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| First, my vote count suggest 'no consensus' rather than preference delete (merge 1, Delete 6, Keep 7), so this should've been either relisted or, well, closed as 'no consensus'. Second, deleting admin (]) main rationale was the lack of English language sources, but so what? His opinion that " controversial issues in ] topic areas do require good sources in more than one (non-English) language in order to allow as many editors as possible, and not just a few or those possibly associated with one side of a conflict, to assess the content" is npt present at the AC/DS page. It is the closing's admin own view and goes against ]. If a controversial topic has no English sources, it doesn't matter, certainly it is not a sufficient reason for deletion. For cases where neutrality is disputed, ditto - we have {{tl|NPOV}} that suffices for tagging content disputes. The topic, i.e. 1939 massacre in the village of Brzostowica Mała, is notable, and verifiable with reliable sources (it has been discussed in books and academic articles plus Polish national media (ex. , ), through sources are almost exclusively Polish, one English source I found is an English language chapter/summary in a book ; it is worth noting several delete votes were from people who concluded that no English sources -> this didn't happen. There is no doubt the event did happen, ex. see souce cited before; plus Polish ] concluded an investigation into this, closed in 2005 due to lack of evidence - for who were the perps, but there was no doubt that approximately few dozen people were killed; sources: . Again, I can't believe the closing admin gave credence to the arguments like that). There is some controversy when it comes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators, but how to word such issues is a topic to discuss on the article's talk page (where there was an ongoing discussion, suddenly interrupted by the deletion). The delete arguments are sadly ]s, and I am surprised an experienced admin like Sandstein was swayed by them, and further, that he chose to ignore NOENG and de facto invented a new section of AC/DS (this is ArbCom's job, I think). Anyway, to summarize, the vote count does not support deletion, and this is a clear 'no consensus' case. The topic is ] and there is no valid reason to delete this article just because some involved editors are disagreeing about reliability of some sources, or other minor content issues. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC) | First, my vote count suggest 'no consensus' rather than preference delete (merge 1, Delete 6, Keep 7), so this should've been either relisted or, well, closed as 'no consensus'. Second, deleting admin (]) main rationale was the lack of English language sources, but so what? His opinion that " controversial issues in ] topic areas do require good sources in more than one (non-English) language in order to allow as many editors as possible, and not just a few or those possibly associated with one side of a conflict, to assess the content" is npt present at the AC/DS page. It is the closing's admin own view and goes against ]. If a controversial topic has no English sources, it doesn't matter, certainly it is not a sufficient reason for deletion. For cases where neutrality is disputed, ditto - we have {{tl|NPOV}} that suffices for tagging content disputes. The topic, i.e. 1939 massacre in the village of Brzostowica Mała, is notable, and verifiable with reliable sources (it has been discussed in books and academic articles plus Polish national media (ex. , ), through sources are almost exclusively Polish, one English source I found is an English language chapter/summary in a book ; it is worth noting several delete votes were from people who concluded that no English sources -> this didn't happen. There is no doubt the event did happen, ex. see souce cited before; plus Polish ] concluded an investigation into this, closed in 2005 due to lack of evidence - for who were the perps, but there was no doubt that approximately few dozen people were killed; sources: . Again, I can't believe the closing admin gave credence to the arguments like that). There is some controversy when it comes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators, but how to word such issues is a topic to discuss on the article's talk page (where there was an ongoing discussion, suddenly interrupted by the deletion). The delete arguments are sadly ]s, and I am surprised an experienced admin like Sandstein was swayed by them, and further, that he chose to ignore NOENG and de facto invented a new section of AC/DS (this is ArbCom's job, I think). Anyway, to summarize, the vote count does not support deletion, and this is a clear 'no consensus' case. The topic is ] and there is no valid reason to delete this article just because some involved editors are disagreeing about reliability of some sources, or other minor content issues. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
| *I refer to my comments in the closure and at ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:58, 23 March 2018 (UTC) | *I refer to my comments in the closure and at ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:58, 23 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
| :* Sandstein, please note that our ] about historian ] (controversy notwithstanding) was defaced by the AfD nominator himself, along with Poland's notable awards during this AfD. The AfD was marred by the use of online attack pages which actually look like jokes, with typefaces screaming at 400% normal size. This is an ANI issue of major proportions. The tag-teaming at the AfD was like a flashback from 10 years ago. Please consider this !vote a nominal request on my part, because I believe that in the deletion discussion the lack of consensus was interpreted incorrectly considering the above mentioned circumstances. ''']''' ] 19:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
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Massacre of Brzostowica Mała
First, my vote count suggest 'no consensus' rather than preference delete (merge 1, Delete 6, Keep 7), so this should've been either relisted or, well, closed as 'no consensus'. Second, deleting admin (User:Sandstein) main rationale was the lack of English language sources, but so what? His opinion that " controversial issues in WP:AC/DS topic areas do require good sources in more than one (non-English) language in order to allow as many editors as possible, and not just a few or those possibly associated with one side of a conflict, to assess the content" is npt present at the AC/DS page. It is the closing's admin own view and goes against WP:NOENG. If a controversial topic has no English sources, it doesn't matter, certainly it is not a sufficient reason for deletion. For cases where neutrality is disputed, ditto - we have {{NPOV}} that suffices for tagging content disputes. The topic, i.e. 1939 massacre in the village of Brzostowica Mała, is notable, and verifiable with reliable sources (it has been discussed in books and academic articles plus Polish national media (ex. , ), through sources are almost exclusively Polish, one English source I found is an English language chapter/summary in a book here; it is worth noting several delete votes were from people who concluded that no English sources -> this didn't happen. There is no doubt the event did happen, ex. see souce cited before; plus Polish Institute of National Remembrance concluded an investigation into this, closed in 2005 due to lack of evidence - for who were the perps, but there was no doubt that approximately few dozen people were killed; sources: . Again, I can't believe the closing admin gave credence to the arguments like that). There is some controversy when it comes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators, but how to word such issues is a topic to discuss on the article's talk page (where there was an ongoing discussion, suddenly interrupted by the deletion). The delete arguments are sadly WP:IDONTLIKEITs, and I am surprised an experienced admin like Sandstein was swayed by them, and further, that he chose to ignore NOENG and de facto invented a new section of AC/DS (this is ArbCom's job, I think). Anyway, to summarize, the vote count does not support deletion, and this is a clear 'no consensus' case. The topic is notable and there is no valid reason to delete this article just because some involved editors are disagreeing about reliability of some sources, or other minor content issues. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- I refer to my comments in the closure and at User talk:Sandstein#Wrong place. Sandstein 11:58, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Sandstein, please note that our WP:BIO about historian Marek Jan Chodakiewicz (controversy notwithstanding) was defaced by the AfD nominator himself, along with Poland's notable awards (anonymous source) during this AfD. The AfD was marred by the use of online attack pages which actually look like jokes, with typefaces screaming at 400% normal size. This is an ANI issue of major proportions. The tag-teaming at the AfD was like a flashback from 10 years ago. Please consider this !vote a nominal request on my part, because I believe that in the deletion discussion the lack of consensus was interpreted incorrectly considering the above mentioned circumstances. Poeticbent talk 19:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Dylan de Bruycker
Originally failed WP:NFOOTY which is no longer the case now since the subject has played for the senior Philippine national team (though not a "full" side, but the senior team nevertheless) in FIFA "A" international at the 2017 CTFA International Tournament (Source) and recently for a FIFA-sanctioned friendly against Fiji. (source). Hariboneagle927 (talk) 00:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- As closing admin, and as somebody completely disinterested in sports, I have no opinion to express. If this guy now meets whatever criteria are applicable, go ahead and recreate the article. Sandstein 10:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)