pages, but I feel we would share the same perspective on the vote taking place at talk:Erika Steinbach. We need your vote, the Polish POV pushers have tried to revers the Danzig/Gdansk ruling in regards to another German/Polish city, as doing so will defame a German politician (Erika Steinbach). Please round up more like minded people and have them vote, we need all the help we cna get, like on the Jogaila vote a while ago. --Jadger 02:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Andrey Kozlovmoved again... - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
BarnstarBig thanks! I'm always glad when people appreciate my contributions :) Todor→Bozhinov 13:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
Incredible!I have only been USING Misplaced Pages for may be a year, and I always wondered who authored all those "Russia-themed" "Did you know?" articles. Today I finally took the time to find out, and I am impressed to no end with Ghirla! Keep up the good work, please, and don't quit! You are person of a rare talent and much dedication, and it would be a shame if "phobes" discouraged you. cheers, Zoirusha ReplyLol, what do you mean? —Khoikhoi 03:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Russian EnlightenmentI made my additions that need your polishing. (meladina 09:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)) DYK
Polar explorationThanks for your great additions to this article. I have since added considerably more material about the Renaissance period, and think, perhaps, that your additions might be moved to that section, since it is more in keeping with the timeline. Before I do that, however, I wanted your opinion on moving it. Danny 11:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/GianoHello, An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm| 22:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC) Egyptian RevivalI've found a pretty good source for quite a bit of information on the subject - I've included some on the talk page. Perhaps you'd respond? Thanks --Mcginnly | Natter 01:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
UberCryxic's Plan to unilaterally edit the Battle of Krasnoi articleGhirla: I respectfully request that you not allow anyone to edit or revise the Battle of Krasnoi article without consulting with me first. I wish to discuss this battle in detail with UberCryxic first. UberCryxic is very deeply in error about Krasnoi, and after I discuss my sources with him, I'm sure he'll agree with my position. My proposal to UberCryxic is that he and I set-up a notebook listing exactly what we think happened on each of the days of the battle, from Nov. 14th to Nov. 17. He can share his sources with me, and I'll share my sources with him. Everything will be addressed and footnoted. Thanks, Kenmore 9/25/06 --kenmore Agatha ofMoving the Agatha of Bulgariaarticle to Agatha, wife of Edward the Exile might be a reasonable solution. Let me know what you think or leave a note at the talk page. I was tempted to AFD it, but perhaps it can be saved. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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KenmoreHey, I apologize if my behavior towards him seemed incongruous in any way. As I said in the talk page, I did not mean to incite any ill feelings. That aside, I have a question for you. Do you know what my first experience as a registered user in Misplaced Pages was? It was a quasi-fight with you over Borodino in January. Do you remember me calling you an "obnoxious teenager" or questioning your intelligence? Do you remember me doing THIS? Just because someone is new to Misplaced Pages does not mean they are excused from having basic standards of personal conduct. I hope you keep this in mind the next time you decide to dish out criticism in this matter.UberCryxic 15:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes you were the first, after accusing me of having an agenda! Haha...just kidding. For what it's worth, I consider you the closest thing to indispensable when it comes to Misplaced Pages, even though you have characteristics and tendencies that I find objectionable. Your contributions to this project are like a whole encyclopedia on their own.UberCryxic 17:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC) Modern Scholarship Regarding 1812 Tilts Toward The Russian View If anything, modern scholarship on Napoleon's Russian invasion tends more and more to debunk the myth of Napoleon falling to nature and not to the Russians. More and more Western historians these days are crediting the Russians with having waged a successful war of attrition against the French, harnessing geography, economic realities and nature to wear down an opponent that would otherwise have been invincible. It was Russian stamina, obstinacy in combat, generalship and martial prowess that made put Napoleon in a position where nature did the rest of the work. Here's an example of the latest scholarship on 1812...written by a world reknown LSE professor: Lieven, D. C. B. "Russia and the Defeat of Napoleon (1812-14)" Kritika: Explorations in Russian and Eurasian History - Volume 7, Number 2, Spring 2006, pp. 283-308 Slavica Publishers Although a vast and often excellent literature exists on the Napoleonic Wars, there remain important gaps and misconceptions in our understanding both of the wars themselves and of the context in which they were fought. Probably the most significant of these gaps and misconceptions concern Russia's role in the international relations (including, of course, the wars) of the Napoleonic era, which is very imperfectly understood both in Russia and in "the West."1 Some reasons for misunderstanding are specific to Russian or Western historians: in other respects, however, Russian and Western scholarship on the era shares similar weaknesses. In this article I look first at Western and then at Russian writing on Russia's role in Napoleon's downfall. I seek to explain why Russia's part in the collapse of Napoleon's empire has been misunderstood and underestimated both in Russia and the "West." I also point to the ways in which this has distorted a realistic and balanced understanding of the defeat of Napoleon both in Russia and abroad. Given the manner in which the wars of this era were mobilized by nationalist mythmakers, it is perhaps not surprising that the enormous Russian contribution to the destruction of Napoleon's empire should have been played down by British, French, and German historians. A more interesting problem is why Russian historians have also contributed to this underestimation of their own country's efforts. http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/kritika/v007/7.2lieven.html Kenmore 16:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)kenmore Feedback for essayHi, there. I have made some large changes to the essay now known as Misplaced Pages:Administrators are not only here to build the encyclopedia (I renamed it as the original title deviated too much from my original point). I would like some feedback on whether you find it more acceptable now. Thanks. Cowman109 18:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC) QuestionGhirlandajo, I have serious question to you about architecture. Do you classify this building as pure Mannerism style building: original photo, drawing 1, drawing 2 ? Regards from "well known nationalist" M.K.
The townhouse exhibits Italianate detailing which was common in Northern Europe owing to the work of both Tessins, but the earlier images reveal a Baroque layout which makes me recall the haunting stills of Nymphenburg from L'année dernière à Marienbad, a landmark film which illustrates the adoption of Baroque aesthetics by a modern filmmaker. If the building is in Vilnius (as the style of the nearby church makes me guess), it may have been an illustration of Jan Sobieski's political and matrimonial alliance with the Bavarian Wittelsbachs. I advise Giano to take a look at this shamefully delapidated building in rural Ukraine. Perhaps it may become the subject of one of his future articles :) --Ghirla 21:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
NerchinskI have invited you to a discussion on Talk:Nerchinsk. Please explain how multiple-language headings do not comform to WP:MOS --Niohe 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Your requestYes I have taken the matter there now. I am personally fine with the article either way, but I just think the new name is more appropriate and accurate.UberCryxic 18:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
{{unref}}"please learn to use the template correctly"
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These are very sensitive matters and I'm tired of: a) moving the template to the bottom of the page; b) replacing it with "stub" tags. People seem to be using tags (not only this, but others too) without consulting the rules. I hope you understand what I mean. --Ghirla 06:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC) BegerWhy can't I retract my own nomination? This has been done before. Bravada, talk - 10:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
sobornostGod and Theotokos bless you, Ghirlandajo. The edits where most appreciated! Could you look at sophiology for me and also I would like to start a Russian neo-idealism article. LoveMonkey 05:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC) DYK
Kodori Valley <-> Upper Abkhazia_Upper_Abkhazia-2006-09-30T22:59:00.000Z">Against my better judgement I got involved in an edit war on the renaming of the article on the Kodori Valley to "Upper Abkhazia". I am asking for your advise and support. I was considering posting a notice about the ongoing militant POV-pushing edits on Abkhazia in the "urgent announcement" section of Portal:Russia/New article announcements. Although this seems to be the common way to gather support for Russia-related issues, I am not sure if it is the real Misplaced Pages way. In case you are wondering why I show interest in such issues and places, I am not the russophobe you somethimes think I am. In fact my great-great-grandfather was decorated for serving the Tsar in the Caucasus. -- Petri Krohn 22:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)_Upper_Abkhazia"> _Upper_Abkhazia"> Re:RfCYeah, I've saw it. I'm afraid I don't have enough time atm moment to preach to the uncovertable. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 17:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Job vs. JoveI don't know much (well, anything) about the subject, so I may be missing something, but we should use the name under which this person is best known in English language academic works. If more than one version is commonly used, then any would be acceptable (the choice of the first major contributor usually takes precedence). If there are many versions, none of which is firmly established, we should go with romanization (Iov). Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC) I will explain the geo-portion. As for the historical names, I see Mikka and Irpen already left him their notes. You might want to leave one yourself so there's no mistake that such massive moves are disruptive. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC) Lawering & trollingHello, all I asked you to do is to drop an URL to a website or put name of book/ journal/ magazine/ other source you are getting your images from. Is that so hard? Google and Yahoo! has good image searches to help you out. Is it lawering asking to comply with simple Misplaced Pages policies asking to copy&paste website addresses? I am not directly questioning if PD tags are appropriate or not (except for one case when it is obviously not). Is it trolling trying to remove and clean up huge amounts of mistagged, orphaned, and unsourced images? I am just a human version of OrphanBot. And, BTW, Image:Lubyanka 1916.jpg is not PD-Soviet either. It was created in 1916, and Soviet Union - only in 1922. And, BTW, if you mention it, the fact the guy in Image:Mikhail gorchakov.jpg (and that's not a photo) died in 1800's does not make the image PD. The image could have been created last year. YellowDot 17:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Sknyatino catsHi, Ghirla! Regarding this edit. The purpose of the Category:Rural settlements in Russia is in fact to list only existing rural settlements. It should not cover entities which are no longer rural settlements (otherwise it would cover pretty much all settlements in Russia), nor those that ceased to exist (for that, I suggest Category:Settlements in Russia that ceased to exist, or something to that effect; it could cover all sunken, burned, razed, or otherwise demolished settlements). This is more than just formality; that's factual accuracy. I am not as clear-cut about Category:Cities on the Volga. I feel uneasy to call a non-existing entity "a city on the Volga" when it's in fact neither, but I can see how this can be convenient from that category's perspective. I'll remove the first cat but leave the second one in. If you wish, I can start the category for demolished settlements (I think Russian Misplaced Pages has one), but I need to think of a better name first. If you have any suggestions, I will gladly welcome them.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
привет. Это я добавляю ссылки на Энциклопедию в статьяхты просил что-то пояснить? Thank youI've just returned from a very long and hard day, and have not the energy just yet to catch up, the large martini has not quite hit home, but I saw this and thought it very kind - thanks. Giano 17:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Size of the articlesI have found only the guidelines on Article_size#A_rule_of_thumb >50K - should be divided, >30K may eventually be divided, <20K should never be divided. The Russia article is 34K. I would say that it should not be divided as it is now abakharev 18:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC) What's wrong in having a redecuced article?--РКП 11:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Himalayan Brown BearHeh, yea that article is new. I saw a red link, was bored, looked it up, and started an article. T REXspeak 20:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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It's all right. Let's discuss then РКП 11:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC) It's fine with me. --РКП 11:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Kenmore & the Battle of KrasnoiMy apologies for bothering you with this, but any assistance you could provide with this issue would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 20:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC) La Bayadere ArticleWhat you did yesterday looks terrific! (Charts do not really work here.)Queenofthewilis 12:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC) OrphanBot vs. YellowDotIs there any rational explanation why OrphanBot targets the same images that were assaulted by User:Yellow Dot, who proclaims himself a "human version of OrphanBot"? This self-professed newbie seems to possess a weird gift of prognosticating the bot's actions. What is the relationship between the two? --Ghirla 10:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
RE User:GugutisHello, I reviewed the article and at least in some parts of it reminds me Marija Gimbutas works, sadly new user do not provided any addition refs. Nevertheless I added additional message to his talk explaining situation. M.K. 19:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Golden RingGreetings. I've just made this off this. Many of the English articles are much weaker than their Russian equivalents (Alexandrov and Plyos, for instance). However, given that we don't have anything at all on Kideksha, I would appreciate it if you could translate that. I know there's a formal procedure for requesting translations, but it's only a matter of a couple of paragraphs. Biruitorul 05:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
TmutarakanNo, I'm not disputing anything; if I did, I would have added a disputed template. I'm only requesting that sources for the article are provided because they are necessary for verifiability. I may list some sources myself later today. Beit Or 11:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the tip on the portal announcements!By the way, the new image posted for La Bayadere is copywrited and I see no indication that its photographer has given it up to the public domain... will our article be in jeopardy because of this --or does it not really matter? Also, I see there are suddenly MANY images being posted in this fashion on different ballet-related articles here. Being new to Misplaced Pages, I do not know all of the ins and outs so I thought I would ask you. Indicating that the image was scanned by the wikiuser themself, or that it comes from their private collection of books or is being uploaded for educational use does not really fall into Misplaced Pages's guidelines on copywrite infringement, does it? If this is really no big deal (legally) then please let me know because I probably have a bigger collection of images than anyone here! I've just been afraid to use them unless they are over 100 yrs old or have absolutely been released into public domain by the photographer THEMSELVES. Please advise.Queenofthewilis 13:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC) SolovievYes me too. Be careful what you wish for. ;>) God Bless. LoveMonkey 14:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC) What??Dude, take it easy. Situation is already tense. What does America has to do with that? It is Russia and Georgia crisis. Sosomk 15:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ghirla.In my opinion,Saakashvilli is bloody dictator,who's reign is a danger to the citizens of Georgia and the neighbouring states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.Dimts 08:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC) What gives!?First I find myself on the same side as you in 2 votes (in one week, no less) and now we appear to be working peacefully towards improving the Tmutarakan article... perhaps a new era of detente in Ghirla-Briangotts relations has dawned... Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Our interactionGhirla, I spoke highly of you in the RFAr regarding you. Rest assured I carry no grudge. And yet in several recent comments you have expressed hostility towards me. I ask you not to be angry with me and to cooperate with me in calming the debate. Any time you wish to discuss with me on our talk pages in a civil manner I will be happy to accommodate you. --Ideogram 07:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC) DYK
Sviatoslav I of KievI think this article needs a lot of work. I would like to bring it up to par with some of the other articles. As it stands it consists of a very small biographical sketch and a huge excerpt from Gibbon (which probably would be more appropriate in wikisource). I'll be researching and making expansions to the current text as I'm able in the coming weeks. If you could look in on it from time to time and make changes, perhaps we could collaborate on this. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC) I've made some major expansion and added citations. Still needs some work. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC) Do you know what the name "Sviatoslav" means? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
FYI I've nominated the article for WP:GA. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Do you have any info on Sviatoslav's family life? That section could use some expansion. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC) DYK
Awaiting your contributionsI see that you deleted the only image from Shlisselburg. I hope that you provide a free replacement. Thanks in advance, Ghirla -трёп- 17:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
BelltowersHi Ghirlandao! Whether or not WP is a picture gallery (and by the existence of a gallery on the bell tower page there is evidently some such function associated with it), the provision of the picture of Katun bell tower was intended to show that there is a wide variety of structures that qualify, not only grandiose buildings of stone. Also, that there are some bell towers outside of Russia and Belgium - which seem for some reason to make up most of the others in the gallery. Now just because my contribution has made you cross for some reason is no justification for you to strike it out. I have therefore reinstated it. Пока - Smerus 08:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Pep TalkGhirlandajo old bear, were you having a "dip" on Wetman's talk page? I just put some Pep Talk on my User Page you may want to partake of. It sure boosted my moral and I hope it will do for you. Now is not the time to have second thoughts about your splendid editing.
Vyborg LibraryExcellent that you coined the Vyborg Library page! I added some things to it - e.g. Quantrill got things wrong The ceiling in the picture is of the stairs leading to the main lending desk. I've been there sevweral times - fantastic place. The page is looking good - I may yet add some things.
Which map?? --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Your objection to DemosthenesThank you for your comment in Demosthenes' FAC. I've answered to your objections. Just check Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Demosthenes. I'll just repeat here that the article follows to the letter the instructions of WP:LEAD. The article has to retell the whole story in a summary style and that's what the article does. Just check Misplaced Pages's rules. And, if you want check the lead of my last FA, Alcibiades, which does the same thing, exactly because it is obliged to do it. Cheers!--Yannismarou 17:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Малый ВысоцкийI'm wondering about your conventional spelling of this as Malyi Vysotski since Google returns 13,500 hits for "Malyj Vysotskij" and only 22 for Malyi Vysotski. According to all transliteration rules in use in the English language, there is also no possible way to get Malyi Vysotski out of Малый Высоцкий. The article Romanization of Russian has information on transliterating Russian into English. I would appreciate if you could change both articles back to the version Malyj Vysotskij. Большое спасибо! -Юит (Yupik)
Re: DemosthenesFirst, you compare two different articles. Aspasia is much shorter than Demosthenes. It is not the same thing. Demosthenes' length demands a longer lead and not "just a few sentences". Hence, it is not a lack of "ability" but the different needs of two different "articles" that demand two different styles of lead. Second, why you tell me about Aspasia and why do't you compare Demosthenes with Alcibiades? These are similar articles that can be compared. In Alcibiades nobody found a problem with a lead. You don't want Alcibiades. Ok, take other FA articles about ancient Greeks: Theramenes, Epaminondas, Thrasybulus? What about them? Why during the nominations of these FACs (whose leads are line mine) nobody found a problem with the lead? Just think about that. Third, you tell me to rewrite a lead, which already fully conforms with WP:LEAD. The lead must stand alone as an overview of the article. What you ask me to do will not stand! It will be something wrong! Please read carefulle WP:LEAD. I don't know what is your experience with FAC proceedures, but as an editor who has in three months nominated three FAs and who actively and constantly participates as a reviewer in WP:FAC and WP:FARC I can tell you that objections for a lead fully in accordance with WP:LEAD are not actionable. Cheers!--Yannismarou 07:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
RfB With A Smile :)
Featured article candidate - GlidingThank you for your comment on gliding. Can you be rather more specific than "something must be done"? How exactly is the article "spoiling fun" at present? I will make any sensible changes that you want. JMcC 12:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your useful comments and for removing your objections. Is there any chance of positive sppport for the candidacy of gliding? JMcC 12:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Russia/Russian FederationCan we please continue this discussion on User talk:Koavf. He is the original contributor of the disputed edits, (and it seem he is in need of your support :-) -- Petri Krohn 12:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC) My new Response for DemosthenesI've given a more detailed answer to your new comment in Demosthenes. Check Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Demosthenes. I'm sorry because you insist on bringing false arguments (you have obviously not read Misplaced Pages's instructions or, at least, you don't care so much about them) and you use wrong expamples (you compare the lead of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, an article of 30Kb with the lead of Demosthenes, an article of 90Kb???). I suggest you give a more detailed look in FA's criteria, before you get more involved in FAC reviews. Cheers!--Yannismarou 13:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Re: Flickr images on WikiHi, I speedy deleted Image:Sochistmichaels.jpg since the Flickr page spesify a non-commercial Creative Commons variant on that image. We don't allow non-commercial licenses (excpt possebly as fair use, but that was not claimed here). Any Creative Commons license that restrict commercial use or making of derivatives (any combination with nc or nd in the name) are not allowed. If you can explain that to him, and that he has to link to the actial image page on Flickr when he upload images from there it would be nice (they allow all sorts of licenses, and it's spesified on each image). Most of those images effectively have no source. --Sherool (talk) 15:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC) About ongoing circusYes, you are absolutely right about united front to stop ongoing stalking from particular group of contributors. This situation is unacceptable and some contributors already left, because could not cope with this staged situation. This should be stopped in any means necessary. M.K. 16:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC) C'monDon't keep fanning the flames. Please? - brenneman 06:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Re: comments regarding IRCThe note I put on my user page was to inform people that they can reach me there. My presence on IRC is not an attempt to gain power over anyone else or to be excused from editing in articlespace; and I don't really think it's a crime to let people know where I can be easily contacted. I should be very disappointed if I were given exception from normal procedure due to my being on IRC, but I'd also appreciate not being judged for being there as well. As for why I posted it on ANI, I wanted to generate discussion where it'd be most likely seen. If that was an error, I apologize. --Keitei (talk) 09:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Your concerns about meI don't want to see anyone blocked, even the anonymous editor I have been dealing with lately. And Interiot's comment below (the second one, at 04:49) hit me right between the eyes. However, I am at a loss over what to do about it. (It is for this reason that I never commented in the first Giano thread, and will probably avoid this one from now on.) Let's say we only block "when a user is in some way making it difficult for others to contribute to Misplaced Pages". Well, slagging off on someone is only disruptive if that person or that person's friends take offense. So should we all turn the other cheek, and let some editors make crude personally disparaging remarks? There wouldn't be any disruption that way, but Misplaced Pages would be a less and less inviting place to hang around. Or, if disruption only occurs when people take offense, then the disruptiveness of a comment (and hence, its blockability) becomes a function of how many friends the target and offender each have. I was going to add a disclaimer like this to my remarks last night before you commented, but couldn't figure out how to word it, so I left it for the morning. Regarding your specific concerns about me, my approach in this case would have been to ask Giano nicely to reword his observations. It's a fair question to ask if the arbcom should really be thanking someone who writes such things on a public blog. And my opinion is somewhat different now than when I started this subthread, thanks to Interiot. I don't want to enshrine the principle that high status contributors can get away with whatever they want to say, but I definitely realize I have no idea how to deal with these situations effectively, so I will avoid them in the future, as I did in the first uproar and should have done this time. (Obviously the 50 or so principles and findings of fact haven't helped a damn thing.) Thatcher131 11:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Sorry, was this intended for me?Hi Ghirandajo, was this intended for me? If it was, I have to confess that I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Could you explain? Thanks, Ben Aveling 11:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC) User:Rus' KhaganateI am preparing an article about this poorly-documented and -understood time in Russian history, for eventual migration into the main article space. I would like to make it as comprehensive as possible. Your comments and additions (including from sources critical of or in opposition to the theories presented so far) would be most welcome. In particular I would like to expound on the attitude of both Normanists and anti-Normanists to this issue. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Moved the article to main space with your edits. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC) I will continue to work on the article with you. I note with satisfaction that Sviatoslav I of Kiev is now a Good article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Did You Know...?
1956 венгерская революцияЗдравствуйте Гирла, Будьте добрым, перечитайте нашу статью про венгерскую революцию. Мы много работали над статьей, надеюсь что мы писали из "нейтральной перспективы". Думаете, что это лучше, чем прежде? Кстати, извините за мой плохой русский.... K. Lastochka 15:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC) DYK
W. S. GilbertI've spun off the Bibliography, as requested. Iliaş of MoldaviaHi, and thanks for your kind words. I have since contributed Iliaş of Moldavia, and please let me know if there is more I can help with: connections between Ukraine/Southern Russia/Belarus/Lithuania and Moldavia were frequent and interesting, but way too little gaps are bridged currently. It is interesting to note that, after blocking me, Greek users have not actually reverted the article, but gradually moved it to a spurious version that didn't just remove all mention of "Istanbul" (as if Phanariotes were around in the 15th century), but silently deleted a mention of obviously not all Phanariotes being Greeks (even though this leads to several self-contradictions in the text). The sheer amount of bullshit and truthiness accounted for my outburst (which should not have happened, but I shan't be apologizing to those editors). Oh, well (unfortunately, my native tongue's wikipedia is even worse currently, so I cannot be following your example...). Dahn 12:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Re to your requestThese were not messages posted by me. I donot understand why I have to provide a translation. I'm not responsible for other people's writings.--Yannismarou 13:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey Ghirla. No hard feelings whatsoever. Indeed, Yanni was a little jumpy, but that has to do with you assuming his involvement in conspiracy. Some people just can't take such (even implied) accusations lightly. Yanni is a good contributor, and really one of the fair-est and NPOV-est Greek editors I've met (I am not! :-)). Let's get on with our business, shall we? (I see we have some mutual friends...) •NikoSilver• 16:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I am very glad you sorted this out guys! •NikoSilver• 20:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Your message on my talk pageI think Cyde it is you who make things worse! Giano 17:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC) That is the only thing that I removed. Secondly, no one ever stopped people from removing content from my user and talk page. Have a nice day. Fredil Yupigo 17:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC) DYKYeah, looks like Peta and Samir are busy atm. I need to go now and was hoping someone would hand out those things. If not, I'll come back tomorrow. Perhaps we need to badger someone to do the next shift. I need to go now. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Old East SlavicI responded on my talk page. Beit Or 09:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC) ???What are you doing dude? Here are our words from those days (you can find them in the talkpage): Me: On that note, I will offer a compromise. Calling the battle a draw would be a serious disservice, so I propose that we simply say "Marginal French victory," having seen that first word in some other descriptions of battle results. You: It's OK with me but I would like to know what other editors think. This is a little surreal right now because you seem to be disputing that you agreed to this, when clearly you did. If you have now changed your mind, that is fine, but you have to be clear if that's what's going on or if it's something else. Right now you're just confusing me.UberCryxic 15:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Zinaida SerebryakovaHi, Ghirla! I would appreciate your take on this edit and this discussion. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Images and articlesПривет Ghirlandajo, I noticed your post at the architecture portal a couple days ago about the drawings in Fischer von Erlach, I agree, they are very fine indeed and so is the article. I also noticed your humility in crediting Vyborg Library to TTKK. That was very kind of you since you wrote most of it ;-) I have seen good things from TTKK so far, so any encouragement is of course also good. While I am here with compliments, I would also like to ask a favor, which is to see if you could take a look through these two categories and save anything that should be kept. These cats get deleted after seven days, and I don't want anything to get deleted that shouldn't be. Спасибо, DVD+ R/W 18:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
PriniasGoal!! Excellent recovery of my fumble, Andrey!--Wetman 18:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Thank youGhirla, you were the first to support me when you suggested we collaborate on Nadezhda Durova. I've learned a great deal from the examples you've set as an editor. My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. It's always been a pleasure to interact with you. Results are at Misplaced Pages:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Thank youHello, Ghirla, thank you for support and advices. I really impressed with quality of Misplaced Pages's history articles and would like to participate in project. Ioakinf 11:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Thank youThank you for informing me about this problem. I left a message in Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject History of Greece and in Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum, where I decided to throw a poll. I donot know how these things are done - my only experience is with Talk:Ephialtes. Your advice, your vote and any assistance are welcomed. For instance, I don't know if this is the right thing to do or if I'm in a hurry or if I should inform an administrator. Please feel free to comment or to make any modifications you wish in my initiative in Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum. Once again thank you! And by the way, if you are interested in any topics related directly or indirectly with the Greek history, you are of course welcomed to participate in the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject History of Greece.--Yannismarou 14:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Stop vandalizingThe Grand Duchy of Finland was no puppet state but a fully autonoumous state. --Jaakko Sivonen 15:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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