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| ::B: I don’t even understand the second objection. RfCs usually present two options, and you are welcome to suggest alternatives, as indeed people have. You don’t have to support either option. This has already been explained to you by another user on the article talk page. What must an RfC consist of to be valid, in your terms? ] (]) 15:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC) | ::B: I don’t even understand the second objection. RfCs usually present two options, and you are welcome to suggest alternatives, as indeed people have. You don’t have to support either option. This has already been explained to you by another user on the article talk page. What must an RfC consist of to be valid, in your terms? ] (]) 15:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
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The Requests for closure noticeboard is for posting requests to have an uninvolved editor assess, summarize, and formally close a discussion on Misplaced Pages. Formal closure by an uninvolved editor or administrator should be requested where consensus remains unclear, where the issue is a contentious one, or where there are wiki-wide implications, such as when the discussion is about creating, abolishing or changing a policy or guideline.
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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Sander.v.Ginkel
Would an admin assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Sander.v.Ginkel (Initiated 2508 days ago on 14 February 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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Template_talk:Infobox_venue#Tenants_field
(Initiated 2542 days ago on 11 January 2018) Would an experienced editor (ideally someone with template editor rights as the page is template protected) assess the consensus at Template_talk:Infobox_venue#Tenants_field please? Iffy★Chat -- 12:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Abkhazia#New RFC
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Abkhazia#New RFC (Initiated 2541 days ago on 12 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed date, is initiated 12 january 2018 Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:David Wolfe (entrepreneur)#RfC - Wolfe on cancer
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:David Wolfe (entrepreneur)#RfC - Wolfe on cancer (Initiated 2536 days ago on 17 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Carolina Nairne#WP:LASTNAME
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Talk:Carolina Nairne#WP:LASTNAME (Initiated 2536 days ago on 17 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style#Can we clarify what does and does not constitute 'strong national ties'?
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style#Can we clarify what does and does not constitute 'strong national ties'? (Initiated 2535 days ago on 18 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:2018 in science#RfC about sources for new entries
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:2018 in science#RfC about sources for new entries (Initiated 2534 days ago on 19 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Seth MacFarlane#Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Talk:Seth MacFarlane#Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018 (Initiated 2530 days ago on 23 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Alternative for Germany#Request for comment
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Alternative for Germany#Request for comment (Initiated 2530 days ago on 23 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Coachella Valley Church#RfC about the neutrality of this article
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Coachella Valley Church#RfC about the neutrality of this article (Initiated 2530 days ago on 23 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#RfC on use of "crore"
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#RfC on use of "crore" (Initiated 2529 days ago on 24 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done. Discussion on this matter still ongoing. The latest comment in this thread is dated 19:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC). I'd wait at least another week on this to be sure the discussion has actually concluded. -- llywrch (talk) 17:39, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Removed not done template since the bot archives the discussion if thet template is present. I'm fine with waiting a week before assessing the consensus. I've restored this close request from the archive to this board as it can be easily forgotten if it is moved to the archives. Cunard (talk) 08:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Music#Request For Comment about ranking charts on music articles
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Music#Request For Comment about ranking charts on music articles (Initiated 2529 days ago on 24 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:The Satanic Temple#RfC regarding Disambiguation
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:The Satanic Temple#RfC regarding Disambiguation (Initiated 2529 days ago on 24 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Noah_Oppenheim#RfC_on_decision_to_let_Weinstein_story_go
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Noah_Oppenheim#RfC_on_decision_to_let_Weinstein_story_go (Initiated 2524 days ago on 29 January 2018)? Thanks,BC1278 (talk) 17:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)BC1278
Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Criteria for inclusion in Births and Deaths sections of Misplaced Pages date articles
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Criteria for inclusion in Births and Deaths sections of Misplaced Pages date articles (Initiated 2525 days ago on 28 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 135#Worldwide (WW) release date in infobox
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 135#Worldwide (WW) release date in infobox (Initiated 2522 days ago on 31 January 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#RFC: Is “(anime)” a suitable disambiguator?
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#RFC: Is “(anime)” a suitable disambiguator? (Initiated 2521 days ago on 1 February 2018)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- FYI, this has been moved to the archive already - Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_141#RFC:_Is_“(anime)”_a_suitable_disambiguator?. No comments in several days. Still needs a closing statement though. -- Netoholic @ 05:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:List of Trump–Russia dossier allegations#Proposed Merge
(Initiated 2512 days ago on 10 February 2018) This has been going for two weeks and folks have stopped !voting. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:18, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:18, 24 February 2018 (UTC)requests for closure are preferred to be neutrally worded.~ Winged Blades 04:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm...@MjolnirPants:--I don't think that a snow-call is highly-appropriate in the circumstances and it might be better to wait for a few more days to evaluate the stagnation of the discussion and/or new participation.~ Winged Blades 04:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not asking for a snow close; If you check the page, I explicitly denied the possibility of a snow close. But it's still quite an obvious close, and folks seem to have stopped !voting (the last one was almost four days ago). By the way, next time I make commentary like that, you may feel free to treat it the same exact way I did with this edit, though your method was rather more considerate. I'd have split it up myself (and posted it as a comment near the end of the RfC, instead of here) except I'm tired and therefore, temporarily stupid. At least I hope it's temporary... <cue the ominous music> ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 04:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Winged Blades of Godric: It's been 4 more days without any !votes or even commentary. The last !vote was a week ago, do you think that's long enough? (Serious question; I'm not being at all sarcastic and will defer to your judgement here.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Agree. We need closure so we can move on. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:37, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Done O3000 (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Agree. We need closure so we can move on. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:37, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Winged Blades of Godric: It's been 4 more days without any !votes or even commentary. The last !vote was a week ago, do you think that's long enough? (Serious question; I'm not being at all sarcastic and will defer to your judgement here.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not asking for a snow close; If you check the page, I explicitly denied the possibility of a snow close. But it's still quite an obvious close, and folks seem to have stopped !voting (the last one was almost four days ago). By the way, next time I make commentary like that, you may feel free to treat it the same exact way I did with this edit, though your method was rather more considerate. I'd have split it up myself (and posted it as a comment near the end of the RfC, instead of here) except I'm tired and therefore, temporarily stupid. At least I hope it's temporary... <cue the ominous music> ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 04:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section
Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section? This RfC was only opened two days ago (by myself), but I feel the consensus is so overwhelming that I am justified in seeking to have this discussion closed so that we can move on. (Initiated 2494 days ago on 28 February 2018) L.R. Wormwood (talk) 13:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Objection. The person making the request is the person who started the RfC. I have not participated in it, myself -- because I think it is not a valid RfC. We are asked to choose between two versions selected by the OP; why does that individual get to determine the choices open to other editors? I agree the RfC can be closed -- on grounds of being invalid. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- A: I’m entitled to request closure (unless someone can point to a policy I’m not familiar with that proves otherwise).
- B: I don’t even understand the second objection. RfCs usually present two options, and you are welcome to suggest alternatives, as indeed people have. You don’t have to support either option. This has already been explained to you by another user on the article talk page. What must an RfC consist of to be valid, in your terms? L.R. Wormwood (talk) 15:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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Open since Feb 4. This is an easy one, consensus is prety clear, but would change policy so a formal close from an uninvolved user is in order. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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Talk:Notre Dame Cristo Rey High School#History
Editors are debating a smallish proposed addition to the History section. We would appreciate a Close from an uninvolved editor.– Lionel 03:01, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Pre- and post-nominals discussion needs reopening
This closure challenge on WP:AN has run its course and the tone of the discussion is moving in the wrong direction. Could an uninvolved administrator assess if the original closure needs to be reopened? BillHPike (talk, contribs) 16:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Transgender#Merge transsexual into transgender
Not sure how much longer the merge discussion should stay open. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Good point. That looks more than ready to be closed. (But it's a touchy topic, so I don't feel qualified to do it myself.) —BarrelProof (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2018 (UTC)