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"Dutch language, spoken in Aruba, Belgium, Curaçao, the Netherlands, Sint Maarten, and Suriname." ] (]) 3:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC) "Dutch language, spoken in Aruba, Belgium, Curaçao, the Netherlands, Sint Maarten, and Suriname." ] (]) 3:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

== letter frequency ==

] between Dutch, English and German]]

This picture is incomplete and misleading:
* Which English is considered? Real English (with -re and -ise), US English (with -er and -ize), another type, all types? Obviously US English has z more often than real English.
* German has more letters, namely ä, ö, ü, ß. Due to technical limitations ä can be replaced by ae etc. But is ä simply misleadingly omitted, is it missleadingly treated as ae, is it incorrectly treated as a?
* What time is considered? Before ca. 1900 German often used th instead of t. So obviously h was more common before 1900 than after 1900.
* What's the source? Picture description page only has "Source: Own work", does that mean it's original research?
-] (]) 06:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

::Agree without source this picture is not acceptable. Especially in the context of which English (if it were British English the U frequency seems somewhat low - colour etc), if it is American English the z frequency is impossibly low. Also how do we count diphones (e.g. Dutch has a lot of "double" vowels (ee, ie, ou) where German uses umlauts - and what happens with those? For now I do not think the figure should be in until it is clear what data is used to create it. ] (]) 11:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

== Van Dale, headwords ==

There is a contradiction between this page giving more than 200 000 headwords to the Van Dale and the ] page giving 90 000. --] (]) 04:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

== Germanic dialects map ==

]
This map needs to be removed because it peddles the same myths about the Germanic peoples that were circulated in the 19th and early 20th centuries. For one, how can you draw such clear borders between supposed ancient "Germanic" dialects if no written record of them exists?! Also, archeological evidence show a different picture all together, with many inhabited areas referred to as "cultures' because they can't be linked with certainty to any specific group of peoples. --] (]) 10:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)


== Help needed with an ancient dutch book == == Help needed with an ancient dutch book ==

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"Dutch language, spoken in Aruba, Belgium, Curaçao, the Netherlands, Sint Maarten, and Suriname." Speling12345 (talk) 3:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Help needed with an ancient dutch book

It's some months now I've been working on the XVII century "Euclides Danicus" book, by Gerog Mohr. For some reasons, I build a new PDF file, 40 text pages + 8 drawing pages. The problem is to do the OCR, since ancient Dutch uses some "strange" characters I don't know which unicode to replace with. Here are some examples:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aldoaldoz/38799385520/

  • The yellow background are related to a char similar to an F (beFtaende, eerFte) which in modern dutch should py replaced by an S;
  • pink background: "ct";
  • green background: the "long S", which is no more used in modern dutch.

I'd like to do the OCR the best way possible, so that the ancient language is preserved at best (actually I don't want to translate it into modern Dutch). So the questions are: which unicode chars should I use? Is there someone can help me, or can tell me someone to ask? Once ready, the file will be uploaded to wiki commons, both pdf and djvu. Thanks in advance! --Aldoaldoz (talk) 10:30, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

U+0283, this is suposed to work for the long s. You could also try Unicode 383. I hope it works! Falco iron (talk) 11:55, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Standard language: 3 genders

I am confused by the "two to three genders" in the lead. So there are neuter words which I don't think anyone is disputing. And while many historically feminine and masculine words can be considered "common" in the standard language (=speakers can chose whether these words are referred to as "hij/hem/zijn" (he/him/his) or "zij/ze/haar" (she/her/her)), not all words can. Het Groene Boekje has purely feminine (e.g., ) and purely masculine () words, which means that there are three genders in the standard language. Morgengave (talk) 09:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Dialect boundaries vs political border

In the article I read: "However, the national border has given way to dialect boundaries coinciding with a political border, because the traditional dialects are strongly influenced by the national standard varieties." "To give way" means: "to yield / collapse / be followed". I suppose the author did not mean the national border yielded to dialect boudndaries.

I suppose the author meant to express that (some) former dialect boundaries have given way to (a) new dialect boundary/ies which run(s) along the national boundary; this would make sense. Can the author confirm this?Redav (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Diminutives

A (more) helpful account is given on http://wrvzoektochten.be/onewebmedia/Verkleinwoordjes.htm, as well as on https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/verkleinvormen-algemene-regels/ (with at least one internal contradiction on 2018:0709, for "leerlingetje", and several confusing or debatable wordings).Redav (talk) 00:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

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