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| :I strongly disagree. It is not the preferred style, since City Island is not a city. It is an island, that is, a geographic feature. The policy in ] does ''not'' apply in this case. Geographic features, in my opinion, are must better designated by commas, since it avoids confusion with U.S. cities, and there a quite a few cases where geographic features straddle state boundaries. We have a long-established tradition of U.S. and Canadian rivers and lakes, for example, of using parentheses over the comma. Islands should be the same way, unless there is actually a city by the name that is coincident with the island itself. Neither Hart Island or City Island should have the comma, in my opinion, since there is no such municipality as "City Island, New York". If a comma is to be used, it should be ] in parallel with ] (the comma is conventional in neighborhoods). Using the comma with the state ] puts it into the false representation as a census-designated place in the United States, which it is not. "City Island, New York" is simply unacceptable by that standard.-- ] 17:39, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC) | :I strongly disagree. It is not the preferred style, since City Island is not a city. It is an island, that is, a geographic feature. The policy in ] does ''not'' apply in this case. Geographic features, in my opinion, are must better designated by commas, since it avoids confusion with U.S. cities, and there a quite a few cases where geographic features straddle state boundaries. We have a long-established tradition of U.S. and Canadian rivers and lakes, for example, of using parentheses over the comma. Islands should be the same way, unless there is actually a city by the name that is coincident with the island itself. Neither Hart Island or City Island should have the comma, in my opinion, since there is no such municipality as "City Island, New York". If a comma is to be used, it should be ] in parallel with ] (the comma is conventional in neighborhoods). Using the comma with the state ] puts it into the false representation as a census-designated place in the United States, which it is not. "City Island, New York" is simply unacceptable by that standard.-- ] 17:39, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC) | ||
| Hmmm. I was just trying to help, but it seems I stepped into a minefield by accident. I saw an inconsistency, asked for advice (on the helpdesk page, which you apparantly saw), and just followed that advice. In fact, I didn't even get a chance to follow the advice, ] stepped in and did it for me. I did however follow-up with similar changes to Hart Island, and High Island. | |||
| I'm a newcommer here. The last thing I want to do is get involved in a religious war between two old-timers, so I'm bowing out of this until you two can agree between yourselves what's right and what's wrong. | |||
Revision as of 18:50, 11 December 2004
This page has gone back and forth a few times between being called "City Island, New York", and "City Island (New York)". Please leave the title in the comma style, as that is the wikipedia preferred style. See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (city names).
- I strongly disagree. It is not the preferred style, since City Island is not a city. It is an island, that is, a geographic feature. The policy in Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (city names) does not apply in this case. Geographic features, in my opinion, are must better designated by commas, since it avoids confusion with U.S. cities, and there a quite a few cases where geographic features straddle state boundaries. We have a long-established tradition of U.S. and Canadian rivers and lakes, for example, of using parentheses over the comma. Islands should be the same way, unless there is actually a city by the name that is coincident with the island itself. Neither Hart Island or City Island should have the comma, in my opinion, since there is no such municipality as "City Island, New York". If a comma is to be used, it should be City Island, Bronx, New York in parallel with List of Bronx neighborhoods (the comma is conventional in neighborhoods). Using the comma with the state New York puts it into the false representation as a census-designated place in the United States, which it is not. "City Island, New York" is simply unacceptable by that standard.-- Decumanus 17:39, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
Hmmm. I was just trying to help, but it seems I stepped into a minefield by accident. I saw an inconsistency, asked for advice (on the helpdesk page, which you apparantly saw), and just followed that advice. In fact, I didn't even get a chance to follow the advice, User:Ferkelparade stepped in and did it for me. I did however follow-up with similar changes to Hart Island, and High Island.
I'm a newcommer here. The last thing I want to do is get involved in a religious war between two old-timers, so I'm bowing out of this until you two can agree between yourselves what's right and what's wrong.