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Should this page be deleted or content merged?

Hi John, I'm going through and sorting out unsupported parameters using Infobox school and came across this page: Founder's Badge (Boys' Brigade in Malaysia). Is this even notable to have its own article on Misplaced Pages? Seems to be an award with one reference that comes to a page with "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria". Maybe the article should be deleted or at least content merged into Boys' Brigade in Malaysia. Don't think Infobox school is the right infobox to use, maybe Infobox award? Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I redirected it. John from Idegon (talk) 22:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:38, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletions

I don't fight proposed deletions bc it takes too much work. Appreciate it, if you could clean up all the dead links.

Cheers,

Koncurrentkat (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please see the note at the top of the page. John from Idegon (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't fight proposed deletions bc it takes too much work. Appreciate it, if you could clean up all the dead links that get created as a result.

Cheers, Koncurrentkat (talk) 01:43, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

And that's supposed to clear it up? I still have no idea what you are talking about. I can read, so what the hell was the point of simply repeating exactly what you said before? I don't appreciate people who waste my time. Since you've asked me to do something (twice), don't you think it would be appropriate to provide a link to whatever it is you are talking about? John from Idegon (talk) 01:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Dead links get left behind after a page gets deleted Koncurrentkat (talk) 02:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Are you always this narcissistic? I have no idea what damn article you are talking about! John from Idegon (talk) 06:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Koncurrentkat: If you want to discuss a particular article/page it helps to provide a link. Are you referring to Tony Venhuizen? Also, "dead links" is commonly used when discussing WP:DEADREF. Any links to external website are automatically deleted when an article/page is deleted. My guess is that you're referring to WP:REDLINK. You are correct in that these will not be deleted per se, since they are technically located in other articles; a red link, however, does not automatically need to be deleted per WP:REDYES. When it does all that sometimes needs to be done is to remove the link markup. If you're worried about any redlinks being left behind if the article is deleted then (1) you can try and address the reasons why the article is being proposed for deletion by trying to improve it per WP:PRESERVE or (2) refer to Special:WhatLinksHere/Tony Venhuizen and proactively cleanup any possible redlinks yourself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:49, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

My page got reviewed, does this mean it gets to stay? Other pages have similar notability credentials Dusty Johnson (chief of staff to Governor of South Dakota) and Harvey C. Jewett IV (South Dakota Board of Regents member). Tony Venhuizen has both chief of staff and SD Board of Regents. Also I believe John from Idgeon has reviewed a previous appointee page of mine James E. McMahon. Maybe none of them qualify for notability :( Koncurrentkat (talk) 19:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

McMahon is a federal appointee to a non staff position. He's definitely notable. Jewett is possibly notable for his business position and may meet GNG. I'm going to prod Johnson. Suggest you familiarize yourself better with WP:BLP prior to creating any more articles. John from Idegon (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Just as long as the dead links get cleared up. Elected South Dakota Public Utilities Commission members get deleted? You'll need to prod articles such as Chris Nelson (politician) and Kristie Fiegen also. Suggest you familiarize yourself better with WP:BLP prior to prodding any more articles. Koncurrentkat (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

As long as you do it, they will. Goodbye. John from Idegon (talk) 22:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

You say goodbye while I say hello Koncurrentkat (talk) 02:11, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Deprod: Schuler Books & Music

Hello, I have deprodded Schuler Books & Music, because it has previously survived an AfD. I only did this to comply with policy and have no prejudice one way or the other on the merits of the deletion nomination. If you still wish to pursue deletion, please feel free to open another AfD. Thanks, —KuyaBriBri 14:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Westmount Charter School

Why was the 2008 incident section removed? It's not really news, it's kind of the history of the school.

—FibonacciYYC

FibonacciYYC, did you actually read the link WP:NOTNEWS? On what basis do you contend that an event that occupied a couple hours on one day and was not noted by any sources outside the local area is history? See WP:RECENT for guidance. The event's importance to people associated with this school is not relevant. John from Idegon (talk) 20:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I did. I realize now that I am completely wrong and I am a failure. Sorry that you had to suffer from this cruel post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FibonacciYYC (talk • contribs) 20:45, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

BRD?

What is BRD? Also I've edited on a lot of school articles over the years. It's a public high school...so it should be changed to that in the infobox. Why is this a debate? A high school is a secondary school with a specific grade range. And we can directly link it to secondary eduataion in the United States as we do with other articles. I've dont his dozens of times over and have had no problems until now...Banan14kab (talk) 23:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Hi Banan14ab. "BRD" probably refers to WP:BRD. Basically, you're WP:BOLD and make an edit which is subsequently WP:REVERTed by another editor. At that point, you're expected to try and engage the other editor in WP:DISCUSS on the article's talk page to try and resolve things. Sometimes you make an edit and the revert comes almost immediately; other times some time passes before it happen. So, unless you will to claim that the revert was a case of obvious vandalism (be careful per WP:NOTVANDAL, then you should discuss. Just for reference, WP:CONTENTAGE does not mean something added even years ago should be kept. Also, WP:OTHERCONTENT does not mean just because similar content can be wide in other articles that it should be found in all articles. If John removed some content you added, then he probably did it for a reason and not just to play vandal for a day. So, now you should discuss things with him on the relevant article talk page. This will keep everything in one place and make it easier for other editors to participate in the discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

What CONTENTAGE says is that it's reasonable to assume a consensus for material that has been in the article for a long time, but consensus can change. In other words, that alone was sufficient grounds for my original revert. It wouldn't be a necessarily persuasive argument in the ensuing discussion about a change.

One of the requirements of a feature article on Misplaced Pages is stability. If cosmetic details are in dispute (and it would be difficult to characterize this as anything but that. The terms are pretty close to synonymous and your choice is simply a wikilink to the stable version's article), an article cannot become a feature article (see WP:FA). The article at hand here is not now not will it ever be, a featured article. However, it is in the top five right now for page hits due to the recent unfortunate event. Making simple cosmetic changes is not appropriate at the moment. The fact is, you didn't link to secondary education in the US, you linked to a redirect of the original term. High school is fundamentally a US/Canada usage. In the vast majority of the world, a terminal school is not generally referred to as a high school (interestingly, in China, what we call a high school is called a middle school, as it is in the middle between basic and higher education). This article is getting a lot of attention, much from outside the US. It's kind of a reverse WP:ENGVAR situation. Generally, a US subject should be written in US English. But right now, so much international attention is focused on the subject that a more generic, yet still accurate, term should be used.

So my basic argument is that change for the simple reason of uniformity (something I generally favor) is not appropriate at the moment. Two weeks ago, I would not have reverted your change. Likely two months from now, I also wouldn't. Stability matters; especially when the change is strictly cosmetic.

Lastly,please don't make arguments from authority especially without the established authority. You've edited lots of school articles over the years and done this dozens of times? Banan14kab, I've got more US high schools on my watch list than you have total edits. I make more edits in two months than you have in nine years. I'm the only US coordinator of WP:WPSCH. That in itself does not make me right and you wrong, but that was essentially the crux of your argument. That's certainly an argument to avoid. Back in the day, a wise man told me "don't bring a knife to a gunfight". If you wish to carry this further, as Marchjuly told you, please do so at the article's talk. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 02:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)