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Talks, articles, interviews, and other research references

Is there any way within Misplaced Pages guidelines to include links to her articles, talks, and interviews? For example:

• Articles that she wrote for the Stamford Advocate.
• Her TEDx talk, and talks that she gave at a Rotary luncheon, and at a library.
• Her interviews on the Ralph Retort, and on various YouTube channels as Red Pill Black.

She also helped organize a 21st Century Dads event.

According the announcement for the Rotary luncheon, in April 2017, she was working as an investor relations analyst for an investment manager in Manhattan. JimHabegger (talk) 05:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.crowdrise.com/cycle-to-end-father-absence-new-jersey-cyclebar/fundraiser/21stcenturydadsfound
2. http://www.rotaryone.org/content.aspx?page_id=87&club_id=501199&item_id=549173

What's the problem with the text on her anti-Trump past?

An editor mass-removed text (and other changes) without substantive reason. The author is not discredited, and Buzzfeed News is RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Well I even left a comment on your talk page to be polite and you don't even have the courtesy to respond before reverting. Anyhow, there is a single article on the subject by a journalist who Vox indicates did poor research before writing an article (I assume you think Vox is reliable) and the article by Buzzfeed which even states "Owens did not immediately respond to requests for comment via email and Twitter, though she did stress in tweets earlier today that the writers for the site, called Degree180, were young. She also described the reporter as a "despicable creature." (She also accused BuzzFeed News, falsely, of "threatening" the former writers for the site.) Though Degree180 is now defunct, the Internet Archive has preserved much of its content — a mix of Thought Catalog–style personal essays, bloggy political musings, woke admonishments, and relationship advice. Many of the writers for Degree180, which Owens registered in 2015, were college students." and the Hill (whose source is Buzzfeed) states that "The news outlet noted that much of her own writing on the defunct website was personal and didn’t focus on politics". So you think your edit accurately captures the context? If she said it it would be one thing, but if someone else said it, it is not as relevant.Patapsco913 (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and your comment was nonsense. The simple fact is that you mass-removed content, most of which was verified to you in the edit summary (e.g. https://archive.is/HeRaq and https://archive.is/7Z7Qc), under the false pretense that the RS can't be trusted and that the content might be inaccurate. That's indefensible. And what exactly is the purpose of that extended quote from the Buzzfeed piece? If you want to add more stuff from the Buzzfeed piece or the Hill, go ahead and do that. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

as far as the author of your article https://www.vox.com/2016/4/4/11355876/milo-yiannopoulos "Another good example is a piece BuzzFeed's Joseph Bernstein last year, alleging that Yiannopoulos was a "group effort": that he barely wrote any of his own material, and that a cadre of 44 interns were responsible for his stuff. It's an incredible charge — but it could very well have been prank on BuzzFeed. Yiannopoulos has publicly beefed with Bernstein before; it's entirely possible that he or his allies fed Bernstein false information that's designed to make him look stupid."Patapsco913 (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

There's nothing there about Bernstein doing poor research or that his reporting is unreliability. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Do you know the difference between editor-in-chief and CEO? http://degree180.com/projects/#sthash.Wv7zWp77.dpbsPatapsco913 (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Look a) this is a BLP so to insinuate that she was anti-Trump because an online site she where she is CEO has anti-Trump articles does not mean she is anti-Trump. She did not write the artilce.Patapsco913 (talk) 00:56, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The text did not say that she was anti-Trump or that she authored the articles. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

What on Earth does that have to do with anything? The article does not identify her as editor-in-chief. It identifies her as the founder of the site, and as an author on the site. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The founder of a website is not responsible for all the content of the website. The author of the article is. The reliability of the facts is by extension, the responsibility of the editor. Owens is not the editor, she is the CEO of the website; and your sources even state that is was not a political website but merely musings about various things. Vox even says that the Buzzfeed author of the article jumped the gun on reporting facts that were most likely false. Find a better source.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The Vox piece did not say that. Your reading comprehension is atrocious to say the least. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

According to the RS, the website frequently posted anti-conservative and anti-Trump content. Owens authored anti-conservative content herself, as was verified to you. Content that mocked Trump's penis size appeared on the site, as was verified to you. You claim that Buzzfeed (a RS - which was cited by another RS which demonstrates its RS status) can't be trusted to get its facts right, yet I've given you hard proof that Buzzfeed did undeniably get its facts right, and yet this discussion still goes on... ??? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

She was the CEO of the website, she was not the editor. Is the CEO of the website responsible for all the content? Your sources even indicate that the website was not political and most of the articles were written bu college women. Find some other source; this is a BLP.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The article you cite was not written by Owens. What are you taking about? Is Ezra Klein responsible for all the opinions on Vox (website)? So should I add on Exra Klein's webpage that he is the editor for a news source that is anti-Trump because I find a bunch of opinion pieces on Vox that are anti-Trump and some article that says so?Patapsco913 (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a blatant lie. The article that I said she authored above says "BY CANDACE OWENS". As for your ramblings about Ezra Klein: absolutely yes. If a RS says that Klein oversees a website that frequently posts anti-Trump content, it would perfectly fine to add that tidbit to his Misplaced Pages page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:32, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

here is what Owens said per your source: "PEOPLE WILL INSTANTLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PRESIDENT’S PENIS SHOULD NEVER BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. LIKE, EVER. Or any other political office-holder for that matter. Frankly, me and my millennial peers did not exactly understand why it was such a big deal that Bill Clinton got a blow job in his office. I don’t care who my doctor, banker, grocery-bagger, or any other person that I may come across in my daily life is having sex with– AS LONG AS THEY DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS. All of that talk about “but his morals” gets you nothing but a mandatory STFU from me. Unless you are Hilary Clinton, it was not and will never be your business, and if a person I worked for ever asked me about my sex life, I’d probably LIE to them too. When he does something ILLEGAL (See definition: contrary to, or forbidden by law), then please, give us a call. In the meantime– let’s talk about REAL issues. Ones that affect the world, not one man’s marriage. I can think of about a thousand we can choose from. Patapsco913 01:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

None of the text says that she was responsible for the content. The text very clearly says that (i) she founded the site, (ii) the site frequently featured anti-Trump and anti-conservative content, and (iii) she authored anti-conservative content. There are two sources: Buzzfeed News and The Hill, both of whom are RS and which demonstrate due weight for this minor internet celebrity. You started your edit-warring by implying that Buzzfeed News couldn't be trusted to get its facts right (seemingly because you were unable to comprehend a Vox article about the reporter of the Buzzfeed article) - I went on to prove to you that Buzzfeed undeniably got its facts right. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The article about Trump's penis was not written by Owens (please provide a link that it was); nor was she the editor of the website; this is a BLP 101. The Hill article refers to the Buzzfeed article so there is only one source.Ad hominen attacks are not appreciated and talking on the talk page is not edit warring. I politely posted on your talk page and you did not respond but rather reverted my revert.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I never said she wrote the article about Trump's penis. Please read carefully. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

So why is it on her wikipage and not the authors? e.g. I am the owner of a newspaper...one of the newspaper's commentators says he hates the president...therefore I own a newspaper that has some commentators that hate the president. It does not make sense.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Because it's on her site, and two RS find that notable. I don't know about you, but it's notable that a diehard Trump supporter owned an anti-Trump website two years ago. Even if she wasn't a diehard Trump supporter, it's encyclopedic to describe what kind of website she owned. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Your source says it was not a political and mostly talked about other things. One commentator spoke disparagingly about Trump but she was not the editor at the time but the CEO (did she even see the post?). You are seemingly connecting a lot of dots like the author of the Buzzfeed article. The CEO is not responsible for the content of a website. So someone writes and article and then the CEO of the company that posts the article is responsible for the opinion of the author? In addition, your source even indicates that the website is not a political website. The Hill states "The news outlet noted that much of her own writing on the defunct website was personal and didn’t focus on politics."Patapsco913 (talk) 02:32, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

"You started your edit-warring" The preceding is false. Snooganssnoogans added the content. Patapsco913 reverted. Per WP:BRD that means Snooganssnoogans must goto talk. Snooganssnoogans is the edit warrior. Regarding Buzzfeed, this falls under WP:BLP and you need a better source. And the Hill--which based its article on Buzzfeed--doesn't count. As Patapsco913 told you. – Lionel 09:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans You are restoring the disputed text, adding new text, and re-arranging it so as to make it difficult to decipher. Why don't you bring up the text step-by-step on the talk page instead of shot-gunning it out there.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to submit myself to running every single line of text by you. Identify a sentence that you have a problem with and explain what the problem with it is. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:12, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Buzzfeed and the Hill are RS. Furthermore, the content of the two RS have been proven beyond doubt. There's zero reason left to exclude this content. I have followed WP:BRD, the other editor has not. The other editor has at no point suggested tweaks to the text, identified specific portions that are wrong, and has shifted the goalposts throughout the discussion (arguing that Buzzfeed News could not be trusted to get its facts right - even though it has been conclusively proven that Buzzfeed did get its facts right). Instead, the editor just mass-removes text. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The article you cite was not written by her. This article is about her and not the author of the article. You need to show that she had something to do with the content of the article. She was not even the editor of the website but its CEO. Anyhow, you do not have consensus (see Lionel's post above) and when there is a dispute, you are supposed to go line-by-line.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:35, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I have repeatedly linked you the anti-conservative article that she authored. Seriously, how many times am I going to have to do it before it sticks? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I have no problem keeping that article in. But it is not anti-conservative but anti-tea party, nay?Patapsco913 (talk) 15:09, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

If you have no problem keeping that in the article, why have you repeatedly removed it? This is crux of the edit-warring and BRD-violations that have been occurring: you mass-removing content that's 100% accurate. Content that is perfectly in line with Misplaced Pages policy. And no, we go by the description of reliable sources. The last thing I want on Misplaced Pages is you adding your WP:OR descriptions to articles. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I never removed the "bat-shit crazy" comment since it is attributed to her.Patapsco913 (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

You repeatedly removed "Owens said in one of her postings that it was “good news” that the “Republican Tea Party ... will eventually die off (peacefully in their sleep, we hope)." Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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