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Red Electoral Alliance

Hello, I saw you changed "marxist" to "socialist" on Red_Electoral_Alliance. I changed it back to marxist. Could you please take a look? Talk:Red_Electoral_Alliance Techefnet 02:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

post-PKP question

Hi. Do you know when the PCP (1982) renamed itself as PPP? In 1987? Thanks for your help. Regards, El_C 12:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

In 1991. --Soman 12:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. El_C 12:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Soman, I noticed you were the one who created State Assembly elections in India, 2005. I just started the article State Assembly elections in India, 2006. Thought you could help out with it.

We also have a Politics of India project that you are welcome to join. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 08:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Khalid Bakdash and the Syrian Communist Party

Hi Soman, I asked Arre this and he didn't know, and then it occurred to me that you were an obvious next target. I've just been wondering if I was right in saying Khalid Bakdash was sec-gen of the Syrian Communist Party uninterruptedly from 1936 or whenever on, as I have seen some references to Farjallah Helou as sec-gen at the time of his murder. Do you have any way of checking whether he retained the position while in exile from 1958-66? Palmiro | Talk 13:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, i'll have to pass on that one. --Soman 13:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No worries. Palmiro | Talk 13:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Seven Party Alliance

Are these the seven parties mentioned here - Nepalese legislative elections, 1999 or something else? --Horses In The Sky 17:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

NC, NC-Democratic, CPN(UML), Janamorcha Nepal, NWPP, Nepal Sadbhavana Party (Anand Devi) and United Left Front. --Soman 18:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

By Janamorcha Nepal do you mean Samyukta Janamorcha Nepal? If so doesnt that contradict articles saying it has merged with the Rashtriya Jana Morcha to form the People's Front, Nepal? --Horses In The Sky 19:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I've made a Seven Party Alliance page but have assumed the People's Front, Nepal is one of them, if this is incorrect you might want to amend it. --Horses In The Sky 10:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

PFN and Janamorcha Nepal are the same. --Soman 15:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Nepal Janabadi Morcha

I changed this to Nepal Democratic Front just like I changed a few other Nepalese parties to English titles recently because, due to naming conventions this is the way things tend tp be organised. For example the page is Communist Party of the Russian Federation not Kommunisticheskaya Partiya Rossiskoy Federatsiy, it just seems easily to understand this way. --Horses In The Sky 20:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

the policy is that titles should be in English, unless another name is more commonly used in English. Thus NJM, RPP, etc. should have their Nepali names, as Nepal is a country were English is widely used and those names are used in English language media. Its the same as Sinn Fein, Likud, etc., were the title is not translated to English. --Soman 06:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Well seeing as NJM etc never really get mentioned in British press I'll leave it like this until evidence can come up to support either name, I just thought it might be easier to understand this way. Meanwhile can you comment on this question raised here, Talk:Seven Party Alliance --Horses In The Sky 13:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, after looking at those links you posted on that talk page you are probably right about NJM and RPP.--Horses In The Sky 14:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Erasures on Olof Palme page

Soman recently erased my factually correct passages with the explanation of (to my knowledge, no foreign state treated the Baltic SSRs as disputed territory. One could say that Petsamo and Kaliningrad are occupied territories as well, by same logic.)

Unfortunately this proves that Soman has not the simplest knowledge of the matter. In fact, the US announced already in July 1940, that they do not recognise the annexation de jure. No democratic Western state did it ever since. Sweden recognised the annexation de fact and was nearing de jure recognition, but this does not change the matter. Thus, the Baltic SSRs have never legally existed (ex iniuria iuria non obiter, is it?). I've heard that in the US some maps were printed with the Baltics marked as a territories annexed by the USSR, without international recognition.

I'd be glad if User:Soman gave me his/her sources for the alternate view.--Constanz - Talk 15:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I was unaware of the US decision. But, wherein lies the distinction between US line 'not to recognise annexation de jure' and recognising the annexation 'de facto'? --Soman 15:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

These terms are elementary. Also, no state except for Sweden (and, I wonder if also Finland) even recognised de facto. --Constanz - Talk 15:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Term separatism can not be used with regards to the Baltic States, as already noted, de jure these states had never ceased to exist. They had legally never become part of the USSR, thus they couldn't seek for 'separation'. As Rein Taagepera has noted, the term Estonian SSR is legally equal to Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.--Constanz - Talk 15:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Added here:--Constanz - Talk 15:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

On legal aspects: there exists also principle ex factis ius oritur, not only ex iniuria iuria non obiter. Otherwise we would have to see as illegal almost all changes of borders happening as a result of war. And the independence of Baltic states was restored in 1990-91 by Supreme Soviets of SSRs - modern Baltic states are heirs of these SSRs. On BalticSSRs - they were recognized by very many socialist countries. Aleksandrs Kuzmins 21:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Recent erasures of sourced material on Left_Party_(Sweden)

• If you find tone unsuitable, you are only permitted to change the wording. Since the beginning of dispute, first with User:Itake, then with User:Constanz, you have as well as exclusively erased whole passages.

• There is no justification for removing accurate primary sources on Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

• Removing paragraphs depicting Swedish Communist Parties attitude to the Soviet aggression against the Baltic states can be regarded as whitewashing. Had I written it in Criticism section, you would have removed it with the pretext of the passages not fitting into the section etc.

• From June 22, 1941 on, the party was actively supporting resistance struggles in Norway and Denmark. seems more correct than paragraph with no time specified: until the start of German-Soviet war, Western Communist Parties were not struggling against the Germans. This is the fact.

• Removing passage on Swedish Communists' attitude to Stalin looks like whitewashing to me. The passage could be shortened, but not removed as a whole.

• Removing paragraphs on Left party leaders participation in Swedish-Cuban Association activities is unjustified.

• Criticism section has been disputed for a long time. Not a single time have you tried to edit the text there; its shortcomings have been a pretext for removing the critical materials as a whole (just as you have now done with Swedish communists attitude to the USSR matters).

• • Also, the disputed claims in Criticism section do have sources.--Constanz - Talk 15:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Added here:--Constanz - Talk 15:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• What are you doing? The Communist Party of Estland that emerged in 1990, existed only few months, and finished in 1991, and don't exist any more, and this was the same party, not some kind of different party than the "original" party.--£ 21:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No, the original party was that which was founded in 1920. The 1990 party was founded by the pro-USSR minority when the split occured. The majority of the original EKP became EDTP. Also, I dispute the statement that the party would have been finished in 1991. For example it took sides in the 2001 SKP-KPSS split, and participated in 2005 & 2004 communist conferences in Athens. --Soman 07:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

====Regarding reversions made on May 3 2006 (UTC) to Left Party (Sweden)====

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 12 hours. William M. Connolley 20:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Soman. I've heard that you have been on a trip again, so Bon voyage!. Anyway, if you happen to reach Estonia and if you visit Tartu, make sure you don't miss KGB CELLS MUSEUM . I assure you, it's worth visiting! Mit estnischem Gruss, --Constanz - Talk 10:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Tartous

Have you not got any nicer pictures? I mean, the whole town doesn't look entirely like that :( Palmiro | Talk 15:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've got this. :? --Soman 15:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I mean the first one is actually quite a good photo, but it would be nice to have one of the old town or the church/museum to balance it out... God knows when I'll next be back in Tartous, but I'll try and take a camera when I go. Palmiro | Talk 15:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Nepal table

I have been trying to make an image to display all the changes in Communist parties in Nepal over the years and so far the best I got was this - . Seeing as you know more about this than I was wondering if you could say A) Whether or not it is factually correct (I think it is) and B) Whether or not you think it is too messy to put on pages. Thanks. --Horses In The Sky 16:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I just realised it is already incorrect as I put CPN (United) joining CPN (UML) along with CPN (Burma) when it should have been CPN (Amatya), oh well. --Horses In The Sky 16:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, its not an easy task you've undertaken. I think it looks very good. A few remarks. 1) The link between ANCCR(ML) and CPN(Pushpa Lal) might be incorrect. At the time the CPN was in a state of flux, but it might not be so that they belonged to Pushpa Lal's party. Rather the concerned district committee could have evolved as an autonomous unit from the main CPN. 2) Secondly, I'm not sure were to put NWPP. Rohit split from Pushpa Lal in 1971, but founded NWPP in 1976. Is NWPP to be considered as a split from Pushpa Lal? Not an easy case. 3) CPN(MLM) split in CPN(MLM) and NSP(Malema), reunified as CPN(UMLM). 4) CPN(Amatya) was technically the original CPN. --Soman 09:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

In terms of ANCCR(ML), I found this which writes, In 1971, a radical peasant movement was organized by a section of the Party in Far Eastern part of Nepal called Jhapa district. The Jhapa movement created conducive environment to bring various revolutionaries from different parts of the country together and formed the All Nepal Communist Revolutionary Coordination Committee (Marxist-Leninist) in 1975.

When it writes a section of the Party it could be referring to CPN (PL) and the group is mentioned in the line before yet in that line it states Comrade Pushpa Lal formed a separate group in 1968 hoping to restore the unity and revolutionary activities of the Party so I assume the double reference to the Party (capitalized) makes it more likely to just be the original CPN. Horses In The Sky

Yes, I agree. It was most probably not the PL party after all. --Soman 17:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok so after that I think the only unresolved issue you brought up appears to be the NWPP but I think they can be considered more a split from the CPN than the CPN (PL), so here is the latest version . I think it is pretty understandable. Oh and I've changed it now so splits are shown by dashed lines whereas mergers/unifications are shown by solid lines. --Horses In The Sky 17:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

União Proletária

I've posted my keep statement on the discussion. It is one more victim of the deletionism. I'm tired of that. If you want any help regarding AfD or other deletions, just call me. I'll be happy to help. Cheers! Afonso Silva 21:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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		The Original Barnstar
		this seems like a good reason for letting you have another of these. Arre 23:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

PNG image

Hi! I noticed that you replaced the SVG image by a png one. Any reason for the switch? =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just going to post a message on your talk. I think that the SVG you made looks great, but the shaft of the sickle is different from the one generally used on CPI(M) flags (However, my version is not really perfect either). Unfortunately, i can't edit SVG files on my PC. --Soman 16:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll correct it. You can use Inkscape to edit SVG files. Would you mind if I go ahead and delete the redundant images once I've converted it to SVG? (Since most were uploaded by you). =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You may go ahead and delete them, but please post me a talk message of which files that have been converted. --Soman 16:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC) So far most that were here: commons:Category:Flags of political parties in India =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at Image:CPI-M-flag.svg now. Is this ok? =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Politics of India

Have you considered joining this project, since you seem to have lots of experience editing politics related articles.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 08:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright

I'm slightly concerned about the GFDL status of Image:Muralitharan Poster.png, which you uploaded — I've started a discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Copyright problems. Cheers — sjorford++ 15:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fecmllogo.gif listed for deletion

—Bkell (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And you've visited Estonia recently?

Oh, you've been here again? That's nice! Did you participate the demonstrations of opposing neo-Stalinists and nationalist demagogues near the occupants' memorial? I wonder if you, a world traveller, have seen such a memorial in the centre of another capital of a country, memorial dedicated to the occupying soldiers? If you have, please tell me! Anyway, hopefully you also took advantage of visiting the very interesting and commie-history related foundation I promoted a while ago! Some interest in Estonian communist politics has arisen in you at least! Regards, Constanz - Talk 17:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I was actually about to ask you. The picture was taken back in 1998, I couldn't recall if it was taken in tallinn or riga. An interesting detail is that it appears that the inscriptions of the statue appears to have been removed. --Soman 19:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

You've got translation at my talk page. P.S. If you are a bit interested in certain parts of Estonian history, you better keep in mind that the monument you've chosen as your title image for Baltics is something like swastika to Jews. Your Baltic co-contributors may find it odd that their country collection is titled on your homepage by such a symbol instead of nice a independence memorial or tourist attraction! Constanz - Talk 15:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation. However, I think you misjudge the political context of the Guinea memorial. The 1970s was an extremly repressive period in Guinean history, in which entire ethnic groups were singled out as enemies of the state. The statue is erected not to far away from the city's main concentration camp (sort of an urban gulag). My intention of posting images at my userpage is not to glorify nor the opposite, but it is a arbitrary collection of images which each illustrate features of that country or its history. --Soman 08:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Right Honourable Constanz, please don't generalize. There are quite different opinions in Baltic states on their Soviet past. It's absurd to accuse the people for honouring monuments of anti-hitleric coalition that they are "neo-Stalinists and nationalist demagogues". And the term "ocupation" is not correct for Soviet power in Baltic states. See its definition in the CONVENTION RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS OF WAR ON LAND (Hague 1907), Art. 42 Aleksandrs Kuzmins 21:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Communist Party in Sweden

I’m not sure whether it is necessary to give the name of the party leader of the miniscule KPS, but if he should be named it should be the right person. I corrected the name, but you reverted it back to the wrong name. The party leader of KPS was called first secretary according to standard in many Albanian-leaning parties. The first secretary from 1982 into the nineties was AP, not GT. This could be verified by consulting the party’s magazine Kommunisten and other printed materials from KPS. - Brynolphus 03:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the good thing is that we now can clarify the title. What was the exact title (förstesekreterare?) in Swedish? --Soman 08:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

India

Hi Soman, I had reverted some additions by an anon user about Indian National Army to India. You have reverted them back. I would request you to go through the paragraph as a whole. The information seems out of context in the para.

Even though I have a lot of respect for Subhash Chandra Bose, a mention of Indian National Army may lead others to add a mention of many other freedom fighters who were just as important and played an equal role. Please consider reverting it again. -- Lost 13:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 16, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Party of Revolutionary Communism, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

ANNFSU (R) or ANNISU (R)

Are you sure about the change? The two links listed on the page and clearly refer to it as ANNFSU (R). Horses In The Sky

I'm sure. There is frequent confusion on this, since all other Maoist-oriented CPs call their student wings ANNFSU. --Soman 19:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, if you are right could you provide some references for the article please, thanks.--Horses In The Sky 21:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Note that the naming might be confusing for Nepali journalists, as the words 'Freedom' and 'Independent' are possibly the same in Nepali. --Soman 21:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Gathering consensus of comrades?

Just to make sure someone continues the struggle when you get blocked for continuous 3RR violations? --Constanz - Talk 09:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you are well aware of that you yourself have tried to rally support for your own line user talk pages, like that of User talk:Itake. --Soman 13:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Great!

Hello Soman. I just saw National Revolutionary Socialist Party and then came to your page. You have really done a great work. Congratulations! --Bhadani 13:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks! --Soman 08:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Venstre poster

Hi Soman

That's a very nice poster you've uploaded. Where did you find it and did you find other examples? I've never seen this one before. Best regards. Valentinian 20:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

geez, i can't recall exactly. I think it was a site about Danish WWII history. --Soman 13:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Valentinian 15:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

CfD Organizations_accused_of_terrorism

Category:Organizations accused of terrorism is up for deletion. Thanks, --Ben Houston 00:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Double redirects

Hey, good work on the Dutch fascism articles, but when you move a page, remember to use "What links here" to check for double-redirects and re-point those pages as needed. Thanks. --Stlemur 19:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Communism

Hi there! Take a look at the newly created Portal:Communism, I need help. If you could participate and improve the Portal, it would be great. Make any suggestions you want at the Portal talk or at my talk page. Cheers! Afonso Silva 14:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Working with portals is no big deal, it's just like working with wikiprojects and templates, basically. The leftwing contribution is idle since long ago, the portal can be a good way to gather contributors interested in leftwing subjects. If you want to suggest selected articles, just do it. I want to start a communism-related topics box, if you want to propose a structure or things to be included, that would be great. Thanks! Afonso Silva 16:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Gu loga2.png)

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Problematic image uploads

1. Two images you uploaded have been listed on WP:PUI, you cannot take a photo of a poster crop out bits and licence it under the GFDL. As a derivative work it can only be fair use.
2. Galleries of fair use images are not a fair use. Please read WP:FU and WP:FUC to familiarise yourself with the requirements for fair use.
3. These images eg. Image:Zcdua.jpg are not official party logos, they look like they have been taken from an elections result website, putting them in a table is not a fair use.

--Peta 02:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Once again, galleries or 7 images illustrating the same thing (like a political party) are not compatible with fair use, please desist.--Peta 03:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

To constitue/justify multiple fair use images all about the same organisation, those images need to be used in a context involving critical commentary and analysis, which was not the case on any of the articles where I removed images.--Peta 23:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Same question by me - where did you find this stuff? i've myself going to steal some DDR images from crwflags.--Constanz - Talk 09:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

What about the LDPD poster -- what's the exact date it was used? I doubt if it was used during blockpartei times (as the position in the article indicates); probably it was used during its semi-independent times, before the gleichschaltung--Constanz - Talk 09:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

CDU poster from , the LDPD was from an archive of liberal posters in post-war Germany. --Soman 10:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

You better do not switch: the LDPD logo is black and white, flag is true colour. I'm currently creating templates where logos are used.--Constanz - Talk 10:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

União dos Estudantes Comunistas

What do you think is the best translation of "União dos Estudantes Comunistas"? The present translation is Communist Students League. Do you find it correct? And the same for Young Communist League (Portugal). Why should we replace the word "Union" with "League" when translating? Thanks!

YCL is an English-language standard for communist youth leagues, just as UJC is in Latin languages. But perhaps UEC should be retranslated to 'union'. However, União and Union are not exactly the same in actual usage, and i wouldn't say that its entirely incorrect to translate to 'League' --Soman 13:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

It would be translated "League" if it was "Liga". That's my doubt. Perhaps Union would be better, but at the same time it has the syndicalist meaning. I don't know what to do. I'd translate "Young Communist League" as "Liga Jovem Comunista". Do you know any place where I can ask this question? Cheers! Afonso Silva 14:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed my username

Hello! I'm Afonso Silva, I changed my username to Mário. Cheers! Mário 09:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Names

Please explain your changes to the Rajagopalachari page. While I hold no brief for a particular form of reference, it is easier to read if Gandhi is variously referred to as Gandhiji or Mahatma Gandhi. In particular, it also considered respectful by some, and can hardly be considered confusing or NPOV Indeed, 'Gandhiji' is for a large proportion of readers the most familiar and conveneint name and, since we are not discussing an article name, does not fall under the purview of WP policy on names.Hornplease 07:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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Sindicalista

Sorry, that was not intended. I had noticed the date no longer coincided with the category date, and I mistakenly changed the date in the wrong place. Will change back to 1974 in both. Thanks for letting me know. Dahn 15:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Logos

I seen that the OrphanBot tags logos, lacking source info, for deletion. However, when a image is tagged as {logo}, which is a fair use allowed on wiki, wouldn't it be taken from granted that the image originated from the organization to which it belongs (regardless whether it was found on the web or scanned from paper)? --Soman 10:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Which logos are these? OrphanBot shouldn't be tagging logos as unsourced. --Carnildo 18:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

In this case it was the Image:Pcperu logo.gif. --Soman 12:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

OrphanBot didn't tag that one. You'll have to as Fritz Saalfeld, who tagged it, why he thought that the source information was inadequate. --Carnildo 18:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Communist Consolidation, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue  17:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Translation

Sure, not at all! :) Jacek Kendysz 13:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure - to the best of my abilities. --Bhadani 13:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Valentinian 14:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Political parties

Hi Soman, could you please give me one typic article about a political party in English? In that way it is easier to say which problems we will encounter when translating to Neapolitan. You can reach me under nap:User:SabineCretella. Please do not write me on en.wikipedia I am hardly evver logged in when I am here. You can also reach me through the Wiktionary chat or via skype (sabinecretella) Talk to you soon! --SabineCretella 17:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

re: Help with translation

Hi, I did the Finnish bit for you, but I'm afraid that Finnish is not a very straightforward language to translate because of all the agglutination. When affixes are added to words, the base forms often change a little, and it's not possible to know the word forms without actually knowing the language quite well. I managed to go around that in most of the cases in the list without making it sound artificial, but I'm afraid there's no way to do that for the first two and the last one - the affixes depend on the base form, and the base form may be changed slightly by the affixes. - ulayiti (talk) 08:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Political parties translation

Hi Soman, I checked the Turkish translation test on User:Soman/Lang-Help-test and it seems very good. I'm looking forward to see the project fully implemented and working. Could you please let me know when you actually start creating articles with it? Atilim Gunes Baydin 10:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

most probably it will last at least 1-2 weeks until i start to produce articles in a systematic way. Anyways, thanks for help out and I'll get back if there are some additional words/sentences that i need translated. --Soman 10:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Political parties translation to PT

I've just added the ones I could translate. Portuguese has genders for "the", so I translated with masculine/feminine in places where the gender could be either. I currently don't know how to translate "Chairman", and I'm not sure how to translate the "Socialist International" and the "Liberal International", so it's mostly a guess. Hope this helps. --Phelan 21:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Translation to DE

Hi, Soman. I've filled most gaps on your DE page. Hope that's useful for you. (Sorry for editing every single section for its own.) Good luck with your script. Grtx, --Thomas Goldammer (Talk) 22:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Tamil translation

Tamil translation is nearly complete. Check out User:Soman/Lang-Help-ta. Can this be extended to Indian political parties ? Election Commission of India publishes stats for the recognised political parties. -- Sundar 09:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Chinese translation

Hello. I have recently done some work on your Chinese language help page. I wasn't sure whether to use Simplified or Traditional, so I put both. I hope this helps. --Ionius Mundus 16:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Hindu politics

Hi, look at the talk page of the above template and please discuss before changing. Thanks. --→Talk 08:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Persian translation

User:Soman/Lang-Help-fa was translated. 137.82.96.26 10:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindi Translations

Hi Soman,

You have done good work, but there are a few problems. One of the problems I could find arose because of certain differences of Hindi with other languages. In Hindi, verbs have two forms (masculine and feminine) depending on the noun they qualify. So while the translation of "In the 2005 parliamentary election the party got 1000 votes." is "२००५ के संसदीय चुनाव में इस दल को १००० मत मिले ।", the translation for "In the 2005 parliamentary election the party got 3 seats." would be "२००५ के संसदीय चुनाव में इस दल को ३ सीटें मिलीं ।" (note the italics). This is because while the noun of "vote" in Hindi is masculine, that for "seat(s)" is feminine. The corresponding verb form is "(to) get". Since the sentence you provided was "In the 2005 parliamentary election the party got 1000 votes (1%, 3 seats).", I used the verb form of "(to) get" for "votes". — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ripuarian/Kölsch translation (political Party)

Hi I completed the Kölsch (Ripuarian) translation today. See User talk:Soman/Lang-Help-ksh for additional comments. I did not want to take the risk to put it on the page User:Soman/Lang-Help-ksh so as to not break anything. I am sorry for not being able to find a genderless and numberless etc. wording for all messages. -- Purodha Blissenbach 15:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Names

Fine with me. I'll also add a note in the Indian noticeboard. As said earlier, I don't have a strong preference either way, though a slight one towards spaces. Tintin (talk) 11:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Initials Tintin (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Where the are no definite rules, the opinions of the major contributor(s) of the article takes precedence. Since no one has commented, I guess you can have it your way. Tintin (talk) 11:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright

Hi, I'm new here and I don't know much about copyright questions. I couldn't find a suitable tag for an image I added to German Communist Party page. I see you have also contributed to the article, may-be you are interested in ensuring this partical picture a concrete status.Irakhli 16:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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Azeri Communists

Hi Soman, thanks for your message and congratulations for all the work you have done, very interesting. I'm going to make articles of other azeri communist parties ( there are many ). Bye. (Limonlimone 00:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC))

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San Marino

Ciao! yes I'm interested about San Marino politics and it's historical parties. Probably you are asking about what in english will sound like The Events of Rovereta if you are Italian like me, you can find the infos you are looking for, just checking this Page==>it:Fatti di Rovereta or on this website: http://www.libertas.sm/libri/Rovereta/rov_0.htm anyway... was a kind of "golpe", not during the '60s or '70s but on 1957. will be really interesting to write about this on en.wiki now I've a question for you.... The following website: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sm.html http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5387.htm

as you can see are reporting that in English their People Nationality: Noun and adjective--Sammarinese .... so not San Marinese like reported in english wikipedia... so what we have do with the Parties name like San Mainese Communist Refondation and the others? Nickel Chromo 06:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ciao! unfortunately I've no data aobut the Marxist Leninist Party of San Marino! soory! :(

and now I'm really interested too!!!

thanks and wow!

hey your articles in farsi are wonderful,though a little furnishing on them would be good (which i will do). thanks for your help in persian wiki. --Arash red 17:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Sardul Singh Caveeshar

You said there was a source on the talk page. Can you cite on the actual article?Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I noted you added your name to WP:NA

I note you added your name to Misplaced Pages:List of non-admins with high edit counts. You've got great editing/contributing experience and I liked the first dozen edits I reviewed. Have you been very active on the Wikipolicy end of things? Things like newpage reviews to identify potential articles for deletion, recent changes reviews to identify vandalism and spam? Also important to have followed the Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship nominations for a short while. The current trend of reviewers for nominations use a reasonable count (somewhere around 500 Wikispace edits) in these areas as a measure of ones knowledge of Wikipolicy. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 07:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wow

Your pictures and article list are amazing. What is your profession? How have you had a chance to take all of these pictures? and thanks for sharing them.  :) 21:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Translation project?

Hey, didn't you start the translation project? What happened to it? We could use it a lot in the Bengali wikipedia, which currently lacks almost all the political party articles. Drop me a note if more help is needed with the translations. --Ragib 07:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

ohh, that's bad ... I was hoping to get the party pages automatically translated! Anyway, if you are using windows, you can enable Bangla rendering ... and may be type something too (phonetically) ... This link would give you the fonts and the typing manager. Similar things are available for Linux too. Thanks. --Ragib 08:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

PS, this gives a lot of Bangla fonts. However, you need to enable Bangla rendering (in XP, you should be fine if you have enabled other Indian languages). --Ragib 08:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Revolutionary People's Party

Hi, I'm readding Revolutionary People's Party to Secession in Turkey category if you don't have any objections.--Hattusili 05:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

putting old parties back in communist parties in u.s category

(1) What say we split the category in two: One for a category Current U.S. communist parties and one for a category Past U.S. communist parties, or something like that. (2) (1) was a nice way of trying to remind you that no one owns the categories or what goes in them or doesn't. It's childish for us to get into an edit-war over this, but I did extract the old parties from this category initially for clear reasons, not just on a whim. So please, the next time something like this is in threat of happening, I'd say it's a sign of more maturity to talk about it rather than just reverting constantly. 24.199.91.55 08:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Generally, borh existing and defunct parties are mixed in the Communist parties in... categories (see Category:Communist parties in India, Category:Communist parties in Nepal, Category:Communist parties in the Netherlands, Category:Communist parties in Portugal). However, a Category:Defunct communist parties in the United States could be created (in line with other Defunct political parties in... categories). That could be a subcat to both communist parties in the United States as well as historical political movements in the United States. --Soman 08:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

CGPI

Were they (CGPI) followers of Communist Albanian Party of Labour and Enver Hoxha? Clt13 05:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The way I understand it, they belonged to the tendency led by Hardial Bains. The Bainsites were generally supporting Albania, but were a separate tendency parallel to the general pro-Albanian tendency. I'm not sure if there was any other pro-Albanian CP in India, but the Indian Hoxhaites gathered around the Indo-Albanian Frienship Association. --Soman 10:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Poor trade unions

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I'm sorry, because you seem to create plenty of pages about political parties, but please consider something about an encyclopedia. Notability is a good criterion, non notability leads one to disapprove your creation.

Does the FSB have a program, or a candidate, that is outstanding ? Is the place where they competed something special ? Trade union parties are worldwide and, yes, some did good job and this must be known. -- DLL 20:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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"Legal formalities"

Please do not misrepresent my edits . The criteria for setting up a national political party are clearly outlined by the Federal Electoral Institute and are not negotiable. There are National political associations for smaller groups, but they are not "parties" on their own right and the vast majority are not notable enough to merit articles of their own. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

You have to differentiate two separate issues. IFE as a government entity has a task of carrying out registrations of political parties. They have certain criteria (probably politically motivated) for which organizations that are to gain that recognition. Those criteria are by no means necessarily linked to the criteria of political parties at wikipedia. Secondly, Mexico is a very sizeable country. To deny organizations that lack parliamentary representation an article at wikipedia would be highly deletionist. If you wish to delete articles, you are required to take up an AfD. Just changing to redirects is not feasible. --Soman 13:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of the alleged political motivations behind the IFE criteria, you have to understand these are the only, verifiable criteria we have at hand for Mexico. Moreover, national political associations do not have parliamentary association (did you read that article at all?) but regardless they are still mentioned in mentioned in the article and a list of those that had Misplaced Pages articles is provided. What you have to realize is that not every self-styled "communist" organization is notable, and if they don't even cross the threshold to become a NPA (or even a local political association, in each state) they are most likely not notable enough to deserve their own article. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you have to go to the wiki article political party for the definition of a political parties as per wikipedia articles. Mexico is not an isolated island, and there is no reason why there should be any expection from wiki standards regarding the Mexican parties. --Soman 13:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Per the lead of the political party article (emphasis mine):

"A political party is an organization that seeks to attain political power within a government, usually by participating in electoral campaigns. Parties often espouse a certain ideology, but may also represent a coalition among disparate interests."

These "parties" are not allowed to stand in elections, thus rendering your point moot. And your point regarding "wiki standards" is wrong, otherwise there the creation of WikiProjects focused on each country wouldn't be encouraged (as part of countering systemic bias and "cultural imperialism" such as imposing blanket definitions which may not true for certain countries). -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Per the lead of the political party article (emphasis mine):

"A political party is an organization that seeks to attain political power within a government, usually by participating in electoral campaigns. Parties often espouse a certain ideology, but may also represent a coalition among disparate interests." --Soman 14:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

That usually is there to account for parties in countries like China or the former USSR were there are/were no formal democratic elections (hey, not calling the Communist Party in China a Party is a bit insane). Howerver, since the only recognized way to get into government in Mexico is by elections, I still don't see what are we arguing about, sinnce none of these groups advocate violent revolution as a means to get into power. Moreover few of these get public funds and those who do are not allowed to stand unless they get registered as parties. Calling them parties is simply, not verifiable, untrue and POV. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I only just saw this discussion. Consider having this discussion on an article's Talk page; you could get some good insight there. --Duncan 14:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Shining Path

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• Hello Soman...I am curious...You seem to know Swedish...you are a staunch protector of all things Communist...you seem specially interested in Shining Path...are you a "Senderista"?--AAAAA 11:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • To be quite honest, for a person making repeated edits on the article, you seem to have a very limited knowledge about the dynamics of the communist movement. Study my edit history, and you will see at several points where my views differ from the sendero line. For example, see recent edits at Faiz Ahmad and Akram Yari. --Soman 11:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you saw this diff, but it's pretty much the hight of hysteria. --Descendall 12:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Anecdotically, in a sense it might actually be one of the saner AAAAA edits. The 'Friendship Society Sweden-New Peru' is relatively quite wellknown in the Swedish left, mainly for odd and very long slogans. At some point I think there might have been more active senderistas in Sweden than in Peru. See . --Soman 12:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that there's a big difference between a handful of Sendero sympathizers and an actual "active cell." Maybe I'm just misinterperting AAAAA's comment. I don't think so, however. We're talking about a person who thinks that a 1960s Venezuelan urban guerrilla organization was a "branch" of the Shining Path, see Lilian Cristina Aya Ramírez --Descendall 13:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Socialist Convergence (Mexico)

Thnaks for letting me know about the blanketting at Socialist Convergence (Mexico). I have restored the page and given a warning. However, I do feel that the editor is right that CS is not a yet party, and is an association. I have changed the entry to reflect that. If these issues continue, let me know. I will be happy to move forward the arbiration steps with you. --Duncan 14:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Socialist Unity Centre of Inida

Hey Soman, Your recent edit to the Socialist Unity Centre of Inida ] leaves it poorer, I am afraid. Please note that a wall writing of a political party is not a mural but at best a graffito. You can check here If you are convinced please correct it.Kuntan 10:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

About Swedish general election, 2006

Usually when I follow the discussion in Swedish politics, read-green usually defines v-s-(mp)-c, also called by some "Rödgrön röra" (red-grean mess), if not the centre party is included in the group, then I think it shouldn't be defined as red-green (as green defines the centre, not mp). red-yellow perhaps is a bad term, perhaps more like "the left coallition" or something simlar. _→AzaToth 12:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

1) Yellow is never the colour associated with the Greens. 2) Red-Green is an uncomplicated term today. The Centre Party uses the green colour, but are not Greens in the political sense. --Soman 12:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps in an international sense, but in swedish politics, the scale is blue - green - red, but "The Greens" is more to the left than the Social Democrats. Also the term Read Green Mess came for when the Social Democrats and the Centre tried to corperate together. I just wanted to say that in sedish politics, the color green is associated with the "Centre", not the "Greens", the "greens" is associated with the color yellow. _→AzaToth 12:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Karl Marx biography

dear Soman,

please have a look at Karl Marx Talk page and my concerns there. I think you are one of those who can do something about it --Arash red 16:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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Congress (S) shenanigans

1978-80 was a confusing time, but not all members of the congress (U) went into the Congress (S). Jagjivan Ram was part of urs' party, and he split away first; YB Chavan left the party, anticipating a return to the Congress (I). The Congress (U) deserves its own page as the first proto-Third Front type thing, an national alliance of pure regional leaders. The rump of the Congress (U) did in fact become the Congress (S), but after its ranks were decimated and Sharad Pawar assumed command. Hornplease 00:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Your revert removing information

Hey Soma, Your last revert of Socialist Unity Ccentre of India was improper because it was simply meant to remove information. I don't think I need to say what such removal of text is called in Misplaced Pages.Kundan After Sundown 08:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand that you are a tirelles revert warrior. Sometimes it is good, sometimes it is bad. Similar is the case of your propreitary feeling towards articles that have your contributions. I simply gave the criticism SUCI faces in a neutral way. That was not my point of view. Some Naxalite publications in Kerala published those things, I don't remember if Comrade or Vanguard did it. Your removal is based on ignorance, I am afraid. We had better refer this article for arbitration.Kundan After Sundown 08:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not have a 'propreitary feeling' towards any article, except my own userpage and talk. I do not agree that you presented the view of the rest of the Indian left in a neutral way, and generally its not wikipedia's role to transmit political slander. The personal allegations against Ghosh were presented in an inpropriate way. Several formulations in your edit constituted OR. Moreover, there are several instances were other left groups have cooperation with SUCI. --Soman 09:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Belgaum border dispute

Mahawiki provided some Mr citations. I'm not a native Hindi speaker, so I have difficulty verifying the words (I'm AGF with him, I just want to have some closure). Like you said MArathi is not Chinese, so you may want to see for yourself.Bakaman _Bakatalk 03:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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German Communist Party

Hi Soman,

You added a proposal for the article about the German Communist Party to be moved to the correct title. I've gone ahead and done this and added message to the talk page of the user who initially moved the article to where it was.--Carabinieri_Talk 14:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Kaka Joginder Singh alias Dharti Pakad

A search of the first page led to your userpage. Could you find in your archives, any more elections he was in?Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)