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	TSO1D, would you have time to start a sandbox with me in order to work on a proposal for a rewrite of the crime/smuggling section for ]? We have both participated in edits there in the recent past and I would prefer doing this with you, rather than doing it alone. For some background, see what I proposed to Bogdan, where you are mentioned too: - ] 02:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)		TSO1D, would you have time to start a sandbox with me in order to work on a proposal for a rewrite of the crime/smuggling section for ]? We have both participated in edits there in the recent past and I would prefer doing this with you, rather than doing it alone. For some background, see what I proposed to Bogdan, where you are mentioned too: - ] 02:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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War of Transnistria

The reference you provided here is no longer operational. I intend to replace it with a {{fact}}tag in a few days.
I'm interested to see it, because it supported an important point in the article. AFAIK, it was general Lebed's threat to involve the 14th Army in the conflict that stopped the war... --Illythr 22:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The link opens an archive of documents, among which there is one entitled Implicarea Armatei a XIV-a, or the Participation of the 14th army prepared by the Altemedia Research Institute. The argument presented there is that the 14th Army was directly involved in the armed conflict and aided the separatists. I cannot assess the basis of that argument as I wasn't there, however it does present an important side of the debate upheld by many adherents. TSO1D 23:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I, uh, failed to find it...? Googling "Altemedia Research Institute" returns... err, my talk page? 8-0 (time passes) Oh, it's AlterMedia! Still, I couldn't find that Implicarea... article on their site and it's not referenced in the wikiarticle too :confused:...

Of the two presented links, is pretty vague about Russian involvement. Russia’s 14th Army, formerly led by General Alexander Lebed, played an active role in the military actions on the side of Transnistria in the conflict in the early 1990s,... - that's all it has to say on the issue. Perhaps you meant this one "Tail wags the Dog"? Although it goes quite a bit further and states that Soviet/Russian army prevailed over the weaker Moldovan forces. And the name... meh.

The is as valid as it can get, given the scarcity of information, although it's kind of confusing as it links directly to the source of the claim in the end of the whole article.

PS: I guess you're doomed to have a Transnistria topic at the top of your talk page... :-) --Illythr 00:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing it up. Mind dropping me that .pdf link all the same? I'm kind of interested to see it from that side (although I probably already have).

Hmm, I have some friends at the city archive here in Chisinau, I wonder if I could dig up some of those papers from back then. I hear they've extracted and classified all public material from that period, though. --Illythr 01:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

History of Moldova

While I agree with your edits, I'm afraid you will be joining our camp of merry Stalinists as an undercover agent soon... Comrade. ;-) --Illythr 19:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation time on Kosovo

I don't think we're getting anywhere with the Kosovo introduction, particularly since Ferick has openly rejected WP:NPOV and is now refusing to discuss sources. Accordingly, I've submitted a request for mediation. Please indicate on that page whether you consent to having the matter mediated. -- ChrisO 09:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Igor Smirnov

Meh, check this out... :-\ I think I need to be bolder. --Illythr 01:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for an interesting discussion on the Smirnov talk page. I am going out of the country for a few weeks and will not be able to continue, but I have gotten a few good ideas for my future research. Thanks and best wishes, Jamason 22:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Shopping for Serb votes

I see that you have been shopping] for Serbian votes. Nothing wrong with it I guess....just a note.Ferick 21:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I see you are from Romania. Which city? I have been to Timişoara a long time ago (during the Ceauşescu era). --GOD OF JUSTICE 03:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I never met anyone from Moldova. Is it nice there? --GOD OF JUSTICE 04:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice! I'd like to visit Moldova one day, I've visited most of the Eastern European countries when I was young, back then it was all mostly the USSR... Whats the difference between Moldovans and Romanians? --GOD OF JUSTICE 04:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting... Why don't they unite? Who is against unification, the Romanians, the Moldovans, or both? I seem to remember that Moldova was part of Romania in 1919, although I might be wrong. --GOD OF JUSTICE 04:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe Romania is entering the EU in 2007, or possibly 2008. Moldova, on the other hand, has little hope of joining, since it is not only hampered by poverty but also facing political problems in Transnistria. I also remember some ethnic tensions in Gagauzia about 10 years ago. Would unification speed up the EU accession process for Moldova, or would it merely slow down Romania (or both)? What are the benefits of unification? --GOD OF JUSTICE 05:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Romanian Cyrillic

Hello! I really do think that Romanian or Moldavian Cyrillic IS necessary while displaying the names of cities and places in today's Moldova. I am writing from Serbia, and I am a Serbian of Vlach/Aroman origins, and I do not mean anything wrong to Romanians with that. I can understand a bit of Romanian myself, and I personally find it very wrong that historical alphabet of Romanian was replaced by the Roman version of Latin alphabet in the middle of XIX century. Was it Ion Cuza that made this unnecessary move? I think you have lost the connection with your past and religion. I know, because we are facing the same problem in Serbia with the Communist imposing of Latin script. Let me explain my point regarding Romanian language, identity, script etc.

1. First of all, I don't think that the name "Romanian" was very accurately chosen in the 19th century. Many people of similar or the same origins did not find their identity inside the "Rome" identity. For example, I think that the name "Vlach" or "Wallachian" should be more appropriate for the whole nation. Why? We in Serbia, Bulgaria and Macedonia do not consider ourselves Romanians, it is somehow strange to us. We are Vlachs. And futhermore, we think that YOU are Vlach too, just trying to make the false connection with Rome. Why all these Romuluses and Remuses and Lupoaicas? As far as I remember, it was Decebal who faught AGAINST the Romans. Not to talk about Meglenians in Greece whou call themselves Vlachs too and their language "Vlahesti". The website of Serbian Vlachs for instance, do not deny that we are almost the same. But you denied your own name and your own script. I still cannot figure out why. That's why all the problems with Moldova. I guess the majority of them prefer to call themselves Moldavians, although they know it's the same nation.

2. The Moldavians and Romanians - it's the same as Serbs and Montenegrins, clearly. History separated us and the different identity developed gradually. Or Germany and Austria. The same nation, same language.

3. Regarding the Cyrillic names. I will remind you that Cyrillic is official for so-called Moldavian language in Transnistria, and it is widely used in the outback of the rest of Moldova. This is the fact we cannot neglect. Even in the future, when rebellious Transnistria becomes just like Gagauzia, one highly autonomous republic inside Moldova (this is the best solution for Kosovo, Abhazia, Southern Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Norther Cyprus and all the regions!), the Cyrillic will remain. Let me remind you that the negotiations failed because of the script. My idea is: in Transnistria, let us have 3 languages official: Moldavian/Romanian Cyrillic, Moldavian/Romanian Latin, Russian and Ukraininan. In the rest of Moldova, let us make the reidntoduction of Cyrillic, like we have in Serbia, and make the officila inscriptions in Moldavian/Romanian Cyrillic, Moldavian/Romanian Latin, and Russian. No harm done. We have it in Serbia. In my Vojvodina, we have 6 official languages! Nobody's protesting. Regarding Romanian nationalism and point of view that Cyrillic was imposed by Stalin, it is just the half of truth. The basic fact is that Latin script was imposed by Cuza about 1850 and in Bessarabia in 1918. Cyrillic script is basically VERY Romanian, much more than Latin, so why hard feelings?

So I will get back to the previous version, with Romanian/Moldavian Cyrillic inscription, not to offend you, OK? Also, Kishinov does not exist. It is Kishinyov, with the soft N.

Greeting from the brotherly Serbia! Zhix 12:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I think that there's anti-unification amendment in Moldova constitution. Something like: "If Moldova unites with Romania, Republic of Gagauzia has a right to be independent." I think it is better to preserve the territorial integrity of Moldova and find the acceptable solution for incorporation of Transnistria than to re-unify with Romania, but with hard consequences... I think that Romania should help Moldova finding solution, because EU will not talk too much with the country that does not control its territory. And then you should help your brothers with economy, culture etc. I've heard that they once again speak and listen Russian, on TV and the streets in Chisinau, so it will be forever a multicultural region, which is not so bad. Remember Ireland! They might hate the English, but they speak the language of the occupying state! English is official in Ireland, although they have been independent for 1 century. The cultural influence cannot be avoided, so you should not worry. Zhix 12:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, it looks nicer now, but still you somehow try to say that Cyrillic WAS used and not that it IS still used predominantly in some areas and by some people in all the other areas of Moldova. I will not try to make any changes now, but try to make some balanced version of that, even if you do hope that Cyrillic will disappear. I hope it will not. But I am afraid that for Romania it is too late. By the way, my grand-grandfather worked and lived in Romania and was shocked that Romanians use Latin script. He was convinced that it was some Vatican trick or plot. He said: "They forgot they are Orthodox, they write with Catholic letters. We are the only remained Vlachs now." He was truly disappointed. One more thing: he called himself ARMAN, which is a Serbian Vlach derivation of AROMAN, so he copuld not feel anything "Roman" in the word Arman, although it comes from this origin. I hope this is of some use for your understanding of history of Romanian nation and the close nations. Zhix 23:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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Was bs du?

Sage es mal, bis du Serbe aus Temishwara? was weist du uber Kosovo und die situation dort, das du so bemuhst. Es tut mir leid aber deine geleistet arbeit in Kosovo artikel les mich das denken. Du unterstutzs den bau der artiel so wie die serbischer propaander haben will und das hat uberhaupt nix zu tun mit Misplaced Pages. Dafurr brauch dir nicht viel zu sagen nur vergleiche die article uber Qipro. Die turkische teil is nicht mal anercant als getrente dagegen Kosovo is anerkan als protektoriat. Ah was soll du has ja nur die anwender name getauscht.

Ich bin nicht ganz sicher wer du bist, aber ich kann sagen dass ich kein Serbe bin und das Chris kein Serbisher Propagandist ist. Und ich komme nicht aus Temeschwar sondern aus dem Osten Rumäniens. Du sagst dass ich die aktuelle Version unterstütze weil sie Propaganda ist, aber in Wirklichkeit, mein einziges Ziel ist die Qualität dieses Artikels zu erheben. TSO1D 12:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the formatting fix

Heh, thanks for fixing this, I saw the numbers before I started my comment, but I fell into the old AfD routine of "...this is not a vote, so we don't number things..." — MrDolomite | Talk 14:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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Kosovo Liberation Army

Could you have a look at this article too, please - Ilir has been tag-team edit warring with Ferick (deleting cited refs for POV reasons). -- ChrisO 00:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Transnistria

I have registered under a user handle (to be able to create articles). We have been in the "I wipe yours-you wipe mine" encounter over the intro para for the Transnistria article. I wanted to point out that the USSR forces have been conducting their duties as peacekeepers, which, as I understand, draws allergy in Moldavia, Georgia and possibly some Middle Asia former USSR republics, wherever Russian peacekeeps are stationed. However, I believe if we put the statement that Pridnestrovye maintains its de-facto independence with assistance of Russia at the very top, it may appear biased, drawing forefront conslusion, that Russia is occupying the strip. Transnistria, however, has its own police & military. So while it's an open discussion what the role of Russian forces in the area is, it may be possibly proper to disclose the two sides of the story below, as opposed to inserting the disputed statement into the general description.

I'm sorry that we were firing at each other in that regard.

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Looks like the WW2 article is settling down a bit. Have a look and see what you think. By the way that poll went nowhere (thank goodness), as it was 50/50. Wallie 11:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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In addition to being part of La Francophonie, Moldova is also a member of the Latin Union. Note: In Misplaced Pages, this is a page in main namespace and not a category. - Mauco 14:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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Vino la pagina de discutii Transnistria

În 17 septembrie va fi referendum în Transnistria legat de independenţa regiunii. Cu această ocazie probabil multă lume va căuta pe Misplaced Pages informaţii despre Transnistria. Am încercat să adaug în articol nişte informaţii legate de acest referendum, anume:

- faptul că mai multe organizaţii antiseparatiste au lansat un apel la boicotare, considerînd referendumul "farsă"

- faptul că din 46 de ţări membre ale Consiliului Europei, 45 sînt împotriva recunoaşterii referendumului, numai RUsia are altă părere

- faptul că datele Comisiei Electorale Centrale din Tiraspol au fost schimbate în mod ciudat, anume numărul total de alegători s-a micşorat cu 7% faţă de 2005, ceea ce ridică suspiciuni asupra unei încercări de creştere artificială a prezenţei la vot prin raportarea unui număr mai mic de alegători înregistraţi.

Totdeauna am dat lincurile care dovedesc cele scrise de mine, n-am născocit nimic din burtă.

Userul Willian Mauco, care pare fan Tiraspol, mereu mi-a şters adăugirile. (vezi istoria paginii)

Puteţi vedea la pagina de discuţii Transnistria ce argumente a adus. Anume: ăia care cer boicotarea referendumului din Transnistria sînt foşti KGB-işti, că aşa zice o organizaţie rusească de analiză (a dat un linc pentru asta). Întîi a spus că respectivii nici nu sînt din Transnistria, ci doar din Basarabia, dar i-am dovedit că unii dintre semnatarii apelului la boicot sînt transnistreni. Am fost împăciuitor, i-am zis că n-are decît să adauge părerea organizaţiei ruseşti că antiseparatiştii sînt foşti KGBişti, că n-are decît să-i considere pe cei care vor boicotarea referendumului drept băieţi răi, dar faptul în sine, că s-a cerut boicotarea referendumului, trebuie menţionat. Degeaba, mereu mi s-au şters adăugirile - pentru celelalte 2 fapte nici n-a adus argumente.

A mai fost o adăugire care a şters-o, despre arestarea a 4 persoane din Transnistria care sînt împotriva separatismului (între timp li s-a dat drumul). În cazul ăsta am renunţat eu să mai insist pentru includerea informaţiei în articol (deşi informaţia e incontestabilă), tocmai fiindcă n-am vrut să mă cert prea mult.

În perioada asta cînd agenţiile de ştiri vor menţiona referendumul de la Tiraspol, se va citi articolul Transnistria în Misplaced Pages poate mai mult decît într-un an întreg. De aia acum e nevoie să existe în articol informaţii despre contestarea corectitudinii referendumului. Nu cer să se menţioneze ca adevăr absolut faptul că referendumul e incorect, ci doar că există unii (OSCE, 45 din 46 ţări ale Consiliului Europei, unele organizaţii din zonă şi din Basarabia) care consideră asta. Vă cer de aceea sprijinul ca să interveniţi pe pagina de discuţii Transnistria pentru a susţine rămînerea informaţiei în pagină şi să repuneţi informaţia atunci cînd Mauco o şterge (eu nu pot să verific chiar 24 de ore din 24). Evitaţi atacurile suburbane, păstraţi ton civilizat. mulţumesc.

Who is William Mauco Here is an article about a Misplaced Pages celebrity, William Mauco, and his relations with the International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty (ICDISS), an organisation "which seems to be a front organisation for a Kremlin-backed rogue statelet called Transdniestria" (quote from the article) http://0.bypass-filter.com/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Vkd2FyZGx1Y2FzLmJsb2dzcG90LmNvbS8yMDA2LzA4L2dvdGNoYS0yLmh0bWw%3D

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About Misplaced Pages user William Mauco

Please comment. Greier 17:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Votează contra ştergerii articolului Heaven of Transnistria

Împreună cu EvilAlex (un tip din Tighina - Transnistria) am creat un articol despre propaganda separatistă a Tiraspolului Heaven of Transnistria. I s-a cerut ştergerea. Te rog ajută-ne să păstrăm articolul, votînd contra ştergerii. Destul s-a şters din articolul principal Transnistria, Misplaced Pages e plină de propagandă a Tiraspolului, să avem măcar un articol care explică această propagandă--MariusM 18:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria -> Referendum -> Ukraine statement_Referendum_->_Ukraine_statement-2006-09-23T19:51:00.000Z">

You asked (in changelog): "→2006 referendum - as-> the (but why is that stmt there?))" Here is the answer: I have removed it before (here , for instance), with the justification that "The statement by Ukraine is neither more noteworthy or less noteworthy than a number of other statements in included in Transnistrian referendum, 2006" but another editor keeps adding it back in. I could not take it off again due to 3RR but there is thread which Khoikhoi started, see Talk:Transnistria#Referendum_section. Despite his suggestion of compromise, we still haven't reached agreement. I don't want to go to arbitration because it seems like such a dumb and trivial thing to argue over. - Mauco 19:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)_Referendum_->_Ukraine_statement"> _Referendum_->_Ukraine_statement">

Template:Romanian speaking states

De ce ai scos formatul? --Danutz

Lista se refară la locurile unde româna este oficială, e bine să avem un format sau chiar o categorie unde să fie strânse toate organizaţiile, teritoriile şi ţările vorbitoare de română. Din păcate subiectul e cotroversat şi nu putem să ne permitem să introducem decât ţările (resp. teritoriile organizaţiile) unde româna este vorbită ca limbă oficială. Ca ţări avem România şi Moldova, teritoriul ar fi deocamdată doar Voivodina, iar organizaţia Uniunea Latină (iar din 2007 şi Uniunea Europeană). E cumva ca şi lista de state de la "nation" din tabelul iniţial din pagina Romanian language. Am scos întrebarea de mai sus pusă presupun de bonaparte, şi am postat-o mai jos. Ar fi bine ca afirmaţiile să fie semnate. --Danutz

What are you moldovan or romanian?

Pridnestrovie.net

Since this is basically a discussion between you and me, I figured I would take it to your Talk page and not clutter up the vote in progress (or opinion-poll in progress, as it were, because we don't formally vote on links. The guidelines still apply). Of course, if you prefer to do it there, just copy-paste me back in. Your call.

First, "This site is a third party establishment with null credibility." It is actually a government site (and well, there are of course those who say that the government has null credibility), done with the HELP of a third party outfit will null credibility. That does make a small difference. You can see the statement at the end of this page http://www.pridnestrovie.net/aboutus.html (scroll down to "About this website"). If the site is not credible to you, and therefore their statement isn't either, then you can write to the PMR Ministry of Foreign Affairs or to the president's information service, or to the photographer who is providing their photos (he has two other links -- the photo sites. His name is Kramar and he is an Austrian journalist and press photographer who spends a lot of his time in Transnistria. I am currently in touch with him, at the request of user FrancisTyers, because we want to get some of these pictures under the GFDL so we here on Wiki could use them in our article and have a gallery on commons.)

Second, "its lack of qualitative substance that can be of use to anyone." I can only speak for myself, but I have used it many times for research. Especially the starting point for research. I can't remember how many times, but at least fifty times. Also on Misplaced Pages, for things like the naming decree. I have started over 100 stubs on names and locations, and the vast majority of them got their starting info from Pridnestrovie.net which I of course filtered the POV out of first. So I think that for some purposes the site can be of use to someone. In fact, within the last week, we turned to it several times with other users, for instance to discuss Article 14 of their constitution. They have some maps which are hard to get elsewhere. It also contains the largest photo gallery ever from Transnistria (around 400 photos and all of them in the public domain, licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License). There are all points of merit which speak for the inclusion of this site, as long as we clearly label it POV.

I guess that what I am trying to say is that you should probably reconsider, all things considered (no pun intended). - Mauco 02:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is. And thanks for the quick answer. I agree with most of your analysis. I especially note the two cardinal sins of exaggerated generalizations and taking statements of credible sources out of context. This is so "Soviet", well, actually ... worse than Soviet. It is Enver Hoxha Albanian, or something you would see from North Korea. But the thing is, what are they gaining with that? They are hurting themselves because anyone who is interested enough in Transnistria to want to seek more information about the subject will already have at least a basic idea before arriving at a site like http://www.pridnestrovie.net and most likely is of above-average intelligence and certainly interested in things like geopolitics, ect. He can not be deceived by crude propaganda. The smarter propaganda, like RFE/RL that FrancisTyers says he doesn't like, is much more subtle. A site like pridnestrovie.net is no doubt a huge hit in Tiraspol because you can read Olvia and it is the same cheerleading prose. But due to all the out-of-context quotes and over the top claims, most readers will just "tune out" altogether and close the browser window. I don't know their stats but I am sure that they don't get a lot of repeat visits. Having said all of that, see my somewhat limited defense of it above because it also has some good points. - Mauco 03:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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Tiraspol times and Khozyain

I am flattered that they borrowed from our work here on Misplaced Pages!!! It shows that what we are doing is "spot on". Anyway, I started looking at some of their other articles, and I am finding many other phrases which are identical (verbatim) to what is available here. Especially in the article which I wrote about the Joint Control Commission. I am not offended, because in the referendum coverage, the same thing happened with other news sources. I recall Associated Press did that with much of the intro from the main Transnistria article. Some others (I can't recall, but I think it was the Christian Science Monitor) did the same thing in a part which summed up the conflict. I got an email from someone at Tiraspol Times yesterday and was invited to write for them (an opinion column) but I have not yet decided if I want to do it or not. - Mauco 15:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ce-i greu de priceput aici? Aceaşi persoană lucrează şi pentru Tiraspol Times şi pentru Misplaced Pages, de aia articolele sînt identice. Atîta doar că Misplaced Pages nu plăteşte prea bine. Tiraspol Times se axează pe prezenţă web, nu are reclame şi nici nu cîştigă din vînzarea ziarului, dar bani au, fii sigur.--MariusM 11:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that was - in part - the gist of TSO1D's concern. Anyway, the same thing happened to others (including Mikka, which we have established beyond a doubt), and maybe even to some of TSO1D's comments, so now I guess that we are just all part of the same vicious KGB conspiracy. The more sane explanation, of course, is that Misplaced Pages is one of the top resources on the web for factual, unbiased and filtered (mostly fact-checked) information so it is a great resource for any journalist. Especially for a journalist working on arcane subjects where very little info is available elsewhere, such as the Joint Control Commission or the significance of the word Khozyain. I am really, seriously flattered beyond belief that our work is so good that it is used by professionals. And, if that wasn't enough, the whole conspiracy theory is also easily laid to rest by just comparing the dates (in the Misplaced Pages log, and on the Tiraspol Times bylines)... - Mauco 14:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Iar marmota împachetează ciocolata în staniol.--MariusM 09:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

loooool :) Apropo Marius, in legatura cu votatul link-urilor: sincer cred ca e o pierdere de timp. Singurul site care il accept, ca site oficial al regimului, e pridnestrovie.net. Si nu ca site de referinta, sau ca sursa de opinii pentru "the Transdniestria side", ci ca adresa virtuala a regimului. Atata tot. Toate celelalte (tiraspoltimes.com, visitpmr.com) trebuiesc sterse. Tot ce e creat de ICDISS trebuieste sters. Votul ala e chiar penibil atata timp cand toate aceste site-uri (inclusiv pridnestrovie.net si icdiss.org) au acelasi registrant (ICDISS), sunt gazduite pe acelasi server (Mexico City), si au acelasi IP (Letonia). Mauco chiar ne crede prosti? De ce nu spune cine e, si unde lucreaza? La ce societate/institutie e angajat? Spune ca are doi copii: cu ce-i hraneste? Ce cauta toata ziua pe internet (nu numai wikipedia) si imprastie opinii pro-Smirnov si linkuri catre site-urile alea? De pe use page-ul lui se vede ca e familiar si ca lucreaza in domeniul dreptului international. Eu atat as dori sa stiu: cine e el? Hai ca ma opresc, ca iar vb. prea mult... 11:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry to disappoint you, Greier (and by the way, why don't you sign your comments?) but all that ICDISS stuff is their business and I am not affiliated with them. I had some brief contact with them in the spring, just like I am in contact with almost everyone else who works on issues of conflict resolution in Transnistria (both sides - pro and con). After that, I have not answered any of their emails or had anything else to do with them. Besides, I am not pro-Smirnov. I think he is a peasant. If I could vote there, I'd not vote for him. - Mauco 13:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't bash the peasants :). TSO1D 22:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you ever hang out at http://www.forum.tiraspol.net/? There's some pretty lively discussion there. If you think that our local Misplaced Pages mudslinging is bad, try that forum - it is ten times worse. Do a search on the word peasant and you will see how often it comes up in reference to Smirnov. The funniest thing is that those who use that word most are posters from Tiraspol and other parts of Transnistria. (In fairness, I should say that the Moldovans call him bad things, too. Actually, even worse than "peasant"). - Mauco 23:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Mauco, as TSO1D page is a good place for discussion between us, I make a confession: I hanged at http://forum.tiraspol.net and wrote commentaries in English and Romanian. Most of my commentaries were deleted and I was blocked. So, it's like at Misplaced Pages, censorship is present (however, I was not yet blocked at Misplaced Pages).--MariusM 09:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The admins would probably delete English comments after the third one simply because they can't read them and think it is automatic spam. If you do that a lot, and don't heed the warnings, I am sure you will get blocked because they think you are a spambot. Spam for casinos and penis pills on lots of php boards, not just there. They don't delete the Romanian comments, however. If you read the forum, you will see that most of the comments are very critical. This is why I can without a doubt state that there is "pretty lively discussion" there. If there wasn't, the forum would die out. But as you can tell, it has hundreds of thousands of posts. It is a good resource for insight into dissidence. There are many participants from Moldova and Romania. Their comments are never edited or deleted. The exception is if they engage in personal attacks (the same policy is in place in Misplaced Pages, by the way). In that case, they get 3 warnings. The number of warnings a user gets is shown next to his username. What is your username on the forum, so I can look you up, see what you got your warnings for, and ask an admin to reinstate you? Unless you have gotten 3 public warnings you are not banned or blocked. I know the forum well and am familiar with their policies. - Mauco 13:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Mai da e culmea omul asta!!!! M-a disperat cu toate raspunsurile lui selective si evazive, si cu discursurile apologetice. Ba ca nu exista propaganda, ba a vorbit cu nu stiu ce reporter, ba ca n-are nici o treaba cu nimeni si nimic (the BIG coincidence despre care vorbeam), ba ca nu stiu ce, ba ca nu-i asa, ba ca el stie si tu nu stii... Parca-i Dinu Patriciu... Greier 17:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

This comment is actually an improvement for Greier. He has called me worse things in the past. Merely being an apologist for Transnistria is a step up for me from some of the epithats he has labelled me before. :-) Of course, we have to respectfully agree to disagree on his characterizations... - Mauco 20:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

William, I did in fact go to the tiraspol.net site, but I only participate their rarely due to my difficulties in writing in Russian and the great ideological gap that I feel separates me from most users of that forum. Although the board does include diverse views, those of the majority are generally of a Pro-Russian or Anti-Romanian and Anti-Moldovan tone that I often find too extreme. I understand that forums on the other side, such as YAM are perhaps biased to a comparable extreme in the other direction (though I tend to think they are significantly closer to the mainstream), but some of the comments I read are of such a negative and exaggerated nature that I cannot absorb the information as I am dismayed at the tone it was presented in. Also, many of discussions are punctuated by trolls who make inflamatory remarks just to incite the more extermist representatives of both sides, at which point the discussion becomes one long series of insults and curses thrown back and forth. TSO1D 02:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

How right you are. These are my thoughts exactly. Note: http://www.nr2.ru/pmr/ has comments, too. On some of the political articles you can find nuggets of insightful commentary. It takes some hunting, but it is generally of a higher caliber although there is a lot less of it. - Mauco 04:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

forum.tiraspol.net

I am not sure that I am doing a good thing, as Mauco will be able to search for my e-mail address that, for privacy reasons, I chosed not to be available at Misplaced Pages. However, I take the risk and give here an example of forum.tiraspol.net democracy: deletion of an article that I copied from conflict.md in both English and Russian (while I am not good at Russian language, I am excelent in making copy + paste Russian articles).

Subject: Предупреждение

ВНИМАНИЕ! ВАМ 2-Е ПРЕДУПРЕЖДЕНИЕ ИЗ 3 НА ФОРУМЕ - www.forum.tiraspol.net**************************************************** Уважаемый пользователь, ***(name)!

Администратор Buka предупреждает Вас о корректности Ваших реплик на форуме www.forum.tiraspol.net и в частности этой:

Tiraspol, September 12 ( INFOTAG ). The electorate in Transnistria is diminishing rapidly. According to the region's Central Electoral Commission, in August 2005 there were 418.5 thousand names on voter registers. At the moment, the number of voters is only 390 thousand.

Commission chairman Peter Denisenko told a news conference here on Monday that since this past August 1 only, the electorate has shrunk by another 3 thousand people. Due to such losses, the ballot papers for the September 17 independence referendum had to be reprinted 3 times recently. The chief reason to this is active migration of the local population, he said.

Denisenko announced that everything had been fully prepared to the referendum -- ballot papers delivered to all polling stations, voter rolls verified, and the stations ready to welcome those citizens who wish to vote before the referendum Sunday. The Commission has organized 2 special stations to serve citizens in correctional institutions and heavy patients in hospitals. Also, several stations have been open to the Transnistrians staying in the trans-border raions of Moldova and Ukraine.

http://conflict.md/stiri.php?ID=1392

ЭЛЕКТОРАЛЬНАЯ БАЗА ПРИДНЕСТРОВЬЯ СОКРАТИЛАСЬ ЗА ГОД НА 28 ТЫС. ЧЕЛОВЕК Тирасполь, 12 сентября ( ИНФОТАГ ). Электоральная база Приднестровья стремительно сокращается. Если в августе 2005 г. по данным местного ЦИКа она составляла 418,5 тыс. человек, то теперь - немногим более 390 тыс.

Как передал тираспольский корреспондент "ИНФОТАГ", в понедельник на пресс-конференции председатель ЦИКа Петр Денисенко признал, что "только с августа нынешнего года число имеющих право голоса в регионе уменьшилось на 3 тыс., из-за чего в ходе подготовки к референдуму 17 сентября списки приходилось перепечатывать три раза". Он объяснил сокращение числа избирателей "активной миграцией населения".

Глава Центризбиркома утверждает, что все готово к проведению референдума и началу досрочного голосования по нему.

"На участки уже доставлены бюллетени, они имеют пять степеней защиты, списки уточнены, мы готовы принять первых голосующих. ЦИКом организовано два специальных участка для людей, находящихся под следствием в пенитенциарных учреждениях и стационарных больных системы здравоохранения. Открыто и несколько избирательных участков для проживающих в приграничных с Приднестровьем районах Молдовы и Украины", - сказал он.

http://conflict.md/stiri.php?ID=1383

It seems that Smirnov's boys already started the preparations of referendum's results. As pro-moldovan voters will not participate, reducing the total number of registered voters is a way to increase the percentage of presence in the referendum.------------------------ С уважением, администрация форума www.forum.tiraspol.net

In fact, I made the same assumption that electorate shrinkage is linked with referendum vote falsification that I wanted to include in Misplaced Pages's articles, where Mauco prevented me to do this.

They deleted also Romanian language comments, sometimes without giving me warnings, and at the end they blocked me. I didn't insult anybody. Once, somebody called me "rumînski pedofil" - I don't understand what this mean, as I don't speak Russian. Other times they didn't delete my comments, only blocked any more replies on them, which results in comments falling down quickly on the second page, where nobody reads them.--MariusM 15:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, TSO1D! I've been googling around and stumbled onto this thing here (hey, did you know that Google ranks your talk page 4th when seaching for "13 august tiraspol" in English?). Anyways, I'd like to reply to Marius here, as I've visited that forum before. Hope you don't mind. :-)

Marius, the forum is Russian-speaking, so any foreign language entries are deleted. I suspect you were considered to be flooding, as linking an article with a short comment is usually the proper way to go. There are other anti-PMR users there, like Desigur who are quite active. There are also plenty of trolls on both sides, so flaming can be expected. I suspect, the message with "rumînski pedofil" was removed? ;) --Illythr 13:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria crime/smuggling

TSO1D, would you have time to start a sandbox with me in order to work on a proposal for a rewrite of the crime/smuggling section for Transnistria? We have both participated in edits there in the recent past and I would prefer doing this with you, rather than doing it alone. For some background, see what I proposed to Bogdan, where you are mentioned too: - Mauco 02:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kosovo

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

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For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, 03:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)