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Suggestions for dealing with Tequendamia

I would love to help, but I am probably not the best candidate because I need to sleep right now (It's 1:30 am where I live) and I have only a superficial knowledge of India. However, I would make two suggestions based on my review of the dispute:

1. If he is adding information to the wrong articles, try directing him to a relavent page where he can add the information. Caste, perhaps? It appears to have sections for various countries. Some of his information is referenced and would merit inclusion somewhere.
2. Try refactoring his additions to articles into neutral prose rather than using whole-sale reversion. This may be irksome to you in cases where you disagree with his statements, but if you are able to rewrite his POV-laden statements into neutral ones, it should simultaneously improve the article's comprehensiveness, calm him down, and improve your own ability to disasssociate yourself emotionally from the subject matter. It would similarly be good of you to stop removing his talk page comments. It will simply escalate the dispute by angering him.

Best of luck to you, the best way to deal with people like him is to stop viewing them as opponents and instead attempt to work with their contributions, insisting on sources but allowing their sourced information into the articles after it is neturally rewritten. By doing this, you will hopefully be able to train them in neutral writing so that they become a valuable contributor, rather than alienating them. I'll also leave a note by Teq's talk page before I go to bed. --tjstrf 08:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Barrani is a historian not a Cleric

Barrani's two books are still read for Indian Medieval history in universities: Barani, Ziauddin Tarikh-I-Firuzshahi, Barani, Ziauddin Fatawa-I-Jahandari, TerryJ-Ho 10:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for WP:3RR violation

Gwernol 13:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

unblock

{{unblock reviewed|I think there has been a misunderstanding again. I did not commit 3RR on Indian caste system. Not a single edit of mine was a revert.Point of fact, the user User:Tequendamia violated 3RR. Not a single one of my edits were reverts, and in the talk page of the article I was reverting HIS vandalism of my edits which he was unilaterally deleting.Please see my talk page for a summary of my diffs, not a single one is a revert. This user refused to discuss with me despite my pleas to talk to him and was even admonished by an admin.Please understand I was not violating 3RR|see below}}

My diffs:

No I have not.I am very careful not to violate 3RR EVER!I rarely even violate 1RR unless it's overt vandalism.

None of the diffs beyond my first revert for the day were reverts. See for yourself:

Not a revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81970320&oldid=81968853

Not a revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81972522&oldid=81970739

Terry's reverts lie between these diffs.

In fact, it was User:TerryJ-Ho who started the reverting of my extremely well-sourced edits with a summary that shows clear WP:NOR violation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81969852&oldid=81968853

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81971875&oldid=81970739

Both of his (not mine) edits are bad faith reverts of my sourced edits with his dubious assertions and attributions to sources that don;t contain the things he says they do.

Plus, latter edit diffs:

Not one revert among these: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81988861&oldid=81986851

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81989280&oldid=81988861

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81989709&oldid=81989280

In contrast, all of Teq's edits WERE revertsHkelkar 13:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm declining to unblock. Looking through the diffs, you removed the "racism" category 4 times. Although you also added new categories, that's a revert-based edit war, which is what the 3RR really refers to. You're right that Tequemandia was violating the 3RR, but he has also been blocked for it. Mangojuice 13:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

yes but he evaded the block with a sock. WP:Sock Puppetry says that his block timer should be reset but it has not been.Hkelkar 14:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|Per discussion on irc, I now formally apologize for violating 3RR and beg the admins to consider my case as I have been very respectful of ] ] and ] and have spent close to 6 hours a week in library doing research for my edits to wikipedia and got upset when (I felt) vandal users undid all my edits and replaced them with offensive content.Please forgive me for I lost my cool.}}Hkelkar 14:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith in your case. I have your word that you will not be breaching WP:1RR on a single article. Discussion on talk pages is always a better way to resolve disputes. In case you have a problem with another user, you could try Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution or contact another user/administrator who has been regularly contributing on the topic or might be knowledgeable on the subject. Please assume good faith while dealing with other editors. — Nearly Headless Nick 14:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I still appear to be blockedHkelkar 14:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You will not be editing the articles on which you were blocked for WP:3RR or any other related articles for a period of 21 hours. Thank you. — Nearly Headless Nick 14:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Your perspectives

You claim to be Jewish, however, you're as defensive of Hinduism and accusatory of anti-Semitism as User:Shiva's Trident. Another reason why I still believe you're the same person. BhaiSaab 16:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What you think is inconsequential to meHkelkar 16:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! BhaiSaab 16:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello dear user BhaiSaab. I totally agree with you ! I've been also accused of antisemitism by Hkelkar (see my user talk page on ) simply because I used the word 'neocon'. But the funniest of all is that User:Shiva's Trident (also known under the name Netaji) introduces himself as neocon !. May be it's time to settle that case once and for all. We can mail-exchange info if you like. All the best and congratulations for your win. TwoHorned 17:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see who "wins".Hkelkar 17:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

anti-hindu pics

i will see if i can arrange some GDFL pics. Btw, do you know how to read urdu.nids(♂) 23:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really, but the tv picture was captioned in English. However, I have friends who can read Urdu so I can verify translations.Hkelkar 09:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Movement

HKelkar you can certainly give positive OR negative inputs but please don't revert SOURCED edits of others. The whole article Indian Buddhist Movement from first line shows references and links. Ambedkaritebuddhist 10:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed them because they were partisan and doubtful per WP:RS. YOU removed MY edits DESPITE that fact that were ourced by NON-PARTISAN periodical "The-Week" and not some Neo-Buddhit mouthpeice.Hkelkar 10:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The link of The-Week? I don't know whos mouthpeice is it? If it is related to Buddhists in India and value add to the article then we can put that link. Ambedkaritebuddhist 14:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

India dont have any neo-Buddhists but have few BUDDHISTs

HKelkar what is neo-Buddhist population? Where do we find details about their population? Because now-a-days in USA/Europe and India many people are converting to Buddhism because of its Prajna (Understanding), Love and Peace loving nature. But all these people are called as Buddhist. There are philosohpically different schools but the Buddhist world is united. About India before making any comment please go through the OFFICIAL INDIAN GOVERNMENT DATA about Buddhist population in India. Census of India 2001 DATA ON RELIGION Accept legal things only. Misplaced Pages believes in FACTS! Brush up bacis knowledge about Buddhist Population in India and also growing numbers. MY COUNTRY INDIA counts population Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains few other religions also but not neo-Buddhists. Where are these people? There is also another category known as Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes who constitutes approx. 25% population of whole India. These SC/ST majority illeterate very poor, oppressed people are branded as Hindus! Some of these SC/ST people are Ambedkarites but they are also Hindus. SC/STs are NOT called as Buddhists!! That is why Buddhist population in India is only around 0.8% or less. But it is continuously growing because of religious conversion such as 14th Oct. 2006 events. There might be some anti-Buddhist mothpiece but MY COUNTRY INDIA gives details about Buddhist in India. Brush up your knowledge about Buddhist Movement in India. Understand the difference between different religions and then write. Your inputs are always welcome. Ambedkaritebuddhist 14:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Please read about paranoia and Cult (religious practice).Hkelkar 00:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Buddhists are part of a pattern that will lead to more NLFT's.Hkelkar 09:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

What is this Neo-Buddhist? Improve your knowledge about India and Indian Buddhist Movement. Read offical statistics and not junk available here and there.

Hkelkar you are branding Indian Buddhists terorrists like NLFT?? This is a serious point and I'll complain to Administrators. I have noted your point and anti-Buddhist sentiments even you equated peaceful Indian Buddhist with Militants of Tripura Ambedkaritebuddhist 17:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Mediator

Okay, fine. It has to be a mediator that has not interacted with either of us in the past though. BhaiSaab 18:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Tipu Sultan advocacy

Hello again - I have (at last!) finalised my opinions on this case - see Talk:Tipu Sultan - I have tried to keep it fair, and offer advice to help the article move on - if I see blatant problems again in future by the editors involved, I will make more directed comments. Would you like to ocnsider the advocacy case closed for the time being? (I will, of course, always be available to help with anything :)) Thanks, Martinp23 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, with respect to personal attacks against you, it may be helpful, if you have diffs, for you to report the problems to an admin (look on IRC) and mention the RFCU case, after which the admin may decide to block all the socks, if the PA's are serious/sustained enough. Martinp23 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all, I'll be happy to help - I have the article on my watchlist (I will be unavailable over the weekend, but if anything happens, I'll take a look at it on my return). Thanks being a good advocee (even in quite a difficult case (especially at the start)). Martinp23 19:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Just as a reminder, (this is by no means compulsary) you can fill out, if you wish, the followup section of your AMA request at Misplaced Pages:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/September 2006/Hkelkar. Please feel free to do this, and don't feel any pressure to do ti at all :) thanks, Martinp23 19:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:

Apart from the fact that that edit wasn't vandalism, the user's account was created on the 12th October. . -- Steel 20:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Punctuation according to references

I would like to remind you that a period or comma goes before the reference, not after. Thanks, and please remember this when editing. Mar de Sin 22:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

My apologies.

For reverting an article, it was an accident. --SonicChao 23:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Your last message

Template:Agf1 regarding this editTerryJ-Ho 00:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Serge is an Islamophobe. BhaiSaab 03:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahmadinejad

I think he's an awesome guy. BhaiSaab 01:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooooooooooooh! I'm so scared!I hope he is as awesome when he tries to "wipe Israel off the map" and gets blasted into a hole in the ground.Hkelkar 01:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Israel shouldn't be on the map in the first place. BhaiSaab 01:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see who tries to harm Israel. Israel is too prosperous, wealthy and successful to be threatened by some mad mullah.Israel has first world technology, art, science. Israel doesn't ram planes into buildings or behead journalists on television. No medeival dump with a theocratic mullah running things can be a threat to the holy land. Nor any other Arab/Persian/whatever country for that matter.Hkelkar 01:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Israeli prosperity is a result of leeching off the United States. BhaiSaab 01:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, we still win. You still lose.Hkelkar 01:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like there is a post on WP:ANI discussing this. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Dalit

"Raj's claim of a teeming and oppressed populace eager to convert to Buddhism appears fragile at best." This doesn't criticize the conversions - it criticizes Raj's claim. There's a difference. BhaiSaab 01:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm good with that. BhaiSaab 01:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Jerusalem Massacre

Click me. BhaiSaab 02:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

12 hr block

I think that your comments on TerryJ-Ho's talk page claiming that he sees you as an infidel have overstepped the mark. That implies that the other user is a jihadi. Seeing as you have been numerously warned this week to tone down your aggressive behaviour, you have been blocked. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I have heard that you are an Indian Jew. Thats so interesting! How do you differ from mainstream Judaism? Do you also incorperate Hindu beliefs? Gizza 02:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well there are several small Jewish communities in India. I myself am essentially Konkani, but a Sephardic (Baghdadi) Jew on my Mother's side. She is descended from Iraqi immigrants and her family has been in Mumbai since the 19th century (not to be confused with the Beni Yisrael Jews who have been around for longer). My last name is derived from my father, who is a Hindu, as I'm sure you have guessed. My father's family are very devout worshippers of Krishna and also observe Ganesh Chaturthi..

I personally have not been a very observant Jew as such in the past, though I am learning more now. I did go to the Kenesseth Eliyahu (Bombay synagogue in Fort near Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus station) during High Holy days etc. Minyanim was always there though (at least 10 male clerics).

Regarding observance of Judaism, it is a complex matter. We follow the Commandments and the code of Moshe. While we are not strictly Orthodox (though some Indian Jews are, which is a recent development, long story there), we do follow some traditional practices like Daf Yomi (reading from Talmud), Dietary Laws (hoofed cud-chewing animals only, bled per Kashrut ), Shulchan Aruch (post-Talmudic Halakha laws) and regard the Gemara (which is like the Jewish "Upanishad" of sorts,, basically Rabbinical analysis of the Mishna of Talmud), among others.

Some Desi Jews have adopted Hindu customs over the years (like burning the dead etc.). We mostly dress like any normal Bombayite, including traditionals like Kurta-Pajama for men, Sari-Dupattaa for women etc so we adopted those too :) .

We do have an ideological connection with Israel.It was the fount of Judaism and we are happy that it has been repatriated. Some Bombay Jews are politically left-leaning (my mum is a Congress supporter) though I support BJP. Hkelkar 04:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on BahiSaab Block on ANI

During partition of Pakistan and India, everyone was killing everyone. How come you use that event to anti-semantic? According to my knowledge Muslims are killed more than anyone else. --- ابراهيم 15:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Movement and Kelkars Serious comments

On the Indian Buddhist Movement article this user HKelkar equated peaceful Indian Buddhists with militants. Please read the whole talk page. Sample is as below:

Neo-Buddhists are part of a pattern that will lead to more NLFT's.Hkelkar 09:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar you are branding Indian Buddhists terorrists like NLFT?? This is a serious point and I'll complain to Administrators. I have noted your point and anti-Buddhist sentiments even you equated peaceful Indian Buddhist with Militants of Tripura. I request Administrators to BLOCK this user permanently Ambedkaritebuddhist 17:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

3RR on Khalistan

Do you wish to get blocked? — Nearly Headless Nick 18:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

All of my edits over the last 24 hrs were not reverts. The other user violated 3RR on Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and is edit-warring similarly on Khalistan. If you disagree then kindly point out my 3 diffs and I will undo my last revert.Hkelkar 18:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It is always good to discuss and solve the matter, buddy. — Nearly Headless Nick 18:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sir. I fully agree. However, he has refused to respond to my please for at least 3-4 days and continues to ePOV-push across wikipedia articles (see his POV-fork attempt on Bhindranwale here).I have tried to plead with him on his talk page. he violated 3RR on Bhindranwale and I reported him.Hkelkar 18:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That's good then. But you should not try to assume the responsibility of trying to keep POVs from all the India-related articles. The disputes will be resolved in time. And you don't need to call me "sir". My name is Anirudh. — Nearly Headless Nick 18:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you look into the matter of this User:Gstar4 guy? See his contribs for patterned disruption and POV-forking and 3RR violation on Khalistan which I have reported on ANI.Hkelkar 18:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I am on my way to bed. Perhaps you could ask User:Bhadani. — Nearly Headless Nick 18:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

Thanks for the heads up. I found it funny that someone hijacked Kipling's words as praise for Pakistan. Kipling's death predated the very begining of Pakistan, which automatically negates the possibility of him praising the 60 years old state. I'll see to it that they do not put Kipling's words back in. Freedom skies 19:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've put the tag on Achievements of Ancient Indian civilization. Freedom skies 20:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale

Thank you for your quick action. --IndianCow 20:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ind/Pak Nationalism

Which edits are you talking about? I dont see much discussion there recently where he's been involved. Sarvagnya 01:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

My reply :) Sarvagnya 05:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Tx

thanks for continuously giving me and others heads up. I think the H in your username means "Heads up". lol. :-) Idleguy 07:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Regarding this user

Don't worry: Gowda Hai Lowda (talk · contribs) has been blocked indefinitely. Thanks for the heads'-up. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 16:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Ambedkar article and Vandalism

HKelkar pls. see the InfoBox in my version and put back. You have removed most of the information from the box. Yout can revert your talk page always but instead of hiding vandalism better dont vandalise articles. Give positive inputs. You have received so many blocking messages. Ambedkaritebuddhist 17:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)