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This article was nominated for deletion on 27 December 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Addition of more religious text and WP:BURDEN

I have just reverted the addition of yet another tract of religious text accompanied by exactly zero reliable secondary sources that discuss it. That is an ongoing problem with this article.

@Arsi786: Please avoid adding religious text without also including a discussion of the context — and that discussion must not be your own views or interpretation, but the views and interpretations properly attributed to reliable secondary sources, per Misplaced Pages editorial policies and guidelines WP:NPOV, WP:OR,WP:RS, and WP:BURDEN. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:37, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The expression qawwam is an intensive form of qa’im (‘one who is responsible for’ or ‘takes care of’ a thing or a person). Thus, qama ala I-mar’ah signifies ‘he undertook the maintenance of the woman’ or ‘he maintained her‘ (see Lane VIII, 2995). The grammatical form qawwam is more comprehensive than qa’im, and combines concepts of physical maintenance and protection as well as of moral responsibility‘ (Asad).” 9 Tafsir Ishraq Al-Ma’ani – Being A Quintessence Of Qur’anic Commentaries by Syed Iqbal Zaheer, VOL. II (Volume 2), page 236)

The hadith is self explanatory while i provided the verse which was posted was not translated properly so i gave a correct one alo the other hadiths have no explanations either.

~Arsi786 (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

In my revert there were two issues.

One was Quran 4:34, which you changed significantly without explanation. I have fixed the citation using the Misplaced Pages {{Cite Quran}} template to point at the actual translation it came from. The translation by Marmaduke Pickthall is the most concise translation and uses words that speak directly to the topic of domestic violence, which is the subject of this article.

The other problem was the addition of the hadith. No, it isn't self-explanatory. An encyclopedia article isn't an indiscriminate list of anything that might pertain to the article topic. If you want to include additional text, you need to accompany it with citations to reliable sources that discuss that specific hadith in the context of domestic violence. You didn't provide such sources, and we generally don't cite the WP:PRIMARYSOURCE without also citing scholarly discussion about the source. Until that context is provided, the hadith doesn't belong in this article about domestic violence. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Anachronist: How is it concise when he mistranslated the word and there other version who also use the word protector and my verse does not remove the beating part also pickhall uses the word scourge and not the beating one?

~Arsi786 (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Pickthall is (I believe) the most contemporary translation, and we tend to favor the works of more recent scholars when possible. However, I'm not really too concerned about which translation is used as long as it's relevant to this article. I won't object to you changing it again, as long as you also change the citation to point at the appropriate translation (the citation currently uses the parameter t=p for "translation=pickthall", so change that parameter accordingly).

My main concern was the addition of the hadith with your own personal commentary and no reference to any discussion by reliable secondary sources about the relevance to domestic violence in Islam. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

addition of Hadith along with secondary source that grades it sahih

I have added following with reference

It was narrated that Sulayman bin Amr bin Ahwas said: “My father told me that he was present at the Farewell Pilgrimage with the Messenger of God. He praised and glorified God, and reminded and exhorted (the people). Then he said: 'I enjoin good treatment of women, for they are helpers of you, and you have no right to treat them otherwise, unless they commit lewdness. If they do that, then forsake them in their beds and hit them, but without causing injury or leaving a mark. If they obey you, then do not seek means of annoyance against them. You have rights over your women and your women have rights over you. Your rights over your women are that they are not to allow anyone whom you dislike to tread on your bedding, nor allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses. And their right over you are that you should treat them kindly with regard to their clothing and food.' ” (sunan ibn Majah vol. 3 book. 9 Hadith 1851)

The above Hadith is graded Sahih by Darussalam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smatrah (talk • contribs) 10:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

mistranslation

In a hadith it was writtern that there was amark on herdue to domestic violence. This waswritten within brackets showing that it was translater’s view that he thought mark was caused due to beating. So i think it should be removedto make hadith better. Thanks

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