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	:::: Caligvla is trying to impose his view only upon the article, aka replace all opinions with his own. His intention is to remove references to Armenia being a European country, and has given the reason that he is "offended" by the notion. This is not proper Misplaced Pages conduct. I believe that the Armenian Genocide occurred, this does not give me the right to go to the article about the Armenian Genocide and remove all references to the position that it did not happen, and then appeal to higher authorities or mediators when my edits are consistently removed. Caligvula himself has said that he is offended by the idea of Armenians being Europeans, so I don't see how merely stating his own self-described behavior is a personal attack.		:::: Caligvla is trying to impose his view only upon the article, aka replace all opinions with his own. His intention is to remove references to Armenia being a European country, and has given the reason that he is "offended" by the notion. This is not proper Misplaced Pages conduct. I believe that the Armenian Genocide occurred, this does not give me the right to go to the article about the Armenian Genocide and remove all references to the position that it did not happen, and then appeal to higher authorities or mediators when my edits are consistently removed. Caligvula himself has said that he is offended by the idea of Armenians being Europeans, so I don't see how merely stating his own self-described behavior is a personal attack.

	::::He has said, and I quote, "''It is an offensive Point of View to include Armenia on the European continent, Armenia is located in Asia. How would you feel if some stranger stuck their picture in your family photo book?''" . How would you feel if somebody said they would be offended to be racially associated with you? Is this not racism? -- ] 16:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)		::::He has said, and I quote verbatim, "''It is an offensive Point of View to include Armenia on the European continent, Armenia is located in Asia. How would you feel if some stranger stuck their picture in your family photo book?''" . How would you feel if somebody said they would be offended to be racially associated with you? Is this not racism? Also, how do you explain these edits that he made to characterize Armenians as hairy, unibrowed murderers? ,, -- ] 16:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

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Armenia in Europe

I am a member of the AMA (Association of Members' Advocates) currently acting on behalf of User:Caligvla, who has named you as one of the participants in the dispute over whether Armenia is in Europe or Asia. Caligvla has listed a number of reference sources classifying Armenia as an Asian country. He claims that the only sources quoted by your side of the dispute are 1.) an obsecure Canadian website that places Armenia in Europe, and a BBC article that mistakenly places Armenia in Europe. Can you please respond to this and give your side of the argument (preferably on my userpage)? Under the AMA principle of audi alteram partem, you have the right to be heard. (NB Copies of this message have been placed on the talkpage of all those who Caligvla has named as participants in the dispute.) Walton monarchist89 09:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the fact that you have provided sources supporting your side of the dispute. As Armenia is a member of the Council of Europe, this indicates that politically they may be considered a part of Europe. It now appears to me that the weight of evidence is roughly equal on both sides. The trouble with the whole Misplaced Pages process is that, in almost all disputes, it is possible to locate sources to support both sides of the argument, which sends us 'back to square one' as far as the whole dispute-resolution process is concerned. The only solution I can see is to edit all the disputed articles to add something along the lines of: Some authorities consider Armenia an Asian country, due to its geographical position and the historical relationship of Armenians to Asian peoples. However, Armenia is part of the Council of Europe, and is now considered part of Europe for some purposes. Armenians themselves disagree about whether their country is Asian or European. Do you agree with this as an acceptable form of phrasing? Walton monarchist89 10:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The previous phrasing of the article was fine. I do not support Caligvula's self-gratifying effort to change the Armenia article to reflect his racial/cultural sensibilities. The quote you are proposing is simply insulting, as I do not see the need to classify Armenia as purely European or purely Asian when the country is geographically and culturally related to both areas. Leave the article as it is, Caligvula is the only one who has problems with it, because he is "offended" by the idea that Armenians could somehow be related to his own racial/cultural background. -- Augustgrahl 14:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep your tone civil. Just because an opinion is in the minority does not mean it is wrong. Work it out focusing on content, and do NOT attack the editor as you just did again. --InShaneee 16:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Caligvla is trying to impose his view only upon the article, aka replace all opinions with his own. His intention is to remove references to Armenia being a European country, and has given the reason that he is "offended" by the notion. This is not proper Misplaced Pages conduct. I believe that the Armenian Genocide occurred, this does not give me the right to go to the article about the Armenian Genocide and remove all references to the position that it did not happen, and then appeal to higher authorities or mediators when my edits are consistently removed. Caligvula himself has said that he is offended by the idea of Armenians being Europeans, so I don't see how merely stating his own self-described behavior is a personal attack.

He has said, and I quote verbatim, "It is an offensive Point of View to include Armenia on the European continent, Armenia is located in Asia. How would you feel if some stranger stuck their picture in your family photo book?" . How would you feel if somebody said they would be offended to be racially associated with you? Is this not racism? Also, how do you explain these edits that he made to characterize Armenians as hairy, unibrowed murderers? ,, -- Augustgrahl 16:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)