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The monkey house Items I have removed from my userspace:
From my User Page: From my User Talk:

Fresh start, archived content. HighInBC 19:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Gas

Looks like there was a revert mistake - it turned out as ... . Not a problem, just that such happenings may be avoided by quickly checking the page to see if the revert went as intended. CP/M |Misplaced Pages Neutrality Project| 22:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops. I reverted yer revert of the vandal instead of reverting the vandal. Glad you caught it, thanks. Will be more careful. HighInBC 22:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

More and again More

Hey, I was wondering if I could get your input on my introduction to my Hevstäf article. My main worry is that the term 'little-known' may seem prejudicial (either way).

Also, in regards to 'Canadian Spelling': I live in Minnesota, but I use the words 'cheque' and 'grey'. 'Check' means 'checkmark'! And 'gray' just looks like a red word to me (mild senesthesia, I suppose)! (Geez, can't believe there's no article on synaesthasia/senesthesia.)

SVG

I've done it with Graphic Converter on mac and reduced the quality a bit so I think I could be free... well, I don't know these rights, can you explain me a bit more please?

Thanks :)

NSaturn

Re: Disruption of short-term memory

Whoa.. sorry for the slight misnomer. I see you've already corrected it. Thanks for double checking my work. Take care. --Howrealisreal 13:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It was not evident, I had to look up the studies the citation used to be sure. No problem. HighInBC 13:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

On the talk page

Can you please discuss your objections on the talk page please. --Irishpunktom\ 14:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Already there, see Talk:Muhammad#My_2_cents. Thanks. HighInBC 14:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

your compromise proposal

Hi, thank you for your compromise proposal. I hope you are not overly optimistic, but you are more optimistic than I. :-(. There was a consensus version of an image of Muhammad that was present for a year. Then recently it was changed, which has stirred up the current conflict. So from my POV, the conflict is not about the presence or absense of an image, or images, of Muhammad, but about applying a policy which says that if images might be considered offensive by Misplaced Pages readers, then those images need to meet certain (in my opinion, very low and easily obtainable) standards. The other POV, I'm sorry to say, I can't articulate very well. Perhaps I do not understand it, but my impression is that it is just a blanket rejection of the arguments raised against the particular image as being made in bad faith. If you have the time, I recommend that you read the discussion on the talk page. I would very much like to know your impressions, regardless of which stance you may favor. Sincerely, --BostonMA 14:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Since it seems to me to be an example of really persistent people wearing down those that are trying to follow policy, perhaps this will need an arbcom ruling. I do not know enough about the subject to initiate such a proccess, but it will give admins the ability to enforce the decision they come to. Mabye we can find peace first. HighInBC 14:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I have already put in a request for mediation. (see talk page). There is a queue, and I think we are about 9 days away. That would be the next step. --BostonMA 15:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I am going to step out for a while. But if things get crazy and you need someone to put their opinion in, just drop me a link and I will go there. I will also be here in a few weeks should this last. HighInBC 15:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --BostonMA 15:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, while I support your compromise, I think it is premature to remove the images, rather I think more discussion is needed. In particular, I think we need to hear from User:Briangotts. Without his input, and the input of a few others, I think the only reaction will be accusations of censorship, etc. So, my suggestion is to wait till we hear from some of the people who have been somewhat adamant about including all of the pictures. If the article suffers for awhile, it won't be the end of the world. I have to go, now, but will be back in a few hours. --BostonMA 18:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Advice

Hi HighInBC -- Since you very kindly helped me out and taught me about the four tildes, I'd like to ask your advice about Misplaced Pages. I think I somehow got into a war with someone on the Robert Mugabe talk page. Basically, the Mugabe page is profoundly pro-Mugabe -- reading the whole page, you'd think he's the most enlightened, nicest, best leader ever. Being proactive (I don't like complaining but solving problems), I decided to try to solve it: I added in a section pointing out some of the things that he's done, I tried to write it as neutrally as possible (by doing things like, titling the section in a neutral, "Changes in Zimbabwe", etc), I documented everything with references, etc -- but then, what happened is this: there's some guy on the page, named Wizzy who, whenever anyone writes a word critical of Mugabe, he comes and deletes it, and he deleted the entire section of mine, saying it is biased. This is confusing, for a few reasons. One reason is, Wizzy claimed (elsewhere on the page) that, if we think the article is biased, we should fix it - yet when I try to fix it, he deletes it! Another reason is, his reasons why he thinks I'm being biased are things like, I used the word "reign" - but, if that's the problem, then should the appropriate response to be fix what I wrote and change the word reign? This is also confusing because, Mugabe seems to be very black-and-white - it's not like one of these edge cases where it's hard to tell how bad he's been, but the destruction he's done to the country is pretty objective. This situation on the Mugabe Misplaced Pages confuses me. This is all background! Now let me get the question: I want to "appeal" Wizzy's undoing of what I did. How do I do this? There has to be some way to make the article more even-handed, to try to over-rule people who delete any attempt to make biased articles more even-handed. So, what should I do next? Or - is this not worth the effort? Maybe I should give up and stop caring. Let me know what you advise - I'm new to Misplaced Pages and don't know what to do now, and I don't want to just re-do what I did, because that would be an endless he said/she said loop, which i want to avoid. What do you suggest? Thank you for your help! Btw, if you think I'm being irrational or am in the wrong, please be honest and tell me - I'm new to Misplaced Pages so maybe there's a cultural aspect to Misplaced Pages I don't know about or something.... CityWanderer 16:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I will come back later and give you more detailed advice. For now I will give your two peices of advice:

1. Be calm, and patient. Misplaced Pages remembers everything, and everything can be undone. So this is not time critical.
2. Take a look at third opinion, it is a place where you can invite other editors to give an opinion on a disagreement.

There are others ways to deal with this aswell, which I will get into later. Thanks for the hard work. HighInBC 16:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

JerseyKen's question

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this of you, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. I'm a newbie, and just learning.

You left a comment for me (I think) that seems to be labeled a "warning" -- not to add nonsense to Misplaced Pages. (19:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)). Was that addressed to something specific, or just a general message routinely given to newcomers? (Hard to imagine I've succeeded in adding nonsense so early! But I want to be sure!)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JerseyKen (talk • contribs) 10:43, October 19, 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry about that, that message was meant for another user. I edited the wrong window. I will be more carefull in the future. I have removed the warning as it should not have been there, my mistake. HighInBC 17:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Phew! Nothing like a little jolt of paranoia first off. <grin> Thanks for clearing that up for me! JerseyKen 17:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)