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Please help me on conventions regarding Hong Kong

Hi,

I recently added an entry for the 2018 award ceremony regarding José Vasconcelos World Award of Education. The award ceremony will be held in Hong Kong. I decided to add the Hong Kong flag .

Issue is that Hong Kong is a an administrative region of China .

What are the conventions to be used for Hong Kong in articles on Wiki? I have the feel that either way would be fine, but I prefer to ask this forum to get some guidelines.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Healing Mandala (talk) 16:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Healing Mandala and (belatedly) welcome to the Teahouse.

It seems no answer is forthcoming here. This sometimes happens on questions that require specialist knowledge to answer. You might have more success asking at WT:WikiProject Hong Kong. — jmcgnh 05:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Good luck to you....Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover 08:05, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about Editing -👍

hello how can i be a wikipedia article fixer and stop other persons to add in the article.

                     Thanks good day

==👍== hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickyjamelcangri7873215640 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Nickyjamelcangri7873215640: - Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project, which people are free to edit provided that they do not violate policy and editing decorum. You can fix vandalism through reversion and editing, removing malicious content where you see it (ensure that your removal is justified). However, it is antithetical to the spirit of the project to stop other persons to add in the article, and so this should not be done unless absolutely necessary, in which case page protection or administrator intervention may be needed. However, to edit successfully on Misplaced Pages, collaboration is required, so you should not aim to stop other people from editing. This may constitute an edit war, is unconstructive, and not what we aim to do here. I would suggest reading WP:AGF and WP:OWN, and taking an open-minded approach to the work of other editors. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

The question is, why wouldn't you want anyone to improve the article for you?Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover 08:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Query

How to archive a special discussion on the talk page of an article? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 12:38, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Harshrathod50, and welcome to the Teahouse! It's a bit easier than you may think actually. All you do is copy the discussions you're archiving into a subpage of the talk page, called "/Archive X." X is the lowest number that does not yet exist as an archive. For example, if you wanted to archive the page Talk:X, you would copy the discussions you're archiving and if the page hasn't been archived yet, you would paste them into a new page called Talk:X/Archive 1, add {{Talk archive}} to the top of the archive page, and save it. Then, remove the copied material from the main talk page, mentioning the new archive in your edit summary. You would then add {{Archives}} to the main talk page. You can find a lot more information about this at Help:Archiving a talk page. Hope this helps!--SkyGazer 512 15:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay thanks, but I also want to transclude the same discussion on another talk page as a closed debate. How to do that? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 17:12, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Transcluding discussions is not advisable. Instead, you could create a link to the other discussion and explain to the readers why it is relevant. EdJohnston (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, but how come talk pages have some discussions have a box surrounding them which says this discussion is saved as an archived debate. Do not modify it. I forgot which page I saw this otherwise I would have linked here. Yes, I understand that archives are not templates but how come transcluding them is possible? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 02:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Harshrathod50: The terminology might be a bit confusing. "Archiving" usually refers to how to remove threads from a talk page to put them into archive subpages. The boxes you saw are what happens when a discussion gets closed (Misplaced Pages:Closing_discussions#Closing_vs_archiving explains the confusion). Please do not close discussions in which you are involved. I am not sure you know what "transcluding" means. If you do, please clarify your question. Tigraan 08:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! You solved many of my doubts. By transcluding I mean how independent RfD pages can be transcluded in one common page as seen in many WikiProjects but I also saw that talk page discussions can be closed just like RfD pages. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Proper number of citations for an uncontroversial stub

The name pretty much says it all. How many sources should an uncontroversial stub article, such as this, have? I think a good policy that one source is always too few, but would adding a second one be enough if it only applied to a specific claim in the article? Matthew V. Milone (talk) 03:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

My feeling is that "the proper number of sources for a stub" is not a sensible concept. A stub isn't really a proper thing at all; it's just an article on a subject which has been considered notable, but isn't yet in a good enough state to be welcomed as an article. Ideally, stubs would not exist. Maproom (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Matthew V. Milone. I am glad that you stopped by for a visit. I also create many stub articles and can tell you that they are a good start in adding content to Misplaced Pages. Before you add your stub article to Misplaced Pages have as many citations as possible to support the content. Your stub should be more than one sentence long-otherwise it should be a contribution to Wikitionary. Please continue to add referenced content to your stub and when it progresses to a longer article, it won't be a stub. Make certain that your references truly support your content and come from good publications. If you need any more help in working on stubs, please come back to the Teahouse. We love to help new editors. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 01:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Barbara (WVS) is right. I should not have said that stubs are unacceptable. The wording used at Misplaced Pages:Stub is "too short to provide encyclopedic coverage". Maproom (talk) 07:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

There might be a misunderstanding here. I didn't create the article in question, and wasn't planning on creating an article in the near future. My approach to contributing to Misplaced Pages so far has been to look through the category pages for articles with basic problems, such as too few wikilinks, then pick an article in that category and fix the problem. In this case, I tried to take care of two problems at once: adding wikilinks and adding sources. The fact that it's a stub is still an issue, of course, but it's not one that I was intending to address, and a lack of sources is a distinct problem from a lack of material. Is my approach of fixing one problem in many articles reasonable, or is it recommended that I fix all the problems on a smaller set of articles? Matthew V. Milone (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Matthew V. Milone: To answer the original question: it is not a question of number. For notability, WP:GNG's wording includes "sources" so it is commonly accepted that there should be at least two, but otherwise quality trumps quantity; two good sources are enough. In the example you linked to, the sources seem legit from the refs (I have not checked they exist or are actually reliable).

You should never feel compelled to fix "Y" when you set out to fix "X" (unless doing the fix for X breaks the article even more until the fix for Y is done).

Finally, I do not agree with Maproom here. We have plenty of short articles that are permastubs and fine as they are (arguably very few of existing stubs fall into that category, and most should be deleted, merged or developed, but some do). I remember a semi-famous entry of the Encyclopédie that went something like X is a plant that grows in Tierra del Fuego. A reader might wonder what good that entry does, as no further information is available; whoever does not live there cares little what grows there, and whoever does will already know it grows there upon seeing it. To which I answer that it is better than there is a silly entry, than no entry at all. Tigraan 09:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

creating a new Misplaced Pages page .

Hello

Totally green when it comes to WIKIPEDIA. Have been contacted through social media to have a WIKIPEDIA page created for myself(I am an actor and producer listed on IMDB among other sites).

Am interested in having someone help me create a page(can't trust the person that reached out to me as I don't know them) Can you provide me with advice on who to contact in order to have someone help me design this?

Is my request even appropiate for WIKIPEDIA?

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eve austin (talk • contribs) 16:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Eve austin: The person who reached out to you is a scam artist. We do not reach out to people. Please give us their name so we can block them on our site. You might also want to block them on whatever social media site you met them on.

We strongly discourage any users from creating or even editing any articles about themselves. See WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Autobiography for more information.

If you would like to write an article about anyone or anything else, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Eve austin and Ian.thomson: "It's a scam" might be a little too harsh, but "it's likely a scam" is unfortunately correct. Editing Misplaced Pages for pay is allowed, though discouraged, but only if the editor discloses that they are editing for pay. Before forking out any money, make sure to understand what is on the table; for instance, none can guarantee you that anything they write on any Misplaced Pages page will be kept, since all pages are (in principle) open to editing for anyone; similarly, if someone says they can delete your Misplaced Pages page or prevent it from being deleted, they are lying. Tigraan 09:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Removed/Missing URL

This citation was edited by 'CitationCleanerBot', AP Faure (6 Apr 2013). "Money Creation: Genesis 2: Goldsmith-Bankers and Bank Notes". Social Science Research Network. SSRN 2244977. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |url= (help), to remove the URL and access-date. The article is now appearing in the 'Category:Pages using web citations with no URL'. I assume that the URL was removed since the SSRN number links to the article abstract. I have done maintenance to articles to remove them from this maintenance category, often by changing the template, sometimes adding the URL. I would be irate if I added an URL to fix a maintenance issue to have a Bot remove it. Misplaced Pages describes SSRN as a 'website' not a 'journal' so I assume {{Cite web}} is appropriate. Does the Bot or template need to be enhanced?

I do not know what the standard is for using URLs with citations that use DOI, Bibcode, JSTOR, etc. I usually use URL to point to the actual text that supports the statement referenced. I have seen many times that URL is used to link to Google, Amazon, Worldcat, etc, descriptions of the book or journal, not the actual text. Any insights to share?User-duck (talk) 17:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@User-duck: Welcome to the Teahouse. You didn't identify which article you are talking about but I'm guessing you mean this article:

Banknote

While I'm not familiar with that particular bot, my guess is that your assumption is correct — given the link and the SSRN number there's no need for a redundant link as a URL. You stated that this edit remove the access date. I don't see that the access date was there before and I don't see it removed.

You mentioned that The article is now appearing in the 'Category:Pages using web citations with no URL. My guess is that this is triggered by some other citation not this one.

I don't consider it a best practice to use a URL to link to the actual text to support the statement. Many templates, including the cite web template, have a specific field called "quote" which is specifically designed to carry out that function.

See Template:Cite_web#Quote --S Philbrick(Talk) 18:27, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Sphilbrick:, for the insight. Good guess on the article. I misremembered the bot removing the access-date (it was never there). I had added the URL to the cite to eliminate the maintenance listing (and a couple of other paramters like |date=. I do not know if I should add |access-date=, I had accessed the web page to verify it was still alive and had text of the source but did not verify that the text supported the statement. The bot did remove the |url= and |access-date= from a {{Cite journal}} using a |jstor= parameter. But {{Cite journal}} does not require an URL and having a |access-date= without an |url= would generate an entry in a different maintenance category.

{{Cite web}} and {{Cite book}} documentation both state, "url: URL of an online location where the text of the publication can be found. …", text not identification or description. This would be redundant with the rest of the cite parameters. Is there some "guideline" that says when the |url= parameter is not to be used? User-duck (talk) 05:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Reporting suspected paid editors

Hello. I would like to help the cause by reporting some accounts I suspect of belonging to paid editors. How do I go about doing this?Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover 09:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Crazy Cat Person: First, you should read WP:OUTING (and, optionally, Misplaced Pages:Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and outing) before doing anything silly with off-Misplaced Pages information. Then, try asking the editors if that is not already done, and if no satisfying explanation comes, head to this noticeboard to lay out whatever proof you have. Tigraan 09:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I think someone needs to look at this users editing. They are a fly by tagger and don't appear to be tagging correctly. NZFC 09:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree that CCP appears to be going through newly created articles and applying tags. Dozens tagged just today! While many articles need improvement, slapping on tags (COI, autobiography, etc.) can be an affront to the creators, who are probably operating in good faith, and may well be intending to return to the new articles to make improvements. To me, looks like whacking noobies without sufficient cause. User ProprioMe OW has reverted many of the tags.

Note that CCP's User page contains this 'manifesto': "As a deletionist who hates all business, I hereby take it upon myself to patrol all new pages on Misplaced Pages for any trace of paid editing or conflict of interest editing. If god is my witness I will eradicate the scourge of paid editing and conflict of interest editing." A good cause, but perhaps too enthusiastic. Also, the line is "As God is my witness..." David notMD (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I left a message on their TP after reviewing the contributions. Tigraan 11:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

How to delete an inappropriate redirect?

I came across https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hall_of_Shame&redirect=no
How do I delete such inappropriate redirect? -- DexterPointy (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello DexterPointy and welcome to the Teahouse.

At this point, I fail to see why that redirect is inappropriate. If you wish to see it deleted, you may nominate it for deletion via the redirects for discussion process. You need to have a solid policy-based reason for deletion. — jmcgnh 13:55, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Looks like a good redirect IMHO. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The two ("Hall of Shame" and "Wall of Shame") are about as related as "Liquid" and "Water", i.e. too different to have a redirect in place.
But I'll void requesting the redirect to be removed (too little value in the removal to justify the cumbersome Misplaced Pages procedure). -- DexterPointy (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@DexterPointy: Your recent modifications at Wall of Shame appear to be an exercise in WP:original research, but they do better explain your concern. As can be seen on the talk page of the article, there has been some disagreement about the article and how it is named. The redirect has a talk page as well where you could try to work this out with other editors. Having some examples of things called "hall of shame" would go a long way towards improving the situation. — jmcgnh 17:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

• The title discussion on the article's Talk page was 12 years ago, and today: There's perfect alignment of the article's content and title (i.e. no problem there).
  The redirect page does not have a Talk page, though it can very easily be created. But if the final purpose is to have the redirect removed, then a redirect's talk page actually becomes a place for discussing if there should be a discussion about taking action (meta-discussions are nearly always over the top).
  The "Wall of Shame" article contain plenty good examples, clarifying/illustrating what's meant by a "Wall of Shame".
  There is no "Hall of Shame" article, and thus no obvious coverage on Misplaced Pages of it (Wiktionary has a short entry https://en.wiktionary.org/hall_of_shame ). Finding good examples for "Hall of Shame" is probably somewhat difficult since "Hall of Shame" seem to be a bit of neology spun from "Hall of Fame", without any clear identifiable origin and usage other that what any English speaking individual can immediately and intuitively comprehend and appreciate on encountering the phrase in the wild (which is fairly common; mileage may vary).
  Original Research(?) I haven't seen any reliable source shedding light on neither the difference nor the similarity, and in fact: I haven't seen any discussion anywhere on it. Yet, both expressions are in ordinary use. If we end up in a discussion, aiming at consensus, then (ironically) that implies setting up a language lab (Talk page) doing original research on the English language (Note: Every language is defined by those who speak it, and that's especially true when no accepted dictionary has relevant entries, doing cross-comparison).
  -- DexterPointy (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hello, I wanted to create an article about the website, without promoting it, just clear and informational article. But I got the message "This user page may meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for speedy deletion as a user page being used only for promotion or publicity, with a username that promotes or implies affiliation with the entity being promoted.

I wanted to know if there is something I did wrong while creating my sandbox. If so I can edit it. If there is something that I do not know but I should.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woochess (talk • contribs) 14:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Woochess and welcome to the Teahouse.

There are a couple of problems here. First, the sandbox draft was entirely promotional, so it qualifies for that speedy deletion nomination. Second, it is now apparent that your username is that of a website, which is not allowed. You must request a name change. You will likely be blocked if you don't.

After your name change, you are welcome to create a new draft, but I suggest that you start it by listing references that establish notability. Once you have those, it is much less likely to be deleted, as long as you also stay away from promotional language. — jmcgnh 15:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Account autoconfirmation

I have a question, my account is 4 days old now as of 11 am July 9 EDT and I have made 10 edits since July 6. How do you know your account has been auto confirmed? Does a notification pop up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs) 15:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Cyclone of Foxes and welcome to the Teahouse.

No, you don't get a notification. You can check your status by clicking on the 'edit count' button at the bottom of your contributions page. — jmcgnh 15:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles

Is it possible to completely redo an article? From scratch of course — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs) 15:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Cyclone of Foxes. Yes, it's possible. Please consider taking up the issue on the article's talk page first, though, to see if other editors with an interest in the article agree with the general idea. If you meet with disagreements, you may be better advised to make piecemeal improvements to the existing article. If there's anything harder than creating a new article from scratch, for a new editor, it would be a complete rewrite of an existing article. — jmcgnh 15:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Trying to Access my old account, and it isnt letting me email myself

Hi,

I am trying to get my old account activated, and when I try to log in it doesn't say the account exists, but then when i try to create it it says it exists, and in the English language. I made 4 edits with it and nothing else, but would like to be able to now. How can I get the best assistance?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.125.197 (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

What is the account's username? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Jolth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.125.197 (talk)

User:Jolth was created at the English Misplaced Pages in 2008 and renamed to User:Jolth~enwiki in 2015. The account has never edited. Another account es:User:Jolth was created at the Spanish Misplaced Pages in 2006 and made four edits there in 2006. The English account was renamed because a unified login system was introduced in 2015, and different languages could no longer have different accounts with the same name. If you are the English user then log in as Jolth~enwiki. If you are the Spanish user then log in as Jolth. The account also works here at the English Misplaced Pages. Both accounts have an email address stored so you can request a new password at Special:PasswordReset or es:Special:PasswordReset. If you have forgotten the password and no nonger have access to mails at the stored email address then the account is lost. We cannot see which address is stored. Since you either have no edits or only four unimportant edits in 2006, you can just create a new account with another name. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Help publishing article

Can Misplaced Pages publish a story for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annaphy (talk • contribs) 18:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Annaphy. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, and therefore we publish encyclopedia articles, not stories. Please read Your first article to better understand what is acceptable here. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:50, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Financial Benefits

Dear Sir,

Does a contributor draw any benefits from his contribution to Misplaced Pages?

Fred Otswong'o — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.90.133.93 (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fred Otswong'o. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project and a large majority of productive editors are volunteers. Paid editing is not forbidden but it is unpopular and strictly regulated. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The disrespect

Pls can you open the edit the shinee pages... First of all Kim jonghyun was never in ss501 pls check and the pic should be changed pls...... And the pic used to introduce us pls can it be changed... To a pic with the 5 members. Thats now what us important... It's the fact that our jjong was mistaken or mixed up with a member of the ss501 band.... Please check and correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.3.180 (talk) 18:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Please make your request at Talk:Shinee or the talk pages of related articles. Because Jonghyun died last December, the lead photo shows the four current members of the band. This has been discussed repeatedly on that talk page over the last seven months. It is likely that the page will need to be semi-protected for some time to come, because persistent fans are often trying to edit against consensus. Cullen Let's discuss it 19:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Trying to move an article from my Sandbox...

But there's no "move" button...not sure why this is the caseSmirkinNYLA (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)SmirkinNYLA

You can not move it because you are not a confirmed or autoconfirmed user. You shouldn't be moving it at all though as you are a paid contributor. You should add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. A neutral editor will come along and assess the article. If it meets our guidelines they will move it. ~ GB fan 19:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Constance Savery categories

I have been a major contributor to a page devoted to English author Constance Savery. After I identified categories applicable to her, I went to those category pages and discovered that she is listed there alphabetically under the letter C rather than the letter S. What do I do to correct this? Anobium625 (talk) 22:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Anobium625 and welcome to the Teahouse.

You fix this by adding a {{DEFAULTSORT}} template to the article. Conventionally, it goes at the top of the list of categories at the bottom of the article. It would look like:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Savery, Constance}}

This records the preferred sorting string with the page so that, when listed on category pages, the sort is based on last name first. — jmcgnh 23:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about WikipediA logo

I've been searching for information about the typography/casing of Misplaced Pages's written logo (rather than the puzzle globe), particularly with respect to the design choice to capitalize the last letter, A. In other words, why "WikipediA" and not "Misplaced Pages"? Is this practice used elsewhere or does it have a history? Any info on the design philosophy as explained by the logo designer?

Thanks in advance for any info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Academc (talk • contribs) 05:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it's WIKIPEDIA, rather than WikipediA. The final A wraps the globe. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Academc. I suggest that you ask this question at User talk:Jimbo Wales. Our founder knows the early days of this project better than almost anyone else, and if he does not have an answer, he can probably point you in the right direction. Pinging Jimbo Wales in case he wants to comment here. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

All Added Text Gone The Next Day

Hello, yesterday I added text below the article already written in English by someone else on Gerlac Peterson. Below that existing text I typed a dotted line and below that my text. Today I returned to it to see if I could add some PDFs to it and saw all I had written yesterday had disappeared. Even though in my message box there is a message congratulating me for my tenth edit, encouraging me to keep at it.

This is not a biggie for me, as I might give Gerlac Peterson a space on a website on the subject he wrote about: meditation and contemplation. But I was just wondering... as after every edit I did tap the Publish changes button and the text appeared. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodewijk Langeweg (talk • contribs) 06:47, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

PS: Just after typing the above I saw something written higher up about texts being reviewed before being published. Might that be the reason I don't see my text at this moment of writing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodewijk Langeweg (talk • contribs) 06:55, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lodewijk Langeweg. Your additions were reverted by another editor with the edit summary: "Removing large, non-biographical additions, which are not written in NPOV, read like an essay, and lack sources. Please add back with appropriate style, content, and sources."

I agree with the editor who reverted your additions. You started out by saying "If I may add a bit more information, grateful to the above author for his work". We never include this type of personal commentary in encyclopedia articles. The prose is collaborative but should read as if written by one person, and should never address various editors in the body of the article. That belongs on the article's talk page, not in the article itself. Later, you stated "God would indeed not want anyone to suffer in hell for Him, let alone forever." We never state religious doctrine in Misplaced Pages's voice. Instead, you should say something like, "According to theologian X, God would . . .", and then you need to provide a reference to a reliable source that verifies that the theologian said that. The biggest of several problems with your additions is that they are unreferenced so they are not verifiable. Please read Referencing for beginners and only add content that summarizes the references that you add. We do not allow original research, and your additions must comply with the neutral point of view. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Redirect Help

Hello, Can someone redirect this Rog Phone into ROG Phone thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.148.166.172 (talk) 09:47, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with Article to be accepted

Hi, OK so we have failed at Misplaced Pages for way too long and we have to get an informational article accepted. Do you help people like us that can't seem to do it right? LOL. Ugh! We need help. There is a method that heals PTSD symptoms (seriously)and people are searching it now more than ever and we need the info out there. Can you help? I can show you are failed article and I am happy to pay someone to help. I am at my wits end with it at this point. Thank You Mary Carlson— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcrown12 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

looks like you are high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.148.166.172 (talk) 10:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

49: Not being helpful there. To MC: if you have failed, it is because the proposed article "Instinctual Trauma Response Model" did not meet Misplaced Pages standards. Look at some of the preceding Teahouse Q&As and you will see general advice on how to create an article. From a hasty Google look at the topic, it may be Misplaced Pages-worthy, so it is not the topic, per se. There are people who promise to get an article published for pay. While not prohibited, this is not a good path to pursue. Any such editor would have to declare their PAID status, and the credibility of the article would be forever suspect. David notMD (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mary Carlson. I'm sorry, but judging from what you have said above, you may be trying to use Misplaced Pages for a purpose that is not allowed. "We need info out there" as a motive for creating a Misplaced Pages article nearly always fails. Misplaced Pages is only interested in topics for which there is already info out there - topics which are notable (in Misplaced Pages's special sense). Writing to "get info out there" is called PROMOTION in Misplaced Pages, and is not allowed, however virtuous the cause. You would need to find several places where people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write in some depth about it in, and been published in reliable places, and base the article almost entirely on what those people have said. Please see Your first article.--ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. That is all very helpful and makes total sense. There are chapters/articles/papers written about the ITR method and I have collected that and can add it to the original article. I am not a writer though I am a fan of the method and I guess that is my enthusiasm about it. I would think anyone writing about something has some enthusiasm about it or they would not waste their time LOL It is very out there and therapists and individuals alike are very interested in more information. The method developed by a psychiatrist and art therapist in Morgantown, WV used for over 40 years in hospitals and clinics. It's noteworthy as are Wikipedias articles and I love it for that! Thanks for you great wisdom! Mary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcrown12 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

You created a draft article here which was deleted a couple of years ago because it had not been edited in over 6 months. You can attempt to retrieve it by following these instructions. There are also versions of what is probably the same text here (a rejected article draft - you might want to look at the comments there to see what is required) and here. It looks like several different users have been pasting the same text into their sandboxes. Are all these accounts yours, or are you working together with other people on the article? --bonadea contributions talk 10:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

For examples of what psychotherapy articles look like, see List of psychotherapies. And please sign your comments here by typing four of ~ at the end. This inserts your sign-in. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok cool. Yes another fan- Shelly Beach, who actually is a writer editing a bit and resubmitted WITHOUT the references I sent her that I found.ugh- you see Dr. lou Tinnin and Linda Gantt were very humble so they weren't pushy about their work AT ALL -so people had to find them through word of mouth but now full agencies and places like Fort Belvoir are using the method and finding superb results, client and clinician. Greatly reducing or COMPLETELY eliminating trauma symptoms fast and efficient. It rocks. and it works. Just sayin...I'm a filmamker by trade. I knew NOTHING about the mental health field and now I see it as a crime against humanity! It needs massive change and people need massive healing. No prob!

Ok so what? I dont get this?

sign your comments here by typing four of ~ at the end. ~ at the end — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcrown12 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, Mjcrown12. Yes, since we are all volunteers, we choose what we work on, and it makes sense for people to write about subjects they are passionate about. The problem comes when their passion overrides Misplaced Pages's policies and procedures. Something which beginners often don't realise is that an article begins with the references (and that means references in reliable published sources which are entirely independent of the subject - not written by the subject, their relatives, friends, employers, employees, associates, publicists, or advocates - and not based on interviews or press releases from any of those people. In the case of a treatment, this would also rule out anything by the people who developed, documented, or pioneered the treatment). As I say, an article starts with these references - if you can't find any, then there cannot be an article, no matter how worthy the subject. If you can, then you can write the article entirely based on what these independent sources say. If that gives you an article with substance, you may then add some uncontroversial factual data from non-independent sources - places, dates, that sort of thing. But on the whole, Misplaced Pages is simply not interested in what the subject and people closely associated with the subject have said or want to say about it.

As for signing - all contributions on a discussion page like this (not in an article!) should be signed, so that readers can easily see who has made the contribution, and can look at their user page and send them messages. Your contributions have been signed afterwards by a bot, but it is preferable to sign your own contributions. I am about to type four tildes (~~~~) and the software will automatically replace them by my signature (including links to my user page and user talk page) and the time and date. --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Mjcrown12: I forgot to mention that there are special considerations for evaluating the reliability of sources on medical subjects. Please see WP:MEDRS. --ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok cool. Thanks for the time and energy you have given me. Yes I think I may have enough to do this with. I will learn how to do it better. What about people? Writing about other people and their life? Mjcrown12 (talk) 20:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Mary. The same applies, except that if the person is living (or recently deceased) the standard for citing is higher: see BLP. Have you read your first article? That has a wealth of useful information. --ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

See the answer to the Needs Help question (below) for a set of guidelines. As already noted, medical related and biography related articles have additional guidelines. David notMD (talk) 21:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

How to create a quick box?

I want to create an article about a Disney's song, just like the song "#REDIRECT Let It Go", I want to make a little box like that detailing the information about the song. Thank you!!! --Mitochondrions (talk) 10:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Mitochondrions Hi, you could check out Template:Infobox song and its associated explanation of the parameters. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 10:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Reference Language

Hi, I know this is probably going to sound like a really dumb question. If you write a page for the English Misplaced Pages do all the references have to be in English?Fluorinated tears burn my eyes (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Fluorinated tears burn my eyes: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That is not a dumb question at all. References do not need to be in English, as long as they are independent reliable sources that can be verified. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

If you want the details, they are at WP:NOTENG. English-speaking sources are preferable if they have the same quality, and it is better to add a translation of the relevant passage in the reference. Tigraan 11:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Astonomy

I would like to update astononmy page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof. Von Tyszka (talk • contribs) 12:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Prof. Von Tyszka, and welcome to the Teahouse. Based on the edits your account has made on Astronomy, this one in particular , you misunderstand Misplaced Pages. You are not supposed to insert your name, point of view or personal thought in Misplaced Pages-articles. WP-articles are meant to summarize what reliably published sources has written on the subject, in proportion to their importance. To make changes to articles that "stick", Help:Editing may be good start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

WHY? Speedy deletion nomination of User:Thetomiwale/sandbox

I created a biography for Tomi Wale (African Millennial) and I got saw a notification for "speedy deletion" because it was said to be a "Promotional material" NO IT WAS NOT. NO, THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION IF I NEED TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING, I WILL PAY GOOGLE ADS OR FACEBOOK ADS FOR THAT.

The intention of creating that biography is to talk about an individual Tomi Wale who runs a company called GetUpInc and is taking up projects on generating insight on the behavioral patterns of African Millennials on the internet. There is nothing strong on the internet on this topic, hence it's importance to draw the attention of the world to a very interesting topic worth discussions. A couple of approved wikipedia pages were referenced in creating the content for it to stick to guidelines and principles of wikipedia.

Links to projects and insights were included in the text to avoid plagiarism or falsehood before sent in for approval. I expected to see areas to correct and work on as a reply NOT DELETION!

Please look into this. All that was typed seems lost right now and even if wikipedia has no interest in discusiions about African Millennials, can I please get my text and move it somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetomiwale (talk • contribs) 13:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thetomiwale: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Having viewed the deleted text, I would agree with the deletion. Misplaced Pages is not for merely telling the world about someone or their work- and you indicate your goal here is to "draw the attention of the world to a very interesting topic". That's promotional. You also state that there is "nothing strong on the internet on this topic"; if that's the case, it cannot have an article on Misplaced Pages at this time. As an encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages is only interested in what independent reliable sources with in depth coverage have chosen to write about a topic, indicating how it meets the relevant notability guidelines, in this case WP:BIO.

I would also ask you if you are or represent Mr. Wale; if you do not, you should change your username. If you do, please read WP:AUTO, the Misplaced Pages policy on autobiographies(which are strongly discouraged). 331dot (talk) 14:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

According to this reply, Misplaced Pages is not a place to learn or study something NEW because what you just called "promotional" contradicts many things I see and read on it. You can also explain how topics and individual profiles here are off being "promotional" when their names are typed in and texts are up about their works, projects, awards won, and personal achievements. The intent of writing about Tomi Wale is not to advertise him in a vain manner but to talk about an individual who is one of the few leading the discussions of African Millennials in Africa through initiatives, publications and organisational consulting in the continent. All links and references included are reliable sources. None is fake, you can look up the references and contact the owners to see if you find anything wrong. He is not for advertising his name, he contributes to the discussions of millennial-centric topics which he has been doing extensive studies and publications in newspapers, editorials and organisational trainings on. The username used was created for easier reconciliation of details.

Anyways, thank you for your answer and your time, really appreciated. I thought the platform was one open to knowledge of new things.

Mr Tomi Wale would explore other channels.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetomiwale (talk • contribs) 16:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thetomiwale: it sounds like you're making a good choice to seek another platform. There are many things Misplaced Pages is good for and quite a few things that Misplaced Pages is NOT. — jmcgnh 16:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thetomiwale: You are quite correct that Misplaced Pages is not for learning about "new" things; Misplaced Pages is for learning about things that have already been extensively written about by independent parties. It is not a place for posting cutting edge information that hasn't yet been written about by uninvolved parties. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Obviously. Perhaps the links included were all wrong too. Do have a good week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetomiwale (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I need to retrieve my content created here. I'm not asking it to be published. Is there a way I can put an email address for it to be mailed to or a page I can request it on? I've tried every option given via the notifications. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetomiwale (talk • contribs) 16:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thetomiwale: enable the email address on your account at Special:Preferences, do not post your email publicly. An administrator can pull up the deleted draft and email it to you. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

You can get the whole lead to the article from any of the pages in this google search. ~ GB fan 17:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Done that. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetomiwale (talk • contribs) 17:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

My additions are being deleted because the include a link by a previous editor of the page that has been on there some time.

I received an explanation for the deletion of my additions to a bibliogrpahy of a living writer, Fred Harrison who has a page on Misplaced Pages. The reason given was the presence of a link to a Youtube channel. However I did not introduce this link. It had already been on the page for some time. My additions must be alerting the bot to the link's existence. How do I get round this? I feel uncertain about deleting someone else's contribution to enable mine to be included. But it is described as an improper external link. It would achieve the same to simply write, "Harrison's Youtube page can be viewed under the term Geophilos" and create no link. Would that do it?

     Also I saw a comment that the bibliography was criticised by another real (I think) person for being too comprehensive. But I can find no description of the rules about writing the bibliographic details. I use bibliographies in my own work and throughness is essential if they are to be tool of any useful academic quality. The bibliography compiler ought not predetermine the scope of the user's interest in a subject or writer, as the effect is to limit their access. Comprehensiveness is therefore essential in bibliography.
    Please advise.

Good Pharisee (talk) 13:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

You have two answers on your talk page at User talk:Good Pharisee. I hope that these help.  Velella    14:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

changing a new editor's name

A family member decided to register in order to support one of the Wikiprojects I am involved with. She created a user name that is basically her name. I need to assist her in changing that to something different. She just became a new user this morning. I have read it is very difficult to change a user name once its established. Please advise MauraWen (talk) 14:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

• @MauraWen: - provided your family member has associated an email address with her user name, Special:GlobalRenameRequest is the place to request a username change across all Wikimedia projects. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 14:48, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Be aware though. There will always be a record of the change from the old name to the new. The absolute safest route is to create a new account - X201 (talk) 15:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, MauraWen. The easiest is for her to simply stop using that account (it will sit there for ever, but if it has done little or nothing in Misplaced Pages, that's not a problem) and create a new one with a pseudonym of her choice. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine, but with her email address attached to the initial user name, wouldn't that cause a problem? MauraWen (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Not as far as I know, MauraWen. Nobody can see that email address, and I don't think there is any check that stops two accounts being associated with the same email address. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine!

Question about Content Removed/Missing from Pages

I have a question about content removed/missing from pages. Where/who do I ask about this? I don’t know if this is the proper place to ask about content on specific pages/subjects so I won’t get to my actual question here, I would just like to be directed to the proper area to ask specific questions. .... Somehow I can't respond but I am looking at WWE wrestler pages & there use to be an “In Wrestling” section that listed “Fishing Holds”, “Signature Holds” & “Theme Music” but all of that is nowhere to be found anymore. Why has it been removed? I am trying to look up some wrestler theme songs & that was my go-to for looking it up but that is impossible to do when they have been removed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCE0:8550:81DD:D18E:1485:114A (talk) 14:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

It could be a number of places. Tell us what happened and then we'll be able to direct you to the best place. - X201 (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

OP added info to original message - You need Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Should_the_"In_wrestling"_section_be_removed_from_professional_wrestling_articles? Where there is a discussion going on about that very thing. - X201 (talk) 16:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Need Help!

Hello there! I am Asad Rehman from Pakistan, I am new here so i need some help about posting articles and especially i figured that Misplaced Pages guidelines are too strict. Is there someone who can help me out....? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadrehma (talk • contribs) 17:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Asadrehma: If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I have an idea for an article

So I had submitted for an article a while back, but it was declined for its lack of notability. I have simplified the article now and though it may be a stub, I believe it still meets the requirements of being a proper Misplaced Pages article. I was wondering how I can get it submitted again.

Vlogerkid555 (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this about Draft:The Brobecks? Maproom (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah, bandcruft. I miss the old days. Guy (Help!) 21:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for leaving this message in the Teahouse, Vlogerkid555. If this message is about the draft described above, it may even end up being deleted from your draft space. The two references you supplied to support the content are not good enough to support the notability of the band. This might be helpful: Misplaced Pages:Notability (music). Not every band gets a Misplaced Pages article and the encyclopedia is not a marketing platform. Despite this 'bad' news, you are invited to contribute content and enjoy adding new information that adds to the sum of knowledge. Best Regards and Good luck. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

The antifa article seems to be disparaging.

Antifa, short for anti-fascist, is a term that Nazis use to disparage people that protest them. It has existed for a long time, but became popularized after the charlottsville protests.

The antifa article here, chooses to pretend that "antifa" only refers to violent groups that oppose fascism.

I think this just plays into Nazi propaganda. It gives right wing nutcases an "out", allowing them to disparage anyone that protests white supremacist views as "antifa" by making the term only refer to the most outrageous and violent opponents of white supremacist viewpoints.

In short, the article should de-emphasize the violent aspects of "antifa" and consider it a blanket term for everyone that opposes white supremacist viewpoints. Misplaced Pages should not help the Nazis along in their propaganda goals.

Its like if we defined the Black Lives Matter movement to only refer to the most ignorant members of the movement, focusing on reparations.

Its as if we defined conservatism to only refer to Nazis, or liberalism to only refer to communists.

We should not help them marginalize those that oppose white supremacy by defining that term to only refer to the most violent and troublesome minority of the antifa movement.

I also suspect that the article does that because someone intended for it to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moses the red (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Moses the red. It would help if you detailed which article you are talking about: our article Antifa is a disambiguation page, which has links to quite a few different articles. I'm guessing that you are talking about Antifa (United States). Whichever article it is, the article's talk page (eg Talk:Antifa (United States)) is the place to bring up your concerns. The article should reflect what mainstream reliable media say about the subject, not any particular person's opinion - if you feel that that is not what it is doing, feel free to open a discussion on the Talk page. Misplaced Pages does not take a stand on any political issue (including how organisations are characterised): it just summarises what the sources say. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you guys help me edit pages properly?

Can you guys help me edit pages properly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arfaan (talk • contribs) 17:47, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Arfaan. Yes, we probably can, but it's hard without knowing what you're having problems with. You might have a look at Help:Editing, and you might find The Misplaced Pages Adventure useful. --ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

footnotes

I am using a collection of essays and have referenced three of them out of the same book. I want to include the chapter names of each one. Do I need to do a separate reference for each of those? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jenhawk777. If the essays have different authors then Template:Cite book supports using the author and chapter fields for the chapter author, the editor and title field for the book editor. With different authors make separate references. But I assume the essays in question are by the same author. I have not found a good way cite chapters in that case. I would suggest just citing the book and pages, and in the text saying Smith says in "Essay on Things" ...... If you don't mind very tiny font you could use {{rp}} like this. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

References

1. Smith (2005), Long Book of Essays

well hello! I am using the cite book template. I think the problem may be the reference name, but I'm unsure. It doesn't seem to matter if I use the author's name and author's article down in the reference windows there, or if I just put it in chapter, it keeps coming up error--reference defined twice--which of course it is! Here's an example: <ref name="Handbook16">{{cite book|editor-last =McKim (ed.)|editor-first=Donald K. |chapter=Biblical interpretation of the 16th and 17th centuries|title=Historical Handbook of Major Biblical Interpreters| year=1998| publisher=InterVarsity Press|location=Downer's Grove|isbn=978 0 83081 452 7}}</ref>{{rp|140,404}}

<ref name="Handbookhistory">{{cite book|editor-last =McKim (ed.)|editor-first=Donald K. |chapter=History of Religions school|title=Historical Handbook of Major Biblical Interpreters| year=1998| publisher=InterVarsity Press|location=Downer's Grove|isbn=978 0 83081 452 7}}</ref>{{rp|88}}

If I don't change the reference name it sends me an error. If I don't have a reference name I can't reuse it. It's tedious and frustrating. It's no wonder so few make FA the first try. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I do see a problem with your references to McKim's Historical Handbook of Major Biblical Interpreters for example. Citing that without the title of the entry is like citing an article in the Encyclopedia Brittanica without giving the name of the article. And each of these entries has its own author who needs to be included. So they need to be separate references. I can help you with that. I'll follow up on your talk page. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Article creation

Hey.

I have edited the page and moved it to the article page.. but it doesn't seem to be published or even under review.. I am confused. Can you pls help?

Link for the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/Umesh_Kumar

Shahhirral (talk) 18:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Shahhirral. The article Umesh Kumar is indeed published - you published it by moving it to mainspace yourself. (The move automatically left a redirect in your sandbox, but the article is there. If your issue is that Google doesn't find it, new articles are normally marked for Google not to index them until they have been patrolled or 90 days have passed). It hasn't been reviewed since you didn't request a review. However, Chrissymad has marked it for Speedy deletion as unambiguous promotion. The Speedy deletion notice tells you how to proceed if you disagree. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Need to work in wikipedia

Hi i just saw the like in wikipedia. I want to incorporate with wikipedia for my earning... is there any options for that.. I have good knowledge in kannada film industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manju1566 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Manju1566. Welcome to our Teahouse. Misplaced Pages welcomes contributions from people with interests in many subjects. However we are all volunteers here, giving our time freely to help create this great encyclopaedia. As well as expecting all editors to have a good command of the English language, we do require anyone who is being paid to edit an article (e.g. they work for an organisation they are writing about) to make a clear declaration, usually on their user page, and/or on the article talk page, of their Conflict of Interest. These requirements are clearly laid out on this page: WP:PAID. good luck with your editing and to come back and ask any other questions if you have difficulties. Oh, and do please sign every talk page post with four tildes (like this: ~~~~) which adds a date and time stamp, and your signature. Regards in the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Manju1566. I agree with Nick Moyes' answer to you, but I think there is something he did not make clear: Misplaced Pages does not pay anybody to write or edit articles, ever. There is no earning to be had that way. The "paid editing" that Nick refers to is where somebody has arranged outside Misplaced Pages to pay somebody else to edit. --ColinFine (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this fair use? Uploading university logo/wordmark image for bottom of infobox

Hi all,

I noticed that many universities have two logo images in their infobox: a circular logo at the top, and a wordmark at the bottom. See the below examples of different types of wordmarks:

1. Beijing Normal University has a simple Chinese-language wordmark in Chinese calligraphy.
2. Peking University has a wordmark combining Chinese calligraphy and the name of the university.
3. Tsinghua University (and Harvard University) have more complex images which combine a circular logo and name.
4. University of Tehran has a fancy graphic wordmark with a color background.

Since wordmarks often form a core part of a university's online identity, I would like to add these types of wordmark images to universities whose infoboxes do not have them. If I were to upload a wordmark image from a university website for one-time use in the infobox, would that be considered fair use? Are all 4 different levels of complexity (examples of each above) acceptable or only the more simple ones? Thank you for your guidance!

~ChiyuZongzi (talk) 19:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

• @ChiyuZongzi: There are multiple considerations here.

First, we care little that wordmarks (...) form a core part of a university's online identity - we are not here to promote universities. However, showing the logo does have encyclopedic value, so we usually do it.

Second, one consideration is whether the logos are copyrighted. "Non-fancy" logos are usually not eligible for copyright. See for instance (from your examples) File:Peking University seal.svg which points to commons:Commons:Threshold_of_originality.

Third, when the logo is copyrighted (probably the most common case), fair use is not enough; Misplaced Pages's mission being to provide free information (as in free speech, not as in free beer), thus we only use non-reusable content when we really need it. The details are at WP:NFCC. Logos pretty much always qualify, as long as they are uploaded in low resolution and used only in the article about the university (NFCC #3), but you need to fill out the non-fair-use rationale when uploading them. See also WP:LOGO.

Also, non-free images should never be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, but only "locally" on en-wp i.e. at Special:Upload. Tigraan 08:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Sections, Subjects, headlines (like this one)

Hello, my name is Oblow14 and I edit football articles, and I would like to know how to add a new section to an article, since I edit on my mobile device I don't know if this feature is available on mobile devices or only computers, since I'm still kinda new. Oblow14 (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Oblow14. As far as I know, there is not a button to add a new section to an article (as opposed to a talk or discussion page). You create a header of level n by putting the text on a line by itself between n equals signs before, and n equals signs after; like this:

===Sample heading===

appears as

Sample heading

(I made it level 3 so that it would appear within the section you created, which is level 2. Never use level 1). Hope that makes sense. --ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine, I've always used level 3 but I never knew about level 1 and 2. 👍🏽 Oblow14 00:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

How to discuss a change (with specifics!)

Hello all,

I’m working on a dissertation that has me digging into some pretty obscure things. One of those things is the term “hard science,” which the page on Hard and soft science attributes to a 1964 article that, it turns out, doesn’t actually use the term (the source that points to this source also doesn’t claim that the 1964 author used the term, just that he re/started a fight over the relative hierarchy in the sciences). The earliest instance I’ve found (through the full OED) is from 1858 (stable link to a free JSTOR copy of the source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/41323682.pdf).

It has been a long time since I tried to edit Misplaced Pages with any seriousness, but I seem to recall a “talk” page or something where you could discuss changes before/without making them on the live page. Is that still a thing? Should I just make the change I think is right and put my reasoning in the notes (or is that considered rude)?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatifeye (talk • contribs) 23:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Whatifeye. If you believe that your change is non-controversial, go ahead and make it. Yes, every Misplaced Pages article has a talk page, which can be reached by clicking a tab at the top of the article in desktop view. In this case, Talk: Hard and soft science is the the proper place to make your argument. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

In mobile view, the Talk tab at the top is replaced by a Talk button below the article.Egmonster (talk) 02:19, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Minor edit not available on mobile?

I've been doing most of my web browsing on my smartphone for nearly a year now. The lack of a "This is a minor edit" box has stopped me from correcting minor errors in Misplaced Pages as I come across them. I am logged in, but as far as I can see neither the Misplaced Pages app nor Misplaced Pages edit pages in my mobile browser include this checkbox, unless I switch to Desktop view. The annoyance of editing in Desktop then changing back, until the next edit, or the friction from putting off the fix until someday when I might have more time to fiddle with this, mean most of the kind of cleanup and quick fixes I used to provide, don't happen anymore. If this problem is deterring other editors too, it seems a high price to pay for a simplified mobile display!

Is there any way to enable or access the "minor edit" checkbox when editing with iOS app or mobile version of Misplaced Pages? Egmonster (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Egmonster. I do the vast majority of my editing using Android smartphones. I am talking about tens of thousands of edits, writing and expanding hundreds of articles, and carrying out various technical tasks as an administrator. I almost always use the fully-functional desktop site on my smartphone, and I suggest that you do the same. You may find my essay on Smartphone editing to be of interest. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I second that, Jim. I edit almost exclusively thru a rather small smartphone. Have yet to find any app either, in house or outside that holds a candle to simply accessing Misplaced Pages via a web browser (Chrome) and selecting the desktop option at the bottom of the page. I keep my watchlist, preselected to desktop, as a shortcut on my phone's screen, and any page I access via it or even with it open in another tab automatically comes up in the desktop version. Altho tasks involving extensive cut and paste are a bit tedious, there is nothing I can do on a desktop or laptop computer that I cannot do on my phone. John from Idegon (talk) 07:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. I'll go for the desktop site from now on when I see something that needs a touch-up.

The essay is indeed interesting, Cullen328, and I've bookmarked it. I'm with you on the perks of mobile computing: no longer am I tied to the chilliest corner of the house, where all the plugins are! I'd like to add my name to the category as an iPhone editor, but I have no experience with categories so I need instructions, I'm afraid. Then, FYI, a little farther down in the essay's Recommendations, there's a sentence that seems cut off, in the Best Practices bullet point. It ends, "editing in wikicode and with the ."

How would you suggest I join with others who request specific improvements from those who code the mobile site and app? Enabling the Minor Edit box could remove a lot of the friction from my and probably others' experience. I'd also like to put in a word for that missing Forward button in the app. Egmonster (talk) 07:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll chime in here with a different perspective. I never designate an edit as minor. The reason for this is that I've seen other editors severely criticized for mismarking an edit as minor when the disgruntled editor thinks it is major. I've even seen this conflict come up at ANI and used against an editor who mismarked an edit as minor. Practically speaking, a minor edit probably is indicated with very few characters removed or added-but not always. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Font size -- not an editing question.

I use Misplaced Pages on an iPad Pro. My vision is not what it was when I was younger. I'd like to know whether there is a way to enlarge the size of the font that appears on the page so as to make reading a bit easier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenej12 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Greenej12. Questions not having to do with editing Misplaced Pages should be asked at the WP:Reference desk. John from Idegon (talk) 03:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Greetings Greenej12. I have the exact same problem. On my laptop I use the Chrome browser and when I need to see the text enlarged I use the keyboard short cut Cntrl+ Editing is easier for me when I use bigger fonts. Good luck with editing and adding to the encyclopedia. If you have other questions, you are invited to come back to the Teahouse. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Taxon box colors?

Hi all, can someone help me understand the rhyme and reason behind the taxon box colors, specifically related to algae? For example, I am trying to write an article an a species of algae, and I was using Macrocystis pyrifera as a model, which has a lime green color box. However the Nereocystis article has a lavender colored box. both articles list different kingdoms; the correct one is chromista, but when i try to use chromista as the kingdom it uses a red outline instead of either. how do the colors work and how do i use the correct ones? the article i'm working on is located here User:Basilosauridae/sandbox/Dictyota binghamiae Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 03:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Basilosauridae and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you'll find all you need at Template:Taxobox colour. --ColinFine (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 13:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Basilosauridae:! I suggest using the automatic taxoboxes and not have to worry about the nitty gritty. Check out Template:Speciesbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). I have already checked that the corresponding taxonomy templates are set up. Thanks for helping out on algae! --Nessie (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Google Graph

can anyone tell me how to get google graph ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul rehman.malik10 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Abdul rehman.malik10. You are probably talking about Google's Knowledge Graph, which are automated summaries of online information about various topics. Although much of this information (though less often the photos) comes from Misplaced Pages articles, Misplaced Pages has no control of this content, and our human editors are not responsible when Google's bots screw up, as they do quite frequently. You get these by using the Google search engine. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating an Article - Is it Worth My Time?

Hello,

I was wondering if it was worth my time publishing an article about Muscle Food Ltd, they are in the online grocery industry and supply food and supplement products. Similar companies like HelloFresh, Myprotein and Gousto have articles written on them - I thought I would raise the question. Thank you kindly,

Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomewilkinson (talk • contribs) 11:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that the articles for Gusto and Myprotein are inadequate, and should either be deleted or radically rewritten. (Gousto has poor referencing, Myprotein has become a very different company.) The article on HelloFresh is a better example of what to aspire to. Goal is neutral point of view (NPOV). If you have any connection whatsoever to Muscle Food Ltd - paid or unpaid - need to understand disclosure requirements. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Tomewilkinson: Adding to what David notMD says above, it's only worth trying to write an article about Muscle Food Ltd if you're confident it will meet our Notability Criteria for Organisations and Companies. In essence, you'd need to ignore own websites, PR statements and advertising gumf, and seek out detailed, in-depth coverage in the media which demonstrates that independent sources have taken note and written about that company. I haven't checked, but somehow I suspect they haven't. As David also says, (and looking at this LinkedIn page I think you would very definitely need to declare your involvement with the company (and thus Conflict of Interest in editing), and you would have to declare that connection according to this policy: WP:PAID. We strongly advise everyone not to try to edit pages on organisations they're associated with, as it usually ends in tears. It's really great that you came here to ask first - thank you- but I do think you would indeed be wasting your time trying to promote your company via Misplaced Pages - there are many other more effective means. Regards from Derbyshire, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

RefList--how to correct spelling errors

In Belle Kinney Slater's page, the refs contain several typos of "Kinney." How can I access the RefList to correct these typos? Thanks & Regards from Nashville, CatonMA2 (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I assume you mean Belle Kinney Scholz. The references that are assembled in the Reflist generally are distributed throughout the article itself. Try editing the article and searching for the misspelling(s). However, note that if the source misspells the name, the reference should faithfully reflect that. General Ization 17:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Protected page Neerali editing

Please help editing protected page ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Neerali&action=edit&section=14 https://en.wikipedia.org/Neerali

Sameershan (talk) 20:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Note I've removed the copy-pasted page contents. The link to the section the user is referring to is here. This inquiry has also been posted at the Help Desk. --HunterM267  20:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Twisted Cyclone

I have a question related to the article on the Twisted Cyclone roller coaster at Six Flags over Georgia. I read the article and it is pitifully short to ther roller coaster articles. I tried to add a new section about its layout. The problem is I don't know how to add a new section in any article. Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs)

Hello, Cyclone of Foxes, welcome to the Teahouse. Adding a new section is actually very simple. You can read more at Help:Sections. But, in source editor, on a new line just type two equals characters, then your section title, followed by two more equals signs. Then just preview to check if it looks OK. In Visual Editor there's a drop down box to let you select the level of the section you want. Does this help? (Oh, and do please remember to sign your posts with four tildes, like this:~~~~. It saves us all a lot of effort in trying to work out who to reply to.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll try that... Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 23:15, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Biography Page

I am still waiting for my account to become fully active. Is there a way to submit something to the editors during this probationary period or do I need to wait? I created this account to post the biography of a well known Harvard Professor. Everything is prepared, just need to upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReichM (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi ReichM, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you mean you are waiting for your account to be autoconfirmed. You can submit a draft at Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

New Article - erased as I was working on it.

Started a new article in Visual Editor. When I took a look at it from the source view option and then went back to Visual Editor, all info was gone. What's the deal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RosyCanfield (talk • contribs) 22:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

How to track an tropical cyclone

I like to project a tropical cyclone and above, as I do a trajectory of a tropical cyclone, a hurricane or a typhoon. Show me a tutorial or something. --Ikeone 00:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikeuno (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ikeuno. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Misplaced Pages. For general knowledge questions, please try the Reference desks. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I need help deleting pictures

There seems to be a problem with the upload routines of this site. I have uploaded two pictures that get corrupted 1/3 to 1/2 of the way through. Here is the URL of one: https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Danny_with_Michael_Coteau.jpg I have tried to delete, I have tried to over write but still these errors persist. Who do I have to beat up to get these images deleted? FredLuchetti (talk) 02:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi FredLuchetti, welcome to the Teahouse. Your uploads are cut off after exactly 5 MB. I have seen it happen for two other users. I posted to commons:Commons:Village pump/Archive/2018/06#Uploads cut off at 5 MB but there were no useful replies. Do you have a link saying "Upload a new version of this file" at the Commons file pages commons:File:Danny with Michael Coteau.jpg and commons:File:DDwithMC.jpg? Can you upload files above 5 MB there? If not then can you upload smaller versions? You may also be able to start uploads above 5 MB at the Upload file link in the left pane. All three affected users appear to have started the upload from a toolbar. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I am still learning all this. It seems rather byzantine to me. Why not just tell me that I hit a 5MB limit instead of letting a picture like that one stand in eternity without any hope of ever seeing a trash can???FredLuchetti (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

What is completely infuriating about this is that I have a really good camera. The minute I take a photo into Photoshop to size it down it strips all the Meta Information out and Wiki does not believe the picture is mine any more. Seriously how does everyone else deal with this?FredLuchetti (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@FredLuchetti: Users can usually upload files up to 100 MB with no problems. I gave you options to try but cannot say what will work for you. Commons files can only be deleted by Commons administrators. I'm an administrator here at the English Misplaced Pages but not at Commons. You may have a "Nominate for deletion" link in the left pane at the Commons file pages but I suggest you try "Upload a new version of this file" first. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Moving a page from sandbox to be publicly visible

Hi, I've created a page in sandbox. Would appreciate if I can be guided on how to get it into a public/open edit space. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyas1004 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Priyas1004, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are two practical things you can do. One is to move the page to main article space yourself; but if you do so, and the consensus is that the article is not satisfactory, it risks being deleted. A safer, but slower, way is to submit it for review: if you add the template {{subst:submit}} (exactly as I've put it, with the double curly brackets) at the top of the text. That will put it in a queue for review, and when a reviewer gets to it, they will either accept it and move it to main article space, or decline it and explain why they think it is not acceptable.

I would strongly advise you not to move it yourself in its current condition; I have not done a full review, but the problems I see with it at present are:

• The main one is a lack of reliable independent sources. You may not use Misplaced Pages itself as a source: being user-edited it is not regarded as reliable (see WP:CIRCULAR). The items you have referenced to Misplaced Pages should however be wikilinked. The other sources you have given do not even mention Chaudhury. These means that you have not given one single source - reliable or not - which support anything you have said about Chaudhury. An article should be based entirely on reliably published information, and mostly on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write about the subject. You need some reliable sources such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers, which talk about Chaudhury himself in some depth, or there cannot be an article (see GNG).
• There is quite a bit of non-neutral language in the draft (see WP:NPOV). No Misplaced Pages article should ever describe a subject, in Misplaced Pages's voice, as "acclaimed", "leading", or "of significance", or say that something "made its mark in the literary world".
• There are some less important matters such as formatting headers, and the fact that there are far too many tables of what he has done. That is not what a Misplaced Pages article should be about: it should be mostly what people have said about him.

My guess is that Chaudhury does meet the requirements for notability (in the special way that Misplaced Pages uses the word), and so there can be an article about him; but that this is not it, and cannot be easily turned into it. To write an article about him, I believe it will be necessary to start again from the beginning. Start by finding places where people who have no connection with him have written about him at some length, and base the article entirely on those.

If you haven't already done so, I recommend you study Your first article. Writing a new Misplaced Pages article is hard: you have got some things right, but unfortunately I think the more important points (reliable sources, and neutral languages) are not the ones you have spent any effort on so far. --ColinFine (talk) 08:59, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Request for new article

Hello, I would like to ask someone to please write an article on the ex-navy diver Saman Kunan who lost his life during the Tham Luang rescue attempt. I was shocked to discover that his name was not even listed in recent deaths. Thanking you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndieFinn888 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

it is a redirection already Accesscrawl (talk) 07:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

NET NEUTRALITY BLACKOUT

We should black out in response to the net neutrality repeal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ (talk • contribs) 07:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ There have been several proposals at Village_pump_(proposals) to put up a banner or similar actions in response to recent net neutrality developments. I think there is a general consensus on en-wiki to avoid advocacy with regards to net neutrality and I think it is too soon since the last proposal to propose it again. — Insertcleverphrasehere 07:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi DÆmÖN MUNDANE++. Misplaced Pages has a long history of remaining neutral in regards to its articles, therefore it would be advisable to remain neutral for controversial topics such as net neutrality. Let's remember that Misplaced Pages is made up of a diverse group of editors who may hold strongly to one opinion or another including such divisive topics such as this one and it would be wise not to alienate those we may disagree with. We're here to build an encyclopedia and work together cohesively, that is our goal. Best wishes. Coryphantha Talk 13:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

What are these ?

Hi Pharaoh of the Wizards, what is the meaning of (copied from the pune district article). Can it be simplified ?

BTW can anyone popover and check my change request at Misplaced PagesAttad M (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Attad M, I'm not Pharaoh of the Wizards, but I took the liberty of answering your edit request. Unfortunately, I had to deny it since, as far as I can see, it's unnecessary to make the change you've suggested; I've provide the reason on Talk:Misplaced Pages. Best, -- ChamithN (talk) 08:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

But it's better grammer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 08:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Attad M: I think the grammar is fine as it is. Could you point out which part you think is wrong? -- ChamithN (talk) 08:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I mean nothing is exactly wrong but the "it's" is redundant and is not concise — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 09:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

1. Sen, Sailendra Nath (1999). Ancient Indian history and civilization (Second ed.). New Delhi: New Age International. pp. 24–25. ISBN 9788122411980.

@Attad M: I disagree: according to the cited source, Misplaced Pages gets money from its own fund drives, which could be elaborated as it's independent of third-party fundraisers. -- ChamithN (talk) 10:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

"It is owned and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization which operates on money it receives from its annual fund drives." V/S "It is owned and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization which operates on money it receives from annual fund drives." How can this be misconstrued as meaning third party fundraisers ? Can some other helpers/moderators also take a look at this and leave their opinion. Btw can somebody answer my first question ?(what does the ref{{ stuff do and what does it mean ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 10:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Attad M: You can open a talk page discussion at Talk: Misplaced Pages (not an edit request) regarding this if you need more input. Also, the "ref stuff" are citations which can be used by readers to verify the accuracy of content on Misplaced Pages. On Misplaced Pages, we have to go by what reliable sources say, not personal analysis. I declined your edit request since this citation said monies it receives from its annual fund drives, as that means, according to the cited source, there's nothing wrong with the original phrasing. Cheers! -- ChamithN (talk) 11:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Attad M: ChamithN is right. The two versions of the text you present are equally correct from a purely grammatical point of view, and while it is good to strive towards a style that's not overly wordy, there is no reason to remove the pronoun "its" for reasons of conciseness. Besides, it does add clarity in that it specifies that these are Misplaced Pages's own fund drives. Regarding your first question, in what way would you like to simplify the reference? The information needs to be there to help the reader find the source, if necessary, and I don't see any redundant info there. But perhaps I misunderstand your question? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about works without official translation

Not all the works has been translated into English as they don't have an official English name. In that case, what name should I write? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariogoods (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mariogoods just use the original title. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Original title? Does it mean if the original title is "我家" (Without original name), name it "Wo Jia" rather than "My home"? (It is a example. I hope you can understand my meaning.) Thank you! Mariogoods (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft article not published yet?

Hi,

I have created a draft article with reference links. I am not able to see that article published in Misplaced Pages?

when will it get published?

I have more references to the article which are in pdf format. how do I submit it?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojshah director (talk • contribs) 10:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Manojshah director, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you are making a very common mistake, in thinking that Misplaced Pages has anything at all to do with promoting yourself. Writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged in Misplaced Pages. If there is an article about you, it should not be written by you (or by anybody associated with you), and it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish in reliable places. At present your draft has only three references, and all of them are based on interviews with you. Put baldly, Misplaced Pages is simply not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have written about it. For further information, beside link I gave above, please look at notability, and at biographies of living people. --ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

hi, I am not self publishing. But i am trying to publish about a living person who is doing a great work. Additionally, i have lot of printed article and references from a reputed sources but they are not available online. how do I reference them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojshah director (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Manojshah director. I'm sorry, I assumed you were Shah, from your username. In that case you should change it: see WP:CHU. If you are in any way connected with Shah you should read WP:COI before editing further about him. Sources don't have to be online, as long as they are published, and you give enough information that a reader can in principle find them (eg through a large library). See referencing for beginners. Please sign your contributions at talk pages like this one, by typing four tildes (~~~~) --ColinFine (talk) 12:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with getting back into Misplaced Pages

I spent some time creating a page Elizabeth Clark (author) with 3 images which I understood were in line with commons rules. In May I received a message saying one was not OK and questioning others. I responded immediately with an email giving permission for the one that was the main cause of complaint. I have emailed permissions-commons repeatedly and received no response. I put in a request for an undeletion that just disappeared off the top of the list. Could somebody please help. Any response would be a step forward.Pogga D (talk) 10:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Pogga D. Commons is a separate project with separate admins and its own Help desk. I suggest you ask at commons:Commons:Help desk. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I want know to that being related to some one who have Misplaced Pages page make other one as notable ??

I want know to that being related to some one who have Misplaced Pages page make other one as notable ?? i just found this article it sounds like Promotional of the singer and son of singer Ustaad Kuldeep Mana does't make it notable- https://en.wikipedia.org/Yudhvir_ManakRiblitoje (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

No, Riblitoje: notability is not inherited (WP:INHERIT). I see somebody has now deleted that article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Kundan Srivastava

Hi,

Greetings from India!

I am Surbhi contributed an article about Kundan Srivastava, an activist and author from India. https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Surbhi20/sandbox

May the same name article was deleted many times, but, this time please look into the article. It has been written by me with best of reliable sources. I would request to administrator to create the same content.

Thanks, Surbhi

Surbhi20 (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

statistics tool on wikiproject activity

Is there a tool available that counts the number of new articles created per month or expanded per month for a specific Wikiproject like WikiProject Archaeology? I know there are a lot of edit counters and information counters on user activity, but I am interested in learning more about the Wikiprojects that I am participating in? I have searched around a bit and cannot find any tools. thx MauraWen (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Kindly help me to understand this issue

i am eager to know that this article https://en.wikipedia.org/Sabar_Koti was nominated for deletion on January 22 2011 and The result of the discussion was delete https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sabar_Koti but why it is still live while it Fails WP:MUSIC & i have doubt on User:GSS who created this may be for paid editor and keeping the page live, because his second page https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Yudhvir_Manak&action=edit&redlink=1 recently deleted due to promotional & non notable. He have also moved may pages & many of them still are non notable https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&action=view&user=GSS&type=move i think he is playing money game behind his white work (contribution) & and miss-using his user rights Act345 (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Getting Started

Hello Teahouse!!

Very new user here but as odd as this sounds, long time reader of Teahouse threads! I know this has been asked time and time again but I couldn't find what I wanted in the archives. I was wondering if one of you lovely admins could link me places to find lists or articles that need typo help, clean up or have promotional language? Those are the edits I feel most confident doing right now and I'm having trouble finding articles that need that help.

Thanks so much Regar29 (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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