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Note also that I had the opportunity to meet and talk with Katherine Maher recently. She said quite plainly that "I am an inclusionist" and so such action is supported at the highest level....
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Dear sir- I am writing as a new wiki editor because I have added important, cited details to above mentioned page but there has been someone vandalized many people's comments on this page called an editor ScrapIronIV. Sir, I suggest you please allow the news of the award won by R. Shankar and P. Chabira for Muse India Translation Award on page as it is major award for translation of goddess Andal. Also, magazine started by R. Shankar very influential. I suggest to suspend ScrapIron IV privilegs as he continues to make false changes to page and not respect satya. Thank you.
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On a very related note, after my massive cleanup at Subrahmanya Saastri, (look at the edit summaries, if you are seeking reasons) an article created by you, there's not a single non-offline source linked as a reference.All that remained were 4 offline sources .Out of those four, I have persoanlly verified that 2 of them don't support the statements they were affixed next to and don't even mention the name of the subject.I would thus request you to kindly upload the images of the pages of Osborne's books that you have used as a reference in the article in some image-sharing-sites like Imgur etc. and bring the upload links to my t/p for a proper verification or use the Special:EmailUser function to mail the images to me. Sans any cooperation from you in this regard within a reasonable time, I will be compelled to look at alternatives like draftification, deletion et al.Winged Blades09:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Since you have literally vanished with going for some sort of clean start, I've obliged you:) I hope, I meet soon with your new avatar!Winged Blades 13:29, 2 December 2017 (UT}}
Request on 18:58:22, 5 December 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Cougarsurf
Hey there! Thanks for the feedback on my draft, Draft:Evan Goldstein. Just wanted to get some added clarification on what you think the priorities items should be. It sounds like it was an issue of sources in the first part of your note, but you also commented on the language. Do you think the latter needs some tweaking? It may be a little robotic, I was just trying to mimic the language of some other doctor pages I found. Thanks!
Ref 5/7:--Same reference.NYP republished the Moneyish piece.Passes WP:RS.Good covg.Y
Ref 4:--An opinion/self-field-promotion piece authored by the subject.Does not lend to notability.N
Ref 3/6:--Both are same.Fails WP:RS.Advocacy site.Seems typical promo-spam.N
Ref 2:--Very short piece and short covg. Half-hearted Y
Ref 1:--Good!Y
On the basis of the above 2.5 ticks, I'm not convinced that the subject passes WP:GNG.So, please look out for more sources that passes WP:RS and covers the subject non-trivially in a subjective fashion.
Lines like He has stated that his motivations are to focus on the mostly underserved surgical needs of the gay community and He offers additional support for the..... looks typical subject-promotion material and imparts a resume-like tone which is completely unsuitable for an encyclopedic article.
@Winged Blades: Thank you for sharing those details on the sources and language. I was trying to provide some context on Dr. Goldstein himself, but I agree, it may be too trivial for inclusion. I'll look for some new sources that seem less promotional... perhaps a medical journal or some other citation on the surgeries he's engineered.
@Cougarsurf:-Definitely agree.And you are putting your efforts in a very good direction.If you need any help as to any on-wiki-aspect, feel free to ask me.As a side-note, at the end of any post in any talk-page, please put ~~~~ which will automatically sign your post.Regards:)Winged Blades06:15, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello! I've made some edits to my draft based on your feedback. I found a few useful medical journals, made some changes to the language to be more encyclopedic and deleted the sources I believe you marked as irrelevant or less credible. If you could, would you mind taking a look? Thanks! ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cougarsurf (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
We need to add extra information in early life and carreer to this article https://en.wikipedia.org/Alok_R._Babu. When we tried to do it. You have reverted to old version. Could you please let me know ,how can we proceed with this.
@Kiranpz:--Hi, J.Lohith, surely. But, do you know A.Babu personally or have any links with him?! Also, since you stated We need..., can you list the other operators of this account or state whether this acc. is being used by any company?Winged Blades07:19, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes,i know him personally. Sorry it was supposed to be I. I am working on this article.Regards,Kiranpz— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiranpz (talk • contribs)
Also, please remember to put four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your post.Our software automatically converts it into a user-specific signature.Winged Blades07:32, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your disclosure(s).My last query on the issue will be whether you expect any financial remuneration or (other inducements i.e. some other benefit) in lieu of your's writings/work over here? Winged Blades07:58, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, while engaging in a talk-page discussion, please indent your posts using colon marks.Put one more colon at the start of your post, than that at the start of the prev. reply .Winged Blades08:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
No financial remuneration or other benefit for this.Just want to know,why you asking this, that whether i expect financial remuneration on this writings.Regards,KiranpzKiranpz (talk) 08:05, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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By the way, why don't you design a semi-auto-bot that showers these templates on whoever chooses to edit at APOL/BLP?! Would be a much better and fool-proof method.Regards:)~ Winged Blades06:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd love to, but I'm too busy having to handle ridiculous crap like today. Defamatory jokes on our main page are simply unacceptable. And I'm someone who hates to say that anything shouldn't be joked about... but I have to enforce this policy. It's like some people want to literally put me in a hard position constantly for no good reason. Aren't there like 1,500 other things people could be doing than trying to make libel hit the main page? Does the WMF really need to be sued here by the man known for suing? Jesus... how big do some people think our budget is? — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't doubt for a moment that you know more about Indian law schools than I do
- but just to put the record straight, my comments are generally as careful as a lawyer's, while all the time still being capable of a clean sense of humour. I'm neither a deletionist nor an inclusionist, and I just use the tools that the community wanted to give me. I would hesitate to brand any particular individual of being either (that would not be good faith), unless of course they need to be warned for a tendentious spree of either mass passing articles at NPP as OK that have no place at all on Misplaced Pages, or mass placing deletion tags on perfectly acceptable pages. But I do believe it to be perfectly acceptable to point out that something is a not policy when it it isn't - I learned a lot here through people putting me right on things I had misuderstood. I never mind it being pointed out if I make the occasional rare error amongst the thousands of articles I have kept or deleted. Indeed, AFAIK, I don't think I've ever had a deletion overturned and my AfD score tends on the high side. Nowt to be particularly proud of though, it's all in a day's work for an admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
As to the epicenter that led to your comment, I don't think that Necrothesp's AN thread was any ill-deserved, esp. in light of the t/p thread on Drmies'.And the starter of the thread (Sitush) is a quite experienced-pedian, not some fly-by deletionist.
On a side-note, I always welcome differing views and my AFD-history will show you that I always have an ear for opposing !voters and tend to assume a high amount of good-faith but I frankly don't admire personalities too stubborn and/or too irrational to ever change their opinion and having voices so loud so as to effectively prevent himself from listening to others.My net experience with N is that there's no point in engaging with him.Every of his alternate reply could be reasonably construed as:--Schools are kept and will be kept. Nothing more. And, I have never ever seen him to even take an attempt at providing any sources at any AFD.It is only very recently that this essay popped out!
And that's the primary difference I note between N and other folks like DGG/you taking the same line.
On an aside, I personally prefer to refrain from branding editors under any category and my comment was largely in response to your highly-visible anti-promo efforts etc.
FWIW, I've participated in 2,338 AfD, and without considering "No Consensus" results, 89.0% of them were matches and 11.0% of them were not. YGM. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:08, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jcc:--Many thanks for your note.I don't recollect any memories of the mainspacing-ban but stupid advice from my end.Anyways, then, can you please explain the thread by DGG, just above?!Wasn't that too about some mainspacing by him?!~ Winged Blades15:51, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for striking it out. It looks like Legacypac submitted Draft:Tel Haim and suggested it be moved, but Shadowowl was the reviewer who accepted it. Best wishes, and sorry if my message above seemed a bit abrupt! jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I've never violated the amazingly stupid topic ban and will never violate it. Not one of the editors that imposed has shown their record with page moves/AfC accepts is better than my record, which I've documemted. Legacypac (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
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your approach here and your ping is much appreciated. Maybe we can even find some degree of agreement . The people with opposing positions on schools pretty much have to, because neither side is going away. DGG ( talk ) 10:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
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Good morning I would like to ask for your help in editing the Draft: Israel lucas Gois, the article is very good, could you help me put it on the air? I waited for return — Preceding unsigned comment added by André Luiz nogari (talk • contribs) 13:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
good tar, I am not receiving anything, I believe there is some mistake, here in Brazil Mr. Gois is well known in the capital market, and I am from the capital market and he is a reference for us in the Brazilian financial market, I would like to Your Help For Article Release — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.SAFRA65265 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
@Iridescent:--Since your advice(s) to borderline-disruptive but probably-good-faith new-editors often seem to reach out to the fellows behind the user/IP-masks, can you manage to have a conversation with this IP address?You may choose to view this t/p thread and the overall contributions by the IP address, before jumping on.Regards:)~ Winged Blades15:02, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Request on 12:12:32, 7 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jbharakda
Hi you rejected due to paid promotions but these are not paid promotions but are genuine news article, and sources are clearly mentioned. These are news articles in general press in India, I am not sure where you have assumed that these are paid please advise
Jbharakda--Your improvements are enough.That's an Y accept from me.FWIW, most interviews in Indian-Media are products of payment and that is a current consensus in the WP Circles and I have removed some of the references.~ Winged Blades15:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you but you have deleted and stripped so much text , consensus is not fact , plus you are talking about Sonu Nigam's sister being the sibling helps I guess newspapers approach her rather than her having to, is there anyway to get this text back or is it due to the reason that you believe its paid for ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbharakda (talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
And, for the very reason you mention along with lack of editorial independency in a majority of these interviews , these celebrity-associates shall be more scrutinised for encyclopedic notability courtesy the general inclination of the media to heavily cover the slightest of their moves. ~ Winged Blades17:23, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello Winged Blades of Godric. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Love A Child, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It's not too horrendous, especially for a draft. . Thank you. GedUK16:01, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
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Urgent: About SSAEL Speedy Deletion
Hi Winged Blades, I have sent you this by mail as well.
I understand your view is your view but could you humor me and look at it from my perspective? I'm copying below my first talk with Chetsford and request your reply in the light of the same:
Thank you for your time spent reviewing my maiden attempt to have more Asian companies on Misplaced Pages (!) It seems my contribution lacked notability as you have declined it for this reason.
I have benchmarked the piece on https://en.wikipedia.org/ReNew_Power, which is a company of about the same size and business space and has similar citations and references. Can you nudge me to see what I am missing that allows this 'benchmark' company on wikipedia and mine not?
I have read each and every one of the links the page provided on 'referencing, notability and sources'. If there are specific citations that you suggest I replace, I will (if better ones exist).
Thanks in anticipation of your reply. Snathcb (talk) 06:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Snathcb - I think it's very close to being ready so please don't take the decline personally! I'll look at it tomorrow and provide some feedback with specific suggestions. But I do feel we're 90% of the way there. Great work! Chetsford (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
After this I made several corrections and he said - and I quote:
I think that's about it. If you can update these I think it would be in good shape, however, if you don't mind I'll ask a different person to review it. Chetsford (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
PLEASE Winged Blades, let's get me started. Or tell me why RenewPower is ok.
Snathcb - I'm sorry if you perceived our exchange was a guarantee by me your article would pass AfC. After I declined your article creation request you asked me "If there are specific citations that you suggest I replace, I will" to which I replied with specific recommendations for improving sourcing (your question to me). This was the starting and ending point for our discussion: I provided you advice in response to your question about improving specific sources and, having done that I said the sourcing issue was "in good shape, however, if you don't mind I'll ask a different person to review it".
In light of this current discussion, I believe you may have thought I had just given you holistic article creation advice, or that our subsequent exchange had begun to evolve into an individualized article development session, instead of me simply continuing to respond to your specific question about source improvement. I also now believe you may have thought that when I said another editor should "review it" that I was actually signaling to you "approve it" or that AfC review was a rubber-stamp process. I apologize for not anticipating the different ways you might have perceived that. In the last exchange we had you asked me "will it be reviewed in the regular queue or on priority" and I told you I was unaware that anything like a priority queue existed. However, in re-reading that now, I should have realized you might have believed that, by posting on my Talk page, you had contacted an editing service and I should have done a better job identifying and correcting this misperception.
I'm afraid I don't remember anything about the content of your article by which I would be useful in answering additional questions about other issues it may have had beyond the specific question you posed to me about sourcing. I've declined hundreds of articles so understand this is nothing personal but just the reality that I don't commit any of them to memory or store copies offline by which I could reference them in the future. I also have not reviewed or edited ReNew Power, so I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that article by which I could comment on it. Chetsford (talk) 17:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Since you seem to understand the convolutions of getting sites blacklisted etc at this place, perhaps you could find some time to look at whether or not newpakhistorian should be added? It is operated by a former WP contributor who also seems to have contributed to jatland. - Sitush (talk) 13:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
The last time I looked, there were three outstanding mentions. I left them as an example for you but I've cleared out plenty of others over the years. The contributor went off in a huff a long time ago when their sourcing was questioned. Many, many of their articles have been deleted since but they'd already copied a lot over to their wordpress site and have continued to expand on things there. - Sitush (talk) 18:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@BTZorbas: I endorse this messsage. BTZorbas, if you do not actually go and read WP:NPA and its application, then it will also not be a personal attack to tell you that you do not know what you are talking about. >SerialNumber5412917:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi Winged: I agree that it wasn't a "personal attack". However I also don't think it was accurate. User:BTZorbas isn't a "single-purpose account", just a user who appears to be interested in set theory and set theorists. I think most of us got started in one particular area of interest. I haven't loved all of his/her contributions or mode of interaction with other editors, but I see no clear evidence that they are "promotional" or "soapboxing". I should say that Todorcevic helped sponsor me for a one-year postdoc in Toronto. That was quite some time ago and I do not think it influences my judgment on this matter. --Trovatore (talk) 09:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, I believe you are incorrect. My association with Todorcevic was relatively modest; I mentioned it only for full transparency. I have no project to promote him. My set-theory edits (and my own work in set theory) are generally in areas rather different from the subjects most closely associated with Todorcevic.
As for BTZorbas, I do not see any special focus on Todorcevic in his edits I'm going to use masculine pronouns for convenience; I don't actually know whether BTZorbas is male or female. His contributions show an interest in a considerable range of different set theorists and their work. --Trovatore (talk) 19:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
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Craziness seems to be somewhat conducive.I was surprised or rather shocked to see an editor who is generally observable to be sane apparently willing to keep the article to attract Indian editors! ~ Winged Blades 16:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC) ~ Winged Blades16:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
18:09:02, 15 February 2018 review of submission by Tony.bourached
Dear Winged Blades of Godric
Thank you for your feedback, as pointed out the text was re-written and references amended. Can you please re-check and let me know.
Tony.bourached (talk) 18:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello there, I think that this page should not be deleted because Rosa Berardo is a well known and respected movie maker and photographer in Brazil.
Her pioneer work on movies in Goiás State, central Brazil, is a mark of woman in cinema. She's the first woman in Goiás State to produce and direct a film in the latest 1989. Her film Andre Louco, is considered the first professional film made in the State of Goiás and is mentioned at the Brazilian film Dictionary written by Antonio Leão da Silva Neto, Edições Loyola, 2006.
From the point of view of gender and feminism studies, Rosa Berardo is an important character and inspiring source fro Brazilian woman. She also has created the firs Cinema and Film Studies School in her state, Goiás, in the your 2000. There were any film school in the capital of the State, Goiania, neither in the State in general, so no movie makers to represent the local culture in a film made by local people.
The school has forme about 30 new film makers that actually represent the state in many nacional and international film festivals .
She's considered as the Mother of Goiás State film production.
her name has an important whole in last and actual Brazilian film history as the possibility of self representation in cinema in Brazilian communities and states as Goiás, that are not in the main production front line as Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. It is very very important for a democratic use of cinema as a mean of communication. So woman and local cultures are represented by Rosa Berardo as a piopneer the has gone trough all kind of prejudices and machism against woman to have her place as the first woman to work in films in very import and big region of the country, the Central Region of Brazil.
Hope those arguments are enough to highlight the importance for Brazilians to have her name in Misplaced Pages as a symbol of work, dedication and pioneer in feminist films .
Dictionary:
NETO SILVA, Antonio Leao.
Dicionário de filmes brasileiros de Curta e media metragem,
Edições Loyola, 2006
Just thought I'd drop you a reminder that the workshop page on the ArbCom case regarding Joefromrandb is operating in a threaded discussion, meaning each user should post under their own heading. You're recent edit there appears to have been made under another users section, so has been removed as a clerk action - however, feel free to restore it in your own section.
Hi Winged Blades of Godric, I observed through the revision history of Bellary that some users have been blocked as socks, but I couldn't discern why. Could you please have a look if more socks are responsible for the latest disruptions. Thanks, MT Train09:50, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
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Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed.
Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like {{sfn}} are not visible in the references list whilst editing.
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The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/BrowseAloud (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. KTC (talk) 15:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
I did not personally out myself. An attack account used my real name and created an attack article about me, it was not a conscious choice! Please respect my privacy--TF92 (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hmm...I will not revert you given the extraordinary circumstances behind the self-outing.But, I guess this's a lesson for all COI-editors, spamming our articles.~ Winged Blades08:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding. The link you posted in question as "evidence" of the outing was the page to that attack account. In that case, it was not related to self-promotion or COI---TF92 (talk) 08:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Rayna, I've edited the draft and somewhat drastically.In the process, all fluff and un-sourced information, which ought not be present in an encyclopedic entry, unless reliably sourced has been removed.But, rather regrettably, in light of the sources provided by you, I ain't very-sure about how this passes the set of notability-criterions for bands or our general notability guideline.Be advised, that we, the editorial community at WP do not generally accept interviews as good-sources, unless published in a very-reputed source.I would like you to provide more reliable source(newspapers etc.) covering the works/performances of the band.Cheers!
Hello, Godric!
How do you define and what do you consider for "very-reputed source" - do you mean world-wide known source?
What citation do you want me to provide here: "The name of the band is combination of the two English words “out” and “authentic” and it means “out of authentic sound and style”."? I don't think it's possible to provide citation for an idea.
--Rayna Vasileva (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
@Athaenara:
Wikimedia received an email from a new editor concerned about the removal of a sandbox: User:Feroz3/sandbox
I'm about to respond that they should be talking to either the editor who nominated it for deletion or the administrator who carried out the deletion.
I'm writing to you, partly as a heads up that this query may be coming but also partly in puzzlement that the rationale included CSD U5. Please note that I am not contesting the deletion, as the rationale also included G 11, but it's my experience that while we suggest that draft space is a great place to start articles, it is been long practice that I personal sandbox is an acceptable place to start an article, so it doesn't seem to me that this qualifies as U5. Do you think I'm missing something?S Philbrick(Talk)14:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick:--AFAIR, I got the heads-up about the draft from an OTRS ticket itself, which complained about some problems as to submitting etc:) At any case, U5 states:--Pages in userspace consisting of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Misplaced Pages's goals......Blatant promotional-ism ain't one of our goals and from the looks of the draft, I don't think it was anything except a vanity-attempt at self-promotion.Thus, the tagging...~ Winged Blades14:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hello ~ Winged Blades . I just received a notification about your comment. There are basically 5 different national major newspapers' full page articles quoted, and a number of academic articles which discuss 'the work of the subject'. So I am confused what other sources are needed please for verifying and notability. The "tone reading as advertisement" can be corrected, but regarding the referencing it is puzzling. Similar pages on artists are exactly the same on Misplaced Pages. For example this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/Golnaz_Fathi if you could kindly give an advice how to re-organize the sources please, because there is no difference between them than say this page just mentioned.
Major national and international media (TV, Radio, Newspaper) which have carried full interviews and published articles about the works include:
Radio Free Europe (from Paris),
Voice of America TV station (from Paris),
Kayhan London (from London),
Times of Malta,
The Independent (Malta),
The Guardian (UK),
Xinhua (China),
Radio Rossi, Main National Radio (Russia),
NTV , Main national TV station (Russia),
Lark News English Newspaper (Pakistan),
International World Business Communicator (Pakistan),
Prima Edicion (Argentina),
Rahavard Journal of Iranian Studies (Los Angeles, U.S.A) ---for example the the article and interview on this very important quarterly journal is 8 pages long!! How is it possible to quote it on an encyclopedia?---This journal itself is part of the Iranian encyclopedia Iranica: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/rahavard-persian-quarterly
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Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly.
Problems
Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug.
Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed.
Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated.
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Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version.
The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 February. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 February. It will be on all wikis from 1 March (calendar).
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If you want to help out by doing the detailed reading to adjudicate the merits of who has the more nearly neutral wording or who has the better sentence, please do. My approach as a mediator, and it may not always be the best, but it is my approach, is to let the parties explain concisely what the issues are. I won't adjudicate, and I don't want to read long justifications. Any help on your part would be appreciated. As it is, I finally have two wordings, and am about to put them to an RFC unless you want to help. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Hmm..My approach at mediation varies in the sense that we solely adjudge content-disputes and it's impossible to do so without getting heavily involved in the issues.~ Winged Blades06:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Here is a plate of Mixed vegetable biryani for you. Biryani is a rice-based dish made with spices, rice (usually basmati), and mixed with chicken, mutton etc. But, the plate being served is vegetable biryani. Thank you.
@Titodutta:--Yummy! Many thanks for the barnstar and it's always nice to meet a fellow Bengali-pedian:) Godric trails off whilst feeding on the biryani.......~ Winged Blades16:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Help with IP editor on Draft:Steve Negron
Hey Godric, I hope things are going well in Kolkata!
I've been doing some work on the AfC backlog and I need help in a particular situation. Draft:Steve Negron is about a political candidate for US Congress and is currently only two sentences long. I have rejected the draft twice, (both for WP:1S and WP:NPOL) but the same user on a different IP continues to give me a hard time about it. Obviously I don't want to say the wrong thing, and I have certainly tried to assume good faith and offer alternatives, but they have been disregarded. I was hoping you might be able to step in, as perhaps you'll have a different perspective than myself. Bkissin (talk) 16:08, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
I recall your offer to run AWB over the onefivenine linkspam etc and me saying that I'd rather go through it the hard way so that I could fix numerous other issues - overlinking, other non-RS, Indic scripts, no project on talk page etc. Just so you know, I am getting there. I appear to have had some help - Reyk has popped up in my searches on a few occasions - but we're now down to about 1520 from an original > 2400. Gosh, it is boring!
Did you ever manage to work out the issue about a census village/town that I mentioned at WT:INB recently? The place was shown under four different names in the govt census report and I wasn't sure how to deal with it. I would like to finish that particular project but we (the India Project) need to find some sort of consensus regarding how to approach such issues. - Sitush (talk) 01:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
@Sitush:Hmm..I will be shortly getting to the article discussed at the at AFD:) On a side-note, I did run AWB from my alt-account to clean the refs but it hardly sped up the process.While AWB is quick enough to capture, remove the refs and substitute with a cn tag, allmost the entire articles are so blatantly spammy that it's very hard to just remove the refs and let the spam stay.At the end of the day, editing the entire article through the normal interface seemed a much better alternative!~ Winged Blades16:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.
Technical news
CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
The edit filter has a new featurecontains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.
Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Misplaced Pages in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.
Hello, I'm Smjg. I noticed that you recently removed all content from List of Other Backward Classes in Sikhism. Blank pages are harmful to Misplaced Pages because they have a tendency to confuse readers. As a rule, if you discover a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If a page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you wish to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. — Smjg (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Please do not replace Misplaced Pages pages with blank content. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. — Smjg (talk) 14:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Please be careful about what you say to people. Some remarks can easily be misinterpreted, or viewed as harassment. Misplaced Pages is a supportive environment, where contributors should feel comfortable and safe while editing. Thank you. — Smjg (talk) 14:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
While the above use of templates wasn't the best regarding the circumstances, I do agree with their use. I find your conduct on the List of Other Backward Classes in Sikhism quite troubling for an experienced editor. If you believe that there is no merit to an article's content, you can nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD. Removing all the page's content is not the appropriate action in that case (See WP:BLANK). As well, I don't think I need to state that edit summaries like this are not appropriate, civil behavior. Acebulf (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Firstly yes i want explanation on a per-source basis.
i am film lover and as you mentioned i am not getting any form of remuneration (direct or indirect) from writing the articles on them, my happiness is only that i am sharing part of knowledge with world. and wanted to support 'for the people by the people' policy.
Sorry but i am not doing it for remuneration that's the main problem, because of my edits may be someone will not able to earn the money, and there is possibility these agencies who takes charges for creating Misplaced Pages pages will contacted you to demotivate peoples like me who does it for interest, and instead of helping them the administrators like you will remove all the work person has did in past some years, and the thing is i learned Misplaced Pages editing just by watching others edits, and by seeing that articles i edited these, still there are so many articles like me are presented, delete it if possible so that at least they will get the knowledge how not to edit.
I am Very Much Disappointed by fifth point you raised may be its correct by your point of view, but without any consideration someone is working and you are blaming him that you are working for money ??.
i respect your contribution to Misplaced Pages, and my motive to come here on Misplaced Pages is share the knowledge and information with world.
as i mentioned above i learned editing by watching others edits, its failure of the Misplaced Pages administrators (peoples) like you to keeping all that articles on Misplaced Pages still and the new comers like me will learn from them and get the deletion notice after long time of creation. let it be.
Thank you very much for much more spending time in spending on my edits ! and i am not going to appose any deletion notice given by you, indirectly i came to that conclusion instead to giving knowledge and spreading awareness that anyone can edit Misplaced Pages, the peoples like you are indirectly supporting to them who edit Misplaced Pages for money. and as you mentioned that previous administrator gave me the notice to revoke the access, the answer is he did not replied yet of my questions and the reasons which i asked him on his talk page.
Shrinivas G Kulkarni 16:31, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher)Shrinivaskulkarni1388-First off Winged Blades of Godric is not an administrator, neither does he support (in fact he opposes) paid editing. I have certain advice for you which you must follow so that you become better at editing Misplaced Pages:
Stop editing mainspace atleast for the time being
Accept Titodutta's offer and read-up the linked pages in the comment on your talk page
Finally try not to edit pages of subject to which you are close to as it has been proven by research that even if you are extremely careful you may end up writing what looks like a fan page to other people which may be thought of by other people as paid editing. Hope you have a smooth Wiki-journey from now on — FrcRdl03:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Greetings Godric! Thank you for being a volunteer editor, and for taking the time to reply to people above. I recently created the article Draft:BlueChilli. I declared my COI (I worked there) and sought help in the chat from User:Vermont before submitting, you recently rejected the article for reasons of notability. I would like to seek your guidance to understand what you would look for before I seek resubmission. Thank you in advance! Sebeckmas (talk) 15:23, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Request on 15:30:13, 5 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Lunarfantom
We need significant coverage about the subject in multiple sources, over a prolonged time-span.
I don't think that any IRC-guy has told you that A single TOI source will get the article live but if that is the case, he was mistaken.
And, frankly, I think you have chosen a poor job.Chances are negligible that the subject wll be ever notable per our guidelines of inclusion.Money seldom buys notability.~ Winged Blades15:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options.
Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).
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In the future you will be able to use global preferences. This means you could change a preference for all wikis instead of having to change it every time for each wiki. You can now test global preferences and give feedback.
I am not highly convinced and will recuse, for the time-being.It looks like a borderline candidate to me, which may go either way at a deletion discussion.Please wait for another reviewer and in case, it takes an extraordinarily high time, I will probablyaccept it.And, please try to add more comprehensive sourcing, to bolster the draft.Best,~ Winged Blades05:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Reverting Admin closes
Do it again and I'll block you for disruption. If you don't like the outcome go to DRV. Non-admins and nominators don't get to overrul admin closes without a consensus.
Doesn't matter. I saw a consensus and Admins are allowed to take different stances as there is some wriggle room in interpreting closes. You should have have raised it with me instead of reverting too and you may well have got a better outcome then just being plain rude. You know where DRV is if you disagree. Spartaz06:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Around the time in February when Wikidata clicked past item Q50000000, another milestone was reached: the mix'n'match tool uploaded its 1000th dataset. Concisely defined by its author, Magnus Manske, it works "to match entries in external catalogs to Wikidata". The total number of entries is now well into eight figures, and more are constantly being added: a couple of new catalogs each day is normal.
Since the end of 2013, mix'n'match has gradually come to play a significant part in adding statements to Wikidata. Particularly in areas with the flavour of digital humanities, but datasets can of course be about practically anything. There is a catalog on skyscrapers, and two on spiders.
These days mix'n'match can be used in numerous modes, from the relaxed gamified click through a catalog looking for matches, with prompts, to the fantastically useful and often demanding search across all catalogs. I'll type that again: you can search 1000+ datasets from the simple box at the top right. The drop-down menu top left offers "creation candidates", Magnus's personal favourite. m:Mix'n'match/Manual for more.
For the Wikidatan, a key point is that these matches, however carried out, add statements to Wikidata if, and naturally only if, there is a Wikidata property associated with the catalog. For everyone, however, the hands-on experience of deciding of what is a good match is an education, in a scholarly area, biographical catalogs being particularly fraught. Underpinning recent rapid progress is an open infrastructure for scraping and uploading.
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Recent changes
3D models can now be uploaded to Commons.
Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Misplaced Pages to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made.
Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review.
Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab.
Problems
The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC).
Changes later this week
You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week.
It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users.
A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).
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You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 March at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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Hi, I'd like to discuss the wording used in your edit to Y&R ANZ. In the "Controversy" section, you've written "given that many of the social media posts by GPYR were sexually and politically obscene". This is untrue and was fabricated by the original article's author. Can you please read the following articles (Article 1, Article 2) and revise the wording accordingly? Thanks. --Peacenik162 (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Please explain your reasoning
Please explain why you believe that every member of one Wikiproject should be required to tell people in AFDs they participate in that they saw it listed in their Wikiproject, when none of the other many Wikiprojects on Misplaced Pages are required to do that. Dream Focus04:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@Dream Focus: Please look up "should" and "must" in the dictionary and try to understand the difference. There appears to be a unanimous consensus among everyone except you and Andrew Davidson (both of whom are clearly upset that your weak arguments in the YPT AFD are not being taken seriously) that the amendment is an improvement and is in accordance with the project-wide canvassing guidelines. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi
Let me introduce myself. I am Felix and I’m a novice in Misplaced Pages ! I wrote an article recently, it’s a biography of a french-american journalist : Laura Haim. Now, I’m waiting for validation from wikipedian reviewer. Would you be able to help me? I have no idea how long it could take… https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Laura_Haim
Many thanks for your help.
Best
Hello Winged Blades of Godric, thank you for your efforts reviewing New Page and AfC submissions and your support for the ACTRIAL initiative.
The conclusion to the ACTRIAL report commissioned by the Wikimedia Foundation strongly reiterates our long-time on going requirements for the NPP and AfC processes to be improved. Within minutes of the trial being switched off, the feed was swamped with inappropriate creations and users are being blocked already. This is now the moment to continue to collaborate with the WMF and their developers to bring the entire Curation system up to date by making a firm commitment to addressing the list of requirements to the excellent suite of tools the WMF developed for Curation. Some of these are already listed at Phabricator but may need a boost. The conclusions also make some recommendations for AfC. A place to discuss these issues initially is here where you are already a task force member.
Can you work out what has gone on at Gurjar in the last few hours? It is a mess and I can't make my mind up whether it is copy/paste or something else. - Sitush (talk) 08:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@Sitush:-Not much of a coherent idea but given the mess, reverting is always the best option.My edit-summary was wrong in the sense that he made some changes (transposing sections, copy-edits etc.) but heavily duplicated parts of the article from the article itself, probably in error.I will try to re-insert his edits, if any of them are helpful.~ Winged Blades08:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
I will wait a day or so to check if that was any editor, in good-standing, editing logged-out.Otherwise, I'm afraid that I've to persuade the IP to refrain.Regards~ Winged Blades13:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
WP:DRVPURPOSE states Deletion Review should not be used, when you have not discussed the matter with the administrator who deleted the page/closed the discussion first, unless there is a substantial reason not to do this and you have explained the reason in your nomination.~ Winged Blades07:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
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On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 March. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 March. It will be on all wikis from 22 March (calendar).
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There is no Editing team meeting this week.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days.
In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello. I was not notified about the move review, doesnt the policy say the person who closed the move should be notified? —usernamekiran(talk)18:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Under what definition of "crystal clear"? Anything less than a formal templating, otherwise I worked in bad faith? This is no more than retaliation from usernamekiran for being reprimanded, and the drahmah does not need a feeding. He was informed. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble!06:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't seek the template, as highly necessary.Anything, clear-cut, in the likes of I am initiating a MRV as to your close of this RM.... would have been good enough.~ Winged Blades06:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Godric, and Curly Turkey: I honestly missed the banner. Bur the notification was not my issue anyway. I just wanted to let Curly Turkey know that they should have notified me, or at least pinged me when the false accusation was made. This is the point. I want to know on what basis he stated in the move review, and I am quoting: I contacted the closer directly, and they confirmed that they closed on a mere show of hands and "merely stated what a lot of editors expressed" re WP:COMMONNAME. This is the comment special:diff/830009227 from where the accusation arises. With what logic can anybody interpret from this comment that I "confirmed that they closed on a mere show of hands"? —usernamekiran(talk)17:53, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
No reason is wrong by a mile.You were informed of the precise deletion-reasons, at your talk-page.If you choose to remove them, without reading the linked policies, you ought to feel helpless/clueless.Please read about writing one's first article and our general notability guideline, in the meantime.And, in a nutshell, if a Misplaced Pages article would be the best media-exposure/coverage, your subject has ever recieved, till-date, he/she is damn non-notable and by a mile.Best,~ Winged Blades15:45, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Gosh...Facepalm ...That was an unblock request par-excellence:) I scrutinized HW's editing patterns for long and in my opinion, he basically skirted around the lower(??) ranges of CIR, but I will gladly strike my wordings, given I'm not so well aquainted with this farm sans HW....~ Winged Blades07:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).
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Don't remove others comments from user talk pages other than your own. Read policy/guidelines about removing other's comments and none of them supports such removal. The user in question is able to decide what to do with them. My Lord (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
My Lord, do not preach me policy. Whilst, I appreciate your desire to enforce policies, I'm afraid that with contributions, an order of magnitude greater than you, I know what I'm doing, very well.Best, ~ Winged Blades 17:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC) ~ Winged Blades17:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Chopping off this and that, here and there....
Harshrathod50 is accorded the distinction of being the second person to be banned from my talk-page.Please do not post here, unless policy mandates you to do so, necessarily.Best,~ Winged Blades06:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
A discussion had started about your recent hasty edits. Now explain each and everything you did with justification. You just increased your own problems. This is not gonna end soon. Harsh Rathod11:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Responding to your note regarding financial interest
Hola oh Winged One!
You put a note on my talk page about having an interest (financial) in the article I was editing. I have an interest, it is not financial. I just kinda like Charlie the Tuna and some of the other iconic characters used in marketing. I confess I don't buy StarKist because it is too expensive. I buy either the Aldi brand canned tuna or BumbleBee. As I explained to Bri and put on the talk page, I really think Charlie, the Maytag dude and the Jolly Green Giant should maybe have their own section.
Anyway, I just started this Wiki editing thing to pass time as I recovered from surgery and it is almost addicting. If you know any other pages that need help because they are flagged for having problems, let me know. I'm just stumbling around trying to make sad pages better. Speaking of better, wow your page is loaded with information and I am sure I will be back and use it as a reference if you don't mind. Have a good day and good luck with your studies.Not Wilkins (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
@Not Wilkins:Hmm...The reasons are convincing and I'm satisfied, at least for now:) But, please be sure to vet that your personal affection/interests about the subjects do not introduce promotional and non-neutral prose. Anyways, wishing you a speedy recovery and feel free to ask for any Misplaced Pages-related-help, as you may require.Best,~ Winged Blades06:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Please help me move Qidong, Jiangsu to Qidong City and Qidong County, Hunan to Qidong County, thanks. there is not any ambiguity between Qidong City and Qidong County. thanks. Cncs ( Talk) 02:18 March 30 2018 (UTC)
@Cncs wikipedia:-Sorry, this does not seem to be a completely uncontroversial move and I will thus abstain from granting it unilaterally.Please initiate a move-request at the talk-page, pending which, the move may be granted or not.Fell free to ask me, if you face any difficulties in setting up the RM.Best,~ Winged Blades06:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
New Page Review Newsletter No.10
Hello Winged Blades of Godric, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!
ACTRIAL's six month experiment restricting new page creation to (auto)confirmed users ended on 14 March. As expected, a greatly increased number of unsuitable articles and candidates for deletion are showing up in the feed again, and the backlog has since increased already by ~30%. Please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day.
Paid editing
Now that ACTRIAL is inoperative pending discussion, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary.
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The box at the right contains each of the subject-specific notability guidelines, please review any that are relevant BEFORE nominating an article for deletion.
While patrolling articles, if you find an editor that is particularly competent at creating quality new articles, and that user has created more than 25 articles (rather than stubs), consider nominating them for the 'Autopatrolled' user right HERE.
News
The next issue Misplaced Pages's newspaper The Signpost has now been published after a long delay. There are some articles in it, including ACTRIAL wrap-up that will be of special interest to New Page Reviewers. Don't hesitate to contribute to the comments sections. The Signpost is one of the best ways to stay up date with news and new developments - please consider subscribing to it. All editors of Misplaced Pages and associated projects are welcome to submit articles on any topic for consideration by the The Signpost's editorial team for the next issue.
Hi Godric, I usually don't ask people to chime in at AfD's I initiate, but today would be exception and I would like to draw your attention towards at least 3 Pakistan-related AfDs which I initiated (Amb Jogi, Iqbal Jogi and Google Tech Mela) and I'm seeking your genuine judgement over there because I believe all three AfDs have merely keep !votes rather than strong arguments. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 13:52, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Whilst I believe that I will be able to opiniate in a canvassed venue, without any bias, it's my principle that I rarely participate in any of such discussions, where I'm invited to, (unless in exceptional circumstances), on grounds of being labelled as a canvassed participant et al.
But, that being said, I'm going to prune the article-sourcing, so that there are no more !votes of the like So many sources.....How can anyone even think of deleting this?!.
And, I will be further keeping a watch on the progress of all the 3 AfDs.For the time being, there's nothing to worry about, for all the !votes are standard textbook cases of dis-countable arguments.Best,~ Winged Blades16:24, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I respect your principal, and as I said I too usually don't invite people to comment on AfDs involve me even when my own creations are nominated for deletion such as this. But lately I realised that people often throw keep !vote without providing any solid arguments and the articles resulted kept such as this one. Personally I'm a fan of the arguments made by you and @Johnpacklambert: on Pakistan related AfDs and therefore thought I let you know about these 3 canvassed AfDs and seek your genuine opinion. --Saqib (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
As to my opinions:--
I'm a bit curious, as to why you did not tag Google Tech Mela for G11.It was clear-cut promo-spam and, I can't think of any of our most conservative sysops declining a tagging, which would have ended the hassle, a lot easily.Anyways, clear delete.
As to Amb Jogi, that's again a clear delete.
I'm still on the fence about Iqbal Jogi, given his reputation about the last master player for the instrument.I will try to dig up some sources about him, if feasible.~ Winged Blades16:42, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I had not requested Google Tech Mela for the speedy deletion, probably due to the reason that it has some RS and was not unambiguous promotional. --Saqib (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
That was unambiguously promotional. Many sysops are not comfortable deleting articles, which is at an AfD.PingingTonyBallioni, for his take on the CSD-ability of the article. ~ Winged Blades15:39, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I would have G11’d it, but it’s at AfD now with keep !votes so not eligible anymore. You can !vote to delete on those grounds though. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I guess that there has been definitely some off-wiki canvassing, as to the AfDs, which has brought some near-inactive contributor(s).Anyways, after some discussion with other folks, I think your notification was sufficiently neutral, to be not held as a breach of our canvassing guidelines.Thus, I've recorded my !votes.Best,~ Winged Blades04:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
hi
the individual responsible for recent disruptions at WTMED has posted a very detrimental comment(irrespective of April fools day) on the page( I would delete it but do not want a confrontation) since you are a administrator it would carry more weight, I would appreciate it--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Galobtter, I won't blame you at all, for the RFA of Alexander the Great was so soooper-sekreeet, that no one other than Alexander himself knew of the event......
Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.
Arbitration
The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.
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A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 April. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 April. It will be on all wikis from 5 April (calendar).
User subpages ending in .json will now be protected from other people editing them, like .js and .css pages already are. If you have a tool that stores static configuration, you can now use a subpage like User:Example/mygadget.json to do this without concerns.
Tidy will be replaced by RemexHtml on the next set of wikis. On April 4, we plan to turn off Tidy on all Wikiquotes (except frwikiquote) and Wikimedia chapters and user groups wikis. 23 wikis will have Tidy replaced this time.
AbuseFilter will transition to use OOUI starting April 4, and the rule editor will also be changed to a CodeEditor (ACE) similar to what is found on user JavaScript pages. The move to OOUI will continue over the next few weeks.
In Special:Preferences, the preference "Reload the watchlist automatically whenever a filter is changed (JavaScript required)" is now only visible for users who have opt-out the New Filters for the Watchlist.
You can see names of individual abuse filters in Special:AbuseLog. Now if the name of an abuse filter contains some wikisyntax like links, it will not change to a link when displayed.
You can now search through filter patterns at Special:AbuseFilter. You may specify either a plain string or a regular expression and the matching filters will show a snippet of their pattern with the match highlighted.
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Please do not make personal attacks at AFD such as calling my contributions regular nonsense. The arguments that I make are policy based even if you disagree with them. Commenting on other editors is something to be avoided at AFD as it makes it an unpleasant battleground that deters many editors from participating, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
From all I have seen from you so far, I don't think a mere disagreement over a deletion request was enough to agitate you to write what you did and you did quickly revert yourself, so I won't assume you are really mad at me but maybe it's time for a nice cup of tea and some biscuits. It seems you could use it. Regards SoWhy15:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
@SoWhy:Thanks for the tea:) Actually, I pretty-much disagreed with your decline but that did not even slightly affect my continuing to hold you in high esteem, as one of the sysops, with a precise understanding of the CSD policies.And, thus the immediate reversion:)Best,~ Winged Blades16:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
It may be prudential to note that we didn't collaborate and/or jointly close the discussion.He just endorsed my closure.
Anyways, you're comparing apples and oranges.That RM had a lot of additional factors in addition to the general point that such bunch nominations almost always end in train-wrecks.Best,~ Winged Blades13:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
There was an obvious consensus to keep the project name in upper-case. Its main opposer, Paine Ellsworth, changed his mind within the discussion (was that changed missed by the closers?). This move will effectively change the name of many WikiProjects, including the fraternity and sorority project, which would be fine if it had a consensus, but it does not, and, if anything, the consensus was not to move the project name which is why editors stopped discussing it after Paine Ellsworth took the side of keeping the project name upper-cased. Please read the discussion and review the WikiProject name change again, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I am willing to make a clarification that this move shall not be leveraged as a precedent in future RMs of project-pages etc. and that this closure is solely based on the individual merits of this discussion.
As to why editors stopped discussing it, IMHO, bludgeoning is a far greater factor.
(edit conflict)Basically, to emphasize upon, none of the opposes failed to counter Amakuru's and Dickylon's proposed benefits for the establishment of similarity, (even slightly), other than uttering versions of project pages need not conform to rules for Article-spaces.At the end, it was about the usage-benefit, rather than about the rigid-interpretation of the policies/guidelines and there is a tangible benefit in favor of Amakuru's proposal, unlike your's, which seemed to have none.
At any case, I will urge both the sides to drop stuff which is umm........ so trivial and move to something which is more productive. ~ Winged Blades13:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
No, they stopped discussing it because we had reached consensus at that point about the upper cased project name. As for the FishKarate seconding of the close, there is no record from that editor's "close" listed in the page history (?) I'll strike this if I'm wrong. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
From the supporters standpoint, you endorsed their arguments that a site wide policy exists that governs the naming conventions of all Portals. Is this your contention? Mitchumch (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely not.That's misplacing words in my mouth esp. in light of my statement the practise of the guidelines are unclear, as to whether they apply to project-space which is visible at the RM closure.~ Winged Blades13:20, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And, I will emphasize that while the wordings of the guidelines are clear of the generally-exclusionary nature, they do not actively forbid it's application upon portals, if there is a beneficial reason to do so, the current practice (which largely resembles the policy, in a dynamic system like ours') is entirely unclear.Best,~ Winged Blades13:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC):::::*That argument was their core argument.
The wordings of the guidelines do not actively allow it's application upon portals, either. That's a decision for the community to decide, not a handful of editors.
I concluded the policies the supporters presented was silent. I stated this portal followed the Misplaced Pages:Portal guidelines. I routinely brought to the supporters attention the absence of language in the policies they presented to support their arguments. I also repeatedly suggested to the supporters to seek community consensus on the respective policy pages as the best manner to resolve our disagreement. At no point during this entire discussion did they initiate a discussion on any policy page.
Dicklyon was neutral on the project name, he did not oppose it, as you imply above. Please read the discussion again. The addition of Fish & Karate's "close endorsement" seems important, as the editor did not post on the page! As for the suggestion to drop this because you see it as trivial, please don't get personal and maybe strike the suggestions that this is a trivial manner, for in fact this may be a first in Misplaced Pages history that a closer has changed a project name although the project members chose the name and are defending that name. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC):::In that case,:--
1)To quote someone--Any consensus achieved on project pages may be changed/overturned by a wider community discussion drawing in more participants from outside the project--You're not part of some walled garden, whose privileged members shall be accorded greater weight-age, in any community-advertised discussion.
Whilst, I cannot but ever under-emphasise the fact that you must have laborious work, for the project, I am bound by our policies to not give a damn about what the project members are chose and/or were defending.Votes shall be weighed, only in consideration of their individual merits, irrespective of camp-affiliations.
2)Apologies, if my comments on the aspects of triviality hurt you but give me one single good reason about howWikipedia or your works will be negatively affected, if the pages are moved, in accordance to my close? More importantly, how would it negatively affect our readers?!
It perpetuates the erroneous claim the term Civil Rights Movement is not a proper noun. Despite the fact that no other social or political movement, whether in the United States or abroad, has a WP:Common name of CRM. It is one among other misconceptions about the article topic that this WikiProject has to address.
You asked for "one single good reason". I presented two reasons in response to your question. Also, could you respond to my question here? Mitchumch (talk) 14:18, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
And, wait, you're not an administrator? This close and major Misplaced Pages decision was made by a non-administrator? Please remove your close, and the unregistered "close" by Fish&Karate, and reopen the page. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, I assume that you have sufficient capabilities to click on a diff-link.....though, given that you were calling for another RM's closure to be reversed on another RM and utilized it as the first major argument on the latter, I won't be much surprised if my assumption is proved to be wrong.Best,~ Winged Blades13:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
The insults shown here are not what are under discussion. Please remove your close and reopen the discussion. If that diff link was already there before I posted about it, I apologize, but in any case Fish&Karate may not have been aware of the issues being brought up in this talk page discussion, that the project name had already reached consensus to stay the same within the discussion which is why it wasn't being argued anymore. This is a mess, and the insults do not help your closing reasoning and what you missed. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)::I reposted the diff again in this discussion, w.r.t to your first query over here, pending which you re-asked the same query.So,..............~ Winged Blades14:09, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
On re-reading, I have excluded the project from the purview of the move.I mis-read D's arguments.
Thank you, it's an uncommon editor who admits "misreading" (I misread often, as missing the link to Fish and Karate's comment). The portal discussion contains very good points on both sides, although I tend to agree with Mitchumch's well-detailed and researched series of evidential arguments. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Glad you decided to stick to your guns here... I've now requested the portal be deleted entirely. As clearly the concerns of 3-4 editors at one talk page about capitalization were somehow magically strong enough to make a "consensus". Well good luck finding someone else willing to do that tedious crap again. Clearly my work was neither appreciated nor given a shit about besides its different style of capitalization from one article. You all definitely have your priorities straight. - At least you won't have to worry about "dirtying" your hands using the page-mover flag now though, so that's a plus. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Coffee, whilst I was half-tempted to straight-away revert your blatant trolling, kindly have the basic decency and courtesy to inform the RM closer, when initiating a MRV.Such minimal knowledge of policy is expected from a sysop.Best,~ Winged Blades04:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh, really? Because I checked all of the policies about MRVs prior to opening one and nowhere among those pages did it state that the RM closer was to be informed prior to nor even after opening a MRV. So please, do actually check your facts next time before you try to condescend, as you so rightly put it, a sysop. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
And, if you don't want a quick trip to AN/ARBCASE, please un-delete the page, as you are blatantly short-circuiting an ongoing discussion.~ Winged Blades04:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh please. I actually could delete right now if I saw fit, and it would be allowed by policy, the only reason I'm keeping it tagged is for my own personal reasons. Also, as you clearly don't know this: WP:IMR is not a policy, nor is it even a guideline. You really need to teach yourself before you keep trying to teach me. Because I'm not going to sit here and continue to explain things I know better than the back of my hand to you. So let's get three things straight real quick: 1. You are not allowed to "contest" any editor's G7 speedy deletion, nor even review it for that matter. You are not an administrator, stop trying to be one before going through RFA. 2. I am not going to waste my time with you any further. If Mitchumch or someone else does, than more power to them. But you are completely unwilling to listen to reason and have made a clear supervote with your close. 3. Just because there was a discussion about the capitalization of a title and that discussion came to an end, those facts do not invalidate the ability of a G7 deletion nor do they count as "contributions" to the content by other editors as would be required for a G7 to be invalidated. - So please, do find something better to do with your time than continue to waste ours. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:54, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
@Coffee:, I'm pretty sure about one thing---that you do know many things better than me.RDing one's own block log is a glaring example, that comes to my mind, real quick.And, eh, did you forget the ITN-saga?!
As to G7, you've misread the policy.It starts with If requested in good faith.
As to supervoting, the decision at MRV will be a learning experience.
And, despite your rhetoric, I think you're pretty well-sure about the sentiments of the community about your administrative credibility, as the recent steward-election(s) have somewhat pointed to.Have a good-day:)~ Winged Blades05:51, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
It's unfortunate that you're unable to bring up anything other than aspersions (including some that have apparently nothing at all to do with Misplaced Pages itself) to defend your complete lack of knowledge regarding our policies here like WP:SPEEDY before trying to "school" an administrator about them, and it's also unfortunate that you thought your rash and ridiculous threat to take me to ARBCOM or AN for a completely within policy action was somehow a wise idea. But, since you thought it necessary to bring up myself, I'll simply state that I have never had any qualms or concerns with the brief RD'ing of my block log being known about (done for reasons that were explained to the appropriate authority as stated: ArbCom), but it is actually no business of yours (ArbCom doesn't happen to have you as a member of its mailing list, seeing as you have no business overseeing other editor's actions). So I'd advise you to not talk so certainly about things you know so little about. As to my other actions on the site, I have addressed them as fully as I feel necessary. All administrators get accused of being WP:ROUGE, that's why we made the page over 12 years ago: your attempts to disparage an administrator's voice entirely by pointing out singular errors is a very old tactic at attempting to nullify the logical arguments and points being made by the "rouge admin". If you don't appreciate looking like a fool when you completely misinterpret policy (note that the G7s have been completed by an administrator other than myself), then stop trying to puff out your chest so much and perhaps give collaboration and a full reading of our policies a try. Then, before trying to school anyone else on anything at all, perhaps try to actually act like a coworker or at the very least a colleague, and stop trying to score points in some sort of strangely drawn out, yet almost entirely unwatched, internet contest of argumentation. - Your close was wrong, and you should have most certainly left it to someone with less of a very clear chip on their shoulder towards me. Your words here make your close look worse than a supervote, in fact it looks more like an attempt to deliberately close the discussion (with blatantly no clear consensus) in a way that would be opposing to a particular editor's opinion (mine). That my colleague is not how coworkers act, that's how people with a clear grudge act. I suggest you leave this be, lest you make it any more obvious that you did not close this in good faith at all (seeing you apparently follow my administrative work so much, and seeing as I am the sole editor and creator of the portal). — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Please make the point you made here abundantly clear on your close. Otherwise, editors will draw very different conclusions from unstated assertions than the one you made on this talk page. Mitchumch (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
You say some crap like this again, and I will be in direct contact with ArbCom. Is your goal simply to antagonize me? I'd really like to know, because it's been a long time since you've done a single thing to help me in any fashion on this site. Or to even listen to my concerns for that matter. I would like an answer, in the same manner you do when you ask questions of admins. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Everyone might consider calming down a bit, see that all have probably acted in good faith, and that emotions run high every 50 years or so on the dates of Dr. King's death. Some editors care about this issue to a high degree, so I'd ask that everyone back off a bit, that nobody take anybody else to some kind of WikiCourt, and that everyone here actually consider joining the WikiProject which could use a few dozen members to make Misplaced Pages's Civil Rights Movement collection the equal to none in quality and accuracy. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:56, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Echoed to everyone involved - the frustration Misplaced Pages can cause is very rarely worth it. Let's either work on something else for a bit, or take 5 and go outside and enjoy the sun/rain/other atmospheric condition 💚 - TNT11:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Coffee , you are banned from my talk-page, until your near infinite ignorance and bullying recedes and/or you lose your self-perceived immunity to criticism. Best, ~ Winged Blades11:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps don't ping me then. At any rate, I'm fine with a mutual IBAN. You've done little but continuously cast aspersions about me for months, almost every time I interact with you or you come near an area I work in. So yes, if you stop pinging me, and no longer follow me around the site trying to cast aspersions to tarnish my name, I will abide by your proposed mutual interaction ban. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 13:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Images that are already tarnished are seldom worth to be more tended to.... At any case, as your (now-deleted) hitlist shew, you find some pleasure in assuming that there are hordes of folks, out over here, with the sole long-term aim to cast aspersions about you and your deeds etc. and I will merrily let you live with that. But, you would do well to believe that I've got far better things to do than follow you around the site.
Lastly, it may be noted that this mutual IBan only extends to each other's t/p and I reserve my right to indulge in any discussion starter by you or involving you, in some other venue, as much as you have the same rights as to any involving me. Best, ~ Winged Blades14:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks:) I will take a look. It's ought to be very problematic for your client, if other non-deserving folks get their own article, while he doesn't.Best, ~ Winged Blades09:02, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
For your kind info i am not a client. I am just reminding you cause you’re doing personal attacks so. I though that so i am reminding you the unusual articles. 27.34.20.152 (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman:--Apologies, if I was snarky. I know of a script that can mass-rollback edits on a particular-visible-page at contributions history, which makes the job quite easier given that you customise the contribs-page to fit a part. type of edit to part. project-spaces over a part. span.Will let you know, if I rediscover it:)~ Winged Blades14:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018
Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018
The 100 Skins of the Onion
Open Citations Month, with its eminently guessable hashtag, is upon us. We should be utterly grateful that in the past 12 months, so much data on which papers cite which other papers has been made open, and that Wikidata is playing its part in hosting it as "cites" statements. At the time of writing, there are 15.3M Wikidata items that can do that.
Pulling back to look at open access papers in the large, though, there is is less reason for celebration. Access in theory does not yet equate to practical access. A recent LSE IMPACT blogpost puts that issue down to "heterogeneity". A useful euphemism to save us from thinking that the whole concept doesn't fall into the realm of the oxymoron.
Some home truths: aggregation is not content management, if it falls short on reusability. The PDF file format is wedded to how humans read documents, not how machines ingest them. The salami-slicer is our friend in the current downloading of open access papers, but for a better metaphor, think about skinning an onion, laboriously, 100 times with diminishing returns. There are of the order of 100 major publisher sites hosting open access papers, and the predominant offer there is still a PDF.
Red onion cross section
From the discoverability angle, Wikidata's bibliographic resources combined with the SPARQL query are superior in principle, by far, to existing keyword searches run over papers. Open access content should be managed into consistent HTML, something that is currently strenuous. The good news, such as it is, would be that much of it is already in XML. The organisational problem of removing further skins from the onion, with sensible prioritisation, is certainly not insuperable. The CORE group (the bloggers in the LSE posting) has some answers, but actually not all that is needed for the text and data mining purposes they highlight. The long tail, or in other words the onion heart when it has become fiddly beyond patience to skin, does call for a pis aller. But the real knack is to do more between the XML and the heart.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Some pages have templates that describe problems with that article. There is now more information for mobile readers and what is wrong with the article and how they could help fix it.
The sort order of categories will have errors for a short time starting Monday 9 April (UTC). We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a script to update the database. This will take between a few hours and a few days depending on wiki size. You can read more details.
Tag filter titles will now work better on wikis where the tag filter title is in a language that is written in another direction than the language of that wiki. This could for example be an English title (written from left to right) on a Hebrew or an Arabic wiki (written from right to left).
Problems
The bookmark icon for saved filters on the recent changes page disappeared because of new icon changes. This has now been fixed.
For a week in March rollbacks got both the rollback and the undo tag on the recent changes page and other pages where you see tags. This has now been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 April. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 April. It will be on all wikis from 12 April (calendar).
Patrolled edits now have three states instead of two. Recent changes filters are updated to show unpatrolled, autopatrolled and manually patrolled edits.
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 April at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
AFAIR, there was a conversation on this issue, through another ticket, which caused me to lock this.I will be checking for the same:) ~ Winged Blades03:58, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
AfD
Hi, no need to use email here, best to have it in the open. I saw that the AfD was in "limbo", having never been closed with a definitive answer, and felt it was better if it was re-opened so that it could continue to its natural end. Sorry about using rollback, I clicked that as the easiest way to return it to its pre-close state, it certainly wasn't a comment on your previous closure. Black Kite (talk)10:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Winged Blades of Godric. You have new messages at Titodutta's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Hi there. Now I could need some help assessing notability. I came across Dr Anurag Agarwal in CAT:CSD and there seem a lot of hits for this name but I can't really assess the Indian sources to determine whether they are all about this subject. So I'd be grateful if you could have a look. Feel free to send it to AFD if you believe that notability is lacking. Regards SoWhy09:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@SoWhy:-Greetings:) I ran a search about the person in vernacular-local-media-sources but failed to drag up anything other than a bunch of Hindi PR-stuff.I would also note that none of the awards are remotely notable.Whilst, your decline was good-enough (It was definitely not A7, maybe G11...), I guess that the AFD will progress to an inevitability.And feel free to ask me to have a look about other Indian subjects, in future, as you may wish:)Best,~ Winged Blades11:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Adminship
Have you seen CAT:CSD this morning? Good grief, there's a lot of speedies on Indian / Pakistani biographies over there, and I haven't got the faintest idea what to do with half of them. I need some help. I'm sure there's a reason I haven't asked you before (possibly something dramah-related) but I can't think what. Ritchie33311:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
And, on a very-related note, thank you for your confidence in my activities.And, I think that the crux of this thread could be shifted to email-discussions.~ Winged Blades12:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I think starting a poll on ORCP might be the best bet. The basic AfD / CSD stats are great, and your knowledge of policy is fine, I think it's the general snark (see clash with Coffee above), a tendency to want to delete content instead of creating it (which is not a problem if done correctly, but may ruffle feathers) and regular visits to ANI may stick a spanner in the works. All that said, Indian biographies turn up all the time at NPP (as you've probably noticed) so we could really do with some more admins around that area. Ritchie33312:26, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I would say Go ahead Godric. I believe you would make a great admin. I never commented or participated in RfAs but I'm willing to support your nomination because you are one of the many outstanding, especially in AfDs space. --Saqib (talk) 04:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
I think Kudpung's current advice#last-?six-words-of, at ORCP apply perfectly. There are two good reasons for this, and I would tell you what they were—but that would mean treating you as an editor with whom I had never previously interacted. All the best, —SerialNumber5412913:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
Profiling statistics for an abuse filter tell how often edits match the filter. The statistics for the abuse filters were reset after 10000 actions. Wikis can now decide to reset it more or less often. They can file a phabricator task to do so.
Abuse filters will now treat integers and floats more precisely. For example, 5/2 was rounded down to 2 but will now be 2.5 and 2*4 will be the integer 8 and not the floating-point number 8.0. Division values are the only ones changed. For the rest only strict comparisons (=== and !==) will be affected leaving the values unchanged.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 April. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 April. It will be on all wikis from 19 April (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 17 April at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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Future changes
The new PDF renderer could not create PDFs from books. Books are in this case collections of pages on a Wikimedia wiki. PediaPress will take over development of the books-to-PDF function.
Pywikibot will no longer support Python 2.7.2 and 2.7.3.
Hi, it seems you have edited/removed some sections from articles Malabar Cements Limited and the section ' MCL, is the only Portland cement manufacturer in Kerala ', ' Logistic Hub ' you have edited was provided by with valid reference. But you have removed by claiming by simply saying SPAM.
In case of Kochi Metro Rail Limited company.,Kochi Metro as notable metro services the section ' Board of Directors ' was added as the starting directors of company. I don't have an idea whether it is relevant, but the section ' Solar Energy ' to be. It includes the method adopted by company to use the energy to run the services. I think the topic must be relevant to the subject. It may be i have no experience with writing up articles about company in en.wiki. As a experienced editor you could have help in improving the article, instead of just deleting the section.
@Jinoytommanjaly:--Sorry, a trivial coverage in the form of a news-entry about KMRL's use of solar energy is hardly encyclopedic-ally notable, (esp. given it's abundance, now-a-days).I also don't see any reason why a list of BOD fits into an encyclopedic entry.But, if you diasgree see dispute resolution methods.Best,
As to removal of Logistics Section, see why we aren't a news-stand.The Scribd document is unreliable (no author, public-uploaded et al).
Wishing you a belated new year with a traditional platter consisting of rice, mangoes and illishmacher jhol(from what I can make out). May you have a prosperous 1425. Keep on rocking ! — FR11:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
{{help me}} If am done article editing in the language malayalam, what will I do for submitting it in the contest??? Please help me ഐഷ (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, ഐഷ, once you have created any topic or expanded any topic from this list of topics, conforming to the project rules, kindly submit it for review by clicking on this link and follow the prompts, after hitting the big blue colored submit button, located at the top-right corner of the page.Happy editing! ~ Winged Blades12:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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The iOS and Android apps now have synced reading lists. This means you can save articles to a private list that can be seen on your other devices if you use the apps.
The visual editor and the 2017 wikitext ask you to write an edit summary after you press Publish. This button now also shows an ellipsis. This is to show that pressing Publish is not the last step.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 April. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 April. It will be on all wikis from 26 April (calendar).
Meetings
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Future changes
<mapframe> will come to most Wikipedias in May. This means that you can put interactive maps in the articles. Nine Wikipedias that use a strict version of flagged revisions will not get this feature in May.
The rollback function could change. This was a German community request. All editors with rollback rights can leave feedback on the proposed solution. The last day to leave feedback is 4 May (UTC).
Are you still editing Asaram ? I would like to make some changes, so wanted to make sure we dont conflict. DBigXray11:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
@DBigXray:--Thanks for the tea:) I'm not editing it currently and feel free to edit and improve the article. My redesign comment at the t/p referred to my edits made at the article on 11 and 12 April, 2018.Best, ~ Winged Blades11:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
This page is far, far too long: please remember that probably more than half internet accesses are now from tiny hand-held devices. I have taken the liberty of editing your user page - feel free to revert it. You will see in User talk:RHaworth#Article Removal a user saying "I thought it was how he suggested to get in contact with him". Admittedly they did no read your warning "you'll not be replied to". — RHaworth (talk·contribs) 13:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
The parameter for unpatrolled edits in recent changes filters changed name. You might need to update saved filters and links.
Problems
We are migrating wikis from Tidy to Remex. Because of a bug the 250 wikis which do not yet use Remex were switched on 23 April. This is two months early. This meant that pages with broken wikitext showed wrongly to readers. The bug was undone the next day. You can help fix broken wikitext to avoid this problem when your wiki switches. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. You can follow the process on Phabricator.
When an administrator blocks someone they will have a calendar they can use to choose when the block ends. This is to make it easier to pick a specific date.
You can soon turn on the Performance Inspector in the Editing section in your preferences. It shows information about the performance of pages. This could be the size of modules in the page, how many CSS selectors are defined on the page and how many are used, or the size of the images on the page. This tool is intended to help editors fix pages that load slowly.
There is a new abuse filter function called equals_to_any. You can use it to check if its first argument is equal (===) to any of the following ones. For example you can use it to check if the page's namespace is amongst a given set of values in a more compact way than you could earlier. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 May. It will be on non-Misplaced Pages wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 May. It will be on all wikis from 3 May (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 2 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
The Wikimedia Cloud Services team is working on a new project called Toolhub. The goal is to make it easier for Wikimedians to discover software tools they can use. You can leave feedback on the talk page or email jharewikimedia.org to leave private feedback.
All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in all namespaces will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 2 May. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Wikibooks wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch on 9 May. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018.
Request your assistance with Indira Gandhi Balika College, Rajesultanpur
Hi,
Could I ask you to assist with looking at Indira Gandhi Balika College, Rajesultanpur. This article was created by an editor with a history of less than stellar article creation. Articles he has created in the past have been copied and pasted from existing articles without changing the content or references. And in some cases, the very existence of the subject is in doubt. For example, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rajkiya PG College, Rajesultanpur. I believe that the Indira Gandhi Balika College has a similar issue. I've used Google translate look at the sourcing provided and the references appear to be for other schools. I understand that machine translation isn't always accurate so if you could have a look, it would be appreciated. I've searched as best I can, and I am unable to verify that this school exists. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 18:45, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.
Technical news
AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new equals_to_any function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.
Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Misplaced Pages on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Misplaced Pages and as president of Wikimedia Australia.
I have been watching some pages and am extremely concerned that there is large-scale tag-teaming and gaming going on to circumvent WP:NOCON. There's two articles where this behaviour is very suspicious with the same characters and same edit war tactics to retain the non-consensus revisions before obtaining page protections. Until now I have not been active on these articles but a concerned observer. Yesterday, starting at 06:05 this started on History of Gilgit Baltistan, resulting in a page protection (fortuitously) and it is continuing today with the same characters on Princely state where there is a major ongoing dispute on the talkpage. The page was quite stable until 30 April when a sleeper account (which has disappeared since!) turned up to do a revert of a longstanding edit made on the 5th of April (explained then, with no forthcoming objection until 30 April/1 May) and since then there is an ongoing edit war with the seeming intent to obtain a false WP:STATUSQUO while talkpage discussion is still going. Also transcluding this notification to other administrators. Hopefully you can settle it. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 05:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
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