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Sock or no sock, for that is irrelevant, someone who is under ethnicity claims restriction and aspersions restriction shouldn't be bringing up another user's claimed ethnic identity from within 1000 miles. He was banned from making ''any'' attempt to bring up another user's purported ethnicity. This is also actionable. I'm also unsure if ] is aware of this and could re-evaluate on the proposals.--] (]) 21:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC) Sock or no sock, for that is irrelevant, someone who is under ethnicity claims restriction and aspersions restriction shouldn't be bringing up another user's claimed ethnic identity from within 1000 miles. He was banned from making ''any'' attempt to bring up another user's purported ethnicity. This is also actionable. I'm also unsure if ] is aware of this and could re-evaluate on the proposals.--] (]) 21:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

If one goes through the archives they will find that Kautilya3 has already been cut a lot of slack by our sysops. He has convinced sysops before that his abuse of multiple accounts was "accidental" and he has even convinced them that his edit warring was not a 1RR violation because he "misunderstood" policy. I believe the administrators have already been too lenient in dealing with his wrongdoings. This is just stretching good faith over the limit. I request them to apply the same criterion on Kautilya3 which they apply to everyone else. There should be a single set of rules, not separate rules for Kautilya3 and another set for everyone else if Misplaced Pages is to maintain its stature.--] (]) 06:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)--] (]) 06:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


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    Crawford88

    Crawford88 is strongly cautioned to follow closely what sources actually state, be aware of WP:ASSERT, and not to overreach when writing article content based on reliable sources. --NeilN 21:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Crawford88

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Crawford88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard_discretionary_sanctions: From the definitions of discretionary sanctions, "Within the area of conflict, editors are expected to edit carefully and constructively, ...comply with all applicable policies and guidelines... etc" (emphasis mine).
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 08:30, 7 May 2018 Reinstates removed content in violation of WP:NPOV (because of its language) and of WP:V and WP:NOR because said language is not supported by the source in question. Furthermore, the reinstatement was made despite my having been explicit about the OR problem when removing said content.
    2. 08:32, 7 May 2018 Reinstates removed content in violation of NPOV. The source discusses defaming a government and a country; the content claims defamation of Hindus.

    At this point, I reverted the edits, once again describing the problems with them, and left a warning on this user's page, describing the specific problems with reinstating the edits. They essentially brushed off this warning.

    1. 04:47, 8 May 2018 Once again reinstates content in violation of WP:NOR and WP:V, despite having seen and responded to my warning above. This version addresses the "defaming Hindus" part of the problem, but reinstates the other original research and non-neutral language for a second time.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

    No previous sanctions.

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    Editor was alerted to discretionary sanctions in January 2017. While this was 15 months ago, it is a bit of a stretch to suggest they are therefore unaware of the sanctions, having edited in this topic area continuously since.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    There's several incorrect statements and fundamental misunderstandings in Crawford88's statement.

    1. I haven't used my administrator tools on this page, and as I am aware of WP:INVOLVED, am not likely to do so.
    2. "Hindu" and "Hindutva foot soldier" are not the same either, and if Crawford88 believes them to be, he is simply demonstrating his unsuitability for editing this topic.
    3. The importance of the content I removed is quite irrelevant, as is the presence of other sources. I removed the content because it wasn't supported by the cited source.
    4. Crawford reinstated it, thereby taking responsibility for it, in violation of our core policies. He still does not appear to see the problem with that. Neil, he's responded, as you asked; could you take a look? Vanamonde (talk) 05:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @RegentsPark: Well, they reinstated original research, were warned about it and reverted it, and then reinstated it again. This is far worse than a lost of behavior I've seen sanctioned here. You're right that an isolated incident may not be worth a sanction under normal circumstances; but that's only when we have some indication that it is an isolated incident, ie that it won't be repeated. Crawford88 hasn't even recognized problematic behavior here. Vanamonde (talk) 13:53, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Statement by Crawford88

    The two separate edits for which Vanamonde93 is crying foul are:

    • 'Allegation by media and Church organizations for a case involving a nun's rape and church vandalism': This case has gathered heavy mainstream attention and elections were fought over this issue calling it the tyranny by Hindu nationalist Sangh Parivar and BJP. The allegation by Vanamonde93 that the source only talks about "defaming a government and a country" is utter falsehood, as it specifically says, "Far from being a Hindutva foot soldier, as the CBCI, the media, commentators and the opposition had alleged, the man was a Muslim and, that too, a Bangladeshi!".
    • 'A certain talk show hosted by Tony Brown': This not so relevant in India, but for American Hindus, this incident's importance can be gathered by the documentation of this event in various books and journals. including the seminal Encyclopedia of African American History. WLS - AM 890 is a powerful and influential radio in US over 90 years old in which Brown expressed his anti-Hindu views.

    But, as this is an AE proceeding, the things I said about, which ideally should have been part of the discussions on the specific page's talk page discussion, are not relevant. This proceeding is a gross misuse of administrative privileges of Vanamonde93 which he uses to randomly targets well meaning Misplaced Pages users who do not tag his line. There has been two reverts by me (on two different days) and I have been careful of not violating any Misplaced Pages policy. So, instead of having a meaningful dialogue about why he considers there is WP:NPOV and absence of WP:V, Vanamonde93 jumps straight into threatening me of an AE proceeding (which to his credit he did). This is what (s)he's claiming to be constructive feedback, "blatant original research, non-neutral wording, and dodgy sources." without any specific instances or reasons.

    Highhandedness by Wiki moderators and administrators will only reduce the already waning credibility of Misplaced Pages in being neutral and welcoming of new editors and users. Crawford88 (talk) 05:20, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

    1. "Nun rape and church vandalism: The fringe is now mainstream". www.dailyo.in. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    2. "Nun rape and church vandalism: Hindutva idea or land-grabbing technique?". www.dailyo.in. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    3. "Christians Say They are Under Siege in India After Nun's Rape, Church Attacks". NDTV.com. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    4. Today, Christian. "Christians Outraged at WB Nun Gang-rape, Vandalism of Haryana Church". Christian Today. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    5. Kumar, M. Kumar R. (2009). Women Health, Empowerment and Economic Development: Their Contribution to National Economy. Deep & Deep Publications. ISBN 9788184501346.
    6. Finkelman, Paul; Wintz, Cary D. (2009). Encyclopedia of African American History, 1896 to the Present: From the Age of Segregation to the Twenty-first Century Five-volume Set. Oxford University Press, USA. ISBN 9780195167795.

    Statement by Sitush

    The example given by Vanamonde93 may be part of a pattern. I come across Crawford88 from time to time and have often thought them to be at best an apologist for Hindutva and at worst an outright proponent of it. Nothing wrong with holding an opinion, of course, but when one's political etc philosophy becomes self-evident in one's edits across a range of articles then it suggests that neutral editing is unlikely to be at the forefront. Recent examples include a spat (with associated edit warring) at Talk:Koenraad_Elst#Feb,_2018 and unexplained removals of categories relating to far-right politics in India around 18 April, eg here and here. Let's not make any bones about it: Hindu nationalism is regularly described as a fascist philosophy and anyone who thinks otherwise is going to have to work hard to support their opinion. We are not censored; Crawford88 should not be censoring. - Sitush (talk) 13:54, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Crawford88

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • @Vanamonde93:, as presented, this doesn't seem to be AE actionable unless you can document a pattern of POV editing in the area. @Crawford88:, bringing an issue to AE is not an admin action and is in no way a gross or otherwise "misuse of administrative privileges". I suggest you tone down your rhetoric, otherwise you're only supporting the complaint brought against you. --regentspark (comment) 13:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    • We cannot sanction Crawford88 because of the Arbcom-mandated awareness requirement. If there is no further input in the next few hours I will close this request with a strong caution to Crawford88 to follow closely what sources actually state, be aware of WP:ASSERT, and not to overreach when writing article content based on reliable sources. --NeilN 13:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

    DanaUllman

    As pointed out, this was a community sanction which replaced an expired or expiring ArbCom sanction. I will take it to ANI. Guy (Help!) 07:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning DanaUllman

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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    DanaUllman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced

    I think DanaUllman should be sitebanned for violation of sanctions under Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. asks for help undeleting article on Dana Ullman, and immediately veers into characteristic apologia for homeopathy itself.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy
    2. Indefinite topic ban
    3. User talk:DanaUllman contains discussion of the scope of this ban, DanaUllman is well aware that it applies everywhere.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    DanaUllman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a single-purpose account, he is, by admission, Dana Ullman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), a tireless promoter of homeopathy. He has made exactly one mainspace edit since his 2008 topic ban, and that was promoting a purveyor of bogus diagnostics, an article in the alternative medicine topic area and also potentially related to his business (he uses a radionics machine). He has been allowed to make comments regarding his own biography, but that has now been deleted.

    His edit history speaks for itself. The only time he strays from promoting homeopathy is when he is promoting himself. That is what he does off-wiki, as is his right. He has no such right here, and his editing history has been consistently problematic. The only topic in which he is interested, is one where he may not edit, and he has consistently tested and pushed beyond the boundaries of that ban. Guy (Help!) 20:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Statement by Spartaz

    this is the link for the closed discussion confirming the sanction. Curiously, the tban is a community sanction reimposing the arbcom tban. Buggered if I know whether its out of scope as a community not arbitration sanction or not. Spartaz 22:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by EdJohnston

    Per the 2012 Arbcom motion, it appears that Homeopathy sanctions were rolled into Pseudoscience. So this enforcement request should be handled as if it was asking for Pseudoscience enforcement. The 2012 motion was in effect dropping sanctions in some areas such as Gibraltar but for other topics, such as Cold Fusion and Homeopathy, it was reshuffling them under new headers. EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Result concerning DanaUllman

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • To the extent that a violation of a community topic ban is alleged, AE does not enforce community sanctions. To the extent that enforcement of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy is requested, the request does not make clear which specific remedy of that decision is to be enforced here, and why.

      But to the extent that discretionary sanctions may be requested, I would support a topic ban from the topic of Dana Ullman to stop the attempts at self-promotion. Sandstein 06:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Icewhiz

    Editors directed to WP:RSN to discuss Chodakiewicz. GizzyCatBella directed to write Icewhiz's name properly and reminded that communications on the English-language Misplaced Pages need to be in English. --NeilN 13:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Icewhiz

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    GizzyCatBella (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced

    Misconduct in two matters subject to discretionary sanctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Editing_of_Biographies_of_Living_Persons

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    The editor acted in a troublesome manner by targeted removal of references to the particular historian (Marek Chodakiewicz - a living person) on 12 different E. Europe related articles. Seldom in a threshold of 2 minutes in between edits. These appear to be thoughtless edits in a sole purpose of removing the historian as a source.

    1. 05:02, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Invasion of Poland with hitting edit summary -> "not about the invasion itself, questionable author, doesn't seem to be used here"
    2. 07:00, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers with beating edit summary -> "highly biased author making a very contentious claim - that should at the least be attributed, but probably doesn't merit inclusion"
    3. 07:02, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers
    4. 07:04, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans with the unclear edit summary
    5. 07:06, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans with misleading edit summary -> "UNDUE"
    6. 08:19, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peace of Riga
    7. 08:36, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Wąsosz pogrom
    8. 10:56, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans
    9. 11:08, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peace of Riga
    10. 11:23, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers
    11. 12:15, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Bielski partisans
    12. 12:20, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk pogrom with edit summary -> "Fringe view, not lede worthy, particularly since some of it is sourced to a bl"
    13. 12:26, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk pogrom
    14. 12:32, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Mokotów Prison
    15. 12:34, 8 May 2018 Removed source to interview with Chodakiewicz @ History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland
    16. 12:41, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk
    17. 13:07, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Vladimir Alganov
    18. 13:13, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Piotr Śmietański
    19. 13:29, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peter Vogel (banker)


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    • User filed (@ least twice) a call for discretionary sanctions himself, latest on May 7, 2018 . Also several times commented , they are well informed of the sanctions.
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    On March 8 the editor Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) started to make edits to the page of the living Polish historian Marek Chodakiewicz in a profoundly critical fashion. Edits continued until today. Then On May 8th, they went into a frenzy cruse removing any reference to Chodakiewcz from 12 separate Poland and the Holocaust articles under false or no valid justifications at all. GizzyCatBella (talk) 04:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


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    Statement by Icewhiz

    I have indeed been reviewing use of Chodakiewicz as a source - going over most of the uses of him on enwiki. Chodakiewicz is a highly WP:BIASED source (more below) even when writing in a peer-reviewed reviewed setting. While some of his writings have been published academically (in journals and more reputable publishers), much of what he writes is not published academically - varying from non-academic publishers, Polish newspapers of a particular bent, and his various blogs. I am willing to defend each and every one of those diffs if needed (and I'll note - GCB hasn't bothered to discuss) - in some cases I removed highly-biased statements that were made in Misplaced Pages's voice while representing a rather fringe view, in others I removed sourcing to blog posts, and in a few cases - I removed information that wasn't even in the cited source. It has been my impression that when editors resort to using a source such as Chodakiewicz - there are often other problems involved (both NPOV and V).

    As for Marek Jan Chodakiewicz -

    1. Besides being a historian, he's also a far-right activist.Newsweek 2017 For instance he's appeared in a rally of the far-right Ruch Narodowy and said: "We want a Catholic Poland, not a Bolshevik one, not multicultural or gay!".videoNewsweek.
    2. He's been covered by the SPLC (2009, 2017) and HopeNothate. Coverage in Newsweek.. You may read these for his views on gays, multiculturalism, Obama, genocide and whites in South Africa, Jewish communist collaboration, use of Rivers of blood, etc. Adam Michnik has gone so far as to compare his writings to the Protocols.
    3. In an academic setting, he's been described in a historiography source as the "most extreme spectrum in what is considered the contemporary mainstream ethnonationalist school of historical writing". You might see more with this search in these two books: . His recent book, Intermarium, as been described in a review in a peer reviewed journal as promoting the return of the pre-1772 Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and "there are conspiracies everywhere in this book".. Piotr Wróbel and Antony Polonsky have also critiqued him, with Wrobel saying "The book under review has a visible political agenda and is written in a language full of politically loaded key words. Everyone whose opinions are different than Chodakiewicz’s is a “pundit” (the author’s favorite word). Some, and this is really bad, are “leftist pundits." and "The Massacre is, in my opinion, difficult to read, unoriginal, irritating, and unconvincing" and Polonsky saying "It does not rise above the clichés of old-fashioned national apologetics" and "What is most striking about this book is the lack of empathy with those caught up in these tragic events.". I could go on.... Suffice to say that academic works by Chodakiewicz have been criticized quite a bit.

    Reviewing use of sources is what we do on Misplaced Pages - per WP:V, WP:NPOV. I submit that per WP:BIASED review of the use of Chodakiewicz is more than warranted, and obviously removing what doesn't pass WP:V - e.g. this diff GCB presents - in which we were ascribing to Chodakiewicz a claim he did not actually write in his political blog - is required per V policy as well and WP:BLP given we were falsely ascribing a statement to Chodakiewicz.Icewhiz (talk) 06:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Boomerang proposal: GizzyCatBella repeatedly introducing information from a self-published book by a questionable author that was refuted

    Note that the editor using GCB as a handle has admitted to editing as an IP as well - see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/GizzyCatBella - admission here and elsewhere. Editing as one of the IP's in GCB's range in April, GCB introduced the following - text and source. This was discussed as a source with GCB in Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#Your Life is Worth Mine: How Polish Nuns Saved Hundreds of Jewish Children in German-occupied Poland, 1939-1945 - E. Kurek (where this didn't receive support). In conjunction, we also discussed Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#"only German-occupied European country" with death penalty - in which Poland being the only country with the death penalty for helping Jews was outright refuted. Ewa Kurek is mainly covered for making stmts such as "Polish author Ewa Kurek, has claimed that Jews had fun in the ghettos during the German occupation of Poland during World War II.". And does not hold a significant academic appointment.. So far - one use of a questionable source. However, GCB then added a self-published book (iUniverse) in a number different articles -

    1. Revision as of 12:08, 25 April 2018.
    2. Revision as of 12:11, 25 April 2018
    3. Latest revision as of 10:04, 8 May 2018.

    I'll also note, given the circumstances that Poeticbent Revision as of 13:19, 25 April 2018 also re-added Kurek.

    GCB has not discussed this at the relevant article talk page (complaining instead on the wall of text - see Talk:Irena Sendler#Use of Ewa Kurek as a source and Talk:The Holocaust in Poland#Use of Ewa Kurek as a source) - and instead has been reverting. Use of a WP:SPS is a clear no-go, when it is a questionable author as well, making a claim that has been clearly refuted - it is even less acceptable. Repeated reversions of this without discussion are WP:IDHT. In an area with discretionary sanctions - editors are supposed to adhere to Misplaced Pages policy on WP:RS and WP:V - which is clearly not the case in the diffs above.

    Note I did open a Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#The Holocaust in Poland: Ewa Kurek & Mark Paul after the last revert - however this shouldn't have gotten to this - an editor re-inserting a self-published book, by a questionable author, with a false claim, repeatedly - in a sanctioned area!Icewhiz (talk) 07:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Addendum - GCB has also been possibly WP:HOUNDING my edits - as might be see in the editor interaction tool. In particular their decision to WP:ILIKEIT !vote in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Darioush Rezaeinejad diff, Revision as of 04:49, 7 May 2018 which I nominated - which is their 4th AfD page edited - in a topic area (Iran) which GCB has not edited at all (or much at all) is quite telling.Icewhiz (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    They've also, in a manner that seems intentional, been using "Itzewitz" (and variations thereof - as opposed to my user name) to refer to me, going back almost a month. which seems disrespectful and possibly WP:NPA.Icewhiz (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Beyond My Ken

    The disputing editors should open a discussion on the Reliable sources noticeboard if they cannot come to a consensus on the talk page.BTW, not to say "I told you so", but in the recent ANI scuffle about this topic area, I suggested that all the warring editors should be topic-banned from these articles under ARBEE, but no one was interested in doing so. This is not going to stop, the positions are too entrenched, and it's eventually going to end up in a full-blown Arbitration case, simply because admins wouldn't take positive action to control the subject area. This calls into question the effectiveness of discretionary sanctions if no one is willing to utilize them. I believe this situation to be a rare case of the failure of effective administration. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Page restriction for infobox addition and infobox discussion at Stanley Kubrick

    Infobox restriction posted at Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Bishonen | talk 10:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
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    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions#Standard discretionary sanctions

    I'm not sure whether page restrictions have ever been placed per the "Civility in infobox discussions" discretionary sanctions, so I thought I'd ask uninvolved admins here before I try it. There's been a long-running war about whether or not to have an infobox at Stanley Kubrick, with new discussions and "straw polls" erupting again and again on the talkpage, and with an infobox being repeatedly added to the article, and then promptly removed. The last explicit consensus on the matter (=no infobox) was back in 2015. I'm considering placing the following page restriction:

    "You must not start another infobox discussion here, nor add an infobox to the article, until the general infobox RfC is finished, or before 9 September 2018, whichever comes first, and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." Not an elegant sentence, but Template:Ds/editnotice is extremely constraining. (Note: mention of the general infobox RfC will be removed per below.)

    The template will also automatically add this text in smaller font: "An administrator has applied the restriction above to this page. This is due to an arbitration decision which authorised discretionary sanctions for pages relating to discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes. If you breach the restriction on this page, you may be blocked or otherwise sanctioned. Please edit carefully. Discretionary sanctions have been used by an administrator to place restrictions on all edits to this page. Discretionary sanctions can also be used against individual editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any Misplaced Pages policy and editorial norm. Before you make any more edits to pages in this topic area, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system and the applicable arbitration decision." And I thought I'd also add a comment from myself at the bottom of the page, to explain that if people break the restriction it's most likely because they haven't seen it (the top of the page is dominated in the usual way by a mass of, to me, uninteresting wikiprojects information that makes it unlikely anything else will be noticed or read, but I digress), and they shouldn't be dragged immediately to AE, but politely told about the restriction and asked to self-revert. Plus I'll also explain where to appeal against the restriction, namely, here on AE.

    My rationale is that we shouldn't abandon articles and contributors to endless bickering, but put the new discretionary sanctions to use, as I assume ArbCom intended when they set them. The general infobox RfC at the Village Pump has run into the sands and nobody seems up for closing it, which I don't wonder at. God, no. There was an unsuccessful attempt within that RfC to set a limit of six months for starting yet another infobox discussion on an article talkpage. As you can see, I'm offering a restriction of four months on Talk:Stanley Kubrick, where yet another straw poll has just started and been closed, after there was one in early April... Thoughts? Pinging Laser brain, who just posted an appeal for an infobox discussion break on Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Bishonen | talk 07:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC).

    • @Francis Schonken: but I'm only proposing it for Stanley Kubrick. I'll admit I hope it'll be the thin end of the wedge and lead to comparable page restrictions being placed on other articles with a troubled infobox history, but I'm not proposing it as a "default", nor do I have any notion very many articles will need any kind of infobox restriction. Note that my wording says "nor add an infobox to the article", which you have left out in both yours. It's quite an important part. For some other pages, with different histories and consensuses, one would presumably say "nor remove the infobox from the article". Also, I really want a date, rather than a generalized "within four months after a previous discussion mentioning that topic has been archived or formally closed", with its rich opportunities for lawyering. ('But it was closed by a non-admin!' 'But it was archived by a disruptive editor!') Also, the expiry parameter in your first suggestion doesn't work — I suppose the template doesn't have it. But I do appreciate the attempts to improve the wording. My proposal is certainly clumsy. (The template insists it must begin with "You" and end with "and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page", so it's quite the Procrustean bed.) Bishonen | talk 09:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • @NeilN: I have to be frank: I'm not well-read enough in general infobox discussions (because I kind of can't stand reading them) to know whether infobox disruption is confined to IPs and SPAs. That's one of the reasons reason I'd rather not bundle an extended-confirmed restriction with the other stuff on Stanley Kubrick. Also, it's an ingenious idea that would certainly sort part of the problem, but wouldn't it more be a suggestion for the general Village Pump RfC? Have you considered adding it there? Or is that RfC considered defunct? I mean, nothing against Good Day's talkpage, but how widely read is it? Bishonen | talk 14:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • @Francis Schonken: The Village Pump RfC has been put out of its misery? Good. That'll make it simpler, since its closing statement is no help (not the closer's fault, that, for sure). Then I'll just say "You must not start another infobox discussion here, nor add an infobox to the article, before", uhh.. "10 September 2018, and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." Neat. A bit of luck it didn't get closed a few hours after I'd posted the restriction. Thanks for telling me. Bishonen | talk 16:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC).

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    Statement by Francis

    Don't know whether any of these variants would be less convoluted:

    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not start a new discussion on whether or not to include an infobox in this article,|topic=cid|expiry=9 September 2018}}
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not re-initiate discussion on whether or not to include an infobox in this article within four months after a previous discussion mentioning that topic has been archived or formally closed,|topic=cid}}

    (the infobox of that particular article, mentioned in The Wall Street Journal two days ago, is way beyond a "default" option, that being the topic of the current RfC, so I wouldn't connect timing to that RfC) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    @Bishonen: oops, sorry, was only trying to get rid of the awkward time management formulation – new suggestions:
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not add an infobox to this article, nor start a new discussion on this talk page on whether or not to include an infobox in this article,|topic=cid|expiry=9 September 2018}}
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not add an infobox to this article without consensus establised by a ] discussion, nor should you re-initiate discussion on this talk page on whether or not to include an infobox in this article within four months after any previous discussion mentioning that topic on this talk page has been archived or formally closed,|topic=cid}}
    ... or some such ... (omit the text in square brackets for Stanley's article). Anyway, support the initiative FWIW. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Bishonen: the infobox RfC is closed now, so your original wording (I mean, its proposed time-schedule) would be a non-starter when introduced now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Laser brain

    I think this is a good idea. I've informally requested on the article talk page that it be given a break multiple times, but there is no sign of a stoppage of the series of proposals. Good-faith editors who are completely unaware of the history stumbling onto the page are one thing, but Hentheden, byteflush, and Siliconred have each opened proposals in the last two months with full awareness of the rocky road the article's been on for several months. It is becoming disruptive and I'd like to see some calm on this page. --Laser brain (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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    • Sounds like a good use of DS to me. GoldenRing (talk) 09:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Bishonen, this may be more controversial but you (and other admins placing editing restrictions) may want to restrict who can start such discussions on certain articles. I suggested this here. There are people out there who use IPs and sock accounts who don't really care about infoboxes but will start arguments about them just to stir up drama and poke at certain editors. I'm not saying the extended-confirmed restriction should be automatically be bundled in with your restriction, but rather considered as an option for certain articles. --NeilN 13:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Bishonen: Probably impossible to get community consensus on this and admins have leeway to judiciously apply whatever restrictions they see fit. Note I'm not suggesting restricting newer editors from participating in re-litigation but just from starting discussions. I know I'll be adding that restriction if I apply moratoriums on discussions. --NeilN 14:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Commenting as an admin, this is exactly why we applied DS to the topic area. My only suggestion is that you don’t tie this to a specific RfC, which is somewhat arbitrary. I’d just do two or three months from the last discussion closure and leave it at that. ~ Rob13 15:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Bishonen: Agree with Rob but largely for pessimistic reasons: I don't think that a large community RfC is likely to definitively resolve this issue, and tying it to that is unlikely to be helpful down the road (where even if the community resolves one issue, another is likely to occur, as they tend to.) I would suggest something like No discussions may be initiated about an infobox for at least 90 days after the close of a previous discussion. I'm neutral on the EC requirement Neil suggests. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Also, noting I saw the close after I read Bish's original proposal and Rob's response. Yeah, the RfC just reinforced the status quo, so I stand by my comment above. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
      • 90 days is way too short, IMO. We'd be having the same damn fuitful conversation four times a year. --NeilN 21:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
        • 180 days? 365 days? I don't particularly care, but I think it should be an ongoing DS and not just a one-off until September. This reminds me a bit of the Sarah Jane Brown RM where we did a 2 year moratorium. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
          • My thinking is September may be about the right time to try to do without the restriction — then, if the situation degenerates again, restore the restriction. After all, the infobox question isn't the heart and soul of the article; it's not like the kind of conflict that keeps Donald Trump eternally under page restrictions; people may conceivably forget the infobox issue once they've had a rest from it. But I'm not married to September, or any particular time. Bishonen | talk 22:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
            • Fair point, and its worth an initial try that way as this would be a first of it's kind. It's not exactly like page level restrictions are difficult to impose. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
          • (edit conflict) with Tony: And as for having the same footful (fateful?) conversation four times a year, NeilN, why should we? It's only because the very notion of a page restriction per the infobox case ds is new (to me at least) that I took it here in the first place; for the future it's the kind of thing I'd just do, as surely would most admins. Bishonen | talk 22:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
            • @Bishonen: We're talking about different conversations. Tony suggested a moratorium on article talk page discussions lasting 90 days. That would mean infobox discussions could start up four times a year. I would just apply a "fire and forget" restriction: New discussions cannot be opened until a year has passed after the close of the last discussion. --NeilN 22:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • OK, I'll close this soon, since I've received plenty of good advice; thank you all very much. I note that several people seem to prefer a time-scale something on the lines of "no infobox discussion until at least 90 days after a previous discussion has been archived/closed," rather than a set date. I just think a date is less susceptible to wikilawyering, per above. The disadvantage is that it will become obsolete, but, well, then it can be re-applied if still needed. I'd so much like to see a simple page restriction which needs no Kremlinology to interpret it, so I'm going with the set date to save all our nerves. Bishonen | talk 08:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
    • Theres a historic disapproval of arbitrators commenting at AE, but whatever: per my comment at your talk page, belated pile-on support for this appropriate use of infobox DS, and agree that a set date restriction is preferable. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

    GizzyCatBella

    Withdrawn by filer. Bishonen | talk 08:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
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    Request concerning GizzyCatBella

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    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    GizzyCatBella (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    1. Revision as of 21:14, 25 March 2018 Icewhiz issued DS alert on ARBEE by other user.
    2. Revision as of 04:53, 9 May 2018 - GizzyCatBella files AE against Icewhiz for ARBEE.
    3. Latest revision as of 16:08, 9 May 2018 Icewhiz issued DS alert on ARBEE issue by GizzyCatBella.
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    1. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive230#GizzyCatBella - blocked for 72 hours for ARBEE.
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    (+given sanction +filed case on 9 May on ARBEE).

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    WP:POINTy DS alert in violation of alert.dup, particularly that given their own AE filing today - GizzyCatBella was asserting I was aware of the sactions.Icewhiz (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    In addition - this edit by GCB at 16:25, 9 May 2018 (concurrent to filing) is a BLP violation as well as contrary to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 240#Holocaust history: Polish ambassador facebook post covered by wpolityce, and op-ed by Piotr Zaremba - consensus (by uninvovled editors) at RSN was that if this were to be included - it had to be attributed to the Polish ambassador in Poland - this is a right wing internet portal reporting on the Polish ambassador to Switzerland's facebook post - which is used to make a stmt in our voice on what Grabowski did - Subsequently, Grabowski acknowledged that his estimate was not the result of original research, but was based on referencing works of other historians, most notably Szymon Datner, and as reported by the Polish newspaper wPolityce: "Grabowski admitted that the number of 250,000 fugitives from the ghettos is based solely on his own estimates and selective treatment of Szymon Datner's works. Grabowski simply took into account the maximum number of escapes from the ghetto suggested by Datner, but he rejected his estimates of the number of survivors. According to Grabowski—if you subtract the number of survivors (in his opinion only 50,000 people) from the number of fugitives, you will get 200,000. Grabowski, therefore, stated that this was the number of Jews murdered by Poles.".Icewhiz (talk) 16:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Bishonen: - Had this been a simple mistake, I would not have filed. However in this case GCB filed a baseless AE complaint against me, claiming ARBEE awareness, and the after that AE was rejected issued a POINTy DS alert. Note they did not do this formality concurrent to the AE, but after. This is not a simple mistake - as either the AE filing was done in bad faith, or the alert was issued in bad faith. Since they had claimed correctly that I was aware of ARBEE due to me filing an ARBEE AE in 7 May 2018 against another user - they were well aware, at the very least, that I was aware until 7 May 2019. Finally, I submit that a user whose main contribution of late is getting blocked for edit warring on a sanctioned page, and making edits sourced to coverage of Facebook posts, Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#The Holocaust in Poland: Ewa Kurek & Mark Paul, Marek Jan Chodakiewicz (including political blogs), Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Leszek Pietrzak, and others - some of which were self published - is NOTTHERE for Polish/Jewish history - this is a NPOV and RS issue - however that is a harder case to make (mainly since it leads to a TLDR complaint) - then a clear alert.dup violation (after filing an AE claiming awareness) - the alert here was a clear duplicate - and at the very least there is a WP:CIR regarding policy and finding the previous alert (which is not that hard to find).Icewhiz (talk) 03:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    I also add (not TLDR) - this diff on a BLP - Peter Vogel (banker) - which is a BLP violation (user was alerted BLP sanctions here). "World Politics Watch" (www.worldpoliticswatch.com - this seems defunct / taken over) does not fit WP:BLPSOURCES. The removal of the material was clearly marked with BLPSOURCES.Icewhiz (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    I sincerely missed the previous alert that was given to Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and entered the template in good faith. I even wrote that I couldn't see it before inserting the alert template. I wrote:

    • I know you are aware of this but I couldn't find any record of you being properly informed about it in the past. So here you go, now it is official for easy reference.

    If I could find the alert and I knew that it had existed already I would refer to it yesterday -> I didn't because I couldn't find it and wrote this instead:

    • User filed (@ least twice) a call for discretionary sanctions himself, latest on May 7, 2018 . Also several times commented , they are well informed of the sanctions.

    It's evident that I honestly missed the alert when I was looking for it, and I was honestly thinking that I'm doing the proper thing. User Icewhiz instead has chosen to retaliate and possibly take revenge for me filing a complaint against him yesterday. He could have just told me about the fact that he already has been informed instead of coming here. I would remove the template. His hostile attitude is very troublesome.GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    • PS to the "In addition" it refers to this conversation on the talk page and not to what they claim. This is what I wrote : I advise any uninvolved administrator taking a closer look at editing record of Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) at Poland related articles to have a proper judgment of the alarming conduct. Please let me know if it is mattering and you need to hear my further rationale. Thanks GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Admin. Additions to this report of bogus infringements resemble Icewhiz behavior while editing the articles. Stance ALWAYS uncompromised and threatening, changes radical, often turning the narrative of the articles by 180 degrees. Edit summaries are often misleading. If challenged, responds with walls of confusing text, full of "TLDR, BLP, ARBEE, RSN, PPP, WCH, PCHRT, etc." abbreviations to create an appearance of credibility. I invite you guys to have a look at his edit history if you have time and energy for this of course, if not I understand. Until last month I was excited that I can dedicate my free time to build this great project, but I have to tell you that my enthusiasm is slowly evaporating.GizzyCatBella (talk) 08:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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    • Am I reading this right? Icewhiz, are you asking for GizzyCatBella to be sanctioned for giving you a discretionary sanctions alert when you had already been given one by another editor? The earlier alert was in March, I see. Seriously? Your quote "Any editor who issues alerts disruptively may be sanctioned" means people may be sanctioned if they issue alerts over and over. If they pester and harass you with them. Not for making a mistake once! I bet that has happened to lots of people. It happened to me last month. Please use common sense. I see you also bring up another diff in an "additional comment", but I have some trouble understanding that one. If that diff is actually the meat of your complaint, please try to reformulate it in a more pedagogical way. If it's not, you had better withdraw the complaint about the extra alert before an admin sanctions you for posting a "groundless or vexatious complaint", per the notice on this page. Bishonen | talk 22:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • Unhelpful report. It doesn't tell us what is supposed to be wrong with these alerts. The Grabowski stuff looks like a content dispute. I would take no action. Sandstein 05:54, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Rafe87 has now been notified properly of discretionary sanctions and the assumption is that they fully understand the editing restrictions and behavioral expectations involved in the area. --NeilN 16:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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    יניב הורון (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Rafe87 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:1RR of ARBPIA :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. First revert
    2. Second revert in less than 24 hours
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Moreover, the section of anti-Arabism in Israel falls into ARBPIA. Therefore, per third bullet of ARBPIA, if an edit is reverted by another editor, its original author may not restore it within 24 hours of the first revert made to their edit. User was supposed to wait at least 24 hours after my revert before reinserting his disputed content full of POV-pushing, unreliable sources, labels and Op-Eds. But a mere 14 hours later he restored it anyway.

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    Statement by Rafe87

    Statement by Shrike

    NeilN This is correct but now that he know.He have a chance to self revert.--Shrike (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

    I think in general everyone should have a chance to self-revert especially if its 1RR--Shrike (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by TheGracefulSlick

    GoldenRing this editor has been blocked for edit warring, been brought to AE before for 1RR, and warned about 1RR several times over. How many more can/should be afforded to them before we understand that they are ineffective?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

    NeilN I had a dull moment. I was looking at the diffs like יניב הורון was the one being reported. Since this looks like the editor's first warning, disregard my previous statement.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Capitals00

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    Request concerning Capitals00

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    JosephusOfJerusalem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Capitals00 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard_discretionary_sanctions:
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. ″You can keep the wikilawyering nonsense with yourself″ WP:PERSONALATTACK
    2. ″Making up nonsense would result in sanctions against you. You know that NadirAli has WP:CIR issues, just like you do″ WP:PERSONALATTACK.
    3. ″Looks like he told you to come here and misrepresent the entire issue for him.″ He is casting WP:ASPERSIONS on a senior editor in good standing Samee.
    4. ″Your WP:CIR issues are not even limited to this. You had exhibited similar incompetence on entire Sino-Indian conflicts.″ Rudeness and incompetence accusations during content disputes with editor The Discoverer.
    5. ″Given you have been a totally disruptive editor from the get-go″ More bad-faith accusations in content disputes. Also a WP:PERSONALATTACK.
    6. ″Misrepresenting Indian position when you believe it will help you pushing your POV,″ Bad-faith accusations.
    7. ″so why you are engaging in this disruption now? You have issues with WP:CIR and WP:IDHT and that's the only issue″ More display of bad faith and accusations in content disputes.
    8. ″now it is being followed by your typical WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behavior and repeating same boring refuted arguments.″ More accusations and personal attacks.
    9. ″Mar4d Stop engaging in this usual IDHT″ Same as above.
    10. ″I was only refuting your senseless excuses for denying Indian victory″ Clear WP:TENDENTIOUS attitude and WP:PERSONALATTACK.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. The block log shows a history of blocks for edit war, disruptive and tendentious editing.
    If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see )


    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This user has a tradition of accusing any editors he has disagreements with to be ″incompetent″, abusing WP:IDHT in content disputes and general incivility. There's a lot of bad-faith comments and ad hominem personal attacks coming from him. The environment this user is creating throughout the project, regardless of topic area, is unhealthy for Misplaced Pages editing. The block log shows that this historic behaviour is not improving. Which is why I think a very long block is in order. I am going to invite administrator Sandstein who dealt with a similar case with similar users to take a survey of these cases. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 07:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Capitals00 by JosephusOfJerusalem

    Well lets see your defense case. It has not yet been decided by the administrators at Copyright problems/2018 May 10 that there have definitely been copyright violations yet your WP:PERSONALATTACKs and repetitive uncivil accusations of incompetence against NadirAli and SheriffIsInTown are unceasing and relentless. So you were already skating on thin ice there. Your response also does not address the uncalled for WP:ASPERSIONS you cast on Samee. This comment is nowhere near the level of WP:PERSONALATTACK the way your comment is in diff 8. WP:BRD here is no justification for this rude (diff 4) vitriolic accusation of incompetence by you on The Discoverer's talkpage. As for Talk:Siachen conflict it does not matter what consensus is or not until it has been reached. You were making accusations of incompetence and generally incivil replies while discussion was ongoing.

    Now for your offense case, which is a classic deraiment which cannot justify your misconduct (read WP:NOTTHEM) lets break it down. Going by this user's edit history it is definitely a sleeper account, last active in 2016, then showed up to do a revert and vitriolic talkpost before disappearing and not responding ever again on Talk:Princely state despite the disruption caused. This comment on my talkpage was not a WP:PERSONALATTACK, not least considering that in that context the discussion was initiated by a spurious accusation against me of making ″deceptive pov edits″ (a reference to this plain verifiable edit which has no POV). This edit is an entirely verifiable edit which you wrongly call ″gossip″. The rest of your diffs about me are either before Bishonen's advice or they are a misrepresentation of my messages of appeal to administrators to stop edit wars. The latter is not WP:CANVASSING.

    Again read WP:NOTTHEM. Your misconduct stands unjustified. The evidence concerning you is definitely more extensive than 10 diffs if I really put my mind to collecting them. An example can be your revert of a WP:STATUSQUO version of History of Gilgit Baltistan with a deceptive edit summary of WP:BRD and again here just today after Mar4d was kind enough to restore the WP:STATUSQUO. It is also worth noting you had no prior or subsequent participation at Talk:Princely state despite the false use of WP:BRD in your edit summary.

    Response to Raymond3023 by JosephusOfJerusalem

    You have not addressed any of Capitals00's misconduct. Rather you have engaged in WP:IDHT by repeating Capitals00's arguments which I have already quashed here.

    Perhaps it is natural you will defend Capitals00 and D4iNa4 given your history of coordination with them. I point to the evidence of WP:TAGTEAM here

    1. See Raymond3023/Capitals00 coordination
    2. See D4iNa4/Raymond3023 .
    3. The same voting is also more evidence.. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Power~enwiki by JosephusOfJerusalem

    This is a critical analysis of your comment, here. You claim ″The Balochistan one makes nobody look good; perhaps those diffs should be ignored.″ I think you are mistakenly making a false equivalence and making a broad generalisation by unfairly painting everyone with the same brush without due regard to the behavioural facts.

    Lets take a look at what happened. The first reply was from Samee, the second was from me. There were no personal attacks or direct comments about specific editors by either of us. According to Dennis Brown a bit of minor push and shove is okay. Now here is Capitals00's reply to both of us. It is certainly not a minor push and shove. Capitals00 cast WP:ASPERSIONS on Samee, ″Looks like he told you to come here and misrepresent the entire issue for him.″ He also attacked me directly and personally without provocation, ″Making up nonsense would result in sanctions against you. You know that NadirAli has WP:CIR issues, just like you do.″ Now lets take a look at my reply. Can you see any WP:PA in my recitation of the guidelines? Compare this with Capitals00's next response, ″You can keep the wikilawyering nonsense with yourself.″

    Now lets get to the Capitals00-SheriffIsInTown exchange. This is SheriffIsInTown's comment with no WP:PA. This is Capitals00's reply, ″I believe though that you have no issue with them since your actual motive is to defend NadirAli, no matter what you have to say.″ SheriffIsInTown replied again, with no WP:PA to which Capitals00 answered with this. The next part of the chat is not bad . It continues until Capitals00 resumes the personal attacks, disruption accusations and CIR taunts on SheriffIsInTown, ″In place of whinning over these reports ...Seems like you don't even know what is a copyright given your CIR issue...Stop wishing that editors should allow you and NadirAli disrupt as much as you want.″

    Going through this history shows that the problem is coming only from Capitals00's ″side″ here. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    power~enwiki: The ″retaliatory″ suggestion was in response not to the copyright violation claim, which is itself yet to be decided, but a response to this block demand in Capitals00's comment, ″I would urge admin to block him″. I do not believe there is an equivalence between the users there. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    power~enwiki: This ″wiki-lawyering″ can not justify this attack, nor this earlier one. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 04:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    power~enwiki: You endorsed a T-Ban for me. Once again, I am going to ask you which diffs convince you that is necessary? I have already replied to you here about those which you mentioned. List the rest please. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 04:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Justlettersandnumbers

    Can you point out the diffs of ″combative behaviour″? I have already explained in length here, with detailed explanation of diffs, that the problems are entirely one-sided. I agree with SheriffIsInTown's statement that the behavioural problems of a few editors are being unfairly thought of as a problem from everyone. There is no need to create a false equivalence between everyone for the bad actions of a few. Justice does not mean collective punishment, it means identifying the culprit, this is not a Catholic high school where the whole class gets lunch detention because of a few naughty students. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Vanamonde93 by JosephusOfJerusalem

    I don't think its appropriate for you to comment here because you are involved in much of where Capitals00 is and you are also quite evidently friendly with and defensive of Kautilya3. The user you are protecting calls simple edits such as these "deceptive POV edits" and calls my verifiable editing "smearing." He also thinks these simple and verifiable edits are some sort of game. This is an exhibition of battleground behaviour. And shortly after making an incorrect equivalence between me and Capitalsoo's blatant misconduct to ask that I also be blocked with Capitals00, he decides to revert a more than week old edit of mine on a page where both of us had been active and where he had not reverted me before now, since I made the edit. This opportune timing to revert me after commenting against me is also a textbook example of his WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Vanamonde93, if you think I am not innocent why not prove it with diffs? As I said you are involved. You have long associations with Kautilya3. Its not right for you to comment here. The issue of involved administrators has been brought up on AE before. And if you seriously want to evaluate everyone's behaviour look at this. After I created this section on Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus Kautilya3 left this notice on my talkpage. He accused me of "targeting editors" just because I opened sections with user names in the headings. What's remarkable is that he does that himself, but that is not targeting editors? Just last month he created a section on Talk:1947 Jammu massacres with a heading calling my edits "Poor quality edits". He also accused me then and there of making "POV edits" and fighting "silly games" because of this verifiable edit. Evidently, when I see other TPs, I am not the only user having this issue of double standards with him. Sandstein I would encourage you to look at the evidence I have given about Kautilya3 here. I belive they are very much a net negative for the encyclopedia. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 06:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    @GoldenRing: I don't think what has been given attention to is that this is a misconduct issue more than anything else, which spans more than the India-Pakistan topic area. This diff is a case in point. Topic bans won't be of any help in breaking the personal rudeness and incivility impasse, which is the main concern of my report. It will just continue in other topic areas. This issue can only be dealt with by interaction bans. That way the rudeness can be dealt with. I don't think topic bans are necessary at this point. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 12:39, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    @GoldenRing: You just added me to the list. Can you provide the diff you are basing such a decision on? As in, where have I shown incivility that warrants such an idea? JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 12:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    Collective treatment (punishment) is not the answer which will mete out justice. If justice is to be done the admins need to evaluate each user ;;individually. If the admins feel they don't have the time to do individual evaluations I will withdraw this case. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 13:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to GoldenRing by JosephusOfJerusalem Pt.1

    You have cited these three diffs, (diff1,diff2,diff3) as ″evidence″ of my misconduct. I made no personal attack here, I was just making a general comment about the nature of the indefinite block request that it seemed like a disproportionate retaliatory request because of NadirAli's involvement in a SPI against Capitals00 in the recent past. According to Dennis Brown a bit of minor push and shove is okay. What is exactly wrong in my recitation of Misplaced Pages guidelines here? It was the most civil response I could give to this inflammatory comment. I deserve marks for keeping my cool in the face of such heat, not punishment. And this diff is by no means a misconduct because WP:RPA entitles any editor to remove personal attacks. My AfD nomination here is by no means actionable. It is an article with only two references, one of them called the "News Laundry". This is also a civil reply considering the heat I was up against. I heeded Bishonen's advice and I did not make any more comments like that after his message on my talkpage. And how is my participation here battleground mentality? I have faced problems with some users' conduct and thats all I wanted dealt with. And why don't you look at Kautilya3 's actions? He calls simple edits such as these "deceptive POV edits" and calls my verifiable editing "smearing." He also thinks these simple and verifiable edits are some sort of game. Isn't this an exhibition of battleground behaviour? And look at this. After I created this section on Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus Kautilya3 left this notice on my talkpage. He accused me of "targeting editors" just because I opened sections with user names in the headings. What's remarkable is that he does that himself, but that is not targeting editors? Just last month he created a section on Talk:1947 Jammu massacres with a heading calling my edits "Poor quality edits". He also accused me then and there of making "POV edits" and fighting "silly games" because of this verifiable edit. Evidently, when I see other TPs, I am not the only user having this issue of double standards with him. You should also consider what I have to face and the civility I have maintained in spite of all this. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 20:43, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to GoldenRing by JosephusOfJerusalem Pt.2

    @Lord Roem: NadirAli has just pointed out that Kautilya3 has contravened his ethnicity claims restriction you imposed on him. I was not aware of this restriction otherwise I would have filed a separate report for Kautilya3 earlier. Kautilya3 is now claiming through retrospective reasoning that their reference to me being a Jewish historian was actually a reference to my study of Jewish history. They likely drew the idea of this excuse from my answer to NadirAli's question. Your restriction quite explicitly stated that any attempt to bring up a user's ethnicity would lead to an immediate block. And Jewish is certainly an ethnicity. He shouldn't have mentioned it at all. If they were truthful they would have clearly said historian of Jews. He did not. This is a violation and he is now trying to wriggle his way out by giving a new meaning to his words, as I said, through ex post facto reasoning.
    I have also already given the admins evidence here about Kautilya3's uncollaborative attitude in editing. I also don't buy his claim of WP:NPOV. You can see this as an example. On Talk:Princely state he is trying and stonewalling to include Kalat, a Baloch state, as a state annexed by Pakistan but is arguing and stonewalling against the inclusion of Manipur, a state that India annexed. Its also important that Kautilya3 was very close to another sealioner (later caught out as a sock) Ms Sarah Welch who also did stealthy biased editing. This ″closeness″ can be seen by this comment which shows Ms Sarah Welch even knew what Kautilya3 was doing in real life. I also read in a recent SPI that Kautilya3 even misrepresented sock policy to protect Ms Sarah Welch from a block.. Given such behaviour I don't think his claims can be given any credibility. I also pinged GoldenRing to take a look at the evidence and not ignore the double standards I have had to put up with from this user. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    I also just noticed the aspersions restriction. Surely his accusation against me of making "deceptive POV edits" in this simple edit comes under WP:ASPERSIONS? JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    I would also ask that Kautilya3 cease any more references to my heritage because he is under ethnicity claims restrictions and it disturbs me. I don't recall calling him by his nationality. It should be fair. Kautilya3 also continues to praise Ms Sarah Welch and doubts that she was a sock. After that he also claims he is not an involved party here. This despite his presence on most of these diffs and the way I have been treated by him. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 04:03, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    "Deceptive POV edits"

    So this is Kautilya3's justification for calling my edit a "deceptive POV edit". I am going to deconstruct this. 1. NadirAli pointed out that the journal was available online. 2. So this is an organisation funded by the Indian Ministry of Defence. I changed "shaping" to "influencing" because I did not think there was a big deal of a difference. In fact "shaping" in my book implies greater "influence" so I actually toned it down and made it sound extra-neutral. 3. I added "claims to be" before "autonomous and non-partisan" because it came from self-published sources and is a self-sourced claim. 4. I added "independent" to a Pakistani think tank because that is what Pluto Journals, respectably associated with JSTOR called it. I do not accept the sources Kautilya3 added (over the protests of other users) because I think Pluto Journals is more qualified to know the nature of that institution than journalists. The above were essentially content disputes and I know shouldn't be here on WP:AE. But what I am trying to say is that he had no right in any way to call my edit "deceptive POV". JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 03:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Seraphimblade by JosephusOfJerusalem

    Seraphimblade, Lets leave Kautilya3's restrictions aside for a moment. If you think I should be sanctioned for such mild words here, diff1, diff2, diff3, then why shouldn't the same stick be applied to Kautilya3 for these threats and condescending remarks?

    1. "Oh boy! You broke my heart. I was so looking forward to your approval and admiration :-): But, guess what, your "disappointment" is not grounds for deleting well-sourced and NPOV content. Your supposed objections are::* The section should be called "extent of electoral malpractice". That is fine by me.:* The actual malpractices should be covered as well. Yes, who would dispute that?:* Problem with too many ATTRIBUTIONS? Are you joking?:* SYNTHESIS between SECONDARY and PRIMARY? What exactly? And if there was such SYNTHESIS, what is the problem with it? See WP:CALC and WP:SYNTHNOT: I think a mass revert of a dozen-or-so edits based on spurious WP:IDONTLIKEIT reasons is quite crossing the line. Please be assured that you do not have a right to do such reverts. You need to justify that everything you have reverted has a policy-based reason for it."
    2. "Well, I must say you are incredibly eager to hit the revert button, but remain totally evasive in the discussion that follows. What sentence have you found a problem with? Why is it CHERRYPICKED or UNDUE? You mean to say that you have read the journal article in the fifteen minutes it took you do the revert and figured out that the sentence represented a "CHERRY"? Produce your evidence. What does the article say, and how is the sentence a "CHERRY"? You have 24 hours, failing which you will end up at WP:AE."

    If you want more proof then look at this. Kautilya3 left a message on PeerBaba's TP telling him to slow down his editing because of WP:NPOV issues. Okay fine. But why so aghast if I had similar objectons about their edits. He accused me of "spurious WP:IDONTLIKEIT revert" (see diff). His patronising attitude is widespread.("Your WP:SOAPBOXing for Pakistan include statements like...You have to maintain WP:NPOV and give equal WP:WEIGHT for both India and Pakistan. This is not Pakistanopedia!") Can't you see the battleground attitude?

    My alleged misbehaviour () was before Bishonen's advice to me. Therefore I should be cut some slack about those diffs. I want to ask you Bishonen, that if my "bad faith" warranted this message in February why can't the same be told to Kautilya3 for his accusation of deceptive POV editing, on my TP? All I am saying is that I want equitable treatment. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 02:34, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Capitals00

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by Capitals00

    Looks like JosephusOfJerusalem is back to his usual modus operandi by filing frivolous report on this board to get rid of his opponents like he has also done before.

    10 diffs from last 4 months is all he got? When you are wasting time of majority of editors by going against consensus and engaging in disruption, you just can't expect other editors not to cite WP:CIR and WP:IDHT or react. To reply all those cherrypicked diffs, it is a mere reaction when you see hoards of disruption by editors engaging in violations of WP:OR(diff 8), WP:COPYVIO(diff 5), WP:BRD,(diff 4) WP:NPA/WP:IDHT(diff 1),(diff 2), (diff 3), (diff 6 and diff 7), (diff 9), (diff 10). Citing WP:CIR is not a personal attack, because that page is "an explanatory supplement to the disruptive editing guideline" per community consensus. Much of the diffs here comes from Talk:Siachen conflict where consensus was to include what I supported. Why you can't show diffs where I was going against consensus or I had been problematic and had no consensus for edits?

    JosephusOfJerusalem has always engaged in personal attacks:-

    • "page was quite stable until 30 April when a sleeper account" (referring a long term editor as "sleeper")
    • "People who have battles to fight and socks in contact will have the L-RD"
    • "removing POV warrior's bad faith message"
    • "removing threats from the POV warriors"
    • "bad faith warning by a disruptive editor on the verge of being blocked"

    And rest of the diffs of this report and below one comes from Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2018 May 10, where JosephusOfJersualem has defended copyright violation by falsely claiming that "I could not find any copyright violations". Now that is clear evidence of WP:CIR and WP:DE, and he also attempted to selectively censor a comment that he didn't liked. Clearly he has competence issues and thinks that it is a personal attack if WP:CIR has been cited to him, despite his defense of copyrights violation and clear WP:IDHT.

    In a separate incident from February 2018, he was arguing against 4 editors and alleging of them failure of "WP:LISTEN" and engagement in "WP:CANVASSING", ""WP:DISRUPTION". It shows that he resorts to falsely allege others of misconduct only because he is not getting consensus for his POV.

    He had been also warned by Bishonen for this problematic editing. However there has been no improvement and the attitude of this editor has only worsened. Furthermore, Bishonen had asked him if "there anything you'd like to share about any previous account/s?" given he registered on 18 October 2017 and has been too professed when it comes to WP:GAMING. JosephusOfJerusalem suspiciously removed that message.

    I would request an indefinite topic ban on JosephusOfJerusalem per evidence above as well as for the following:-

    • WP:EDITWAR: edit warring on Jawaharlal Nehru by promoting controversial gossips, despite having no support for his problematic edits. Edit warring on Indian nationalism.
    • WP:CANVASS: Canvassed multiple editors to help him in his edit war by restoring his preferred version.
    • WP:CIR: Defending copyright violations as noted above. Misrepresentation of "WP:STATUSQUO on talk pages, by restoring new edits that have no consensus.
    • WP:BATTLEGROUND: Usually prefers to allege others of bad faith,, create frivolous AfD of notable subject, cites unrelated policies to derail discussion. Capitals00 (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


    @GoldenRing: As the saying goes, there is no fire without smoke. Since sanctions are based on actual evidence of disruption, we need to check that who is really making problematic edits and helping most in creating unnecessary problems for further ruining the collaborative environment despite past sanctions and warnings. Razer2115 has provided some evidence for SheriffIsInTown and I have already provided evidence against JosephusOfJerusalem above. My analysis about others concerning their very recent disruption is as follow:-

    • NadirAli: 3 reverts in 38 minutes on Princely state,, restored copyvio and failure to admit copyright violations, generalization of sources by nationality, hostile behavior, rehashing a rejected SPI. (WP:HARASS).
    • NadirAli was site-banned by ArbCom and topic banned by ArbCom upon return from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. He is currently topic banned from image uploads, was blocked in relation to WP:ARBIPA as recently as June 2017, and has been brought to ARE multiple times during last year and already had enough warnings.
    • TripWire: edit warring against consensus on Siachen conflict, copyright violation, IDHT and personal attacks.
    • In 2015, he was topic banned for 6 months from Pakistan politics and Pakistani-Indian conflicts. In 2016, he was topic banned from Balochistan articles for 3 months and put under a "casting aspersions" restriction" along with Kautilya3. On February 2018, he was blocked for violating subject restrictions and was warned by Dennis Brown that "likely a topic ban will be used next".
    • He was never sanctioned before in relations to WP:ARBIPA. Though he has been most disruptive as per the evidence.

    If these editors had been sanctioned earlier, I don't think any of these problems would be arising to this extent. I believe that NadirAli and TripWire are the only candidates that deserves to be topic banned because it has been already proven that previous topic bans on their accounts have not worked. I am 100% hopeful that things will surely improve without having these two editors in this area.

    The language that I have used had to be a lot better, about which I agree. But so far no evidence of problematic article editing has provided for me and D4iNa4, and we have not engaged in edit warring, IDHT, OR, COPYVIO, or any other forms of WP:DE. MapSGV has not a participated in any of the disputes that you have linked, why you have proposed a ban on him?

    I am watching SPI that concerns JosephusOfJerusalem though his above filibustering is difficult to follow. I guess a topic ban on him is not really going to hurt. As for SheriffIsInTown and Mar4d, I believe that they would carefully read this complaint and indeed avoid the actions that resulted the situation. Capitals00 (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Raymond3023

    Ironic to see an offensive editor, editing with a battleground mentality, often assuming bad faith and demonstrating significant competence issues is talking about "civility".

    These two reports are result of the failure of JosephusOfJerusalem to get his preferred non-consensus version of Princely state protected after trying hard for it.

    It is fair to say that JOJ is a case of WP:CIR and probably WP:NOTHERE, since he is mostly engaging in ethnic POV battles, similar to "Towns Hill" (a banned sockmaster).

    JOJ's failure to understand copyrights, STATUSQUO, and misrepresentation other relevant policies while mass canvassing other editors with the hopes that he would receive some support for his frivolous report shows that having him topic banned or blocked indefinitely would be best for us. Raymond3023 (talk) 10:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by MBlaze Lightning

    This is frivolous complaint; there is nothing in the diffs which would even remotely constitute "personal attacks". Also, it is worth mentioning that the majority of the diffs in question are months old—some of them dates back to February, 20 i.e. they are stale. Things get heated up in these subjects, especially when you are dealing with clear WP:OR, WP:COPYVIO, WP:NPA, WP:IDHT, but there is nothing sanctionable.

    JosephusOfJerusalem comments demonstrates a glaring lack of understanding of the very policies that he citing, not to mention his gross battleground mentality as is evident from his comments here and elsewhere. I also agree with the above comments that JosephusOfJerusalem is desperately trying to get the editors with an opposite POV topic banned so that he could push his POV in peace. And not long ago, JosephusOfJerusalem has filed a similar frivolous report against another established editor.

    If JosephusOfJerusalem perceives comments like, "You can keep the wikilawyering nonsense with yourself" as "WP:PERSONALATTACK", then he's clearly demonstrating incompetency. He does not even know when to indent and when to outdent his comments, so he should not be astonished when an established editor points him to WP:CIR.

    What's more striking is that these filings are strongly reminiscent of filings of socks of Faizan/Towns Hill, in particular Sardeeph (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who used to file similar spurious reports against me and Kautilya3 in order to get them blocked by citing similar trivial or non-violations. Sardeeph was eventually blocked by Boing! said Zebedee and Black Kite for WP:NOTHERE after a long ANI thread that he had himself started and cited same type of evidence that JosephusOfJerusalem has cited here as well as attempted to canvass dozens of editors just like JosephusOfJerusalem is doing here.

    Similarities between Sardeeph and JosephusOfJerusalem are just more than that. There is a clear case of WP:DUCK.

    • Sardeeph filed two AE reports, against me and Kautilya3 on 30 July.
    • And today JosephusOfJerusalem filed two AE reports, against Capitals00 and D4iNa4.
    • Even the notification left by JosephusOfJerusalem and Sardeeph are totally same:
    There is a discussion about your behaviour at WP:AE.
    Please see WP:AE for discussion about your behavior.

    Sardeeph was indeffed on 20 October 2017. JosephusOfJerusalem registered on 18 October but made his first article space edit on 31 October. I see no doubt that JosephusOfJerusalem is a sock of Sardeeph and he should be blocked for his block evasion. MBlaze Lightning 13:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Mar4d

    Support indefinite block on Capitals00; According to JoJ's editing history, he is a neutral user and someone who doesn't have a personal, vested history in this disruption-ridden topic area. Unfortunately I find his observations spot on, having seen Capitals00's edit warring, incessant personal attacks, WP:NOTTHEM excuses and disruptive WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour across all pages. The above WP:WALLOFTEXT is the latest example. This unmanageable approach and attitude is justified and tolerated repeatedly without consequence, and the long-term harm it is doing to the project is completely unaccounted for.

    This user is responsible for creating a deeply toxic editing environment, and has no one to single-handedly blame but himself. Unlike JoJ, the vast majority of Capitals00's recent talk page interactions involve personal attacks and confrontational vitriol directed at others, not to mention continuous condescending harassment, and there's stack-loads of evidence: , . , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . This adds on to the myriad of edit wars, escalating new content disputes, and forcing in relentless WP:POV. It is no wonder then that the entire topic area is in a pitiable condition, when these problems are just the tip of the iceberg. I will take strong exception to MBL and Raymond3023, both of whom are involved users (their own highly problematic conduct issues require a chapter), who defended this user's disruption first on an SPI case (where he himself was not available for defense), and then in the most frivolous example of WP:TAGTEAM on ANI. When multiple people are observing the same, the question is, how long? This needs to end as it has become a net negative for Misplaced Pages, and it's time the curtains are pulled. For a user who has consistently shown no signs of improvement or reform, an indefinite block is in order. Mar4d (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    @D4iNa4: Well, it's a WP:CFORK which was copy-pasted right out of an existing article on the same topic, rejuvenated under a title already rejected by consensus, and it's a copyright violation based on WP:CWW with no text attribution. So yes, I will follow the rules and it will be pursued at WP:DELREV. You meanwhile have serious conduct issues as inherent below and in your response. Mar4d (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by D4iNa4

    Come on Mar4d. Regardless of your long term disruption, you had to be blocked indefinitely a few hours ago for your exceptional disruption on 2016 Indian Line of Control strike. That you edit warred to get that article redirected then you started a senseless AFD and after already realizing that you will fail to get the article deleted, you tried to get it deleted under frivolous A10, and after that your senseless AfD was closed as WP:SNOW "speedy keep" under a few hours. That's what sanctionable conduct is, not the diffs showing Capitals providing warnings/guidance to users that you have misrepresented just like you misrepresented. Don't talk about "improvements" when you fail to get consensus on just every single article that you disrupt, such as 2016 Indian Line of Control strike, Siachen conflict, Kashmir conflict, India–Pakistan border skirmishes (2016–present) and lots more. D4iNa4 (talk) 14:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Mar4d, that was not a WP:CFORK. You are still not getting that the article's creation was totally valid and was created following the consensus on talk page. Why you even bother to tell you are right and everyone is wrong? Or that you just don't like to get over the results because the consensus is always goes against you. D4iNa4 (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Vanamonde93, you have misrepresented diffs in your comment. The four diffs provided by Raymond3023 are showing that how JosephusOfJerusalem was WP:GAMING the system to get his version protected by edit warring and misrepresenting WP:STATUSQUO. I should also mention that NadirAli made 3 reverts in less than one hour. On 14:44 yesterday, the comment I had made here by including the diff for "speedy close" is much before the diff for "swiftly reversed" you are providing, because the revert of the the speedy closure happened on 16:21, nearly two hours after my comment on here. You can ask any uninvolved admin if a block is warranted for restoring the copyright violation for which the user has already received a warning, the answer you will get would be yes. Bigger question is that why it happened at first place, had NadirAli never violated copyrights or just heeded the warning he had already received? Given he has been blocked enough times for copyrights before, why really made him deliberately ignore copyright violation? I will be adding more evidence here of actual misconduct but right now I am more inclined to wait for the outcome of the SPI: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sardeeph. D4iNa4 (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Vanamonde93, your comment read like I was ignoring the revert of the closure, though the revert came almost 2 hours later. For what it's really worth, I haven't even voted in that AfD but I am absolutely confident that the AFD will result in "Keep". If it did, then my comment would stand taller that the idea of nominating the article for AfD is clear evidence of WP:TE because a user should not be nominating those articles for deletion that are obviously going to be kept, especially when the user in question is here for long enough. D4iNa4 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by SheriffIsInTown

    • Support indefinite block for Capitals00, Raymond3023 and MBlaze Lightning: I will not lengthen my argument with too many diffs of these users bad behavior as this AE has gotten already very lengthy. There are many diffs provided by JOJ and Mar4d regarding Capitals00's behavior and those should be good enough to get them banned. I would just note one additional point that Capitals00 accused OP of canvassing which is a fake accusation considering they were only bringing attention of neutral and uninvolved administrators towards issues on different pages, that is no canvassing especially when OP themselves are a neutral editor in WP:ARBIPA area. Also, in their defence, Capitals00 is accusing "JosephusOfJerusalem suspiciously removed that message" for removing a message from their own talk page for which they have complete prerogative. Using arguments like these to defend their actions is self-defeating.
    WP:ARBIPA calls for a conducive and coherent environment. WP:CIR might be an extension to a policy but that is not to be cited in every comment against your opponents on WP:ARBIPA articles. It is insulting to call all other editors incompetent who disagree with you. Capitals00 has been doing this in defiance of WP:ARBIPA, they are using WP:CIR as an excuse to insult their opponents.
    I am supporting an indef ban for Raymond3023 and MBlaze Lightning for their accusation of socking in this very thread against the OP. WP:ARBIPA prohibits such bad faith accusations against other editors. As a matter of fact MBlaze Lightning has already once reported JOJ under a different master than the one they are associating them with in this thread. It looks like they are unable to make up their mind and associating OP with different sockmasters just to get their point through and defend the accused in vain. This is not the proper place to accuse someone of socking and that too without proper evidence plus accusing OP for socking without evidence would not take the violations of Capitals00 away. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:52, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @power~enwiki: No, this is not what WP:ARBIPA is for, we do not ban most if not all. Evidence is evaluated, then violators are banned. Your statement is unhelpful and destructive for the project, it seems as if when opinion starts to turn against one editor and a ban looks evident, someone comes and says let's ban most if not all so as to confuse the admins (not that they can be) and derail the conversation.
    • @Razer2115: You should be banned for casting WP:ASPERSIONS and bringing that SPI here. That SPI has no bearing on this AE and was filed after and in retaliation of these arbitration enforcement requests. You twisted it to make it look like these requests were filed after the SPI and matter is already decided that JOJ is the sock of Sardeeph. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:15, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Power~enwiki: Please read WP:ARBIPA, once you will read that, you will understand my argument. After, reading that up, please evaluate the diffs provided by the OP and Mar4d against Capitals00 and evaluate the socking allegation made against OP by MBlaze Lightning and Raymond3023. The act of Razer2115 to bring that undecided SPI falls under WP:ASPERSIONS, they made it look like OP filed this report because of the SPI rather SPI was filed because of AE. Also, these reports has nothing to do with content disputes rather it is about the behavior of editors on WP:ARBIPA sanctioned pages. They are to refrain from creating toxic environment by making insulting remarks, socking allegations and expression of bad faith. Referencing WP:CIR might be allowed when you really want to report someone for their lack of competency but it is not and should not be allowed on WP:ARBIPA sanctioned pages, at least not at this scale. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:50, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Vanamonde93: I saw your statements recommending t-ban for everyone and that concerns me a lot especially because you are an admin and I feel like you might be including me in that list. You are referring to statements made in the discussion about copyvio. My participation in that conversation might just be because of my own misunderstanding about copyvio since I have seen edits by Kautilya3 which include the quotes in citations. OP there was asking for an indef ban for NadirAli, which made me concerned. Although, my comments on that forum did not have any personal attacks compared to Capitals00 but I am willing to retract those comments if I can to avoid a topic ban as I had a clean slate so far and would like to avoid any ban at any cost. Let me know what could work for you and other admins minus a t-ban for me. I would also like to point out that Mar4d never participated in that copyvio discussion. There is an election season in Pakistan and collective ban such as proposed here would stop editors from editing all Pakistan pages not just the conflict pages thus shortening the number of editors and hurting the project overall so I request a reconsideration. @Sandstein, Ivanvector, and Seraphimblade:, see my comment addressed to Vanamonde93 above. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:40, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • The latest diffs presented by Razer again fall under WP:ASPERSIONS as most of those diffs are of different people reaching out to different admins requesting to address some concerns and I do not think there is anything wrong with that. Those are also closed matters, if an admin would have thought of them as a problem, they would have taken an action there and then. For example, Mar4d opening an ANI request was closed by an admin, for example me reaching out to Ivanvector, the conversation continued because he was kind enough to look at the matter and he is still willing to, same is with my matter with Bbb23, I accepted to Bbb23 that my comments were overboard and that matter was resolved amicably. Citing diffs which put the editors in negative light and ignoring the ones where admins closed the matter, or where they were williling to work with the editors or where editors changed their behavior to positivity comes under WP:ASPERSIONS if I am correct. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:39, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: I see my name in your list of violators, can you be kind enough please to let me know what the violation is so I can adjust my behavior going forward, I have been personally attacked at many occasions by many editors and have been trying not to respond in kind but might have gotten hot-headed at times realizing later on that it was not a good idea to comment in such a way but I have never been uncivil at the level of some other editors. I would love to see the diffs of my questionable behavior so I can explain/adjust my behavior. I would request you to please reconsider your recommendation as I have never gotten any ban before and would like to keep the clean slate. I have never been given an opportunity to defend or explain my behavior if anyone have seen an issue with it before. @Ivanvector: Please reconsider your endorsement of t-ban for me. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:31, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing and Bishonen: I am still waiting for the diffs of my problematic behavior on which this decision is being based so I can defend myself and/or explain my position. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: I was just trying to be creative with my comment and did not mean to threaten the editor rather I was talking about the evidence but I realized that I might have stepped a line over there and did try to clean up the mess by removing the comment and then striking it out. The closing admin did not take any action so I thought the matter was closed. Also, it had nothing to do with WP:ARBIPA, I did not engage with any of these two editors (Capitals00 (lately) and Uncle Sargam (overall) involved in that ANI on India-Pakistan conflict article but I regret that those comments were inappropriate. I also never thought that just a participation in this discussion can get me a ban, I proposed bans based on the reasons specified in my statement keeping in mind that the final decision would definitely rest with the admin going through my statement and not just because I am proposing something. If you do not consider the behavior of those editors problematic as described by me then you do not have to ban them, I am willing to withdraw my statement, I did not know that enforcement of WP:ARBIPA would mean clearing the decks on both sides, my understanding was that every editor’s behavior would be evaluated in connection with India-Pakistan conflict articles and then the matter will be decided. Anything minus topic-ban? A warning should be sufficient. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: That big box in red meant to me that my conduct on WP:ARBIPA sanctioned pages will be reviewed not all over conduct and I never thought that the closed matters such as ANIs and SPIs closed by admins will be considered as well, the SPI you linked somewhere above, I never contested the decision made by admins even once, I did put a lot of hard work in it but accepted the decision, no policy says that if you suspect someone of socking and you have the evidence, still do not file the SPI because you might be sanctioned under a request filed by a third person such as JosephusOfJerusalem in this case. I was hardly interacting with Capitals00 and MapSGV at the time but they were in my mind because of some behavioral similarities but when I dug deeper I found more evidence, I was just wikidefending when I filed that SPI, I never thought for once that this would be considered as battleground behavior. All other outstanding diffs provided by other editors about me are a lot milder than some of the editors here but I am still getting the same punishment. Misplaced Pages is not about punishment rather it is about prevention and I think I understand more about the process now than when this AE was filed and can ensure that my behavior would be better just because of this whole interaction alone and there is no t-ban needed for this. I have seen admins close AEs before with just warnings, I was never warned but getting a straight punishment.
    I value my reputation as an editor and a formal ban by an admin would be a big stain on my editing. If it suffices the admins, I can propose that I will voluntarily stay off the India-Pakistan conflict related pages for two months but would not like to get a formal ban by an admin in the form of their final decision or a notification on my talk page, if I violate the voluntary stay-away promise then admins can impose a harsher restriction.
    Also, I would like to note that I received my ARBIPA alert at least for this year after a lot of interactions has already happened which are shown in those diffs. I have been only on Misplaced Pages occasionally most of 2016 and 2017 and people tend to forget about these things when they are not highly active. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    Voluntary abstention proposal
    • Addendum to last message above:
    @GoldenRing and Seraphimblade: I am only filling and rescuing references across different topics nowadays and can easily avoid ARBIPA topic area thus there is no official sanctioning needed by admins. I propose that I will voluntarily abstain from editing India-Pakistan conflict pages for two months (negotiable if admins consider it is too low then I request you to please suggest the term limit) with the exception of filling and rescueing references (I am requesting that I be allowed to do this on India-Pakistan conflict pages as well, as this action does not change the content). I also request that this should be written in the final decision as “SheriffIsInTown agrees to voluntarily abstain from editing India-Pakistan conflict pages for x months with the exception of filling and rescueing existing references on those pages”.
    I also request that no notification be left on my talk page regarding this decision.
    I am a responsible editors and I will abide by it on my own.

    Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by power~enwiki

    Many of the editors involved here "on both sides" of the India-Pakistan conflict are out of control. I'd recommend the AE admins consider sanctions against most (if not all) of the involved parties here. I note recent ANI threads from May 5 (on sock-puppetry) and April 14 (on Hookah) as involving many of these editors and being fairly disasterous. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:20, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    I honestly can't keep straight which of Capitals00, D4iNa4, Mar4d, Raymond3023 and MBlaze Lightning are on which side of any disputes here, but the constant bickering to get each other banned is disruptive, unhelpful, and destructive. I'm not as familiar with SheriffIsInTown, but disagree with their opinion here. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    The two most recent disagreements appear to be at Talk:History of Balochistan (moved from a copyvio board) and Talk:Siachen conflict#Warning. The Balochistan one makes nobody look good; perhaps those diffs should be ignored.
    The Siachen one makes Mar4d and Tripwire look bad, and Capitals00's frustration, though not ideal editing behavior, is understandable. We describe the Korean War as ending when the armistice was signed, and a 15-year ceasefire should be interpreted as the end of a conflict and not as evidence the conflict is ongoing. Regardless, that's a content dispute. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    Josephus: Suggesting that a copyright infringement complaint is purely "retaliatory" is a bit more than pushing-and-shoving, especially on a page where the discussion should be about whether copyright violations have occurred. I'm not sure how much of the 31KB change is the removal of quotes from this diff as other changes are intertwined, but it's clearly a lot. I don't take Capitals00's immediate request for an indef to be in good faith, but the copyright concern looks to be a legitimate concern. I do agree that Capitals00 seems to be the worst offender in terms of escalating things, but nobody involved here has clean hands. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:11, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    And it's true, the acronym soup of is wiki-lawyering. That's not unique to you; every single person in this discussion so far (myself included) wiki-lawyers too much. It's not a crime to call a spade a spade. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    Josephus: you may be right. Perhaps Capitals00 will attempt to defend his behavior, rather than simply giving an alphabet-soup of attacks against the people he was replying to. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:27, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I'm not familiar enough with SheriffIsInTown or NadirAli to suggest anything one way or the other. MapSGV has been fairly idle after a ARBIPA TBAN was lifted by ARBCOM at the end of March, I'm not sure they should be included again. I support including the other 7 named editors (Capitals00, JosephusOfJerusalem, D4iNa4, Mar4d, TripWire, MBlaze Lightning, and Raymond3023) in any bulk action. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Razer2115

    WP:AE is not supposed to be used by tireless POV-pushers to try to eliminate editors who clearly have much better grasp of WP:NPOV, WP:BRD, WP:CON, WP:COPYVIO and other relevant policies. Report seems to have been filed by a probable sock per recently opened Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sardeeph and is nonetheless frivolous. Razer(talk) 18:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Ignoring the WP:ASPERSIONS as well as misrepresention of evidence around, I find serious issues with some editors I am describing below.
    Two users of this case, SheriffIsInTown and NadirAli were working hard to reject obvious copyright violation and they are now desperately derailing a strong SPI by lending defense to a suspected sock even after one CheckUser has commented that the account is extraordinarily suspicious.
    Consensus building and dispute resolutions have been already tried, but clear evidence of unwillingness to get over the outcome from NadirAli, Mar4d, SheriffIsInTown and TripWire with their frequent WP:FORUMSHOPPING for already resolved issues has been most disruptive. Razer(talk) 07:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Vanamonde93

    I cannot take admin action in this case, but I would seriously suggest a "plague on both your houses" approach here. I've looked through the diffs, and there is little to choose between the behavior of the various protagonists, with the exception of Kautilya3. There's plenty of impolite language, accusations of bad faith sans evidence, filing of pointy reports at various noticeboards, a tendency to stonewall to protect favored sources/content, and generally far too much evidence of battleground behavior. I'd recommend a topic ban from the Indo-Pakistan conflict for at least the four principals here. Vanamonde (talk) 04:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    • Let me expand on that just a bit. The so-called copyright discussion, which has now been moved here, is actually about a somewhat subtle issue. Nadir Ali has been copying quotes onto Misplaced Pages, which were subsequently removed by Kautilya3. These quotes are not copied without attribution (our most egregious form of copyvio) nor do they represent excessive use of quotations in-text; they are quotations used in a reference, in a topic in which faked references, and allegations thereof, are common. This does not mean that any such use of quotations is okay; but it does mean that the use is largely a matter of judgement, and a question of balancing what is absolutely necessary with minimal use. This is a matter that could be solved by folks who disagree but are committed to working together. Instead, what do we have? One set of folks flatly denying any copyvio; another insisting that its absolutely blatant, needs to be met with an immediate block, and that any failure to agree with this diagnosis is evidence of lack of competence. Thus my conclusion that the whole bunch here are displaying a battleground mentality, with the exception again of Kautilya, whose edit summary linked above is some of the only temperate language in this mess.

      In short, most folks here are simply trying to grab every opportunity to bring sanctions down on their opponents. JosephusOfJerusalem has provided a number of stale diffs in his original post, but he's not the only one; as evidence of disruptive behavior, Raymond3023 offers four quite legitimate requests for protection, and as evidence of a frivolous AFD D4iNa4 offers a speedy close that was swiftly reversed. These items are symptomatic of this set of disputes in general, wherein discussions about genuine disputes contain pages of castigation and recrimination, little to no substance, and certainly no evidence of compromise or attempts to build consensus. Thus my recommendation above, which I continue to stand behind; t-bans for all the folks deeply involved in this dispute with the one exception already noted. Vanamonde (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    • D4iNa4, that's not going to fly; the AfD closure may have been reverted later, but the fact that it was inappropriate was evident when it was made; anyone could have seen that, had they not been blinkered by their agreement with the closure. Vanamonde (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • SheriffIsInTown, I haven't evaluated your behavior yet, but Mar4d, Nadir Ali and the OP are certainly not innocent here; neither is MBlazeLightning, who I did not mention above. Kautilya3: I do not believe blocks are appropriate here. These are not short-term problems caused by folks losing their cool; the problems are long-running, and have to do with basic editing style. People need to be removed from the topic until their attitudes towards other editors have changed; so we need either indefinite blocks or topic-bans, and I support the latter, because that is the lesser sanction. Vanamonde (talk) 05:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • JOJ, anyone can comment here, and I have made it explicit that I am not acting in an administrative capacity. I suggest you confine your attentions to your original complaint. Vanamonde (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing and Bishonen: I would strongly recommend a t-ban for MBlazeLightning as well; aside from reports at SPI that are borderline frivolous, he has played his part , , , in the recent edit-wars, and has much the same attitude of treating Misplaced Pages as a battleground; for further evidence take a look at his talk page, where both Drmies and I told him off for making blanket reverts of suspected socks without sufficient thought or explanation. With respect to Lorstaking: his conduct is problematic, but his editing is less prolific and more widespread topic-wise; I think an Indo-Pakistan conflict t-ban is either too little or too much. Raymond3023, on the other hand, has engaged in plenty of the conflicts listed above (just look through his last fifty edits), and previously flirted with a broad IPA t-ban before NeilN gave him a reduced sanction. Finally; I know I recommended above that the t-ban be limited to the Indo-Pakistan conflict, but on further reflection, I believe the conflict between these editors is likely to spillover to other areas within the scope of ARBIPA; see, for instance, the history here, and the talk page here. If we're trying to prevent this set of folks from becoming a time-sink for the community, an ARBIPA t-ban is indicated. Vanamonde (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I'm not going to bother refuting Sdmarathe's diffs, because NeilN was involved in that kerfuffle, and can attest to my conduct. But, GoldenRing and Ivanvector, since you asked; Lorstaking's problematic editing is less on his own behalf, and more a tendency to jump into action for or against other editors. Examples include suggesting Mar4d be indeffed, defending MapSGV, , , , , , and jumping in against Willard84. This is far from helpful, but I don't know that it's sanctionable conduct; I'll let you folks judge that. Vanamonde (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Two more points, for the record. First, Ivanvector: NadirAli's involvement in this week's kerfuffle may have been accidental, but his history with ARBIPA sanctions is longer than anyone else's; he has the dubious distinction of being sanctioned in the original case, and has flirted with sanctions several times since his t-ban was repealed; see . As such, I'd say that he's on a tight leash, and should be cut very little slack, if you'll forgive the mixed metaphor. Second, Lorstaking may not have participated here, but he's well aware of ARBIPA DS, having participated in an AE discussion less than two months ago. Vanamonde (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by WBG

    • As I noted on Cullen328's t/p days back, this is a situation which has grossly spiralled out of control.Vanamonde has put it quite nicely and, echoing his every wording, I' d recommend imposing an indefinite T-ban on each and every party in this dispute and the one regarding D4ina4 (just below) sans Kautilya3.Give the noticeboards and your capacities at pointy mud-slinging a break..... ~ Winged Blades 10:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • GRing's proposal is good enough and in certain aspects, quite lenient.14:04, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Justlettersandnumbers

    It was I who moved an extended and argumentatious discussion from Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2018 May 10 to Talk:History of Balochistan, as it was not advancing the process of establishing whether there's been a copyright violation or not. There seems to have a great deal too much combative behaviour by a number of editors here, including the OP. It's apparently just the sort of thing the discretionary sanctions are intended to prevent; Vanamonde's suggestion seems appropriate in the circumstances.

    Capitals00, could you please tell me, here on this page, in clear and simple terms: does your copyvio report concern only material copied as quotations in the references? NB: it anyway has brought to light another apparent copyvio, which I'll deal with in due course. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:39, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Kautilya3

    I have been quiet because I had been busy and this discussion has been too chaotic for me to make sense of. Now that Vanamonde93 has helped to clarify it, here are my two cents. As for the COPYVIO issue at History of Balochistan, I said in my edit summary "please trim the quotes". NadirAli came back several hours later saying "Trimmed quotes". Till now everything seems normal. However, it wasn't immediately clear what NadirAli had done, because the byte count went up rather than down. Perhaps that is why MBlaze Lightning reverted it again. The next step would have been for MBlaze and NadirAli to discuss it somewhere. I don't know why Capitals00 and JosephusOfJerusalem got involved in this affair. But they did, and things went downhill soon after.

    I would recommend a short block for both of them to get their act together, and give an opportunity for the involved editors to discuss things with each other. Why I am recommending it for both of them? Because Josephus's hands are not clean. One of the very first edits he did in his career was this whole-article blanking to help out his friend KA$HMIR, but KA$HMIR got caught with his pants down. We spared Josephus then. I don't see why we should keep on sparing him. He continues to play all kinds of games to help out his friends. Getting rid of this gangsterism is the first step to bringing some sanity to the India–Pakistan pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    • Re: NadirAli's concerns: I am impressed by NadirAli's concern for NPOV. With such commitment, would they care to explain why they replaced three whole sections of sourced content on Kashmir conflict, and brushed aside my objections saying "there is clear WP:CONSENSUS" and this is the "rightful WP:NPOV" version? Why did they claim in this very same diff that "HISTRS is a piece of advice and is not an enforceable policy" and use exactly the opposite criterion at Princely state? Running with the hare and hunting with the hounds? In any case, they need not be so presumptuous to assume that they are only ones that care about NPOV and that the Misplaced Pages will fall to pieces if they are not around. There are many others who care.
    • As for the references to Josephus's alleged ethnicity, "Jewish historian" need not necessarily mean ethnicity. It could also mean someone who studies Jewish history. The point of those comments was to highlight how Josephus presents a neutralist, professional, scholarly image of himself, while his conduct shows the exact opposite. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Re: Josephus's comments: I see that the attempts to clear the deck continue. There is no "retrospective reasoning". On the day that Josephus came and blanked the page that I mostly created, claiming "I agree there are serious copyvios here. Text is very close to the original sources", I looked at his User page, that is what it said "Jewish historian, academic and foodie". Sure enough, all his edits till that point were dealing with Jewish history. That is the identity that Josephus himself has created for himself. Whether it was his ethnicity or not, I couldn't care less. But I was certainly perplexed why a Jewish historian, academic was blanking my page on 1947 Poonch rebellion. Josephus has not explained till this day why he did that. Perhaps he should do that first, before he finds more mud to throw at people?
    • What I posted on his talk page was a warning, along with an ARBIPA reminder, not an aspersion. In the edit that I warned about, he mislabeled a book chapter as a journal and he modified the wording (changing "shaping" to "influencing") which made the Indian think tank (IDSA) look like a lobbying organisation. In a later edit, he even effectively removed the facts that it was a "non-partisan, autonomous organisation", even though his own source said so. The next day, he added "independent" to a Pakistani think tank (IPS), even though the source already given on the page said it is wholly owned and operated by Jamaat-e-Islami, an Islamic fundamentalist party. Why indeed is a Jewish historian shooting down an Indian think tank and pumping up a Pakistani think tank? Again, Josephus never offered any explanation for these actions. (I might have overreacted here, I admit, because when I tried to locate the source on that day, the Springer server was down, and I spent quite a bit of time trying to find this non-existent journal article that Josephus cited.)
    • Then I am supposed to be "close" to a certain "sealioner". Ms Sarah Welch is a highly respected Wikipedian, who has made more contribution to Misplaced Pages than all of us on this page combined, and earned multiple barnstars and GA wins. Whether she is a sock or not, I don't know. She has always said that she isn't, and I respect her enough to give her her due. Josephus deduced that I was "close" to her because she wrote Kautilya3 has been too busy to login lately. Since I was part of the discussion, if I hadn't logged in for a few days, that would be the reasonable thing to say. Where does "closeness" come into the picture? And even if I was "close" to her, why is it any of Josephus's business?
    • It looks like Josephus and NadirAli haven't learnt anything from what has gone on till now. How long should this be allowed to continue? I am not even a party to this dispute. In my own input to the admins, I recommended a reduced sanction. And this junk is what I am paid back with? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Ivanvector

    I'm posting up here because while I'm not really capital-I Involved here, I have frequently interacted with this dispute via SPI, where reports just dealing with this small but noisy group of editors have accounted for numerous cases just this year, many (but admittedly not all) of them obviously retaliatory, and many just plainly dredging up old grudges. Unfamiliar observers should be able to see from the links provided in this thread that this behaviour is widespread: any time there is any sort of content dispute it escalates rapidly to the administrative noticeboards, where we entertain a back-and-forth name-calling while the dispute moves toward resolution. The only real reason that many of these editors are still allowed to edit is that nobody who isn't already involved really wants to take sides in this ongoing battleground affair.

    As admins, our responsibility is to prevent disruption, not to punish, and so like many of the other neutral observers here it's my observation that the way forward from here is an admittedly unusual mass topic ban. I endorse GoldenRing's proposal, although I have thoughts about some users who are and are not named in their list and will have to come back to this in a bit because I have a real-life thing to do. For completeness and simplicity I recommend any topic ban issued here should cover the same topic scope as WP:ARBIPA. Ivanvector (/Edits) 13:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    In my view there are some editors here whose participation has become unacceptably toxic. In diffs presented here and found through links to discussions from here, I see repeated instances of what are probably good-faith content disputes being escalated by these editors, who often appear in disputes with no apparent justification other than what one other editor described as "bad blood". Another admin described this as "factionalized" editing, which it clearly is. In doing so these editors have turned this subject away from collaboration and have made it their own personal battleground, and at this point the only way we're going to come back from that is to remove them from the topic. There are a few editors that have been named here who really ought to be in line for community bans for the way they've deeply radicalized these disputes, and so I think that everyone on this list ought to be somewhat thankful that we're only talking about a fairly-limited-in-the-grand-scheme topic ban.
    I endorse GoldenRing's list, and suggest including Raymond3023, Razer2115, and MBlaze Lightning based mostly on their participation here reflecting the same battleground mentality as the others that have been identified. I suggest excluding NadirAli who at least recently seems only to have been swept up in a dispute that was unnecessarily escalated by the others. I'm not so familiar with anyone I've not mentioned (such as Lorstaking) and so don't have any advice on sanctions at this time. Ivanvector (/Edits) 16:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    I further endorse including Sdmarathe in the proposed topic ban, from their sudden appearance here perfectly fitting the pattern I just described, and noting that they seem to be wringing out a dispute with Vanamonde93 in which they were not involved, and further noting that they seem to be latching on to this dispute to exercise a personal vendetta suggested by their comments in Vanamonde93's RfA. This is the sort of behaviour these sanctions should be designed to discourage. Ivanvector (/Edits) 16:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Vanamonde93: thanks for the diffs. Based on that I would suggest including Lorstaking in the topic ban, for repeatedly calling into question the competence of opponents in a manner which can only be described as an attack, for perpetuating disputes after an administrator tells them that their involvement is unhelpful, and for displaying the same attitude as many others here that every opponent must be someone's sockpuppet even after being repeatedly told otherwise. Ivanvector (/Edits) 16:52, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    Based on observations from Vanamonde93 and Sitush, and their starting a revert war that has had Princely state full-protected for three weeks, I've struck my comments regarding NadirAli and endorse including them in the topic ban. Ivanvector (/Edits) 18:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Sitush

    This diffs are already plentiful above. At least some of the people involved in this mess should be indef topic banned at the widest scope of ARBIPA because the issues run deeper than just Indo-Pakistani conflicts. For example, Capitals00 seems to have problems with anything to do with Hindu/Muslim/India/Pakistan issues and has done for years, as indicated by the current content of their talk page. D4Ina4 has had similar issues, and whenever I see both JosephusOfJerusalem and Raymond3023 involved in something, I tend to walk away sharpish (JoJ, by the way, is very obviously not as recent a contributor to the project as their account creation date suggests). These people are so het-up and embroiled in personal as well as topic-related differences that I don't hold out much hope of a limited t-ban actually reducing the noise overall.

    I'm less familiar with the others, aside from Kautilya3 and Mar4d, but am increasingly fed up of seeing their names among the same small group of antagonistic regulars at the various dispute venues. Kautilya3 is usually a voice of reason; Mar4d tends to veer between both extremes, depending on the subject matter - their efforts to calm down PAKHIGHWAY (talk · contribs) a few months ago, for example, were commendable, if doomed, but their efforts in this particular topic area (the Indo-Pak conflicts) are clearly rather wayward. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    • Sdmarathe (talk · contribs)'s sudden arrival in this discussion is deeply suspicious. They've got a big problem with Vanamonde which has amounted to much of the little they have contributed to Misplaced Pages in recent years. They're also, from their history, quite obviously someone with a similar Hindutva agenda to some of the other people who are already being discussed for topic bans. I think their edits probably merit a closer inspection with a view to adding them to the burgeoning list of undesirables in the topic area. - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • The goings-on at Princely state in the few days are an example of how deeply engrained is the antagonism between these people. It is also an example of why a topic ban restricted to merely India-Pakistan conflicts is just going to lead to a lot more lawyering. FWIW, I've just written Talk:Princely_state#Proposal regarding that specific article. It isn't even one that historically has attracted a great deal of controversy - it has just got caught in the horrendous crossfire that these people seem to engender wherever they go. - Sitush (talk) 18:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Galobtter

    Noting that JosephusofJerusalem tried withdrawing the the two AEs he filed by by removing them. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Sdmarathe

    Evidently a topic ban on Vanamonde93 should be also in order. Knowing that Vanamonde93 have been unnecessarily casting WP:ASPERSIONS and clearly trying to remove every single challenger with whom they are in dispute.

    @GoldenRing: If admins really consider conduct of more than a couple of editors to be problematic then Vanamonde93's conduct has been very problematic as well:

    • Edit warring related to Anti-Hindu sentiment. Vanamonde93 made no efforts to discuss content: talk page history.
    • Threatening the involved editor on talk page and edit summaries. Misplaced Pages is not a battle ground.
    • Brought editor to this board after already knowing that it is not actionable in this board. Canvassed an admin to act on this request and NeilN told Vanamonde93 that it is not actionable on AE.

    I have compared Vanamonde93's own battle ground mentality with a number of users reported here and Vanamonde93 clearly beats all of them except the OP as per these incidents I have linked in my diffs, no older than 6 days. Sdmarathe (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    I can not help but laugh off at the suggestions indicating my "vendetta" against User:Vanamonde93 :) I have been reasonable enough to thank Vanamonde93 when they were right and criticize when I believed they were wrong. On the contrary there were several reverts that they have done that were just out of spite - who knows why. Anyone suggesting inappropriate behavior on my part should read edits 2 years back. And those that are suggesting I be included in the topic ban - need show a single edit warring incident on this topic by me. Anyone?? Sdmarathe (talk) 22:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Jbhunley

    At least in the case of D4iNa4, Capitals00 and Raymond3023 their pack behavior goes beyond IPA, either that or they are so aggressive as to extend their nationalism into Hookah. This ANI thread is one of the more vicious I have been involved in or even seen — particularly on the part of D4iNa4. I am not going to pull out diffs but the thread itself is worth a read. The last comment by Bbb23 ("@D4iNa4: You are out of control. Unless you stop interpolating your comments everywhere and moving other user's comments around, as well as repeated personal attacks on any editor who disagrees with you, you risk being blocked. I suggest you stay away from this thread completely.") is descriptive of the behavior there.

    I would suggest at a minimum any topic ban be on IPA broadly construed (because Hoohah?!) but the sheer hostility, bad faith and disruption described here at AE tells me indefs for most are not far away. Jbh 17:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by NadirAli

    I logged in today with the intent of editing the article on Margot Kidder upon learning of her tragic passing. I wish to emphasize that I backed away from the articles after the some editors mentioned in this thread began edit warring. I have not broken any 3RRs and removed myself from these topics, seeing there was no near end in sight and that as usual, MBL and some other editors were not being reasonable. I even modified my edits on the Balochistan, but they did not accept them. This problem extends well over decade. It's not bad enough that some editors don't allow anyone to edit ARBIPA topics that contradicts their POV, but they also continue to lay siege on ARBIPA topics and then take any opposing editor to ANI where they lynch that user. This problem spans well over a decade and is responsible for most of the edit wars. Administrators and the community have continued to ignore this problem.

    But as I stated, I pulled out of the articles seeing this could end up very badly for not just me, but Mar4d as well. They have already filed an SPI against JOJ likely in retaliation for the SPI filed against Capitals00, like the one MBL filed against me in November. I have no intention of editing the article anytime soon, so I think the proposal of topic bans are a bit excessive, considering that I have created and contributed to pages in this area without edit warring.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    RE:Kautilya3

    To editor GoldenRing:, To editor Sandstein:, The problem is if Kautilaya3 is allowed to continue editing this topic area while others are blocked, it will give unfair advantage to him given that many of his edits are objectionable. I am not trying to assume bad faith in this user as he and I have had agreements before in this topic area, but he often makes edits that are blatant POV. This will only leave pages open to him changing them to his POV without those who disagree unable to express their objection; resulting in a loss of WP:NPOV.

    Another issue is that Kautilya3 is under ethnicity claims restrictions

    "Any attempt to bring the purported or deduced or imagined ethnic or nationality identities of any users will lead to an immediate block. This includes an editor's own stated ethnic identity or nationality"

    He is also under a casting aspersions restriction.

    These comments by him about doubting JoJ's Jewish identity are violation of that

    1. Well you are a "Jewish" historian
    2. "donning a Jewish historian garb"

    Sock or no sock, for that is irrelevant, someone who is under ethnicity claims restriction and aspersions restriction shouldn't be bringing up another user's claimed ethnic identity from within 1000 miles. He was banned from making any attempt to bring up another user's purported ethnicity. This is also actionable. I'm also unsure if ivanvector is aware of this and could re-evaluate on the proposals.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    If one goes through the archives they will find that Kautilya3 has already been cut a lot of slack by our sysops. He has convinced sysops before that his abuse of multiple accounts was "accidental" and he has even convinced them that his edit warring was not a 1RR violation because he "misunderstood" policy. I believe the administrators have already been too lenient in dealing with his wrongdoings. This is just stretching good faith over the limit. I request them to apply the same criterion on Kautilya3 which they apply to everyone else. There should be a single set of rules, not separate rules for Kautilya3 and another set for everyone else if Misplaced Pages is to maintain its stature.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Result concerning Capitals00

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    • I agree with Vanamonde93 above that, if there is action to be taken here, it should be topic bans all around for battleground attitude, etc. I don't, however, currently have the time or inclination to go through pages and pages of invective to determine who exactly needs a time-out from the topic area. Sandstein 08:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I tend to agree with Sandstein here. It looks like there are quite a few editors in this area who are behaving badly and need to take some time away from it, not just one disruptive editor causing issues. It will take some substantial effort to determine what sanctions needed and upon whom, but it is certainly clear that they are needed. Seraphimblade 18:35, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    • This has got horribly out of hand. So far I've read through this, this, this, this, this and this. Almost everyone involved has completely discarded the idea that Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project to write an encyclopaedia and has instead taken the battleground option. I'd compile diffs, but honestly it's just about every single comment from the start of this year on those pages. I agree with suggestions above that almost everyone involved needs a T-ban. I therefore propose to ban the following editors from all edits and pages related to conflict between India and Pakistan broadly construed: SheriffIsInTown, Capitals00, NadirAli, JosephusOfJerusalem, D4iNa4, MapSGV, Mar4d TripWire MBlaze Lightning and Raymond3023.I intend to make the ban indefinite, with a minimum of six months, after which they can appeal here on a showing of constructive edits elsewhere (they can, of course, also appeal the ban on its merits in the usual ways). Some above have mentioned MBlaze Lightning; while the Sardeeph SPI filing is not impressive as the "evidence" amounts to them both using a bunch of common English phrases ("for a long time", "needs to be a", "I am afraid", "into the article"), if the SPI clerks don't see it as grounds for sanctions then I think we leave it alone at this point (unless anyone has further evidence to offer). Some have also mentioned Kautilya3, who I don't think merits any sanctions at this point.I would welcome the thoughts of other uninvolved admins before implementing this. I did consider bans from everything related to India, Pakistan and Afghanistan (the scope of the IPA DS) but the dispute here does seem to be reasonably focused on India-Pakistan conflict. I consider this outcome fairly lenient, considering that there have also been calls for the lot of them to be simply indeffed. GoldenRing (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: I generally agree with the approach you propose; thanks for taking the time for reviewing the discussions. Because I haven't done this myself, I can't express an opinion about whether the users you name are the right ones. Sandstein 13:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: But you should check whether all the editors on your list were properly alerted to discretionary sanctions prior to their conduct at issue here. Sandstein 16:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the reminder. As far as I can see:
    • @JosephusOfJerusalem: Others have presented ample evidence here. Your input on Talk:History_of_Balochistan (diff, diff, diff) was not exactly helpful; Bishonen has previously warned you about assuming good faith when others warn you, with diffs; your talk page interaction is sometimes just bizarre (diff, diff - you citing ESDONTS is particularly ironic); but for me I think the icing on the cake is your participation here. Your participation here is a clear example of a battleground mentality. This is clearly a dispute which has got out of hand all around, and your attempts to use it to clear the decks of the side you disagree with has no place in a collegial environment. GoldenRing (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @SheriffIsInTown: You have treated Misplaced Pages as a battleground, not as a collaborative project, in many of the same discussions linked above as well as this, mess, of, a, discussion; and, again, your participation here has been an attempt to clear the decks of one side in a dispute. Classic battleground mentality. GoldenRing (talk) 15:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @SheriffIsInTown: That's why it says in the big red box at the top of the page, If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it. I am not proposing a ban on you purely for your conduct here, you are clearly part of this dispute and your actions have exacerbated it, not helped resolve it. But your conduct here hasn't helped your case, either. GoldenRing (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Vanamonde93: I have added a couple of names to the list. If someone wants to present evidence against Lorstaking then I could be convinced, but I haven't seen any particular misbehaviour in my own review and don't have time to dig through their contribs right now.I do agree that there is a significant possibility that these editors will carry on the dispute on other IPA topics; but I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of it yet. Of course that might be because I haven't looked in enough places; if only we had the time... I think for the time being I'd like to try a narrower topic ban, on the understanding that any wrongdoing on other IPA topics will be met with lengthy IPA bans.GoldenRing (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree with GoldenRing's proposal to topic ban SheriffIsInTown, Capitals00, NadirAli, JosephusOfJerusalem, D4iNa4, MapSGV, Mar4d and TripWire with the conditions GR describes, and also agree there's no reason to ban Kautilya. And I'd like to raise a question about Lorstaking and Raymond3023. Did you look at Lorstaking, GoldenRing? I can't say I have enough background in and of myself to propose a ban for them, but I certainly have an impression. The complex history of Raymond3023's sanctions in the area this year can be seen here. Pinging @NeilN: do you think a topic ban of Raymond should be included in our attempt to clean up the deplorable nationalist battleground which infests this area? Bishonen | talk 15:01, 14 May 2018 (UTC).
    • For now all I want to say is that "a plague on both houses" might well be beneficial to the project. Moreover, Sdmarathe's long-term vendetta against Vanamonde is noted. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: I think the general idea is okay. I will not have time to review the specifics of your proposal until tonight. If you want to wait for a second opinion I'll be happy to do that when I can, otherwise I generally trust your judgment. Seraphimblade 16:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
      • @GoldenRing: I have now had time to sort through that mess (and there's an hour I'll never get back...), as well as the evidence presented at this request and the conduct of editors at it. I will firmly agree that Kautilya3 should not be sanctioned; if anything, they seemed to be trying to keep things reasonable, and we can't blame them if that effort turned out to be futile. Between retaliatory SPIs and disruption of that process, disruption of the copyright investigation process, and general mudslinging and casting of aspersions, I agree that the other editors you mentioned need to be sanctioned based upon their behavior (and no, they were not just in the wrong place at the wrong time, they all contributed to the problem), and I would include a warning that if they move the disruption and bickering with one another elsewhere, the next step is very likely to be an indef. Enough is way more than enough here. Seraphimblade 02:10, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @GoldenRing: I endorse your addition of MBlaze Lightning and Raymond3023 to the list per Vanamonde. Like some others, I'm a little worried about the limitation of the topic bans to conflict between India and Pakistan, and worry that the disruption, and the mutual aggression of the editors, will spread to other IPA areas. Also, we may be inviting wikilawyering fine-spun arguments about the scope of the ban. But I agree it makes sense to start with a narrower topic ban. When you log those bans, it might be a good idea to also log a formal warning that any disruption on other IPA topics will be met with lengthy IPA bans. Sdmarathe's diffs concerning Vanamonde are ridiculous, btw. Vanamonde attempted to contain the unencyclopedic excesses of a tendentious new editor; that's not evidence of a "battleground attitude", but of care for our articles. Bishonen | talk 17:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC).

    D4iNa4

    This is being considered for action in the context of the request concerning Capitals00 above. Procedural closure. Sandstein 15:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning D4iNa4

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    JosephusOfJerusalem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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    D4iNa4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard_discretionary_sanctions :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. ″your gross incompetence won't do any favor for you. I have been telling you about your disruption for years. ″Only a person with gross incompetence like you would...That's a case of gross incompetence...your incompetence...get over the facts″. WP:PERSONALATTACK and accusations of incompetence. WP:INCIVILITY
    2. ″in place of making false allegations why don't you answer the actual question?″ Same as above and below.
    3. ″Enough of this WP:DE and WP:IDHT now. Why you are resorting to false allegations of content forking?″ Accusations of bad faith against other editors.
    4. ″Please don't engage in deceptive WP:GAMING…So you rechecked my comment after you made a nonsensical response to it? That comment from "different editor" shows how incompetent Farawahar is. You must be having same WP:CIR issues as Farawahar, no wonder he is getting support from you….Same thing. You can twist your words in an attempt to mislead others but the fact still stands that you have a battleground mentality….You don't have any competence to understand simple English.″ Same problems as above. Display of rudeness, incompetency accusations and incivility to other editors.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. A history of sockpuppetry.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This user has pretty much the same incivility issues as Capitals00 above. Which is why I have decided to report both together since the problems in both cases are identical. They contribute to boiling our editing environment with hatred and vitriol. And there is just no sign that this is not going to continue. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 07:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Response to Capitals00 by JosephusOfJerusalem

    1. This rude response by D4iNa4 is a direct blatant personal attack. It cannot be compared with this relatively lighter and more polite comment by SheriffIsInTown in response to D4iNa4's other ″CIR taunt″. SheriffIsInTown's talkpost at WingedBladesOfGodric's wall is not WP:CANVASSING, he is an administrator.
    2. This diff is far from being ″100% correct″. This comment that you have shown from TripWire was a decent response (requesting a focus on content and clearage from WP:PA) to this WP:PERSONALATTACK by MBlaze Lightning.
    3. The language in this diff is still bad, regardless of the venue being WP:ANI. Read WP:NOTTHEM. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Discussion concerning D4iNa4

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    Statement by D4iNa4

    Statement by Capitals00

    Just like the above one, this is a frivolous complaint filed only because JosephusOfJerusalem is failing to get consensus for his POV. Neither report discuss any problematic editing, but only misrepresents general criticism as "personal attack".

    1. diff is just a response to personal attacks, canvassing and derailing carried out by other editor.
    2. diff is 100% correct. "False allegations" is rather a civil way to describe the comment that claims other editor in line with WP:BRD to be engaging in "personal attacks, edit-warring and WP:POV".
    3. diff is again correct. When your opponent is engaging in WP:IDHT and making false allegations of " WP:CONTENTFORK" and that "there's no consensus for the disputed content" despite 100% clear consensus, it is WP:IDHT and WP:DE.
    4. diff is unnecessary and non sanctionable because it was discussion of a conduct of a user in ANI.

    Given this is a revenge complaint filed by JosephusOfJerusalem only to get rid of the far more experienced and competent editor who happens to be his opponent. I would recommend admins to read the evidence I have provided above and simply solve the problem by sanctioning JosephusOfJerusalem for his long term disruption. Capitals00 (talk) 09:15, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by MBlaze Lightning

    See Special:Diff/840836278. MBlaze Lightning 13:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by WBG

    See my comments in the thread, just above.~ Winged Blades 10:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Ivanvector

    This is effectively a duplicate of the Capitals00 report above, and should be speedy closed (or whatever that looks like here) in deference to that thread. Ivanvector (/Edits) 15:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Result concerning D4iNa4

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    E-960

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    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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    E-960 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBEE, page level article restrictions - 1RR (+original author as in ARBPIA)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 0408 11 may + 0420 11 may revert1
    2. 1717 11 may + 1725 11 may + 1730 11 may revert2. 1rr on revert1
    3. 1814 11 may revert3 (+ original author clause) 1rr on revert1,2.
    4. 0702 12 may revert4. This one of an ip that does not count to 1rr, but does show pattern and is gaming of 3rr - 4th revert in 27 hours
    5. 1354 12 may + 1249 12 may revert5, again of ip. This one is a 3rr vio in relation to revert2,3,4.
    6. 1701 12 may. revert6. 1rr in relation to revert2,3. 3rr - 5 reverts in 24 hr window in relation to reverts2,3,4,5.
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    notified. Also previosuly discussed here on 7 May 2018.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I chose to focus on the narrow aspect of 1rr/3rr given this is easy to demonstrate and previous discussion here. User returned to article 1.5 hours after the 72 hours were up and proceeded to revert multiple times.

    RE E-960's comments below:
    1. I did not add any tags or comments removing text (in relation to the 6 reverts reported) - so it is unclear to me I've been gaming the system here. I will note that E-960's has been adding dubiously sourced information (based on the Facebook posts of a Polish ambassador) - however that is a content issue (there is a RfC presently running on the article talk-page regarding the use of the ambassador's observations on research methodology).
    2. It seems that E-960 in addressing the diff list was referring, in some comments, to the previous edit - not to their own.
    3. 1717 11 may + 1725 11 may + 1730 11 may - reported as one-consecutive edit (FR did make an edit and self-revert it in the middle - in 1726-7- however this was ignored for reporting purposes - lumping 1730 with the consecutive edits of 1717 and 1725).
    4. Revision as of 18:14, 11 May 2018 - E-960 reverted changes by Volunteer Marek - consecutive diffs in 1757-1809 - restoring the changed image caption and quote that VM removed - . E-960 added this information in 1717-1730 - so very shortly before VM's removal of the new information. I would not have filed AE over a single quote and image caption - but it is a clear revert.
    5. Revision as of 13:54, 12 May 2018 - Icewhiz did not place the tag. The tag was placed by 198.84.253.202 at Revision as of 12:47, 12 May 2018 - E-960 should take care in attributing actions to users. I will note that I agree with 198.84.253.202 - the article does indeed overemphasize Polish views, while ignoring wider Holocaust and World War II history (for instance, it would seem that Jewish views (which have addressed this topic at length, which are long standing, are almost lacking all together in terms of opinions/assessment of the Polish role in the Holocaust - there is also an overemphasis in the use of Polish sources - which is a problem given that NOENG has us preferring English when available at the same quality and of BALASP as the sources selected do not reflect the wider world-wide scholarly consensus) - however, I did not place the tag.
    6. Revision as of 12:49, 12 May 2018 - E-960 should retract his accusations of vandalism against the 198.84.253.202. This text is not agreed upon. While most editors agree, on the talk-page, that Gazeta Wyborcza is a WP:RS - many editors have failed to see the relevance of a statement which repeats the previous statement and says nothing new. If at all, WP:ONUS is on E-960 to include not on 198.84.253.202 to exclude.
    7. E-960 reverted, in the 6 reverts, at least 4 different users - François Robere, Icewhiz, 198.84.253.202, and Volunteer Marek. Some of his edits may be justifiable in and of themselves. And perhaps I was nit-picky in counting reverts in one case - however the aggregate of 6 reverts in 37 hours on a 1rr article is not how a 1RR article should be edited.Icewhiz (talk) 13:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


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    Statement by E-960

    This report filed by Icewhiz is nothing short of a dishonest MANIPULATION, and I would request that sanctions are placed on Icewhiz for filing a false report against another editor. If you notice (and go through the actual sequence of the edits ) you will see that these are reverts of DISRUPTIVE edits done by Icewhiz, François Robere and IP 198.84.253.202 including placing of more shame TAGS into the article and removing text using the <!-- Hidden text --> code.

    Exampels:

    • Revision as of 17:17, 11 May 2018 - reverted edit by François Robere who placed yet another shame TAG into the article
    • Revision as of 17:21, 11 May 2018 - added a quotation earlier into the reference source citation and for clean up removed Polish word in parenthesis, how is that a violation of any kind
    • Revision as of 17:27, 11 May 2018 - reverted my own edit, due to all the disruptive changes made by François Robere who himself reverted his own edits earlier, how is that a violation of any kind
    • Revision as of 18:14, 11 May 2018 - restored the quotation that was added in the reference citation, since François Robere was making more changes to article and Volunteer Marek was reverting all the disruptive changes, and accidentally removed an unrelated edit I made
    • Revision as of 13:54, 12 May 2018, 12 May 2018 - reverted another shame TAG placed by Icewhiz in the article
    • Revision as of 12:49, 12 May 2018 - reverted a vandalism edit by IP 198.84.253.202 who place the <!-- Hidden text --> code to hid the text that was agree on in on the Talk Page , pls notice the Edit Summary caption made by another editor (→‎The Holocaust: Per talk), and this is where earlier IP 198.84.253.202 tried to remove the text outright from the article ... after being revered he decided to use the <!-- Hidden text --> code to blank the text.

    This type of behavior by Icewhiz is nothing short of trying to game the 1RR rule, and create enough disruptions in order to level a false change against an editor who is simply reverting VANDALISM, because when you <!-- Hidden text --> or keep placing random shame TAGS you are causing major disruptions to the article. I think that users GizzyCatBella, Volunteer Marek, Nihil novi and MyMoloboaccount can all confirm what is happening because they all at some point were forced to revert all the TAGS and disruptive editing on the page. --E-960 (talk) 12:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    I have no time to measure this but I would like to make an honest plea to the evaluating administrator. Please (please) review this especially thoroughly since Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has a history of filing dubious claims.. Also please consider the frequency Icewhiz arrives here denouncing his opponents of violations - 3 times in the last five days alone. Thank you. GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Thewolfchild

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    Request concerning Thewolfchild

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    K.e.coffman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Thewolfchild (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced

    The March 2018 AE discussion (AE:Thewolfchild) detailed a pattern of battleground behaviour, directed at me (largely) & other contributors. It closed with a warning to TWC to not personalise disputes; avoid 'clerking' / impeding consensus; canvassing, & more. However, such behaviour has continued:

    1. 24 April, Creating drama / aspersions: "This constant bickering..." & "that huge train-wreck of an RfC..." (TWC's inability to let go of the RfC was discussed at the prior AE). TWC edit warred to prevent collapsing off-topic material: & .
    2. 14 May 2018, Hounding: suggesting that all firearms articles that I edited "(33 and counting!)" should be listed at WP:GUNS to discuss "what, if any, further actions or sanctions are required" & "This should be examined, this should all be examined, and thoroughly." After pushback, TWC seems to have backtracked a bit: "the main goal here is to review the edits, not the editor" . This still leaves open the door that, perhaps, a secondary goal is to "review" (i.e. lightly harass) the editor.
    3. 8 April 2018 & same, Clerking discussions / redacting comments. I reverted TWC once ; the other revert was by the OP. This resulted in a discussion on my TP (User talk:K.e.coffman/Archive/2018/April#April 2018), with belittling: "like some probational-acting-deputy-admin-in-training", etc.
    4. 7 May 2018 More clerking, after an admin specifically told TWC "Don't ask for closes" .
    5. 5 May 2018, Personalisation of disputes: "your friend K.e. basically told me...". In response to the "friend" reference (a second time), I posted on TWC's TP: . (Prior reference to "friends": 15 April 2018). TWC requested that I "please keep it off talk page": .
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    I believe that these diffs display battleground behaviour and targeting of my contributions. They also show no learning curve in terms of Wiki norms; e.g., this (unrelated) ANI about TWC closed w/o sanctions, but provided this illuminating diff by TWC: 11 April. Since TWC doesn't want me on his TP and reacts strongly even to mild cricism (e.g.: I'm genuinely shocked, shocked!...), I'm bringing this report here.

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    Statement by Thewolfchild

    Statement by Pudeo

    Petty complaints about word choices that are far from actual personal attacks. K.e.coffman, you should go back to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Heckler & Koch_HK416#Recent_edit because five people disagreed with your removal of the "intricate detail". I really don't think just citing WP:INDISCRIMINATE gives you the mandate for this deletionist streak on gun articles because the policy's just against "unexplained statistics". People agreed WP:PROMO material should be removed, but self-published sources are allowed for non-controversial claims (WP:SPS). And you also removed important information such as the weight of the weapon from the infobox. If you really think that's "intricate detail" you should start a RfC to remove it from Template:Infobox weapon, not do it article by article.

    Also anyone is allowed to remove personal attacks per WP:RPA, but yeah, it tends to lead to a controversy if you do that because PAs can be ambiguous. --Pudeo (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Toddst1

    I'm not at all a fan of wolfie, in fact I think in general he's a great example of how an editor should not behave. However, in reviewing this RFAR/E that I stumbled upon, I can't find anything that would be actionable as a violation of his sanction. Toddst1 (talk) 00:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Dlthewave

    I would encourage folks to consider the context of point #1. Sure, we often see poor word choices during spirited discussions, but this is something different. TWC chose to start a new section in the midst of an ongoing discussion to complain about the fact that the discussion was taking place as well as the outcome of the RfC and the amount of "disruption" in this subject area. I tried to collapse the unproductive side conversation which ensued but TWC insisted on keeping it open. TWC was also among a group of editors who opposed efforts to rewrite the WP:GUNS style guide to comply with the outcome of an RfC. Their contributions to this discussion amount to nothing more than whining about the RfC and more allusions to disruption, with no real effort to move forward. I'll leave it to TWC to explain which instances of "disruption" they are referring to. This incivility has a chilling effect on the consensus building process and may well be discouraging editors from participating in gun politics-related discussions, an area which is in desperate need of additional neutral voices. –dlthewave ☎ 02:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by PackMecEng

    This is getting a little silly.

    1 - I was part of that RFC and it basically went the way I voted, but it certainly was a heated train wreck. I still feel back for Fish and karate on that mess of a RFC coming with the right close, but one no one would appreciate.
    2 - Seeing as they have not seemed to follow K.e.coffman to any other articles hounding is a bit of a stretch. But the unilateral large scrubbing of over 33 articles did create issues and disruptions on several of those articles that everyone is still trying to workout.
    3 - Has been covered above by Pudeo, but not sure why you took it upon yourself to insert yourself in that situation two days after it was done. Second revert should of just been left alone and done by someone else in my opinion. Finally everything in this part is over a month old at this point.
    4 - It appears they were not part of the discussion there and reading it over two people in the discussion asked it to be closed. Posting a neutral request on the proper board does not seem like a violation of NeilN's request from the looks of it.
    5 - Seems minor, though your response was not exactly helpful. Especially when you left that comment on their talk page right after they asked you not to post there anymore.

    The "shocked!" did not come off as serious in the context of the discussion. At this point seems like you two could use a break from one another. PackMecEng (talk) 03:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Icewhiz

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    Poeticbent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBEE, page level article restrictions - 1RR (ARBPIA)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 15:29, 14 May 2018 User Icewhiz in less than one hour (!) removed all mentions of notable historian Anna Poray from over 60 articles. This massive POVPUSH was closely connected with Icewhiz's bad-faith AfD nomination. Citation restored by me, was reverted by Icewhiz in less than two minutes.
    2. 15:37, 14 May 2018 Exactly as above. Citation restored by me, was reverted by Icewhiz in less than two minutes.
    3. Got the message (!) and decided NOT to continue restoring citations pending request for enforcement.
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    • Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
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    See explanation by NeilN accompanying his editing restrictions imposed on 18 April 2018 (quote) Editors are subject to a one revert per twenty-four hours restriction when reverting logged-in users. Poeticbent talk 23:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified, 6 May 2018.

    Discussion concerning Icewhiz

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    Statement by Icewhiz

    A number of comments:

    1. 1RR is not relevant. There is a page level restriction on Collaboration in German-occupied Poland‎, not on any page Poeticbent mentioned (some of which may not be under ARBEE - but most probably are). It seems this report was partially copy-pasted from a 1RR vio report I filed above.
    2. I was not notified of this AE filing by Poeticbent as required (the diff supplied is a WP:POINTy BLP DS alert by Poeticbent - with text copy pasted from an alert I gave him after after he made this comment on a talk page, and given he made similar comments in the past (calling a work by a notable historian a "fabrication").
    3. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anna Poray was made in good faith - despite the 45 WP:ILIKEIT votes that appeared in very short succession (from non-AfD regulars) after nomination. The subject does not meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines (doesn't come close to meeting SIGCOV. BEFORE doesn't show much else. This was a librarian who in retirement ran a website http://www.savingjews.org/ which was also WP:SELFPUBLISHed as a book or e-book (publishing house listed as A. Poray), 7 refs in articles - 2 are by Poray herself, 2 are interviews on releasing the book (in sources that may not be RSes - however interviews do not establish notability regardless), 3 are obits).
    4. I have indeed removed references to WP:SPS - this is well grounded in policy. In most cases I left a cn needed tag (as I suspected the information was copied (possibly with overlaid editorial) from a primary RS initially - e.g. Yad Vashem). In some cases I suspect the subjects mentioned were possibly BLPs (e.g. the son/daughter of a WWII era person) - which I removed outright per SPS: Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.. Note that it seems that Poray, other than her self-published book, never published in a reliable source, so it doesn't seem she falls under (the use with caution exception) the Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. (which doesn't apply to BLPs in any event).
    5. Regarding the Poray SPS I have engaged in discussion where reverted - see Talk:Żegota#Anna Poray - SPS. Also see PB's response - (which contains personal attacks, addressing SPS with a very short and novel argument of "Anna Poray is not a WP:SPS publishing historian because she is deceased" (AFAIK self-published books do not become published on the death of their author)). The following 2 diffs are BLP violations by Poeticbent and GizzyCatBella (unless they have a RS for each of the 27 names showing they are dead - per WP:BDP we assume individuals less than 115 year old (birth year 1903) are alive.).
    6. GizzyCatBella has been inserting/resorting SPS content in a discretionary sanction area against policy - , , , . including false information (see Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#"only German-occupied European country" with death penalty and Talk:The Holocaust in Poland#"only occupied county with death penalty" for detailed refutation) from a questionable (Talk:The Holocaust in Poland#Use of Ewa Kurek as a source) author without discussing (I will note that I believe that a consensus has been reached with other editors to exclude) - repeatedly - . (I will note I took this to RSN - but it shouldn't have gone there - as there are no grounds for inclusion of information proven false, by a questionable author, in a self-published (iUniverse) setting). Note the IDHT given Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#Your Life is Worth Mine: How Polish Nuns Saved Hundreds of Jewish Children in German-occupied Poland, 1939-1945 - E. Kurek (while editing as an IP for a month (self-admitted)) back in April following another attempt at using Kurek.
    7. Poeticbent has been inserting SPS content (over a very long period, however an exhaustive list of diffs will take time to compile) in several articles. He has been reverting removals (and for the most part not discussing constructively) - (added when PB created the article), (created by banned user Ecoleetage, Poray added by PB in 2008), .
    8. I have been cleaning up poorly sourced and even outright fringe material (contrast Stawiski#Jewish community with the last version by Poeticbent whose actions have been commented on (not by myself - well before I started improving some of these articles), in the press outside of Misplaced Pages (this item does not mention Poeticbent by name, but if you follow the article history he is "On each occasion, the author of the Misplaced Pages Stawiski article immediately wiped out my edits") - I will note that this item makes the interesting observation that "Surprisingly, the Polish Misplaced Pages articles evidence greater willingness to admit Polish participation in massacres of Jews" (a pattern I have seen myself on many low traffic articles - I've been balancing some of the English Misplaced Pages articles using the Polish Misplaced Pages (tone and sourcing used there) - as the Polish Misplaced Pages is much less POVish, reflecting a diversity of Polish (and foreign) sources (as opposed to a very particular POV type of sources used in these enwiki articles)). Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Massacre of Brzostowica Mała (2nd nomination) and Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2018 March 23 (IIRC - created by Tymek, but heavily expanded by Poeticbent) are also instructive regarding the sort of content that has entered into the English Misplaced Pages in less visited topics.
    9. During these cleanup efforts, I have been personally attacked by Poeticbent several times. As an example, please see the following: , , , , , in an edit summary - restoring SPS, , , , , , .

    To sum up - removing a WP:SPS from articles, as mandated by policy, should not be attacked - definitely not on a personal level, and this is not a valid AE report (both in form (1RR, no notification) and in substance (removing a SPS is not a policy violation - to the contrary)). Despite the personal attacks, I have responded in a WP:CIVIL manner and on-topic (and I hope to the point, though I self-admit my writing may be winding) - addressing the content/sourcing dispute at hand, and not Poeticbent personally. Icewhiz (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    @Masem: - my intention had been following an attempt at removing this clear SPS to proceed to the relevant talk pages and then to RSN if need be - following BRD. Many of these were added a long time ago when sourcing standards may have been laxer - it was not clear a-priori that removal would be challenged.Icewhiz (talk) 04:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    Please recognize that this is not the first time Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is doing that The same happened to another historian Marek Chodakiewicz - 19 mass removals, some in the repetition of 2 minutes of each other. Attempts of discrediting and removal of other historians under false pretexts are constant and against the view of the majority of other editors. That is not genuine effort to build Misplaced Pages on the part of Icewhiz; this is a massive POV pushing and violation of precepts. Once again, I urge the evaluating administrator to take a sound look at Icewhiz editing record on Polish history articles (please). This user should be topic banned in my honest belief.GizzyCatBella (talk) 01:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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    • I'll just leave here the idea that the AfD mentioned seems to be populated with a number of people using CAPITAL LETTERS, as ... oddly, do some of the AE reports above this one. Examining the contrib history of some of said editors (not Poeticbent) may be interesting. Just an observation, like ... Black Kite (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Waiting on icewhiz's response but the two examples above don't appear to be violations of 1RR since Icewhiz appears to have stopped after one revert. --regentspark (comment) 01:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I would argue that mass removal of a specific named source or academic/historian/whatever of this size should have some type of broader discussion before the removal is acted along, along the lines of WP:FAIT (but same can be said about inserting such a yet-validated source/academic in a mass number of articles for the same reason). That itself in this case I can't say is actionable, but its the type of behavior that doesn't help avoid battlefield behavior in these topic areas. --Masem (t) 04:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    Icewhiz, my only concern is that there's a balance between properly following BOLD/BRD to remove some SPS, and doing a mass wipe of them that would evoke issues related to FAIT. Even if the author's sources are all SPSs, the fact they were used across 60 some instances would have me check to see if it was a single editor that added them in the same time period (fully justifying a BRD removal), or if they have been used by many editors over a broad period of time and thus should be discussed better. SPSs are not automatically disqualified as RSes, but they should be reviewed carefully. As I said, on that aspect, there's nothing immediately actionable, but I do express the need for caution when doing such a large "change" even if one feels they are following BRD for that. --Masem (t) 06:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)