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| == Naming of papal bio articles. Time to lineup with other monarchial article titles. == | |||
| Perhaps it's time we agree to rename the articles from ''Pope Name'' to just ''Name'', with ''Name (pope)'' for those that need disambiguation. Example: change ] to '''John Paul II''' & ] to '''John XXIII (pope)'''. Take note for example, that we have ] & not '''Queen Elizabeth II'''. ] (]) 22:25, 15 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm afraid that the problem that would suggest disapproving your proposal is that in comparison with royalties such as Elizabeth, the popes' names are often shared with a more vast amount of other ecclesiastical dignitaries of varying traditions in time and space. ] (]) 22:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *I see no need to change this. The "Pope X" format clearly and ambiguously identifies the subject as a past or present pope. I am aware of no circumstances that have changed to make this "the time". –]<sup>⋉]</sup> 23:41, 15 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| I often edit Pope-related articles (and I have edited or created most Antipope-related categories), though I am not a member of WikiProject Catholicism. In several cases the "Pope" is necessary for disambiguation purposes from other historical figures. Some examples: | |||
| *]. A 1st-century pope, using a ] which appears frequently in Greek mythology. The most notable figure with this name is ], a legendary musician of disputed historicity and reputed son of ]. He is supposedly the creator of the "linos", a type of musical lamentation that resembles the ]. | |||
| *]. A 1st-century pope whose name is the Greek term (in both ancient and modern Greek) for being "recalled". His name is also rendered as "Cletus" in some sources, and might be a variation of the Greek name ]. The most notable person of this name ], a military officer under ]. Cleitus famously rescued the life of Alexander in a battle, but was later killed by Alexander in a drunken quarrel between them. | |||
| *]. Same name and ordinal with various kings and bishops, including ] (one of the combatants in the ]), ] (primarily known for military campaigns in the Italian Peninsula, and getting killed in the ]), ] (a 4th-century Christian Patriarch, primarily known as an opponent to ] and as one of the leading figures in the ]), ] (a king primarily known for his religious policies, a number of brutal military campaigns, and his inability to father children), ] (a monarch primarily known for his internal reforms, and for switching from a vassal to an invader of Poland), ] (the last king of a unified Georgia, as his kingdom was already fragmenting during his reign), ] (a monarch who created a crown union of Lithuania and Poland), ] (a monarch whose diplomatic skills secured the kingdom from external threats, but who ended up murdered by one of his own sons), ] (one of the combatants in the ] and the key founder of the ]), ] (the first monarch of modern Bulgaria), ] (the first constitutional monarch of Serbia, and primarily known for his assassination), ] (a monarch with a brief-three year reign during ] and the ]), and ] (a monarch primarily known for abolishing the constitution, reigning as a dictator, and for his assassination getting filmed and recorded). Most of them have a better claim to fame than the Pope. | |||
| *]. A pope with a Greek (and pagan) name. ] was the name of a Greek god or demigod, to whom people prayed for recovery from an illness. There is also a historical general called ]. The general was a disloyal vassal of ], who briefly attempted to create his own splinter state. | |||
| *]. Same name with ] (often called just "Hyginus" in sources), a Roman mythologist, astronomer, and professional librarian, whose works are still extant (not all of them). Hyginus the writer is famous as one of our few primary sources on ancient mythology and astronomy. | |||
| *]. A pope with a Greek name. "Anicetus" is a Greek term for someone who has never been defeated, and is typically translated to English as "undefeated", "unconquered", or "invincible". As a personal name, it has been used for various figures, such as a ] (son of ] and ]), ] (served under emperor ], primarily known for assassinating the empress ] on Nero's orders), and ] (primarily known for destroying ]'s Roman fleet in a successful ambush). There is also a genus of wasps called ], but it is poorly covered in Misplaced Pages. | |||
| *]. A Pope with a Greek name, though a bit peculiar. ] is a Greek epithet which means "saviour", and typically applied to various Pagan gods, and a number of Hellenistic monarchs who were credited with saving one or more cities from destruction. Christians applied the term "Soter" to ], considering him as their saviour. Soter does not typically appear as a personal name, though the modern Greek name ] is a linguistic derivative. | |||
| *]. A Pope with a Greek name. "]" means "Liberator", and was typically an epithet of the god ]. Christians adopted the name, and we have articles on multiple Saints, bishops, patriarchs, and even a Byzantine Exarch who are all called Eleutherius. | |||
| *]. Same name and ordinal with a number of nobles, primarily ] (a German prince from the ]) and ] (a Prussian noble, politician, and military officer). "Victor I" is also the abbreviation used for the original version of the ], a class of nuclear-powered submarines of the ]. ] (]) 10:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::So you're opposed? ] (]) 16:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' Can't see any gain except consistency with other types of article, but there will clearly be newly-introduced inconsistency ''within'' the papal bios (see above). Bound to cause lots of work and confusion. ] (]) 16:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' It's not broken. ] (]) 10:30, 2 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' Note that ] is actually an exception to policy, because she is judged to be especially well-known by that title (see ], which specifically names her as a rare exception). Normal naming for monarchs is (Name) (number) of (country), e.g. ]. There is no good equivalent for Popes (you could invent "Francis of the Holy See", but that would be wildly at odds with common usage) so 'Pope' as a prefix instead seems the best option. ] (]) 11:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| For those interested, please join ] about categorisation of the Deuterocanonical books. ] (]) 06:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == Amoris Laetitia == | == Amoris Laetitia == | ||
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Amoris Laetitia
The wikipedia article on Amoris Laetitia (https://en.wikipedia.org/Amoris_laetitia) is highly biased in favor of critics of the document. Criticisms of the document are given a prominent place and in fact take up more of the article than the actual content of Amoris Laetitia. Most of the links are to publications that are critical of AL (NCRegister, EWTN's "World Over").
I think this should be a high priority for WikiProject Catholicism because it strikes at the very unity of our Church. I recommend WikiProject Catholicism take control of the article on Amoris Laetitia, rewrite it to focus on the actual content of the document, and leave the controversy for another article.
Happy to discuss.
PluniaZ (talk) 07:17, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Update: I have made a substantial rewrite of the article on Amoris laetitia. I would appreciate this community's feedback. PluniaZ (talk) 05:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Requested move: List of Catholic churchmen-scientists → List of Catholic cleric-scientists
There is a move discussion taking place at Talk:List of Catholic churchmen-scientists § Requested move 18 November 2017 that may be of interest to members of the WikiProject regarding moving the article List of Catholic churchmen-scientists to the title List of Catholic cleric-scientists. All are invited to participate. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Misplaced Pages has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Catholicism
Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod 14:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Many of these are easily modified, but some need someone with a geographical bent. See Dvorce. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 18:21, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at them. This sort of example is why we need specialists to help with the process.— Rod 08:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Proposal to add some religious events to ITNR
There is currently a proposal to add some religious events at WP:ITNR. If adopted some or all of the listed events could be added to ITNR and be automatically posted to the main page conditional on the overall quality of the relevant articles. Interested editors are encouraged to join the discussion here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Sisters article needed?
I propose to create a Misplaced Pages page "Sister (religious)" in respect for the large number of sisters who do not consider their vocation as monastic, as implied by the title "nun", at least in the United States. Separation of the Sister article from the Nun article will take considerable effort and care, and I don't want to begin it unless I have widespread support from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Catholicism. The Sister article may be brief and direct readers to the article Catholic sisters and nuns in the United States, but it would show respect for the important distinction between nuns and sisters in the United States today. What think you? Jzsj (talk) 15:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have the sources as per WP:NOTABILITY for such an article? If yes, I can't necessarily see any objection, although I assume that the phenomenon might not be limited to Catholicism. John Carter (talk) 18:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Neither "nun" nor "sister" are strictly technical terms (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11164a.htm), so creating an article discussing one but not the other may be an artificial distinction. The distinction in degree of religious observation is a ancientand a worldwide phenomenon (not just the United States - the Sisters of Charity in Calcutta, for example), so a global article for "Catholic women religious" or "Catholic sisters and nuns", breaking out some of the more of the technical content from the "Nun" article, may be appropriate. –Zfish118 11:44, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
WikiProject Marist Brothers: Child Abuse issues
Hello, peace be with you all.
If you check this part of the Marist Brothers' article, you'll see news about the child abuse cases in Australia. Do you guys think it should be moved to a new section? If yes, I need help in naming this new section. If no, should we remove it or just put it where it is currently? Thanks in advanced.--Allenjambalaya (talk) 05:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
- The content should remain, and research ideally should be done to see if the allegations are limited to Australia, or were made in other parts of the world as well. Worldwide accusations would be the most pressing reason to create a new section, which could simply follow the Catholic Church article and be titled to the effect of "Sexual abuse cases". –Zfish118 11:51, 7 February 2018 (UTC)